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If you trace things back, the ancient civilization of Sumer did most everything first. A lot of stories (flood, raising from the dead etc...) were actually stories from much earlier and can be found in their writings on clay tablets. It appears their thinking spread widely and you can see parallels in the Greek and Roman pantheon with a god of the underworld, sea etc
And yes, those who believe strongly and literally in the Bible have issues with evolution. But facts will catch up and they will see "but yet it moves" ....as Gallilleo said as he was shut up by the powers of the day who defended their view that Earth was the center of the universe while Gallileo actually saw objects in motion in orbits around the Sun.
Me, I just wait for science to uncover more and more of the hard facts...while being able to believe there may be a divine creator in the background and we simply have the story wrong.
The fact I believe I am fallible (I start with the position that with regards to these matters I am wrong) leads me to respect people of all faiths (and no faith) ....as long as they practice the good in it.
I believe all that is good about religion and faith is about our search for God and attempts to lead just and moral lives, while everything bad is due to humanity's imperfections.
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
Evolution and science is interesting to me . I've read all the Bible stories , I see no value in reading them over and over , like I said I'm agnostic . I found one saying funny . If you're successful in the rat race you're still a rat.
The fact I believe I am fallible (I start with the position that with regards to these matters I am wrong) leads me to respect people of all faiths (and no faith) ....as long as they practice the good in it.
That's actually a very Biblical sentiment lol...
I think you guys put far too much "faith" in theories. Common sense dictates that there's no way to prove the validity of carbon dating beyond a few thousand years... Unless someone has invented a time machine that I don't know about. LMAO
We know where apples and oranges come from, we know how they are made, that's a poor analogy.
Really? Then where did the first seeds come from? Did they evolve as well?
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I have been on spiritual quest for understanding for decades, I never get anywhere.
Dom, all you offer is argument for the sake of argument... You argue to disregard logic. Of course you never get anywhere.
Titus 3; 9)But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10)Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11)You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned.
You quickly posted over my last response in other thread ...
I'll post it again
Now you go to insults when you're owned
Your brainwashed Tony you have no ability to see the truth.
If somebody came today and said they were Jesus, second coming, you would not believe them. Most people would not You'd want proof, when there would be none, ud hope you wouldn't ask Hal Lindsay
Yet you believe that a text written thousands of years ago, is completely error free and factual, and it's THE final word on everything.
And refuse to believe anything alternative explanation for why we're fucking here.
There is no point in arguing with you, you're head is a block of cement
You quickly posted over my last response in other thread ...
I'll post it again
Now you go to insults when you're owned
Your brainwashed Tony you have no ability to see the truth.
If somebody came today and said they were Jesus, second coming, you would not believe them. Most people would not You'd want proof, when there would be none, ud hope you wouldn't ask Hal Lindsay
Yet you believe that a text written thousands of years ago, is completely error free and factual, and it's THE final word on everything.
And refuse to believe anything alternative explanation for why we're fucking here.
There is no point in arguing with you, you're head is a block of cement
Lol... I've told you before, Dom, "God's Word is a mirror for the soul. If you're insulted by the truth... that's your problem."
As far as "Jesus' second coming" is concerned...
"Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that He is King of kings and Lord of lords"
You quickly posted over my last response in other thread ...
I'll post it again
Now you go to insults when you're owned
Your brainwashed Tony you have no ability to see the truth.
If somebody came today and said they were Jesus, second coming, you would not believe them. Most people would not You'd want proof, when there would be none, ud hope you wouldn't ask Hal Lindsay
Yet you believe that a text written thousands of years ago, is completely error free and factual, and it's THE final word on everything.
And refuse to believe anything alternative explanation for why we're fucking here.
There is no point in arguing with you, you're head is a block of cement
Lol... I've told you before, Dom, "God's Word is a mirror for the soul. If you're insulted by the truth... that's your problem."
As far as "Jesus' second coming" is concerned...
"Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that He is King of kings and Lord of lords"
... because there will be no doubt.
But you didn't tell me where you saw Gods word. You weren't born knowing it
John V Wrote I believe all that is good about religion and faith is about our search for God and attempts to lead just and moral lives, while everything bad is due to humanity's imperfections.
