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Not true.
I'll be the first to tell you that I can only instruct others in writing songs...the way that I write them.
My songs are as good as however good they are.
I make no claims.

Dom makes the claims.
And I watch those claims with fascination. No apologies. It's this site's main attraction.

And btw, I came in and backed you when Brian took a dumper on your head.
I did so, because you were right.
I expect a birthday card.

happy birthday
AI music's impact on the industry is a complex debate; while it threatens traditional roles by offering cheap content and potential job displacement, it doesn't necessarily "kill" the industry, but rather forces it to adapt and creates opportunities for some artists and a need for transparency, copyright laws, and ethical labeling to differentiate human and artificial creations.
Challenges Posed by AI Music
Job displacement:
AI's ability to generate music quickly and cheaply can replace human composers, sound engineers, and musicians, particularly in commercial music and stock music

I suspect you will never hear another word about Biab, which foresaw years ago.

It has always been and is good for practicing musicians, in fact that's what it was designed for.

But to think you could compose by simply entering chords, and you singing over it.

Dom is just usually right, well ahead of his time too

Biab who?

Tribal castration. perhaps on AI. No more human voices or instruments

Ben the vast majority of the world are still singing their own stuff, writing their own stuff, producing their own stuff and touring with their own stuff.

It just seems like Ai has taken over cause your in the places where it's found.

Ai is not going anywhere, and where writers got their ideas from before ai, pretty much points to theft of other artists.

Most people have no idea what udio suno is,only people who were interested in previous tech, like archaic acid loops, and garage band biab.

No matter who uses ai, they still need to demonstrate why they are good.

If you have a killer song, a killer band a killer voice, a unique sound, that's still preferable to ai.

It's really just a demo maker

If three unoriginal, no talent, agnostic pigs, wallowing in the muck of AI generated mediocrity and plagiarism, is how you define "cordial and friendly" ...

then, "so be it."

Taking refuge in censorship is the same as lying by omission...

I don't believe a damn thing ANY of you have to say.

Could the chiefs start the season 0-2, I'm going to say it the chief dynasty is over

ha ha ha Tonys back

Dom,
Stay on point. Answer the question.

Hey bozo, id like you to shut up

No doubt. But not gonna happen.
You're looking liking someone who's running away from the question, because the only realistic answer reveals you to be a stooge, with no answer.

It is a very telling question. What is your answer?

Hacky, you have never, ever, ever acknowledged any wrong doing on this site, and that presents a problem , for anybody trying to examine your thick head

Yeah yeah Dom,

But the question that you wont face is (paraphrased)

If my abilities and the abilities of my 2 imaginary puppets are so talentless and lacking, then why are we able to kick your azz and keep you songs penned-in and ignored on this site? (as you claim that we are)

Not sure I understand your Yiddish. There's no We, it's Ye and your Muppets.

There's people in this forum who still resent me for my opinion in band in a box for example.

There's only three people who regularly check in, the lurkers assume all is as it always was is.

So between your messaging people and training them how to think, between your deliberate attacks of every song I posted, which ai is ok now, cause you use it .

Because when people used to think you were legit , the vast majority of any intelligence can see what you always were.

Others can't, they cling to yesterday, which is why they read posts 15 years old.

Dom

Predictably none of that makes any real sense. The question is simple. If you are such a much, then why is some talentless nothing like me able to stifle your interaction on this site ( kick your azz) Why can't you just display your prowess and shove any contrarians aside?

There is a realistic answer. But what is your answer?
It ain't yesterday and I was never any big deal here. That's ridiculous.

I need to spell it out? Because the Muppets don't know much about songwriting, first of all.

Secondly, they LIE to you and omit me because they are Your pals.

It's so obvious what songs are better, but they'd rather pretend it's you... three.

I could say Taylor Swift sucks too, it wouldn't mean it's true it if I even believe it, but I'll say it here.. for effect

And you managed to make people believe you regardless of the aggressive , disgusting things you did to me.

Attacking hundreds of my songs, trying to find out about my life, as if that somehow translates to you being better.

You can't have many people who support you any more besides Muppets.

And you can't seem to apologize to anybody.

Hacky, knock off

Who are the Muppets.?
Identify them so they can validate your assertions

Question number two, what disgusting thing did I do to you?

Muppets know w who they are, they all write crap like you.

