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This post is old "story" song that Rob helped me re-work with using SUNO.
Much thanks to Rob.
The song is the story of the destruction of a relationship by cocaine.


SUNO AI CREATED VERSIONS of "Gone By Dawn"

FAVORITE ITERATION (VERSION) SO FAR.
**240815 AI SUNO Martin's first crack at AI - male lead vocal
https://soundcloud.com/sunset-poet-of-texas/gone-by-dawn-2

GONE BY DAWN
Lyrics by Martin Lide
Musical production by Rob Baitinger

V1
It was girl's night out.
They were laughing in a bar.
Drinkin' tequila from little glass jars
And doin' cocaine out by the cars.

V2
A man walked in about a quarter passed ten.
Lit that bar with blue eyes and a grin
She couldn't...
take her eyes off him

V3
He walked right up like he owned her dress.
Said of all these girls, you're the pretti-est.
I jus' wanna talk for a while...
I guess.

V4
Her friends looked over like she struck new oil.
Smiled at her like she met a royal.
She said...
for a while I guess.

V5
Then at closin' time in a shiverin' mist
She was sayin' good bye with quiverin' lips
He leaned in close.
And stole a warm wet kiss.

Interlude
She felt the mist come down.
Felt a warm strong body in a cold gray town.
She felt the chill leave the air.

She felt her passions grow
Felt her feelings swell like she'd never known.
She pulled still closer next to him.

V6
Her eyes opened up at the crack of dawn
Fell on a ceiling that looked all wrong.
She jumped outa bed and said...
What have I done?!

V7
She raced across town to another world.
To a man who loved her and a baby girl.
Screamin' at the windshield...
What have I done?!

V8
She flew in the kitchen
All flushed with fear.
He said "Don't bother lying.
Truth beat you here.
One of your good-time buddies laid it out real clear.

V9
She knew that man.
She knew that tone.
She knew that night...
She'd lost her home.

She crashed to the floor like a giant stone.


CHORUS
She fell down upon her knees, and she screamed out in pain.
I'm beggin' you please, let me explain.
It was nothin' to me, just the cocaine.
Swear on my life, I'll never do it again.

Tears were streamin' down her face. drowning her in shame.
That night would not erase, it would never be the same
Beggin him to stay, she said don't leave me this way.
It's all a bad dream, it'll fade away.


TURNAROUND
He said everything we had,
that we built our love on,
was gone, by dawn.

Every future kiss,
All the love w're gonna miss,
was gone, by dawn.

V10
Alone in an apartment, on a dreary day
She was starin' out the window, and across the way.
At nothing...there was nothin' to see.

V11
One thought filled her tortured mind.
If she could only get herself back in time
and undo...a cold and misty night.[size:17pt][/size][color:#FF6666][/color]

Marty,
your link (Michael's version) doesn't work.

I'll fix it.

Rob, It should work now. I made the track public.
Lemme know if it does not open up for you.

Marty

Marty,
I'm glad you like this version because I've used up all my credits for today. Btw, this was the very first version Suno came up with. When I read your lines I thought, oh man, this is not going to work. I'm absolutely fascinated what these AI tools can do. The song is great. Very well-written. The story is awesome. The female voice is a perfect fit ... I think.
If you PM me your email address I can send you the MP3 and show you the metatags I used and the prompts.

All the best - Robert

The link works now. Michael's version is so cool too. It shows how strong these song lyrics are. You guys did a great job.

Thanks Rob.

I've listened to it a few times now.
The female tone is a drug.

sunset.poet.texas@gmail.com

Thank you Rob and Marty for digging this out and posting. I referenced it in my AI exploration thread, Lyric forum 3. I assume your permissions , but let me know if not.
Bill

Thanks Bill.
I like your idea of putting AIs down in their own section. I guess that we are the only ones who favor that.
I've put up two songs in the last couple of days. One took months...guitars and vox were live people. Spent hours syncing drum hits and assembling drum fills. overlaying strings, piano. I was happy with the result. I thought that Jaime's solo was truly great.

Rob, using AI, turned some of my lyrics into a song by modeling a beautiful female vocal, coupled it with a very complimentary musical background and the song sounds great to me. Audio-heroin.

He shared that it took (8) one to two word prompts and three minutes. Robert is an intelligent man who chose well targeted prompts and he has musical sensibilitles. But turning my lyrics into a radio-ready song or at least a substantial demo, with appx 12-15 guiding words and three minutes is not song writing. It is lyric writing (maybe) and then prompting a machine to create a work of music (song). There is clearly no question that this beautiful rendition of my lyrics exists only because a machine was available to create it.

