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I miss all the great music discussions in the past. Many members participated with interesting feedback. "Where have all the JPF members gone". I guess all things pass - especially the good things.

Just an old geezer yearning for the good old days.

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What sparks YOUR creativity/imagination, John?


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What sparks YOUR creativity/imagination, John?


Just remembering all the good people that either left or expired. Sad...

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Yeah', music used to be the best reason to come together... Harmoniously.

Now, everything seems so "anti-cohesive"; As if dysfunction is the goal and point of online interaction...

I guess, ultimately, the irony is, the "WWW" just gave everyone the means and permission to complain. Everyone has the world at their fingertips but nobody knows what to do with it.

All the old bullies and drama queens have become the new digital norm...


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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
I miss all the great music discussions in the past. Many members participated with interesting feedback. "Where have all the JPF members gone". I guess all things pass - especially the good things.

Just an old geezer yearning for the good old days.

John

Most of those still living are on Facebook and I hear from them or they respond to posts there. Most got tired of a couple of posters here who ran them off. In a couple cases I think they were way too sensitive, but for most, the drama caused by a couple soiled all the good that happened for 15+ years. I have gotten a couple to stop back in, but it is slow going. I know Calvin is dealing with his wife's health issues. Obviously he is sorely missed. Some of the best and most entertaining simply passed away. You are the most loved Elder statesmen left on the site John. Thank you for sticking around!


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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
I miss all the great music discussions in the past. Many members participated with interesting feedback. "Where have all the JPF members gone". I guess all things pass - especially the good things.

Just an old geezer yearning for the good old days.

John

Most of those still living are on Facebook and I hear from them or they respond to posts there. Most got tired of a couple of posters here who ran them off. In a couple cases I think they were way too sensitive, but for most, the drama caused by a couple soiled all the good that happened for 15+ years. I have gotten a couple to stop back in, but it is slow going. I know Calvin is dealing with his wife's health issues. Obviously he is sorely missed. Some of the best and most entertaining simply passed away. You are the most loved Elder statesmen left on the site John. Thank you for sticking around!

Thanks Brian! I'm here for the duration or until the Grim Reaper comes for me - ha, ha.

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Everything has an arc and since before 2000 when you (Brian) started that old black and white board where Kaley first brought her cows at the crossroads.

Shayne Vaughan was hosting The Write Stuff that was attracting crossposters from here like Couch, Tink, Bobbie, Corky, Tampa Stan, Graham Henderson, , the aforementioned Kaley Willow....

Here in The North, the Jodi Krangle began The Muse which is still going strong as a place to share music and lyrics and it is operated by a group of long time members.
I like it and have posted there and I see posters from here post there.

If I look back Mike Dunbar had the wickedest sense of humour. Search Dremels and how do you get that guitar pick out of your guitar.
At the first Pineyfest it was my turn to play and Mike came up to play bass with me. Made it a great memory for me

Who is Bob Young? was also there with Tink as a guest Bongette and ?? . I still play his American Stories occasionally.
I've also played his Roll me a long one about finding an ounce of acapulco gold in an old coat pocket. I told them about Bob Young and his career playing arenas with the greats.

He described a musicians career as "Who is Bob Young?" "Get me Bob Young!!" "Get me someone who sounds like Bob Young" and "Who is Bob Young?
He also said that if you play out, play to the back row, meaning take the big picture view of the place

Lots of good people at and memories from the first two Pineyfests. Dan Fenstermacher (Windowman), Anthony Torres, Erical Ellis and I drove into Nashville from Dickson
and were stopped for speeding going, the toured a bit around the admin side of things BMI, ASCAP offices ....made it back in time for dinner and the evenings which were
first some guest speakers in the business, then everybody plays songs, and we had lots of people and guest artists from Nashville and other places, and then when that was finished the partying began

Brian there was a real name writer in the industry who was a speaker once. Remember him?


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Everything has an arc and since before 2000 when you (Brian) started that old black and white board where Kaley first brought her cows at the crossroads.

Shayne Vaughan was hosting The Write Stuff that was attracting crossposters from here like Couch, Tink, Bobbie, Corky, Tampa Stan, Graham Henderson, , the aforementioned Kaley Willow....

