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He's 100% right too. People would listen to anything she wants doesn't need to sell just to sell.

And yes prosody is a lost art.

But alot of rock music is sad ideas set to happy music.

The theory is, you make people feel better when you present sad themes over happy music.

So maybe Beato ain't so right....

https://youtube.com/shorts/JvzTzfz9SSM?si=8inY_CPu9hJUsuL-

All he ever does is ...talk about old bands all the time , and new music sucks . But has a good tools on theory books to get . it's 2025 , it's not 1975 anymore . Yes Yes the Beatles blah blah blah .

Beato is still pretty current in his knowledge, he's still an active producer, and way more hip than most anyone not at the cutting edge of pro producing (and he can do that to, for the right price). His takes on current music is true for the most part. Most corporate stuff on the charts is smoke and mirrors. No one is voluntarily listening to that music as streaming overall for new music is terrible. They are comparing bad to bad, not comparing what is most popular genre wise (it's all 80s stuff) or by genre, where outside Pop it is mostly oldies.


So where is Beato wrong?

I don't agree , there is some killer new music , He's lost in the 70ties . Yes he's knowledgeable on a lot of topics .
He did do one vid I liked . Nashville players laying down a song live , They might had some overdubs . I don't remember .
He's highly intelligent , no doubt about that . well he has a sense of humor , I'd probably like the guy , you're lost in the 70ties .

Bad to Bad ? I guess Brian, I'm much too busy to watch all his vids . It seems like a rally on most vids , New artists suck .

There was was one vid , talking to some new players , guitar.. bass etc , cooking players
So not every vid is... you suck


Swift net worth a billion, Oh yeah she sucks lol

As long as he is not doing so for business reasons, to stir controversy and clicks, all is good.

The man is smart, knowledgeable and likeable.

He also hit on a gig that has given him enormous privilege in influence because of his music industry knowledge.

Back when Lady Gaga emerged there was a huge controversy right here at JPF about would she last?

No matter what was said back then Lady Gaga became a grammy, Oscar and more winner and her performance in A Star is Born was so emotionally on.

So it really does not matter what Rick says. Taylor Swift will do Taylor Swift

He is smart , He was bitching on Don Henley lol,sensualism I guess. He did say most YouTubers do it for the music , not big bucks . He's rather amusing on a lot of topics. Yelling at Don Henly lol

Do you equate money with quality? Fast food makes the most money. So does horribly processed food. It is fed in troughs to people either too poor to afford better, or too busy to care about what they eat. It makes money but it isn't even "good" let alone great. Music is the same. If it is on the radio, the radio mindlessly goes on. If they build a classic "cult of personality" around someone in the public media space, that person will be popular. I think she had some excellent Pop music in her early year, but now she has aged, the songs aren't as cute and she's now sinking into the predictable abyss, (or mimicking he past successes). She has the A+ list level people to do everything for her and you have to wonder how much is her and how much is the machine? Whoever it is, I don't find her stuff as pleasing as it once was. That happens with fast food, processed food, etc. Diminishing returns.

I just don't think all new music is garbage like Rick is always saying . Taylor and A + players ? you bet Brian . You can't always compare today's music with 70ties bands , apples and grapes . Does Taylor use AI assist ? maybe Brian . its smooth music that's for sure .I'm not really sure if she's a accomplished guitar player .She could be just a great lyricist and use the A+ plus boys to bring out the flavors . To much info on the net , I don't follow her much .

There has ALWAYS been ample great music being made off the charts. I believe I have heard more music by more artists in more genres than anyone else living or dead. I listen to every song that makes it past round 1 (of 5 rounds) in every awards cycle we have done and that is 100s of thousands of songs in over 100 different genres. I hear a lot of artists on their way up and then back down as well as excellent stuff that never makes it anywhere. On the other hand, the CHARTS (which is usually what Beato is ranting about) are the weakest in history. For every decent track, there are 5 that are unfinished, over produced and simply derivative of what the computers say should be a hit. I am hearing it repeated with the A.I. stuff, but frankly most of the A.I. stuff I hear on the charts on Suno.com are better and certainly more interesting than the charts. Swift lost her edge a while ago. She used to excel at the little girl wronged trope. It doesn't work for a nearly middle aged billionaire.