That is no slam on Rob. He created 3 versions of the song, male, female, duet. I plan to try to work up the male version for live performances, but I will always know that the existence and power of a machine made all three happen.

Considering that my (Rob's) new beautiful female rendition took only 3 minutes, the ease of doing that and the true authorship by a machine.... should be sequestered to it's own section on these song sites.

Actual performances should be elsewhere.

Marty

You lost that argument already, it doesn't matter how long it takes.

If you shovel with a shovel and take 5 hours, and someone else shovels with a snowblower in half hour.

Is he supposed to be special cause he took 5 hours.?

Dom

first off...you edited out the personal and demeaning insult about me and my songwriting. Why?

I don't have an argument. I have reality. I don't need to believe a delusion.

You desperately need to believe that you are a songwriter and Udio is one of your tools, akin to a guitar or piano.
Udio is actually the highly skilled musician (musical entity) and you are the scrub that feeds it odd lyrics about unrelatable things and a few prompts...which it in turn, creates an actual song that feeds your delusion.

As for me, I have a live, impressive guitarist, much better than me, one year less that 1/2 my age, who likes my writing, playing, singing and production... and wants to do more with me. He also plays keyboards. We are starting a new song already built around one of his riffs.

Who do I listen to? Someone with very very good musical skills or an argumentative scrub named Dom on the internet...who tells me over and over that I am talentless and physically ugly?

Rhetorical question.

Notwithstanding the last post, I plan to use AI a lot more. I was knocked-out by how much I liked that female version of my own song.
But, I'll keep my head in reality. When I am working up other lyrics of mine, and greatly enjoying how they sound in their new clothes, I will never lose sight of the fact that a machine is creating and dressing the renditions.

Yet, I would prefer to put my live versions in one section and my AIs in another.
On FB, I just put them up.

Martin

yeah not really the member numbers (yet) here at JPF to segregate the two groups. Its not really a simple dichotomy anyway. With varying skill sets the logistic separations are difficult, not to mention the emotional complexities. Being about 10 or so active members, its easier to keep for/against/on the fence folk variants separate. And just argue. But we do ok here in this MP3 forum. I always considered this forum a "finished song" place , and leave critique of any kind to minimum. Perhaps it will turn that way with more participants. Me, I still post over in Lyric Forum. Fair game to expect harsher critiques there. I think Elvis always starts his projects there.

But these are two volatile groups. Ai is pissing lots of people off. Its a wonder we all get along so well here.
Bill

Agreed mostly.
Except that when Rob sent me AI of my own song at light speed, and I liked it miles better than my own version, I can't say that I hate AI. I dont. I plan to use it more, but as an aid to other performed songs mostly and as an end in itself. For me, it really boils down to live-voice versus modeled-machine-voice.

I can't help but feeling that those two origins should be split out on a creative site.

I can play some guitar and do lofi recordings. My music ear is so-so, but I'm improving. I realized in prompting Suno and Udio....I accept simplier arrangements and music. Those are in my skill set to reproduce. The latest lyric I pumped in.....I've spent all afternoon playing it on my guitar and just having a great time!

But the chords were just D, A, and G....wow so easy. my skill set . my fun. Using the software my way. (breaks into a Frank Sinatre song lol)
Bill

Couldn't help but chuckle...
The song that I just posted employs 4 chords that I just found out were common to two songs that I love.

Still Got The Blues by Gary Moore
My Way by Frank Sinatra.

Both songs have more chords and are more complex than mine, But I love the sound of the same 4 chords that occur in the open chord versions of both, and built my song around just those.

So I guess you and I are having a My Way moment.

I didn't want to bring rob down with you

And you opinion of a scrub and me about as accurate as you thinking your shite is good.

Pov is everything.

Dom

Rob is well aware of your support for him. And Rob is an intelligent man with a clear mind.
I'm not going to tell the guitarist that a troll said my $hit was no good.
You've have had your little say. Why dont you cut this off here and drop in on another thread?

Marty,
I fully agree with you ... we need separate sections here for AI and traditional productions. I have said this several of times and brought forward the same arguments as you. I do both studio recordings and AI productions. I've produced around 20 AI songs in just 2 weeks. In a studio that would have taken me at least 9 months to do that. There is a big difference between the two and my personal opinion is that this should be taken into account on this site. On some of the German songwriting forums they have dedicated AI sections (AI music, lyrics, artwork, mixing & mastering, etc.).

All the best - Robert

People do not agree it was ruled out g to

If you had stayed out if my songs maybe, but not now

Who is "people"?

