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Not note for note, but segment to segment, if their is a four meter pattern of beatr that works i can copy and paste that, but i spend alot of time on picking the right fills, makes a rock song much more interesting than just playing a beat all the way through, and in my opnion, programming drums like this is very similar to actually playing them, cause you still have to know what you're doing on drums.

and they service the songs, all those have definitive sections of songs, not just drums banging. All i need to do is play the other instruments over them and they are done. Those three tunes were written in my head, before i even knew how to play them. and drums was the first thing i put down.

no my critiques actually start from the premise, that if the song sucks, its all putting lipstick on a pig. We should talk about tech, we should have a section just for that, and if somebody wants to offer a song to talk about sound, that can go there. But the song threads should be for the song. Tech talk exclude alot of the people here, and bores others.

I also use EZkeys

From what I've seen in videos however, the drums in Logic are basically EZdrums without the "quick tools". And the MIDI editor is really easy to use.

LOGIC is a DAW as good as any. Maybe not as loaded as full-on PROTOOLS. But I have no doubt that LOGIC will get your drums done well.

Lol... If you're shooting for a "low-fi" 70s sound I would agree.
However, once you actually start mixing, you're undoubtedly going to want a much bigger "fatter" sound out of your drums. Your "room eq" will have a lot to do with that

Then put up one stinking song.

After all these years of blathering and discord, your opinion has lost all credibility...if and until you POST ONE SONG.
And then we can see how TRULY knowledgeable and skilled that you are.

Anxiously waiting.

like theres any chance you are going to give it a good review. im not knowledgeake or skilled, but i am moreso than you.

If we had about 500 more "regular visitors" here, I would agree lol...

Besides, the site is already organized that way... But, if you drop below the lyrics section, nobody ever sees you.

You really do need to find some new complaints, Dom

Fdem,
if you don’t like the way this site is structured, make your own site. So, you suggest to get feedback on the songwriting I should post my song in a songwriting or MP3 section, to get feedback on the lyrics I should post the same song in the lyrics section and to talk about the tools I used I should post the same track again and again in drum, guitar and keyboard, etc. sections. Wow.

I’d like to know how you would prevent other people from hijacking their post/thread. I placed my song in the song section here and now you’re using my song thread to get feedback on your drum track. Why didn’t you post your recording in your own thread? That is so rude! Any suggestions what should happen if somebody does that?

THEN POST ONE SINGLE SONG THAT DISPLAYS YOUR PROWESS. How well you can pull it all together in a single execution.

If it is good, I'll say that it's good. If not, I'll tell you why, IMO, it isn't.
Just words on a screen either way.
Put up a song.

Until you do post, at least, one single song...given your history of crushing down on so many other people's songs...my leading theory is that you are a patient locked in a psyche ward somewhere with access to the computer room. Or something comparable.

Without the ability to put up a single song...you make no sense in any reasonable context.

that wasnt a complaint, it was a response to gavin.

Ahem...this forum is entitled "MP3 Feedback Forum."

So folks should post their songs twice? Once here and again in a tech section of the site? That ain't going to work. A bit of tech talk excludes nobody. If that's not something that interests them, they don't have to respond or even read those parts. Normally, it's only a couple of lines of text, unless the poster of the song asks for more. This thread went more techy for obvious reasons.

why dont you stop flappin your gums, i didnt say i didnt like how it was structured, the complaint is morons like you should be posting in the right place. THERE are other sections to use.

But you know it will get more attention there. Stop bsing ok? now shew

if they are not interested in critiques about the lyrics or anything else about the song, then dont put it there.

His typing gets worse the more you upset him... I think he's on his phone.

Sure hope he's not driving...

This is fun ten against one and im kicking everybodys ass.

WINNING!

I doubt that he is allowed to drive.

CONGRATULATIONS DOM.

Where's a song Dom?

it was literally NOTHING, not much resistance

Imagine how silly it would be if in the lyric section, somebody started talking about their AI recording tools.

But there all u see is the lyric, which is how it should be. A time and place for everything, except Marty. No time or place for him

Tell you what. This is starting to transition from mildly annoying into possibly truly tragic.
Gonna withdraw. I suggest that everyone does.

ROB, will pm you for coaching when I try to work through the AI. Thanks again. Marty

Wisdom says
Forgive and forget
Apathy says
Give Up and quit

like we couldnt tell that was coming. You're a pussy Marty. Has to be your way or the ship crumbles

Its ok i dont need you numbnuts, you stay, lie to each other

Well Tonester? Ya got me.

I posted my song in the right section. I wanted feedback on the song. The song consists of music, lyrics, vocals, mix, etc. I got valuable feedback here. I also got a lot of stuff that nobody is interested in, especially from you Fdem. I wouldn't be surprised if the moderators take this thread off the board because mostly you are not using this site the way it was intended. If that happens, you won. Threads like this one will scare people away.

Pacing and snarling
Spitting with rage
Defying the indignity
But I can't see my cage...