I told you you attacked 100 songs if mine, indiscriminately, but others are suppose to tip toe through your garbage.

Two you tried to research me, to find out any info that you could use as a weapon here...not because it would work, if there was any, but the fact that you'd let your screws unleash so far as to thinking you could destroy somebody's rep, in order to gain a foothold.here.
say for instance there was something you could use?

You'd really post that info on a public forum cause they think you're a shite writer?

It's just your dumb brain at work, you are never getting the site to work this way.

No Dom.

You demand real world critiques. I and other people critiqued your songs. You are as thin skinned as a 13 year old so you start calling people names every time you don't like what you hear.

Research you? Really?

You hunted down a video of me on my youtube page, posted it on this site and then started demeaning the physical appearance of a 70 year old man.
A presumed adult engaged in textbook cyber-bullying. That's when I knew that you were broken and presumed you to have a pathological dysfunction.

What is it that I did to you?

excuse me, you dint seem totally stupid, but your YouTube channel is there for people to look at.

There was no hunting down,, I clicked and had a roar of a laugh. You looked goofy,band since you had been causing mayhem against me I let you know about it

Ones personal life is different

If I wanted you to have access into my world,id give it to you . It's not relevant.and you admitted doing this,then blamed me and created more scenarios as to why you couldn't find any.

You have consistently tried to harm people for your own benefit.

So troll,
In your mind... if my youtube is public, which it is, that makes it completely legit to link to a video and publicly demean my physical appearance? (yes or no)
EXACTLY what, did I do to you? Link it.

Saying you had weird glasses is not demeaning.

People will say a lot worse if you ever had a wyd audience, and u didn't even diss it there.

Only here .

But contest hacky . Gotta go

Your leaving out a lot. "Mr Rogers" insults and so forth, textbook cyber-bullying. It was a clear and extended effort to humiliate a 70 year old man on the basis of his personal appearance.
But it isn't a surprise that you are trying to downgrade it.. A troll is never going to own his garbage.
And, like I said, when I saw that level of garbage coming from an adult, that was the day that I personally concluded that your dysfunction is likely pathological.

It's time to start assessing some takeaways from this thread that arrive at some beneficial realities.

Takeaway #1
I am not your problem on this site. I and the imaginary "marty puppets" are boogeymen that you have constructed in your mind to explain why people don't give you the recognition that you think that you deserve. The person here that is kicking your azz is named Dom.

1) You create arguments with damn near every poster here picking on their songs, calling them talentless and whatever else. You are pathetically thin skinned at taking criticism and nasty when you receive it. People who come here and get blasted by your version of what is wrong with their efforts, not only pull back from you, but often leave altogether. You are a troll.

Associated Takeaway
People dont come here and post their song in order to take instruction from a troll, with no credentials, with no real world experience, whose songs may not strike them as anything gifted, and who didn't even have songs until AI made it possible to turn scribblings in a shoe box, into something resembling an actual song.

People come here to post their song and be validated for the effort and enthusiasm that they put into their song, possibly feel a sense of belonging to a community of like-minded. They are looking for cordial advice but dont want to have some troll tell them that they have missed-the-mark. If you could get their song on the album of an A-list artist, they and I, would listen to every word you had to say. But you're just a troll who badgers and tries to shove questionable instruction down people's throats. And when they reject it, you insult them with "talentless"...amongst other insults.

And to make matters worse, even when offered opportunities to stop the badgering , you double-down on your intentions to harass.

Having said all of that, I don't think that you can help what you do, so imo, you are not the biggest problem here.

There are other beneficial takeaways from this thread to come, but that's enough for now.

Night night

I just wish mp3 section would grow , instead of leaning on AI , Its not much work on a guitar /vocal. You can study Rick Beato theory classes. Going to a studio for 3 hours is a lost art and robbing people of joy who use AI.

Me Rogers, hilarious gotta write that down

Ben the main reason the site tanked is cause there were no writers left. They all jumped ship to YouTube, Facebook etc.

The remaining people who always had a barrier cause they couldn't perform, or write music,.

Btw that's one of ricks dumbest comments ever. Yeah kearn guitar so that you can write songs.

What if your all thumbs?! And who wants to hear a choppy out of tune guitar.

Takes years of work, and to maybe find out you suck.

Ai is giving this site the last few remaining drops of air.