Here in The North, the Jodi Krangle began The Muse which is still going strong as a place to share music and lyrics and it is operated by a group of long time members.
I like it and have posted there and I see posters from here post there.

If I look back Mike Dunbar had the wickedest sense of humour. Search Dremels and how do you get that guitar pick out of your guitar.
At the first Pineyfest it was my turn to play and Mike came up to play bass with me. Made it a great memory for me

Who is Bob Young? was also there with Tink as a guest Bongette and ?? . I still play his American Stories occasionally.
I've also played his Roll me a long one about finding an ounce of acapulco gold in an old coat pocket. I told them about Bob Young and his career playing arenas with the greats.

He described a musicians career as "Who is Bob Young?" "Get me Bob Young!!" "Get me someone who sounds like Bob Young" and "Who is Bob Young?
He also said that if you play out, play to the back row, meaning take the big picture view of the place

Lots of good people at and memories from the first two Pineyfests. Dan Fenstermacher (Windowman), Anthony Torres, Erical Ellis and I drove into Nashville from Dickson
and were stopped for speeding going, the toured a bit around the admin side of things BMI, ASCAP offices ....made it back in time for dinner and the evenings which were
first some guest speakers in the business, then everybody plays songs, and we had lots of people and guest artists from Nashville and other places, and then when that was finished the partying began

Brian there was a real name writer in the industry who was a speaker once. Remember him?

The first Pineyfest was built around a set of JPF events where we had tons of writers and Industry Pro's do panels and talk to everyone. I actually encouraged Dawg and Bobbi to do it, and they continued it in later years without JPF involved, so I don't know which version you are referring to. I know one of those Pros (of the 7-8 that were there that were full time pro writers) just somewhat recently passed away, Jimbeau Fisher. He and Marc Barnette were both there. In LA we had tons of stars and industry pros at our events regularly as that chapter was far and away our largest. But unfortunately, post strokes, I don't recall stuff in the same detail I once did. I used to be able to rattle off near full lineups at many hundreds of events all over North America and Europe by simply having someone say the year and city. I don't even know how many showcases and workshops we did, but it was in multiple thousands.

I would normally ask someone who I came across for the year and city we met to zero in on who they were and it was pretty common back then that I could then describe their performance, often recall their songs, style and even lyrics in many cases. I miss having that all in my brain on demand. I am sure age has contributed to the loss, but most of it went in 2010 like a light switch. I could still name entire tour stops for any region/year. Of course the message board once had photos of all the performers playing from 1998-2018 when they deleted our entire site thanks to CD Baby shutting down Hostbaby with only a few hours warning to us. Most people got months, we got less than 17 hours (once I woke up to luckily see the email almost by accident, as I didn't always check it at that stage.

Ours was by far the largest custom site on their entire service as we had our own server and everything was custom. They made us buy our own because we used to get more traffic than the entire rest of Hostbaby combined and were draining them. Derek had asked us to move our site there circa 2000 because he was just starting Hostbaby and wanted us there to attract others, so they hosted us for free as thanks. In the early days that saved us some money so it all worked out. But in their late days they literally forgot about us entirely and one employee we had worked a lot with recalled us at the last second and emailed me or this message board would have been gone too. I only had time to save the message board board, but they promised to put our entire site on a hard drive and send it to me, but they never did. So all those photos and videos and articles, which had 4 backups at Hostbaby (3 of which I supplied then they had their cloud as well) and they pulled the plug on all of them, then ALSO lost our entire server. Yep, after all those years they screwed us over badly.

This was long after Derek had sold. Most people don't know this, but he had asked me to take over CD Baby and to combine JPF with them literally at their (and our) peak. I had agreed to do it, and we were looking for houses in Portland, but by this time he had moved to Europe and due to other circumstances, he had to change. He chose Disc Makers, over Amazon back then. Amazon also offered me a partnership to run their music service, and I often wonder what would have happened in that case. It would have given JPF turbo charged money, access and power, but I am sure there would have been challenges as well. I never offered to sell to JPF, but used to get HUGE offers. But I was never motivated by money. It is just a tool and outside of health issues, I am fine with how it all turned out.