With Taylor Swift it is music plus entertainment experience and connection with millions upon millions of fans.

I see her as an entertainer who wields her craft supremely well and has done so for some time.

I see her doing so well into the future for as long as she wants and is able to do it.

Anyone who argues minutea in her career or character simply spouts meaningless conversation.

Taylor Swift will be Taylor Swift no matter what anyone says..

You think AI robots beats live players ? Well ok .

I don't, different does not mean better, or worse really, just means it's different.

I can tell if something is AI, I personally don't care how somebody produces something, what matters is if it's great or not.

I haven't heard anything by Ai that rivals Eleanor Rigby, hotel California, stairway to heaven. Piano man, you shook me all night long , born to run.

I see it as alternative music, and think it could be categorized as such.

Common man you're like Rick Beato , A lot of good music . So robots using robots is better than an artist singing it ? You're like Brian . Young people never heard of Eleanor Rigby, hotel California, stairway to heaven. Piano man. they've heard of Taylor Swift songs , she's everywhere .

Both of you and Brian do not want to spend (or waste like you say ) on session players and sing it
so your both pushing robots songs.

You're not Reading or not comprehending. Brian and I said nothing similar other than we don't mind Ai

The point was not about young people either.

If I haven't heard anything as good as that stuff and thousands of other songs I could mention, what am I saying,? That ai is not as good.

Until Ai surpassed the best we have organically, then it's not better.

Anyway, do you think the world would fall apart, if it knew you were using AI? Lol

Seems to me you'd have the same amount of listeners.

Me and Japov maybe?

I think the artist dies matter for certain types of music, mainly singer songwriter, where half the value of a singer songwriter is them.

Pop , top 40, never mattered and never will

On this site ? Well that's nothing you have to promote on platforms , FB , YT . Spotify , ect ect . Not this site . As the artist not as a robot .I'm wasting my time , Your not moving forward as an artist. You think its a waste of time , So you guys waste your time on Jesus and the worlds ending . Dooms day AI

You made the point on Beatle songs,stairway to heaven, ect . I made the point young people don't care . it's 2025 not 1970

Your point supports the use of AI, more than it refutes me.

Young people don't care? So why would they care if you use AI?

Still not understanding me I mention old songs cause they are still the best we have

Still not understanding me I mention old songs cause they are still the best we have. No there not , only to old people , Ask a young person , You'll get new songs are the best we got , Youtube keeps wearing out Beatles stories , Kids are bored to death , they could careless . AI and robots , give me a break .

But ya gotta point on young people and robots , cuz it's the new fad . So they probably like them and pictures of fairies .

They can't know better songs cause they ain't exposed to it. All they know is post Malone. When they go on idol or the voice they still sing classics.

But why on earth would kids care about your music?

Shew he finally stopped moving the goal posts

My music ? they don't ...I'm old ,My Fan base is old. Kids might get it with a new twist to say , Let it be , I agree F.

How did young people get put on some petasil anyway ? all ages like music
So what your 22 .

Cause at one time , it was kids who bought records and music. So if you could appeal to youth, you could make money.

Now, music is free, but it's still kids who listen to new music. Then they get old and only listen to music that was relevant at their time.

Spotify and YouTube do have every kind of music for all, but the music that gets promoted is what majority hear.

There will always be kids who reject the music of their day, usually musicians realize right away what's great same for songwriters.

now it's a free fir all, but only the rare bigs get most of the attention

Its all free and I pay to promote , I'm better off being a day -trader
I get love and hate mail on songs , you get tuff -skinned and delete the haters
Never argue with fools is the lesson , on just delete.