John, I’m not sure religion/faith is about our search for God...as a born again Christian, by faith, and not by evidence, I believe in the existence of God, as does every other Christian believe in God by faith...it would be great if God revealed himself to mankind but I don’t see any overwhelming evidence of a search for God
As far as attempts to lead moral lives, I don’t see that anywhere....humans, given the removal of laws will immediately reveal their lack of morals....everything bad is about the immorality existing within each of us that is only kept in check by our laws and the consequences when we break them
If by imperfections. You mean evil, I agree..we know right from wrong but, when there are no laws, we invariably exploit our evil side...in the year 2024, that is a truth on which you can depend[i][/i]
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Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
John V Wrote I believe all that is good about religion and faith is about our search for God and attempts to lead just and moral lives, while everything bad is due to humanity's imperfections.
John, I’m not sure religion/faith is about our search for God...as a born again Christian, by faith, and not by evidence, I believe in the existence of God, as does every other Christian believe in God by faith...it would be great if God revealed himself to mankind but I don’t see any overwhelming evidence of a search for God
As far as attempts to lead moral lives, I don’t see that anywhere....humans, given the removal of laws will immediately reveal their lack of morals....everything bad is about the immorality existing within each of us that is only kept in check by our laws and the consequences when we break them
If by imperfections. You mean evil, I agree..we know right from wrong but, when there are no laws, we invariably exploit our evil side...in the year 2024, that is a truth on which you can depend[i][/i]
Well, it's refreshing to see somebody of faith admit that it's faith not fact .
The only question is, what are you basing the faith on. The only answer can be The Bible.
It's not just well gee, let me believe in something.
It's following the same path all Christians do, reading the Bible.
So it's safe to say that the accuracy and validity of the Bible is crucial. That's part of the faith that the Bible is true and accurate.
There's no way to know that, it's faith.
I disagree though about morals, I have several atheist friends and relatives.
I disagree though about morals, I have several atheist friends and relatives.
Loving father's and mother's, good people
I said humans and by that I mean all of us,including atheists, Christians etal, no one is exempt from evil
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
The only question is, what are you basing the faith on. The only answer can be The Bible
On what do you base this assumption?
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
John V Wrote I believe all that is good about religion and faith is about our search for God and attempts to lead just and moral lives, while everything bad is due to humanity's imperfections.
John, I’m not sure religion/faith is about our search for God...as a born again Christian, by faith, and not by evidence, I believe in the existence of God, as does every other Christian believe in God by faith...it would be great if God revealed himself to mankind but I don’t see any overwhelming evidence of a search for God
As far as attempts to lead moral lives, I don’t see that anywhere....humans, given the removal of laws will immediately reveal their lack of morals....everything bad is about the immorality existing within each of us that is only kept in check by our laws and the consequences when we break them
If by imperfections. You mean evil, I agree..we know right from wrong but, when there are no laws, we invariably exploit our evil side...in the year 2024, that is a truth on which you can depend[i][/i]
("2 Thessalonians 2; 5)Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6)And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7)For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8)And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.")
The evidence is all around us...
We all instinctively know how bad things could be, and plainly see how badly things are progressing. Without the Spirit there would be no truth, no reason for law...
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Diminishing Spirit and polarization.. .Please explain what you mean by this....too vague
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
I disagree though about morals, I have several atheist friends and relatives.
Loving father's and mother's, good people
I said humans and by that I mean all of us,including atheists, Christians etal, no one is exempt from evil
But you also said "As far as attempts to lead moral lives, I don’t see that anywhere....humans, given the removal of laws will immediately reveal their lack of morals..
That's not true. Majority of us wake up, go to work, love our families and repeat.
You're correct in saying that all of us are capable of being immoral
And most Christians sin anyway, regardless of moral codes. Even in the prospect of eternal damnation.
Cause they are not really sure if there's anything after this life
We compartmentalize . We ask forgiveness knowing we're going to do the same thing over and over again
But murderers and violent people are simply stuck in bodies that will not allow them to be good, nothing can be done.