I would have had to walk away a long long time ago had I partnered with any of these people and there's no doubt with the money would have come some unattractive realities. Amazon abandoned their own Super Message board at IMDB which was a huge loss to the film community and no doubt they would have closed any partnership out that we had and long ago deleted everything like they did those millions of articles and discussions.

Brian


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Sounds about right...

Eliminating the competition is certainly the privilege of those who can afford to do so.


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I dropped by this site this AM to make sure that I wasn't being further trolled. Thankfully, I don't appear to have been.
Then I noticed this thread with all this back and forth lamentation about paradise lost.

And it completely baffles me, why something so simple and obvious seems so lost here...
If you guarantee people a tranquil and productive atmosphere where they can maintain a focus on doing something that they love...songwriting...they will return.
On the other hand, if you guarantee people that the atmosphere will foster antagonism, not be productive and more focused on politics and zealotry, than songwriting, they will stay away and look elsewhere.

So simple. So clear.

Admittedly, I broke my promise to stay away to write this. As I have said before, the denial is fascinating. That was the draw in.
I posted, knowing what goes on here. So blast away with insults and name calling. I'll let it go if it doesn't go on and on.

And Brian, If Amazon was really wanting to buy in, you should have taken the money and dealt with the ramifications.

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A meet up in Nashville was discussed by us (Tink, AmigaRia, Anthony Torres) in Detroit during one of your roadshows. Then Bobbie and Dawg got hitched and they were going to have a gathering at their farm ..but insurance problems made it happen at the motel. The only thing that survived was the name Pineyfest, which came from the Piney River than ran by their property. And I remember you encouraging it and attending the first 2, (2001 and 2002 or 2002 and 2003) but I think there may have been only one more after that. And roadshow or Pineyfest, you were ALWAYS encouraging, supportive and brought us all together in the spirit of song and creativity.

And JPF had a world wide following as I recall. Judy Hollier actually came in from Australia...and there was someone from England as well (Nigel Quin???) ...lot's of names down the poster list....

And the writer I was thinking about had all kinds of well known hits to his credit..older gentleman ...but was not a known performer.

Marty, in defence of Brian, the business owners I know are not all about money. Most have a vision of what they want to create. Most also know the importance of the "soft assets" like culture and fit.
So easy to say take the money and deal with whatever comes, but if you see something coming you don't like...why take the money?

Tony, disrupting the competition and the market is what businesses do in order to grow. I could tell you really good stories about that but this is not the place.
So not a privilege, simply an MO.

I will add one more story of these early years and what they mean to me.

My father was hit by a UPS truck while cycling in their Florida gated community and things looked grave. The night I found out I had to wait for my flight down at 6am and I could not sleep. To kill some time I came on line to JPF to speak to "my on line family" . The support and outpouring of love was beyond expectation for me and I still have a printout of all that was said that night and in the weeks thereafter. My father died a week later from his injuries...

So yes, those early years were important to me...


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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Yeah', music used to be the best reason to come together... Harmoniously.

Now, everything seems so "anti-cohesive"; As if dysfunction is the goal and point of online interaction...

I guess, ultimately, the irony is, the "WWW" just gave everyone the means and permission to complain. Everyone has the world at their fingertips but nobody knows what to do with it.

All the old bullies and drama queens have become the new digital norm...

Ahemmn...

What was different about the "global environment" and the way people (HUMAN BEINGS) interacted just 30yrs ago?

What has changed?

30yrs ago, beepers were the latest greatest tech.
Computers, cell phones, and the "WWW" were still in their infancy and considered mostly a voluntary convenience for those who could afford them. However, that convenience quickly became MANDATORY, for everyone, in order to maintain a legitimate identity.

30yrs ago;
-All you needed was a mailbox.
-If you wanted to get involved with your community, you got off your ass and left your house.
-The necessity to give people the benefit of the doubt and interact with kindness and patient understanding was common sense.
-You could walk down any city street with a guitar case and meet a dozen friendly musicians.

Today, without an ISP and cell service, you don't exist.
This current generation considers its digital ID and social media presence to be as imperative as breathing.

Coincidentally, suicide rates have steadily increased since the 1990s...

I wonder what sense of accomplishment AI will instill upon the next generation...?