LOL I see it now

The Artist Formerly Known as Robot

Yes related to Prince

Really,? The police , queen, the Beatles still top Spotify artists . Today's music sucks, that's the problem

I don't get Nirvana, but none of this music is under 30 years old


I think I've made my point...older songs are better, and still the best we have as humans. That's what AI has to beat in order to convince me it's better than humans....

Bullshit , a bunch of old guys lost in the past , music is just as good today> this happens every generation on music . This will happen till the world ends . A bunch of old guys crying, sitting in mansions yearning for 1965 .Don't tell me... Ringo is going to tell us another story on the Beatles . Every comment on Ricks site is a bunch of old musicians crying about new music. I stop following him .

You can't say bullshit when presented with facts.

It's not old people listening to the police or Beatles , people old enough to have grown up with the Beatles, you are not listening to them on Spotify, they have records if they listen at all or oldies radio

I wasn't around when The Beatles hit, and i missed their career. They wrote better songs than fall out boy or Post Malone, it's non sense to think otherwise

The only reason it seems like the old man syndrome, is cause young people are not exposed to old music, and they go with whats popular at the time

There are classic rock stations, but the term alone makes them think dint bother.

If the Beatles were suddenly played on top 40 stations, it would start all over again.

The sound is old sounding compared to today, but the music and songs are better.

Kids will be kids and do what's cool, that's a different argument than what is better music.

Bach may be the greatest composer of all time, kids are not going to listen to it, but at one time before the 50:s kids listened to same music their parents listened to... In classic times that meant classical, ragtime, big band.

50's created the teenager

Thats your take on it . Songs today are just as good as whatever your talking about on artists , that's my take on it . Except AI songs cuz they're robots , Thats not the artist it's a robot . Rick is right about AI songs.

But Brian the owner of this site loves AI songs , cuz of the cost which is nothing . Got a point , why pay session players ? But you're not the artist with a warbly voice and Brian says , So sell out to AI , why not every person on this site has . Well 5 people out of 32k that never post that is .

Well back to Taylor selling out arenas and net worth over a billion . Yeah she sucks Beato , She even sings her own songs , Wow what a concept .

Your confusing fame and marketability with songwriting and musicianship.

She is talented but nobody puts out great songs all the time, most artists lose their chops over time.
But she could sing n the bathtub and millions would buy it.

Nothing sucks when you have obsessed fans.
Great songwriting is different than selling

Yes I'm confused on selling out arenas and net worth over a billion , Her fans must think she sucks along with you and Beato . She's a great songwriter . Thats an outstanding hook with commercial songwriting language . just as good as anything 50- years ago by grandpa . But were never going to agree on about anything .You love AI .It makes you lazy and not singing them or any musicianship . You put in lyrics and wa la . no hours of practice , just push a button . I'm sure Taylor works very hard to get a billion dollars .

But she's one in a billion. Even massive stars haven't had her success.

Not something you can calculate and copy.

I like her, doesn't mean she can't write a crap song

Crap song , taken in 500k on a show lol. I wish. Your like Beato lost in that past , But they had great songs back then , just like today.

If you released the same song you wouldn't have 500 k listeners

Me ? of course not . She's 34 and beautiful lol. How much money did they use to promote it ? Who knows .

There's good songs and good artists out there.

There's just not songs like any Beatles song, hotel California, stairway to heaven, Bohemian Rhapsody.

Those are once I'm s lifetime songs, nothing out today is.

So all new music is doomed and will never beat the songs you mentioned. Bach folks back then said the same thing . Thats just your generations music . If you asked a biased kid right now , he or she would come up with a different band and 3 different songs relevant to 2025 . ok I asked a 35-year old.. my wife
1/ One- Direction
2/Air -supply
3/ West -life .... All bands .

So you could be right , Her cousin at 27 -years old said Air-supply . She just rattled off Green Day.. the band , again you could be right , old bands beat new ones and songs .