The focus should be on the song, no matter how you do it,lyrics and melody still make the song what it is

I guess , its not that hard to learn basic guitar , just got put the time in

In fact, it's pretty amazing that them folks never came back despite ai giving them a stage.

I guess when they read Marty type of reviews, pleasant melody,they figure why bother

I don't want to get in a feud of you and Marty , practice 3 hours a day go to a studio

Ben

Marty is not a great guitarist, but it is a very safe bet that he is better than either you or the troll. You need to quit singing the butt hurt song about AI. It is here and only going to get bigger. Your best option is to learn how to best put it to your personal use.

As for the troll, a couple of years ago he was trolling one of MZ threads and ragging on and on about how nothing computer generated would ever replace real people in the generation of music. A short time later that that has been proven to be pathetically shortsighted and now he is claiming to be Mr AI to boot.

Play your guitar, but don't deprive yourself of the enjoyment that you might get from using AI.

Marty

Nope . go to studios , You can play with AI , I'm wasting my time on convincing people play guitar and sing though , your right

Hacky I play sing and write better than you, by a wide margin

If people are not already playing, what would be more interesting, buying a mel bay book, or using AI tech to get instant results

Not everybody takes up an instrument to write, they do it usually to be in a band.

So I don't see learning instrument going anywhere. But you gotta start young

I think drummers survived all tech could throw at them and are still buying drums and causing havoc

No, you do not.

You only talk big and make braggadocius claims, like a oblivious 10-year-old.

You have only one equal for that crap, who has ever posted here.
But whenever you actually put something tangible up, as opposed to arm chair quarterbacking and empty grandiose assertions... the bragging claims don't even start to get backed up in reality.
And the other habitual braggart actually does occasionally put up stuff that is pretty good...which I have seen you troll.

Hacky, nice try appealing to masses.ni have one reason for braggadocio, and that's you.

Marty for God sakes you recently wrote, say whuttt.

Nuff saud

Dom,

You are a child-like troll full of boastful empty claims.
Your opinion about anything is nothing that I am going to take seriously or assume is accurate.

Guys that brag and talk big like you come in two varieties;

#1 Azzhos that actually have the goods to back it up.
#2 Windbags and pretenders that dont got nothing but air coming out their backside.

You have shown nothing that indicates you to be #1.

Hacky all you do is argue, and in the end you close with you being right.

You are the biggest windbag ever in the history of sany forum, with a change of opinion everyday too.

Windbag? Is mr Rogers serious?

This is a good spot for beneficial TAKEAWAY #2.

People with a hobby or an interest seek out websites and forums in the furtherance of that hobby.
I belong to sites and FB pages about the motorcycles that I own, long distance motorcycle travelling, the truck that I own, guitar playing, audio recording, architecture, homebuilding, construction, songwriting.

I argue with no one about anything anywhere...except here.
My FB page stays clear of politics and incendiary topics. I lost contact with a 1st cousin that I have always had affection for, simply for diplomatically stating that I voted for Trump. 8th deadly sin.

People are invited to join various sites that may appeal to them.
This site promises a songwriting community if you join.
People such as me assume that will be accepting and pleasant.
But what people repeatedly find out, after they join, is that trolls are allowed free reign to insult at whim.

They learn that politics and religious topics which I consider to be guaranteed arguments are part of the landscape due to, what I considered to be, a misguided adherence to a misguided and misapplied interpretation of the 1st amendment.

Case in point...this thread.

This thread started as an ask-for-donations. Totally legit endeavor.
But then a non-troll registered a complaint about the trolling and acrimony that goes on here.
Then the owner of the site bashes the non-troll for that.
Then I state that the non-troll has a legit concern.
Then the owner bashes me and references the 1st amendment and "CK."

AND THEN...the trolls get the scent and descend on the pile.
Troll #2 looks for a quick hit and destroy.
Troll #1 rattles on and on.

So, the beneficial takeaway...
If you are a newcomer, expecting a cordial and accepting online community here...this thread is a fairly good representation of what is actually allowed to go on here.

QUESTION: Has the 1st amendment actually been served and maintained here?

Notice the switch of focus

This is the main focus. Always has been. Just needed you to do what you do to set it up.

Hacky, nobody cares. Not enough people who write coming here.

Id of thought that with all the lyrics people we've had here, many would be back with Ai.