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
If I look back Mike Dunbar had the wickedest sense of humour. Search Dremels and how do you get that guitar pick out of your guitar.

Hey, that was my thread!


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BB My apologies.....glad it is being resurrected. Classic thread!!


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Marty, in defence of Brian, the business owners I know are not all about money. Most have a vision of what they want to create. Most also know the importance of the "soft assets" like culture and fit.
So easy to say take the money and deal with whatever comes, but if you see something coming you don't like...why take the money?

John, its against my better judgement to answer your question. But I will because I think that you and I can have a discussion without devolving to knuckle-dragger name calling. Having said that, I dont want to go on and on about it. I'm gonna answer and leave it. As a personal favor, please respond and ask no more questions. (typed with a smile)

My answer(s)

#1 JPF.com 2025

#2 Why do intelligent parents urge their children not to zealously follow their "dreams" with no regard for practicalities or the risk of becoming one of the 99% who dont "make-it,"... but rather to develop an employable skill that will support their lives?

#3 Macro Answer---"soft assets" like culture and fit."
Why did Kamala Harris lose an election badly to a "felon," notwithstanding all her talk of "joy?" (culture, emotion and diffuse abstraction)
Or Trudeau get turned out so abruptly?
Because the world has ignored hard realities for many years now...and substituted wishful, chimerical and non-reality thinking, for nuts and bolts practicalities (fundamentals)...and in the past 4 years, the consequences have become clear, not only to the people who recognized them at the outset, but now, also to people whose lives have gone under that bus. (way of thinking)

Have a nice day,
I enjoy your posts. We are different in many ways, but it is more fun to discuss things with people who are different than same. But not here. The trolls are allowed to attack and degrade upon whim. We should find another website.

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K Marty...will keep it short and respond directly to comments

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Absolutely right in hindsight. "At the time" Brian made the right deal if it did not fit his vision, capabilty, audience etc

# Parenting 101 2025
My take is that "dreams" that individuals are passionate about and will risk everything for will drive people forward and whatever a parent may say means little and will do little.
And the younger those dreams begin and the more these people expose themselves to their passions, the better chance they have at success.
So as a parent, we can urge our kids to train for real jobs, we can say establish a base and follow your passion from there....and that will work if that dream does not burn too hot.
But kids with fire in their bellies will get there by continually exposing themselves to their craft, working hard to develop it, finding good mentors and advisors and support....and a healthy dose of luck

#3 Culture and fit
You took it to another place....but IMO the main missing ingredient is critical thinking that allows people to wade through the constant barrage of information, misinformation and brazen lies.


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John,
Once again, I'll throw caution to the wind and engage your comment in this forum.

"critical thinking that allows people to wade through the constant barrage of information, misinformation and brazen lies."

In the US Presidential election, there were only two choices, so critical thinking came into play when contemplating the presidency and policy outcomes and results of one candidate versus the other. They all lie. People have a tendency to trumpet the lies that validate their tribe, and dismiss the ones that don't.

If you were me and a county down on the Texas Southern Border (that had not voted for a Repub in 100 years), the presumed border outcome weighed the heaviest in the binary and only choice available. For you, another concern may have weighed heavier.

OK, please don't respond with anything that entices me to post again. (smiling again)

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I've been a poet, lyricist and songwriter ever since I can remember. I still recall the first poem I wrote for a class project. My 6th grade teacher wanted to record each of us as we showcased our individual talents be it reading poems, lip syncing to our favorite song, showing off a painting, etc. so we could all watch it played back together as a group and offer comments. It was a less-than-receptive experiment, but we all played along and spent the following day praising each other for a job well done.

My poem, "Violence":

Violence is something I don't think is right
Like someone who tries to get someone to fight
Violence is pushing your brother through a glass door
if you ask me, I think violence is a bore
so if you hate violence you can come to my side
because I think violence should go for a ride


Since then I've been a US Army soldier working on tactical IT equipment, a salesman for Radio Shack, a Pizza Hut delivery driver, a software trainer, a Technical Support Specialist and now a Project Manager.
I was around 9 or 10 years old when I first got the bug for writing. I was about 36 when I found JPF and all the wonderful people therein. It's been almost 20 years since then and I still haven't "made it" all this while. But I keep trying. My fire refuses to die and I don't think it ever will. So, culture be damned. I will continue to try in spite of all the negativity and noise.