I think it's all subjective to what person on what song or band is the best . From 16- years old to 90 -years old .

Yes alot of it is subjective, but there's objectivity too.

The songs are shallower, based on beat and sound, not meant to last.

Not knowing anything about music, anybody could tell bohemian Rhapsody is a fuller experience than Taylor Swift shake it off.

Even if they'd rather listen to Taylor.

That's objectivity

I'm not big fan of Taylor now really ,Its all flash and dancers . I guy standing up with an acoustic is more entertaining to me , or girl whatever . But man a billion bucks, damn .

Taylor is lip synching to autotuned pre recorded tracks. She has made 2 billion doing that. I believe most of her music is created using A.I. and Ghostwriters. She is entirely a fabricated rich girl pushing elite agendas. She may be the least deserving icon in our lifetimes. At least Elvis and Michael Jackson could sing, and Michael could write, and dance as well. Prince could do it all and run circles around these lightweights. Her "streams" are as fake as her lip synching (which has been 100% proven by the way, and it wasn't remotely hard to do). Of course these old acts like Don Henley ALSO are lip synching. At least Aerosmith had the class to quit when Tyler couldn't sing anymore. They easily could have completed their Farewell tour using the same tech as the others. The only truly classy singers doing it for REAL every night that I am aware of are Ann Wilson, John Fogerty and Springsteen (and I haven't vetted Bruce, but his track record makes it unlikely he is cheating and I am not even a fan, but I respect his talent).

Swift is a symptom of a lost culture. It has always had prefabbed artists, but she has perfected the fakery.

Well don't sugar coat it Brian. Lost generation is a bit much lol

Her talent lies in different areas. Not necessarily musical or vocally, she was able to rope in millions of young girls. They related and still relate to her in such a big way.

I think she was a good writer early in her career her age and demographic
Her first album I feel was authentic and love story to me is still her best song.

I think she's going to last forever, her fans are gonna grow up with her, and will always be there, just not as fanatical.

But that's part of writing, it's not just story telling, and great lines and craft. It's knowing your audience, and having a unique way of speaking to them.

I'll never forget that labor day when she came to Jersey. Our governor said she's bigger than the Beatles. Let's not get stupid Murphy. Lolllll

You guys forget she started in Nashville with guidance of Liz Rose. (A prominent hit-writer) . I think she was 14-years old. It's only later she switched to pop and glamour . Her dad is a stock-broker , or was . Maybe that's where she got her business sense , from her dad.

Her parents moved from some other state to bring Taylor to Nashville . So her parents have a lot to do with her success . Whatever you feel on her talent .

Wow Brian...that is bold allegation ....lip synching her concerts to auto tuned pre recorded tracks...and she has perfected fakery.

Are we talking about the same Taylor Swift.? I expect there are things that happen behind the scenes in live shows that help the music, but to say she is simply Mini Vanilli Swift is to me and take away her immense skills as a singer, songwriter, business person, and to slag her as a cultural icon etc is in my opinion very small and unexpected from you....

Side note, almost every Superbowl act had either lip sync or sang to backing tracks.

Prince Paul McCartney and Bruce all refused.

They encourage artists to do it cause if stadium acoustics and the nightmare of pulling off such a massive show.

It's not exactly never been discussed before

https://michaelmacherablog.com/2024/06/25/does-taylor-swift-fake-live-performances/

https://medium.com/@DevinR127/we-need-to-talk-about-taylor-swift-for-a-moment-349905905110

