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Everybody wants it for free , Like if you provided a service for free. faith has been left in the hands of robots for a penny

Hey, Ben.
I've reached out to several publishers, and they have been consistent in saying this:

1) the song has to be WRITTEN by humans.
2) the demo needs to sound good if they're gonna pitch it.

I hear that there are some pubs who are resistant to AI demos for either "protect human jobs" or "the sound quality sucks" reasons, but I haven't actually spoken to any of these publishers yet. Hope that helps.
God bless,

Brent

Udio just hit 1 year. I learned about it in September. Suno is MILES past it. It launched Dec 2023. I haven't seen any significant improvement in Udio since Suno went to version 4.0. Especially since they released editing tools that let you get down to 6 seconds. It is still pretty wonky and sometimes will simply NEVER use the right pronunciation of a particular word, but usually if you keep adjusting, it gets it right.

But he did not acknowledge that people can take completed songs and simply use Suno for production. That is a HUGE lapse. He really thinks that it is just a few words, then excellent song.

Suno ABSOLUTELY uses obvious hit songs. I have a special file where I am collecting OBVIOUS rips offs and some are just egregious. He is what WILL happen: Someone uses these sites to write music to their lyrics. A track that sounds great is paired. So far so good. You post it on Spotify and miraculously it becomes a hit. It's not an artist who will sue you, it is the many thousands of OTHER A.I. lyricists who will sue each other because they have the exact same melody and production but different lyrics. It WILL happen because in the roughly 10K songs I have made so far, I have 5 examples where it used the exact same production and variation of a melody on 2 or more of my own songs! In fact, it ripped off my original melody from one of my songs to another of my own songs. Additionally, I have a few more examples where a weel known hit song has randomly been applied to one of my original songs, instead of any variation of the song I uploaded! One is a complete rip off of Fleetwood Mac's Dreams! It is shocking! I believe Suno watches out for lyric infringement but it is obviously churning out stolen music. I have proof. AND it is reusing melodies and production. This is why you MUST always upload and maintain your own melody with your own lyrics or, in the end, you have nothing. I often finish a track, then when the month is nearly over, I burn my unused credits on random versions just to see what it does and with high frequency that is when I am getting these problem tracks. If I have found 11 problems on my 1 account, that spells doom for anyone who isn't using a unique melody and lyrics. I wrote 90% of these songs 30+ years ago with the live video, audio an dates to prove it. That is the ONLY way anyone should consider commercial use of anything off these sites.

Brian,

YOU are teaching AI.
The more you use it, the more it rips YOU off!

Just use session players forget the robots Brian

You missed the whole point Brian , You can't pitch robot songs to publishers. why ? taking human jobs away

Ben,
I doubt that is true for all publishers.
I SUSPECT that if a publisher hears a song that sounds like a hit, the AI recording will become the starting point for the ultimate song that will be adapted to some singer's style.

In addition AI is too big and too undeniable and too impossible to hold back.
All the court stuff will settle out and a way will be figured out for AI to be acceptable to publishers and anyone else.
Too big, Too prolific, Too Good. Too cost effective. Too much money to be made. FOMO.

To me the biggest issue for a viable songwriter are what rights are signed away.
per my understanding, even if you pay SUNO's fee, you retain all rights to the song, but they have the right to promote the song anyway that they see fit without owing you any profits made. That, to me, would be the biggest stumbling block to a publisher getting involved with an AI song.

However, a version can be copyrighted that seemingly would not come under those rights.

It's confusing and probably evolving and open to interpretation at this moment.

As of now Nashville publishers do not except robot songs . It steals human jobs away
If you think I'm wrong , try pitching one. You're another person who gave up recording and fallen prey to robots, singing it praises . Its funny in politics you guys bitch on AI , but in music its alright .

I haven't given up recording, but I have re-vamped a few of my songs on AI. And I really like what it did. AI is better than me.

Another undeniable reality is that AI is taking over. Wishing that not to happen is the same prospect as wishing that the sun won't rise.
For now, N publishers may be turning them down, but I strongly suspect they wont in the not to distant future.

Looking at this AI horizon, that is one of the very few reasons to be glad that I am 72 and not 42.

Marty

its only taken over in your mind , I still record with session players as you should

You should spend WAY more money, Elvis

Yeah I figured you'd be offensive , get around to that , your MO Tony. it's not that much money , At least its not penney AI songs and selling out to robots.

Why do you even care?

I believe in "talking snakes and fairytales..."

Why do you even care I use session players instead of robots ?
Yes you believe in fairytales , I don't . nothing to do with AI songs


ha ha talking snakes and something to do with Caine and Abel in 2025

Fruit basket and the demise of the human race . Insence I guess , We all come from Adam And Mrs Devil.

Why can't AI completely replace human musicians?
Human artists cannot be (completely) replaced by current AI technologies because these technologies lack taste, consciousness, and individuality, and they are unable to produce anything truly new. Additionally, training an AI on 10000 pieces of good music does not guarantee that it will produce good music itself.

What I'm finding is that ai does a great job of taking what's out there and delivering a similar piece, making everybody at basically same level.

But the key is going to be in being original.

I guess it was always the goal to be original.

Think of sting, for example. There is really nobody else who makes music like him. Uncategorizable.

I find I'm doing well at sounding like hundreds of other songs. Lyrics offer a way towards originality. But music style too is going to need to be just a bit different