I guess we have to face the very real possibility that forums are dead.

Dom
At the current time, there are 4490 guests. That's somebody.
Dom, like the troll-in-the-hole, you aren't smart enough to be able to realize that you ain't that smart.

4490 guests?
Here just to watch 3 lying trolls argue...?

You're an idiot.

And smart is... Assuming those viewers are watching this thread or songs?

And smart is... Assuming those lurkers are anything more than old old forum members with no other ambition but to read something they talked about 14 years ago.


Is smart where we wanna go?

Enter troll #2.

Hey Tony,

Am I?

Well,

You stated that the Russia/Ukraine war was the clear beginning of the biblical end times...so..what does it matter?

Idiot trolls can't speak without lying.... Mr Lide

So? At the beginning of the Ukraine war you didn't come on this website rattling and linking articles (Hal Lindsay et al) about how the war was the beginning of the end times?

And I didn't respond: If WW2, The 3rd Reich and Hitler weren't the end times...this aint?

None of that happened?

This is getting lost...

This is a good spot for beneficial TAKEAWAY #2.

People with a hobby or an interest seek out websites and forums in the furtherance of that hobby.
I belong to sites and FB pages about the motorcycles that I own, long distance motorcycle travelling, the truck that I own, guitar playing, audio recording, architecture, homebuilding, construction, songwriting.

I argue with no one about anything anywhere...except here.
My FB page stays clear of politics and incendiary topics. I lost contact with a 1st cousin that I have always had affection for, simply for diplomatically stating that I voted for Trump. 8th deadly sin.

People are invited to join various sites that may appeal to them.
This site promises a songwriting community if you join.
People such as me assume that will be accepting and pleasant.
But what people repeatedly find out, after they join, is that trolls are allowed free reign to insult at whim.

They learn that politics and religious topics which I consider to be guaranteed arguments are part of the landscape due to, what I considered to be, a misguided adherence to a misguided and misapplied interpretation of the 1st amendment.

Case in point...this thread.

This thread started as an ask-for-donations. Totally legit endeavor.
But then a non-troll registered a complaint about the trolling and acrimony that goes on here.
Then the owner of the site bashes the non-troll for that.
Then I state that the non-troll has a legit concern.
Then the owner bashes me and references the 1st amendment and "CK."

AND THEN...the trolls get the scent and descend on the pile.
Troll #2 looks for a quick hit and destroy.
Troll #1 rattles on and on.

So, the beneficial takeaway...
If you are a newcomer, expecting a cordial and accepting online community here...this thread is a fairly good representation of what is actually allowed to go on here.

QUESTION: Has the 1st amendment actually been served and maintained here?This is a good spot for beneficial TAKEAWAY #2.

People with a hobby or an interest seek out websites and forums in the furtherance of that hobby.
I belong to sites and FB pages about the motorcycles that I own, long distance motorcycle travelling, the truck that I own, guitar playing, audio recording, architecture, homebuilding, construction, songwriting.

I argue with no one about anything anywhere...except here.
My FB page stays clear of politics and incendiary topics. I lost contact with a 1st cousin that I have always had affection for, simply for diplomatically stating that I voted for Trump. 8th deadly sin.

People are invited to join various sites that may appeal to them.
This site promises a songwriting community if you join.
People such as me assume that will be accepting and pleasant.
But what people repeatedly find out, after they join, is that trolls are allowed free reign to insult at whim.

They learn that politics and religious topics which I consider to be guaranteed arguments are part of the landscape due to, what I considered to be, a misguided adherence to a misguided and misapplied interpretation of the 1st amendment.

Case in point...this thread.

This thread started as an ask-for-donations. Totally legit endeavor.
But then a non-troll registered a complaint about the trolling and acrimony that goes on here.
Then the owner of the site bashes the non-troll for that.
Then I state that the non-troll has a legit concern.
Then the owner bashes me and references the 1st amendment and "CK."

AND THEN...the trolls get the scent and descend on the pile.
Troll #2 looks for a quick hit and destroy.
Troll #1 rattles on and on.

So, the beneficial takeaway...
If you are a newcomer, expecting a cordial and accepting online community here...this thread is a fairly good representation of what is actually allowed to go on here.

QUESTION: Has the 1st amendment actually been served and maintained here?

Your words...

My words...