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With the advent of good sounding AI singers I'm going through my songbook for neglected and/or unfinished songs with which to have fun with.

This is a duet: Solaria AI starts (V1), then me (V2), then both...

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One Life Stand


If I came back the early bird
and you came back the worm
I'd fend off all your predators
including me I'd learn
I'd show you what it means to fly
and I'm sure you'd make me squirm
if I came back the early bird
and you, the worm

If you came back the tortoise
and I came back the hare
I'd learn how rich each moment is
stop scurryin' from here to there
And if you came out of your shell
well you could ride me anywhere
if you came back the tortoise
and I, the hare

No way to know
what the maker has got planned
This could be a simple one life stand

If I came back as you, baby
I can't say with certainty
that I would feel the need at all
to go in search of me
I'm sorry but I fear that I would
feel too damn complete
if I came back as you, baby
and you came back as me

If I came back the early bird
and you came back the worm
I'd fend off all your predators
including me I'd learn
I'd show you what it means to fly

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(C) 2000, 2012, and 2023 Michael Zaneski

Lol...
I don't even want to think about my "to do" drawer...

That's YOU!?
I think Solaria hypnotized you with all that dreamy reverb

"Modes"?
What modes... O_o

Clever lyric, the vocal sounds like Michael Jackson, leaving me saying why?

I guess you're experimenting, what is it you sing and then replace your voice with AI?


This stuff scares me to be honest, i see the lure of it and the need for it for people who dont sing, but you do, this does not sound better than you.

Overall i like the basics of it, im just spooked out by the vocals

Mike,
oooh, this is so beautiful!!!! So dreamy. I love the song. Awesome what you did with Solaria, especially how you used her in the background vocals. OMG. That gave me goosebumps! I noticed you adjusted so many things with her voice, even the vibrato. Your voice is good too ... nice and low with a lot of reverb. But I have to say this ... she's the star here. The song is cool. So laid back. Perfect. You should sing more often together with Solaria. I'm glad I was able to point you and Tony to some interesting software. Great job!

All the best - Robert

Tony,

You figure out modes? On the top right of the software, look for the microphone icon. Click it. That will give you a view of all the voice parameters, including vocal modes. Solaria has seven different singing modes that you can mix together, or just have one active. Dealer's choice. The negative is that any changes there effects all the notes, so be careful> Render out (or "save") what you have before making any global changes. There's lots of tweak-able parameters, though. The whole bottom third of the gui is devoted to that and those effect just the notes you want. Plus, you can, if you want, draw vibratos manually.

Thanks, re: the song. My voice is V2 and that's a vocal from 2004 2000 or thereabouts.

Mike

Thanks, FD.

Yeah, experimenting, having fun.

Michael Jackson, ey? Not sure I hear that, haha...btw, that is actually me singing V2 and half of the rest.

Thanks for listening!

Mike

Great stuff! I’m amazed…

Yup wave of the future I guess, robots
Sounds real man and cool

The sad part is not one person mentioned the song, which is pretty good, and far better than the tech.

My honest assessment is this kind of tech will be ok for this kind of song, which is a pop song.

And probably fits better in this track because the track is sampled too, are you actually playing anything or all samples?

Sounds like maybe some piano may be in there cause there's some melody being played.

But [naughty word removed] this [naughty word removed], the best part of it is what the human created.

And no Mike is not the human,...lol j/k

Hey experiment, have fun , but this is very creepy to me.

Frankly you said you said second verse, as I relistened it sounds like you were trying to emulate the style of the ai vocal, which you shoukdnt be trying to.

The harmony parts sound robotic they don't blend well.

Not trying to shite on your parade mike, I gave props for the right stuff.

Demos, ok, but if there is a God, this will not be used for more than that. The way it sounds to me right now, it can't.

But if I could be convinced and then likely very depressed, I'd like to hear a rock n roll song, with sampled guitars the whole nine.

IMHO it won't be very good. Yeah it does sound like mj like on the girl is mine.

I realize it's not much different than using a piano sample, or drum sample, it's just a voice instead .

Based on somebody out there...

I think pop music is the only genre that can somewhat be compatible.

Signed,
Spooked out in Jersey

Fdem - Not true! I commented the song.

To me, it's not clear what you call "samples". I assume you are referring to sampled sounds. Almost everybody these days uses sampled sounds because hardly anybody is a multi-instrumentalist. Many of today's hit songs are recorded with sampled sounds. Hardly anybody places a mic in front of their amp or piano/keyboard when they record a song. The AI vocals are not sampled vocals. They are generated by a computer.

Btw, one can record songs with melodies without playing an instrument.