Because it's when you stop trying that you truly fail.

Thank you, Brian, for keeping this board going through everything you've had to deal with whether professionally, personally, politically, etc.

Keep up the good fight, everyone. I appreciate you all.


Peace,

Dave


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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
I miss all the great music discussions in the past. Many members participated with interesting feedback. "Where have all the JPF members gone". I guess all things pass - especially the good things.

Just an old geezer yearning for the good old days.

John


Originally Posted by David Gill
I've been a poet, lyricist and songwriter ever since I can remember. I still recall the first poem I wrote for a class project. My 6th grade teacher wanted to record each of us as we showcased our individual talents be it reading poems, lip syncing to our favorite song, showing off a painting, etc. so we could all watch it played back together as a group and offer comments. It was a less-than-receptive experiment, but we all played along and spent the following day praising each other for a job well done.

My poem, "Violence":

Violence is something I don't think is right
Like someone who tries to get someone to fight
Violence is pushing your brother through a glass door
if you ask me, I think violence is a bore
so if you hate violence you can come to my side
because I think violence should go for a ride


Since then I've been a US Army soldier working on tactical IT equipment, a salesman for Radio Shack, a Pizza Hut delivery driver, a software trainer, a Technical Support Specialist and now a Project Manager.
I was around 9 or 10 years old when I first got the bug for writing. I was about 36 when I found JPF and all the wonderful people therein. It's been almost 20 years since then and I still haven't "made it" all this while. But I keep trying. My fire refuses to die and I don't think it ever will. So, culture be damned. I will continue to try in spite of all the negativity and noise.

Because it's when you stop trying that you truly fail.

Thank you, Brian, for keeping this board going through everything you've had to deal with whether professionally, personally, politically, etc.

Keep up the good fight, everyone. I appreciate you all.


Peace,

Dave

Since both of my parents are musicians, I've always taken music for granted. Besides, all I've ever accomplished is pissing off liberals lol...

I just don't know how to do it any other way grin


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What made the site great back then was there was a hunger songwriters had. They wanted to post for good or bad, hoping for good.

They weren't all good, but they all had a desire to work on their craft.

I think one forgotten point is that theres not much opportunity for songwriters any more. Especially with ai, anyone can get a decent sounding song

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What I love about your statement is that you joined in 2017 Dom. But I do agree there was a hunger..but it was to expose what we wrote to a community we respected and simply expected fair feedback from.
Real on line relationships based on mutual passion and respect for the craft of writing lyrics and songs.That is what made the site great.

I am not sure there ever was "much opportunity" for people who wanted to write lyrics or songs for a living.
Based on the laws of large numbers, and for many combinations of reasons, only a small percentage of those who aspire actually do so successfully.
Based on the business model, I defer to those in it, like Mark Alan Barnette, to explain how it all works and how it must be navigated just to have a chance to gain access to the lineup.
Based on an insider community model, so much culture and ways of doing things must be learned to operate within a closed community.
(((Reba said her best tip was come prepared, come on time, don't waste anyone else's time))) = professional attitude, courtesy to everyone's time value

Lots of impediments before AI and none of it is going to deter someone with a hunger to creatively express themselves.

And opportunity is what you make it.
Last night I played out ...did 2 originals and closed with "those where the days" as a sing a long.
Lots of fun

Oh...and
Lion, Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs




Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
What made the site great back then was there was a hunger songwriters had. They wanted to post for good or bad, hoping for good.

They weren't all good, but they all had a desire to work on their craft.

I think one forgotten point is that theres not much opportunity for songwriters any more. Especially with ai, anyone can get a decent sounding song


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
What I love about your statement is that you joined in 2017 Dom. But I do agree there was a hunger..but it was to expose what we wrote to a community we respected and simply expected fair feedback from.
Real on line relationships based on mutual passion and respect for the craft of writing lyrics and songs.That is what made the site great.