Where are the iconic acts that people will come out for in droves even 50 years from now? Taylor can obviously lip synch to fake tracks forever. Name anyone else? Will Swift's repetitive motifs of girl is wronged by bad boys hold up when she is in her 50s and beyond? With this audience, it might. But who else? I have never seen an era with so few talents to grab onto. Of course now that the industry is being revealed for what it is (blackmail and manipulation by organized crime and a partnership with globalist interests pushing government propaganda) I think the door is wide open for A.I. to become king faster than we think. People already follow fake bands and even fake humans on social media. They are finding that in a lot of these supposedly popular "influencers" that as much as 90% of their "followers" and comments are 100% bots. Very little of what we see on line is real. Now, one of the last supposedly "human" artforms, live performance, is being faked. I won't be surprised when Holographic Bands start touring, with licensed bands like Kiss (the first) doing hologram concerts with new content based on their catalog, look, style and merchandise, and people buying tickets to see it like Taylor Swift. Why not? There really isn't a difference.

We will be lucky if people in the near future bother to make art at all. I think is is most likely going to be music on demand for each of us based on our relationship with our personal A.I. That tech will learn so much about us, IT will make the art we consume, for an audience of 1 most of the time. Sure, we may share with family or friends, but when tech gives you EXACTLY what YOU want without other humans involved, that will dominate. So lost generation or simply last generation applies. You can't maintain a culture without fellow humans leading the way. We will have a culture of monopolies, between yourself and yourself.

Taylor is a FAKE!

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Humans sing naturally flat and sharp, it doesn't take that kind of detective work. She lip syncs.

But then comes the question do her fans care? They aren't fans cause of her overwhelming musical gifts, they are more fans of HER than her music.

It's what she represents to them.

I'm not a big fan, I like her first album, but I guess to make a star this big you have to do alot of things out of the ordinary.

But where is the improv? Not singing the same exact way ever night, one, u can get that on the album, two, no need to go twice.

It takes musicianship to be able to reinvent songs night by night.

Her success is a different thing.

Who is Taylor Swift? O_o

Well I am not joining those who look for a reason to diss her success.

Whatever she may be doing on tour, night after night, is working for her as an entertainer, a singer song writer, someone with a significant catalogue who is capitalizing on her success and celebrity.

Good on her to be able to do so. Why begrudge? Says more about you than TS

Cause we were talking about talent. I don't care if she makes more than Musk, I don't hate her for that.

And don't hate her at all

2 billion eh ? . I think Musk is at 185 billion

Saying if she were to

Question, when she plays in foreign countries and make millions of dollars in each country, does she have to pay a tax to each country she plays in.???

Believe so yes. You pay what we call state tax, to wherever you are. I don't think you pay national tax.

But all of what you make gotta pay tax here on it

Probably USA taxes and where ever state she lives in , I'm sure promoters are all LLC's. You can bet she's a LLC. 25% seems about right , hard to say with her lawyers

Well she would be subject to Canadian income taxes through whatever vehicle she contracts to appear that engages in her activity here....unless there is a USA CAN tax treaty provision (dunno). Provinces participate with economic spinoffs locally in sales and its own citizens increased income taxes but not sure they get that "vehicle's" income taxes. Canada of course has part (5%) of that national sales tax and fingers in other tax pots.

Could also be somehow creatively more favourably structured even...dunno really how she is taxed.

Professional athetes definitely face a complex structure with border crossings but they do not worry about anything but their game as business managers do the heavy lifting.

She has 8 houses a couple in Manhattan, I'm sure her accountants are busy with Ka-ching

I dog anyone who fakes what they are doing. I accept that dance numbers require lip synching. But when the ballads and non dance songs are also lip synched, and the tracks are ALSO autotuned, she may as well be a robot girl on tour. Of course these rabid fans paid to see her perform at movie theaters, so this is the next logical step. This paves the way for A.I. holograms performing next. It already happened I think in Japan where there are multiple fake pop stars that are 100% A.I. They will soon make it so these A.I. performers have direct personal conversations with their fans, imagine little girls chatting up A.I. Taylor Swift in their bedrooms as A.I. Taylor gives them advice on boys and clothes and what to buy, who to vote for, who to trust, what reality is, and who might be dangerous to their Elite power. It is all coming.