Brian, he owns the site. He asked if people wanted a separate section, they didn't

Cause Marty's shite is not better than anything done by Ai

Fdem,
stop spreading fake news! You and DeeJ56 were the only ones against a separate AI section. More people here supported separate sections. Why don't you just stop taking over other people's thread. You're not giving anybody here any added value. Do you have anything to say about the song?

So why isn't there a separate forum? He didn't get the votes in favor of it.

Marty thinks his song should sit up there undisturbed for months.

That's not how sites work, traffic fuels sites

Dom
Let's "poof" this.

I doubt that anyone who frequents this site or stops by is buying anything that you have to sell about Rob or me or you.

I expressed an opinion about AI made songs today because Rob took me "under-the-hood" for the first time.
There was not much there. Basically just pulling the lever on a slot machine after googling "the odds."

On the machine side, it's a phenomena. Incomprehensible and wondrous. Part of a larger phenomena.
For sensible people who like to write and want to hear their poems converted to lyrics, it's an enjoyable pass time.
For sensible teens who like to write and want to hear their poems converted to lyrics, it's big fun.
For nonsensical teens and scrubs, it's a way to become an instant songwriter celebrity... in their own mind.

Poof

The site and its sections isnt up to me and I dont stay awake at night pondering it. I listen to podcasts and fall easily asleep.

So why did you try to sneak in your push for having a separate forum here, to try to sway people viewing

It's not wanted,

Bull$hit traffic originating in arguments on a song site harbingers death of the site.

If you would go away or at least stay in the RANT with Tony, some good things might happen, that might grow enough mass to attract people to a productive atmosphere where decent work was going on. Very enriching people like Mike Z would not go away. Today, something productive and positive evolved between me and Rob.

Dont wreck it.

Sneak in? I dont expect to change anything.
Personally, I dont think that the people who run this site expect it to last much longer.
Is Dom the dictator telling me that I can't express an opinion on my own thread, based upon new knowledge of AI.

Then stop trying to draw attention to yourself by talking out loud here


"Say Rob B, how would you like to do my song, let's ger Mike Z , in it too"

The three of us together?; fuhgetta about it .

Your songs are not good enough to have people following your agenda.

And as per usual , "let's stop this... I don't want to go down a rabbit hole."

You could have easily write him privately.

You have an agenda

Fascination.

Me, Rob, Tony, Ben, Steve, Tom, Gavin....Dom, you drop down on all of these people and more, singularly, and create rabbit holes and pick at scabs to fight over.
One post you are Rob's guardian angel and protector. In the next, you are slamming him...in this thread.

I have an agenda? Coming from you?

Do the poof thing here. Poofy poof.
Deprive of us of your presence once again. We are not worthy of it.

Your very transparent everything you do is calculated ,to get what you want.

You're on to me.
Have you ever wondered why you are so keen at tuning into the lesser motives of others?

And I told you that I like to eat live bats for lunch already.

Get what I want?
Even if AIs were segregated from performed tunes, that aint winning the Battle of Waterloo.
If it dont happen, oh well. If it did, life remains the same.


Let's poof this.

My first attempt at an unassisted AI, performing as a lyricist cowriting with the band Suno. Same song
Like some of it, dont like some of it.

https://soundcloud.com/sunset-poet-...ium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

Sounds like Dierks Bentley

240816 AI SUNO female lead vocal

https://soundcloud.com/sunset-poet-of-texas/240816-ai-gone-by-dawn

It's not structured well. The melody is monotonous, on both versions of it.

It's not just about sound it's about having a good song.

And not about pressing buttons.

The sweat and fire you put into writing , us what gives the music it's character.

Same melodic verse all the way through, that's why it stagnates

Marty, you're getting good at this. I personally like the female voice better. If you use the expand function you can finish the song.
I read that if you sign up with Suno you can get the instrumental and vocals on separate tracks. That would allow you to replace the AI voice with your own.

Take care - Robert

Thanks for the tips Rob.
If I can reach this vocal, which is doubtful, Jaime and I are going to have to work up a "wine-bar" version on 2 guitars using this or some other AI as a template.
My wife completely agrees with you, that the subject matter should be sung by a female. My response to her..."I'm not gender fluid, so I dont have that option."

SUNO is addictive. I'm gonna come at this song until I feel like I have a favorite version. This thread on JPF will be my data bank.
Thanks for starting me out.

Have a good morning and day.

Marty

I know all of that. But I only get a few credits from SUNO each day and for now I will spend them on this song.

This thread is my personal AI song lab.
I'm not going to sweat the details until it is something that I can use or it is getting into good enough shape to head for the finish line.
I also want to become more familiar with prompting SUNO. (the actual song creator) This song is day one of that process.

On my favorite version here, I like the vocal tone and the jump to the chorus. For present purposes, that is good enough progress.