I am not sure there ever was "much opportunity" for people who wanted to write lyrics or songs for a living.
Based on the laws of large numbers, and for many combinations of reasons, only a small percentage of those who aspire actually do so successfully.
Based on the business model, I defer to those in it, like Mark Alan Barnette, to explain how it all works and how it must be navigated just to have a chance to gain access to the lineup.
Based on an insider community model, so much culture and ways of doing things must be learned to operate within a closed community.
(((Reba said her best tip was come prepared, come on time, don't waste anyone else's time))) = professional attitude, courtesy to everyone's time value

Lots of impediments before AI and none of it is going to deter someone with a hunger to creatively express themselves.

And opportunity is what you make it.
Last night I played out ...did 2 originals and closed with "those where the days" as a sing a long.
Lots of fun

Oh...and
Lion, Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs




Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
What made the site great back then was there was a hunger songwriters had. They wanted to post for good or bad, hoping for good.

They weren't all good, but they all had a desire to work on their craft.

I think one forgotten point is that theres not much opportunity for songwriters any more. Especially with ai, anyone can get a decent sounding song


I was here way before 2017 lol. I think I first signed up around 2008 or so.

True there was never a ton of real opportunity, but there was a perceived sense of opportunity. In a world where even butchers can be songwriters, the
Window of slender possibilty closed.

Today your best shot is to be your own artist, at least nobody can stop you from putting your own music online.

Im sure people are using AI as the artist rather than just the co creator. Which I find weird.

But I think the pure songwriter, especially lyrics only people, are forgotten.

If you know somebody who maybe puts out albums or plays live, and you can manage to convince them to use your lyrics over millions of others, maybe you can at least dent the industry, a real slight dent.

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WRT opportunity. Do you think all the various ways you can now get your music out (Yootube, Vimeo, Soundcloud etc etc etc...) that this may increase the chance of "discovery"
...so for evey door that gets closed, another opens??? Dunno...just an intuitive enquiry

Does lead to your conclusion as to where your best shot lies.

Still, what MAB & Brian preach about building a local base and relationships towards where you want to go....is IMO the best way.
Something some one (may have been MAB) said that stuck with me..."It is not so much who you know as who knows you"

The AI question is tough for me....

In songwriting and such, I have not used it and I don't think I would ever claim ownership of somethinig I instructed a computer to generate on its own.
MS just loaded their Copilot on my computer and urges me to use it to write anything...prose, poetry, lyrics, songs etc and even create pictures.
That to me takes the human out of the entire creation equation. No doubt it will be developed more and used more and used to make money.
But I could never form an attachment to the author like I could with say a Neil Young, Leonard Cohen, Dylan, David Bowie, Paul Simon, "Big Parrot", etc etc
A computer will never get the same respect

ON THE OTHER HAND
I am essentially retired with more time on my hands, amd have taken to creating electronic images. People seem to like them, I have sold some, and I even have stuff for sale in a gallery.
I create the image by composing a "picture" out of Creative Commons licensed images...some of which were generated by AI.
I can freely use these images to create ...but I cannot use any individual image as a trade mark or sell it outright.

Gallery owner suggested I enter a piece in a School of the Arts auction....to gain exposure and "test the price"
The School politely declined because of my methodology...not because it is not valid...but because it was not created by traditional means.
Totally see their point.


And wow Washington took down Detroit handily! On the the Philly and Buffalo deep freezes today.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
ON THE OTHER HAND
I am essentially retired with more time on my hands, amd have taken to creating electronic images. People seem to like them, I have sold some, and I even have stuff for sale in a gallery.
I create the image by composing a "picture" out of Creative Commons licensed images...some of which were generated by AI.
I can freely use these images to create ...but I cannot use any individual image as a trade mark or sell it outright.

Gallery owner suggested I enter a piece in a School of the Arts auction....to gain exposure and "test the price"
The School politely declined because of my methodology...not because it is not valid...but because it was not created by traditional means.
Totally see their point.

John
Curiosity killed the cat, but I had to ask, because you're doing something that's kind of "in-my-neighborhood."
What software(s) do you like to use when executing this?
Can you supply a link that allows me to view it?

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This piece went into a gallery..they posted it on FB
https://www.facebook.com/objectstod...lage-images-on-acrylic/1346378800002705/

Working on getting "listed" in a credible "on line gallery"...you can order from the images

Heavily influenced by Escher and impossible images...some flavour of that in this.


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