In my opinion Mike doesn't sound like MJ at all. Mike sang very low. MJ high. Your whole post doesn't make much sense to me, but that's ok.

Mike - I've listened to this track several of times now. It's extremely catchy. The second verse with you singing the lead and Solaria singing something different in the background is the absolute highlight.

Ok, you did. When I say samples, I guess I'm using an all encompassing word, like you said samples are everywhere.

I'm not sure rock guys use them, possibly on snare drums, but I highly doubt the stones are going to use samples on their new record, nor Bruce.

Nor any band that thrive on live sound, you have to wonder what any of these online people would do, if they were asked to perform live.

But I understand samples are just sounds, I use samples drums, just wondered if he actually played anything, or you for that matter

Or is it all pre determined patterns.

I don't have a problem with samples, or pc driven in music in a major way. What I don't like is songs are judged on what software you used .

U2 probably used tons of samples, I like them, but I like their early stuff which was all organic.

I guess, I'm a rock guy, or rock tinted pop, and my ears do not hear what you guys hear in this stuff... ie band In A box, the guitars sound like [naughty word removed]. Acoustic can sound pretty good

But I recall in the 80s all sings were keyboard driven and drum machines, and then it got completely blown away by real instruments in the 90s.

That's one thing I tip my hat to Nirvana for.

So I guess I shouldn't worry, but it does bother me how users of this stuff have had their ears change with it.

Listen to a green day record or foo fighters, this [naughty word removed] ain't gonna do that.

I dont think it will do country very well either with steel and the like needing to be vibrant.

But I won't interfere any more with this. You guys are having fun, that's important too

Thanks, Rob.

Really glad you are enjoying this!

Yeah, this song has seen several iterations. the good ones that I've underachieved on keep calling my name, "work on me!" and I have a mental battle over whether that's a good use of time. But i get a free pass cuz I am learning new software. Ultimately I want to return to "video opera' writing.

I sang this in the early 2000s, probably in the morning to get the rounded baritone (maybe too much dry mouth--ugh the Kenny Rogers influence haha), cuz generally my range is closer to a tenor.

I am having more fun than I've had in years. I've also become a pro member of this site:

https://lalals.com/

You might want to check it out. You can upload an isolated Solaria or Kevin (or yourself or anyone, AI or not) and it will transform the sound of the vocal to a growing list of recording artists, anonymous but great sounding singers, rappers, famous speakers, etc. The end result is like a modified Kevin or Solaria. It will sound somewhere in between the original AI vocal and the AI singer on lalals, so I doubt there will be any "take downs" on anything other than people advertising their song as sung by a specific AI artist and it gets a million hits, LOL.

With Synth V, I am still learning what parameters effect all the notes (globally) and which ones are tweak-able on a note-by-note basis. It makes sense that vocal "modes" effect all notes. Ergo, I think rendering out in bits and pieces is the best route. That way singers can be more relaxed in verses and more passionate in choruses, and so on...

Fun fun fun...

Thanks for all the kind words, Rob!

Mike

Fdem, is a song a better song if someone uses a real instrument to record it? What if Mike used pre-defined patterns, which I doubt? Would that make the song a bad song? I can't follow your logic here. I'm not a good piano player. I normally use sampled sounds and program my instruments myself. I can't play drums, guitars, a bass, woodwinds, horns, strings, etc. But I know how to program them. Are you saying just because someone doesn't play an instrument well enough to perform live mean that he or she can't produce radio-quality songs?

Not per se, but there is more to a song. The voicings ,your intro, your ending, your riffs, I have to write all of that, but i understand if you write a melody and lyric you could have somebody arrange and record it.

But not sounding bad is not sounding great. We think this stuff is competitive cause who else is posting?

Go in soundcloud and see people who have thousands of listens. The bar is much higher, even for synth and pc driven music

I don't think I have to go to Soundcloud. I don't need thousands of listens. If my songs get radio airplay, then all is well.

I think Mike's song is good enough to get radio airplay.

Getting airplay on an Internet channel is not a grand feat, if it sounds halfway decent they will play it, same thing with many TV and movie placements the song can't possibly matter if they use 15 seconds of it.

Alot of times they put bands with a following thing it increases their reach

But what I can argue with, is if you are happy with it, that's great.

I am never happy with my productions

Fdem,
I should have been more precise. I wasn't talking about local or internet radio stations. I was talking about the big radio stations. Yes, I'm satisfied when my songs get nation-wide radio airplay. That is where you can earn some money. Thousands of Spotify plays won't get you as far as radio airplay will. Earning money when you do what you enjoy doing is pretty cool-

I personally think Mike's song here has what it takes to get played on those bigger radio stations.

I never said his song wasn't good. You're starting to get annoying, always trying to unify people so you can have a majority.