(the machine decided what would be the chorus. My metatag called for the chorus to be elsewhere. The machine turned my designated verse into a chorus. I liked the machine's call better than mine...scary implications)

One last point...
imo...the lyrics and the music both contribute to the fire and character.
One could compare lyrics to kindling and music to a match.
The lyrics are an unheard poem... until the music sets them afire...as lyrics.

I like the way you said that. So true.

that's true under normal circumstances, but here, your contribution is your lyric, and the lyric is triggering the music, so if the lyric stinks, so too will the music.

the better the concept, the better interpretation of the music by ai.

no argument that music lays the foundation, it is often the most important thing.

not here where your entering lyrics to trigger music

Fdem,
I have to disagree with you here. I've entered some rotten lyrics and Suno gave me some awesome results.
Have you ever tried getting a good instrumental track from one of these AI tools? That works to perfection ... with no lyrics at all.
But if you've made other experiences then your lyrics might have been even worse than mine.

Totally right.
In SUNO, all you have to prompt is "write a song about my dead cat" and something coherent lyrically and musically will come back.
It is amazing.

The machine overcalled me on my own metatags... and I agreed with it.

I've had songs where during an intro it wouldn't play just music, it riffed its own lyrics, and they sucked.

when I say "bad" I don't just mean content wise, but also structure, how well it fits a genre, how ,uch "pro" it seems, because its going to use all that in making the music.

we herd Marty's song with all verses, it wasn't good, one reason is the structure,

its basing all on the past, so the closer the lyric is to something good that came before, the better its going to respond

and again sound, is not song
e

in todays world every thing sounds good

and the lyric can be very simple to be effective, but understanding why it works is part of craft.

this is similar to learning guitar hero, it has nothing to do with craft, only before you start doing it, then it has everything to do with craft

Dom
It is a story song in the vein of THE ROAD GOES ON FOREVER.
If you had seen that song here for the first time here, you would denounce it for this and that reason, guaranteed. But it is Robert Earl Keen's marquis song.

You know how to write songs (actually lyrics) the way you write them. You dont have a broad understanding of songwriting.
The structure of Gone By Dawn is fine for what it is. It tells a complete and compelling story and has some good lines.

I am not a good singer. I am not a musician or a guitarist but a fairly competent "guitar player." I am a struggling sound engineer, but I can get accepted by Spotify. I know ONLY how to write MY songs. I know all of those things to be reality.

And I also know that I am better than you at every one of them. If you had my skills you would think that you were King Kong music man.
You already think that you are, simply because you can prompt Udio. You think that the magnificent capacity of AI is actually an extention of your capacity.

It is not. You are just the guy pulling on a slot machine to see what comes out. The slot machine has nothing to do with you.

And as I stated elsewhere, your arguments with virtually all regulars are making people hate your music. Very likely people that you dont even know. And that matters to you, much more than me. Let up on it.

I have a solid enough understanding of songwriting, to be able to inject my own thoughts, beliefs, feelings into it.

I guarantee you I know more than you do,that's evident by the lyrics them selves

Writing to the hook, story telling, relatability, I write interesting lyrics, I write to the sound of them.

We're all hit and miss I write alot of shite too

But anybody who writes lyrics well knows that I at least have a good understanding of how to do that.

Compared to most here who dint know what they're doing.

But even not knowing what you're doing you can still write good stuff if it has impact overall

And udio came into my life a few months ago, I've been writing songs since 14. So I am capable of doing it many ways

SUNO is fun and addictive.
I bought a monthly plan for $10 and cranked out 12 versions of the song in an hour.
Never really got what I wanted, but this rap-ish version showed up without me asking for it.
I guess the robot read the repetitive verses and put a rap spin on them.
Male voice on it. Would have liked a female better.

https://soundcloud.com/sunset-poet-of-texas/240816-843-gbd

As for you Dom...whatever.

Marty,
wow, we can hear that you're having lots of fun. I look at Suno as being a kind of songwriter tool that you use to get ideas and get inspired. When I write a song I sometimes get stuck looking for a good verse, pre-chorus or bridge melody (the chorus is what I normally start with) and these AI tools can be very helpful.

But yes, this stuff is so fun and addictive that you can't resist to hear your lyrics being the starting point of all the different songs/productions in various genres. I used one lyric to generate 5 different songs in different genres and I honestly can't say which one is the best because they all sound awesome.

I wish you good luck with your future songwriting with or without AI. It was a total pleasure working with you and getting to know you better. Let us stay in touch in the future.

All the best - Robert

That feeling is completely mutual Rob.

And thanks for introducing me to AI.

Marty