That's not true. You're correct in saying that all of us are capable of being immoral
I really don't think we attempt to lead moral lives...what we do is attempt to obey laws, in place, because we know of their consequences...it is in our nature to be immoral
And most Christians sin anyway, regardless of niral codes.[/i]
Not most, every Christian sins even after accepting Christ
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Diminishing Spirit and polarization.. .Please explain what you mean by this....too vague
I'm just a messenger, Steve... As a God fearing man, you should ask the source.
I was asking you to perhaps explain, further, your comment...but if you can't, I understand
Take Tony for example, he's always talking The Bible....
Yes I am aware of his use of Bible passages to make his points....I think that is his comfort zone....others may go down different roads when talking about their faith....I'm OK with that
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
That's not true. You're correct in saying that all of us are capable of being immoral
I really don't think we attempt to lead moral lives...what we do is attempt to obey laws, in place, because we know of their consequences...it is in our nature to be immoral
And most Christians sin anyway, regardless of niral codes.[/i]
Not most, every Christian sins even after accepting Christ
. Well the basics, dont kill, go to prison or hell or both, don't steal , don't covet neighbors wife .which is always a tough one
But they are common sense. No parent ever had to tell their kid " now son, don't be killing people tonight ya hear?
It's been part of mankind for millions of years, we know it already. Occasionally people go off the deep end, but fir me, if you do right thing most of the time, your gonna be ok in my book
I agree that if there we didn't have speed limits and traffic laws it be crazy out there.
But we don't naturally care about stop signs, we have evolved to care about people.
But they are common sense. No parent ever had to tell their kid " now son, don't be killing people tonight ya hear?
But are they common sense because we are moral or because the consequence may be prison or death?
You and I could debate this forever and never resolve the question.
So here's my question....If all the laws were gone, what would be the reaction of the people?
I throw that out to everyone...how moral are we????
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
You guys spend more time on politics and religion than music
Hey Ben....I've been writing for more than 50 years, written probably 200 + lyrics, recorded and produced more than 50 songs and had three of them make it to air...I thought I'd just take a break....I still have another 20 + songs I'm working on but at 77 I'm mot sure I'm gonna make it but I'm gonna try....LOLOL
Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
But they are common sense. No parent ever had to tell their kid " now son, don't be killing people tonight ya hear?
But are they common sense because we are moral or because the consequence may be prison or death?
You and I could debate this forever and never resolve the question.
So here's my question....If all the laws were gone, what would be the reaction of the people?
I throw that out to everyone...how moral are we????
Probably could be a separate thread.
My dad used to say laws and locks were made for honest people.
I know if they waived the speed laws, it would be chaos. Nobody would drive 55 when they were late for work.
Stealing, looting is already big, so bo doubt if nothing was illegal it be chaos
Even cheating or murder or most wrong doings, we feel the consequences.
When the Bible says it 5000 years ago, I dont think it would matter either way
God needs to show up again.
I think you're seeing my point....It's the laws that keep us moral not a compass inside us and over time even the most moral of us would join in the chaos just to stay alive Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
But they are common sense. No parent ever had to tell their kid " now son, don't be killing people tonight ya hear?
But are they common sense because we are moral or because the consequence may be prison or death?
You and I could debate this forever and never resolve the question.
So here's my question....If all the laws were gone, what would be the reaction of the people?
I throw that out to everyone...how moral are we????
Probably could be a separate thread.
My dad used to say laws and locks were made for honest people.
I know if they waived the speed laws, it would be chaos. Nobody would drive 55 when they were late for work.
Stealing, looting is already big, so bo doubt if nothing was illegal it be chaos
Even cheating or murder or most wrong doings, we feel the consequences.
When the Bible says it 5000 years ago, I dont think it would matter either way
God needs to show up again.
I think you're seeing my point....It's the laws that keep us moral not a compass inside us and over time even the most moral of us would join in the chaos just to stay alive Steve
Yeah, but I don't think murder falls in that category. We don't not kill because it's the law.
But it's more than just laws. If every person was convinced of God and Heaven, we wouldn't need laws.