Oh yeah? I personally think the rolling stones would agree with me....

You talk about hijacking, you keep poking.

poof....

Thanks, Craig.

I might use this song as a game clue, haha. There's a riff (in my song) that might sound vaguely familiar, or at least the riff's rhythm.

Mike

Thanks, Ben.

Yeah, reincarnation doesn't have to be a heavy topic. I at least tried to find "the lighter side" haha.

Mike

Naw sounds great whatever works
Heavy subjects are divorce
Were probably all coming back anyway
Who knows
China believes it , They make everything, they're probably right

Your getting radio play ?

For the time being I've only got it on a "private" Soundcloud channel cuz I haven't decided whether to go with my old publisher (Audiosparx) or not.

And whether or not I want to create a video for it.

Ahh ok , somebody said National radio play . Rob I guess

(Audiosparx like CD baby I guess. Which is sending me 56 dollars Wife said Woo Hoo were in the chips now

Audiosparx is more like in actual "publisher" in that potential clients in various media can "shop" there to buy or rent tracks for specific uses such as TV theme music, TV ad/radio ad/podcast music, etc. I uploaded, like, 40-50 songs back in the early months of 2014 and they put several on compilations and whatnot and I still get small quarterly checks from them.

Gottha , Sounds promising. ok I'll load them up in there

There's these guys
I've talked to them before
www.modern-musician.com

You pay 5k over 5 or 6 months they teach you to ROI on music
I'll talk to them again in 2 months , See if its worth it
Here's there pitch , with 11111000000000 trillion songs on the net
You need the tools to get above the noise
Thanks

Back to your song , very profound hook

It's a beautiful song. I wonder if you should bring your voice up just a little bit in the mix.

Great job on Solaria. There were a couple of spots where I thought the phrasing could be improved but probably because I was listening hard for them. In some ways it sounded a bit like English isn't her first language .
It strikes me that anyone using this software should get a friend in to sit beside him just before he finalizes everything and listen for those tiny moments that will be very hard to notice if you're the one who has spent all that time working with it. But really, it sounded great. As you might expect, it works especially well when you're singing together. And it doesn't hurt that it's such a great song to begin with.

Hi Gavin,

I mix in headphones but did notice my voice getting swallowed up in a couple spots in the verse, and yes I could easily add another dB or two there, so thanks, that's something easily attended to.

I have purchased Kevin and Solaria so far and I have to pay attention to words like "the," "to," and "ing" ending words cuz it gives really formal pronunciations, as it should I suppose, but the good news is that I can make any word more colloquial by changing not the word, but the phonetic equivalent. And then the word too, if I want, by just spelling how I want the singer to pronounce it.

I figure after a few weeks I'll be an old pro with Synthesizer V. One other great thing about it is that the vocals don't need a lot of magic tricks to sound good in a mix, as they come out of the box sonically pretty decent.

I appreciate that you think the song good. I must've as well. I have a love/hate with older songs, and among those that never quite came off, a few deserve another chance, I figure now's a good time for those.

Having fun...

Thanks,

Mike

Missed this...

Monetizing my art has always been the last thing on my mind, LOL. But I like the looks of the website. They look to be rather new on the scene which I see as more a positive than negative. Thanks for the info...

Hey Mike.

I really appreciate you posting this song featuring AI. You and Rob have posted two competent tunes featuring AI and shared your processes. I would have commented earlier but I gave the Aqualung contingent a little space to run out its course.

I really like the harmony you did with the non-human singer. As yet it doesn't really sound "blended" to me but it is closing in for sure.
I guess it's the joining of midi and text input, but some of the words that the AI is singing sound like they round-the-corner on the syllables a little rigidly.

As for the song? First of all, I'm hearing it through the computer speakers on my desk and that can be very different from other sound sources.

Not really my wavelength. I understand the dreamy/ethereal component that the "space" adds, but it's too wet for my tastes.
At the opening, the instruments sounded a few cents off to me. A little discordant to my ear. Likely that my ear is a little off.

That's just little personal nitpix. I think that it's a good song and deeply appreciate you and Rob for making this information available.
Gonna make a run at this myself on my next one.

Marty

Hey Marty,

Good to see you.

This was my first project having owned Synth V for less than two days and you and Gavin raise some valid points. It could be was I pushing the "soft" gain ride in Synth V's "vocal modes" cuz I was, as well as mic-ing her voice really close, which is something I like to do. Could be the source of what you were hearing.

The first part being a few cents off is probably correct in that it was the "saved" part of the first production in 2000, when I was recording directly into a digital 8 track, no computer.

I think you might hear more of the depth to the production with headphones, but I still appreciate you commenting and what you said.

Mike