Matt 5; 17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matt 10; 32“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35For I have come to turn
“ ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ c
37“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.
We all instinctively know how bad things could be, and plainly see how badly things are progressing. Without the Spirit there would be no truth, no reason for law...
Yeah, but I don't think murder falls in that category. We don't not kill because it's the law.
I think murder might be the leader of the pack...think about this....the healthcare CEO suspect is being called a hero by many on social media and some on line detectives wouldn't help the police on tracking him down...they thought it was justified
But it's more than just laws. If every person was convinced of God and Heaven, we wouldn't need laws.
I don't think this fits with reality....1.8 billion+ Christians already are convinced of God and heaven...they still break the law
Here's another question....remove the laws and what happens to the police? Are they needed anymore....how about courts, judges, lawyers etc??
Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
Yeah, but I don't think murder falls in that category. We don't not kill because it's the law.
I think murder might be the leader of the pack...think about this....the healthcare CEO suspect is being called a hero by many on social media and some on line detectives wouldn't help the police on tracking him down...they thought it was justified
But it's more than just laws. If every person was convinced of God and Heaven, we wouldn't need laws.
I don't think this fits with reality....1.8 billion+ Christians already are convinced of God and heaven...they still break the law
Here's another question....remove the laws and what happens to the police? Are they needed anymore....how about courts, judges, lawyers etc??
Steve
Well by convinced I mean, without a doubt. When were living on earth, without God being here, it's easy to lose sight of God.
And youd have to ask are they really convinced or just offering lip service
I think it's the doubt that throws us off.
If Jesus was here in front of us, and there was no doubt in anybody's mind it was Him, sin goes out the window, nothing else matters then .
Yeah, I don't get the hero tag on the ceo shooting . That comes closer to terrorism, where what's right is dependent or where you stand
Q; Are the 10 Commandments truly "laws", or are they examples of how the Spirit leads us to forgiveness?
This is a really interesting question...without the 10 Commandments and other directives, what would be the purpose of forgiveness? And aren't they really (directives in the Bible) the framework on which our laws have been written? Only our consequences are different than God's....
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
If Jesus was here in front of us, and there was no doubt in anybody's mind it was Him, sin goes out the window, nothing else matters then
You might be right but I think Vegas would still be laying down odds
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
On here ? Well no you have to promote, you get heard . Well its better doing songs , then wasting my time on religion and politics. You just do AI songs , You can't promote them .
Whatever on the math . I'm not a scientist . fact of the matter, evolution makes more common sense than fairytales from books going back thousands of years. You'd think if a boat carried all the animals , wed find a boat . All we got are stories written by men. its a pointless discussion , either you believe or don't .
Alot of Old Testament was designed to try and explain the unexplainable. I don't buy into the old testament much. If it was possible to part the Red Sea, then it was possible to build an ark, and not have it be found.i stick with Jesus.
But if you worried about, the site, stop attacking people using AI, yours is s no better
Q; Are the 10 Commandments truly "laws", or are they examples of how the Spirit leads us to forgiveness?
This is a really interesting question...without the 10 Commandments and other directives, what would be the purpose of forgiveness? And aren't they really (directives in the Bible) the framework on which our laws have been written? Only our consequences are different than God's....
Bingo! Even the 10 Commandments are prophetic...
Matt 5; "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Gal 3; "10)For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11)Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12)The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13)Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14)He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit."
Even if it were possible for a man to live perfectly by the "law", he still could not stand justified before God. The law cannot save you... only the Spirit can.
John 15; "26)When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27)And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning."
Are we on fairytales or AI ? I use AI as tool I've proven that many times. You already said you quit being an artist , So I guess argue if theres a God or not , I'm agnostic . Who knows. What ever works for a person is fine with me . Bickering there's a God or not is kind of nuts . Let me stop recording and waste my time if God Exists , I imagine if God is real , he'd say stay busy. Say fuk a lot like Tony lol
You are not alone but just remember that bible quote about casting your pearls.
Lol... you mean "pearls before swine"?
You should know by now, Everett...
("Matt 10; 26“So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, *shout from the rooftops*.")
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