Emotionally invested
Inspired by obscenity
Without controversy
Some have no identity

Wisdom says
Forgive and forget
Apathy says
Give Up and quit

Come on, Dom... You've got drums, now give us a hook!

Why would being grateful for input on the production mean that a poster is "not interested in critiques about the lyrics or anything else about the song?" It's far more convenient to have all the feedback on your mp3 in one place rather than go chasing around the site. In my experience most responses and critiques start with the lyric and melody (the song itself). Sometimes it stops there, which is fine. Other times, the responder has something to offer on the production. Also fine and gratefully received. Nobody is excluded. Nobody should have a problem with this.

Many of us are working towards having a final article. It might not be a brilliant production, but it can still be good enough to put up on Spotify or wherever for friends to enjoy. That's better than it languishing on a hard drive because, although the song is brilliant we have no way to produce it and don't have Adele's number to call her up and play our demo to her over the phone. Getting feedback on the song which helps in all aspects of doing this is helpful for most of us. If you don't find it helpful, just ignore it and bring your wisdom to bear on those aspects that do interest you. There's room for it all without excluding anyone.

Fdem,
you're not sticking to the comment guidelines of JPF: post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam. Calling people "morons" and"weirdos" is not respectful. You could get thrown off this site for that.

That's the other dysfunctional side of the equation with this site. They dont step-in and shut it down. They let it go on ad nauseum, even though it destroys the site. My only guess is that this pumps clicks.

Seems like Fool's Gold to me.

it wouldnt have gone anywhere, if my comment about the lyric had been acknowledged, and then moved on., but since the comment, its been one attacking diatribe about me.

and I will oblige the back and forth.

It shouldnt be a red flag if somebody says somebody lyric is weak, and everybody knows it too, thats the worst part about it.

Id examine your role in these flame wars. I did nothing but say my opinion, and it wasnt welcomed

got it chief?

Padded walls
Bars on the windows
Gleaning insight
From morons and weirdos

That should be "ad nauseam." Incorrect Latin is a huge problem with this site, but we all just let it go because we're too concerned with being nice. How are we going to learn if we're not complete dicks to people who are careless with the accusative case of singular feminine nouns?

The walls are too thick
I'm too deep to dig
My mind is too big

"ad nauseAm" then.

Psychotic Bitch!
Psychotic Bitch!
Psychotic Bitch!
Psychotic Bitch!
Psychotic Bitch!....

Lol... Should have gone to church this morning...

I agree, the lack of moderation here is beyond reason. I hope Brian is not ill. Who else is supposed to be moderating?

I agree with Tony that this all does seem really Freudian. Mac Charles dies and (other than the RIP post concerning Mac's death) nobody posts anything for a few days, then all hell breaks loose. I have to think there is a connection.

Dom feels like he has been "wronged" and needs to defend his reputation or honor or something. The point is, he feels "justified" in hurling invective along with his circular arguments, and unfortunately he is unable to disengage long enough to see that he is the one constant in all of this.

I find this fascinating, in the Spock sense. This must be a constant in his life, and part of him must like...strike that...must feel really comfortable in feeling "wronged" cuz he tends to be that kinda hammer that feels he is constantly "wronged" if you look at him funny for a split second, and we're the awful "baiting" nails that he is so voraciously seeking out and hammering down, in order to feel what? Like he's winning? What is he winning? Who is the judge of that contest? Some imaginary tribunal in his head? His dad perhaps?

Abuse usually originates in some awful co-dependent family dynamic, such as having an abusive father. We swear to God we won't grow up and be like him, while the choices we make throughout our lives can sometimes turn us into the same monster(s) we once despised. Just sayin...

Trolls and other abusive types always feel they are justified. And the abuse usually continues and ramps up, if nothing is done about it. The age old adage "don't feed the trolls" applies here.

Imagine if he was to rant and NO ONE was to respond, I bet he would start getting even more viscous and seething. Sending repeated all caps messages like a ten year old in detention. Then he might just stop posting. At least for a while. That's because we are fueling him. He has a desperate need to "act out" that he has been wronged, and he needs an our audience, cuz some small part of him wants our help.

But we can find some empathy, I think. Imagine that maybe, way back when, he really WAS wronged and hurt and maybe even traumatized, which led to developmental problems concerning how he relates to others. I doubt he has anyone close in his personal life that he spends significant time with, or he wouldn't be here so much.

Maybe we are all getting tiny glimpses of some trauma that he doesn't dare face. This narrative is one that makes sense out of everything, to me. That combined with Mac's death as being some kind of catalyst.

Dom, we are not all against you. We are not your enemies. We are trying to find a way to reach you. Some by offering you challenges such as "write a song" others by reminding you about decorum. But can't you see you are lashing out, thinking of the most hurtful things you can, to say to everybody here because we've all, at this point, WRONGED you SO bad (oh boy, here comes more hurtful things, my way, for drawing attention to myself)...?

Carroll's song lyric and Rob's song are stuck in my head, and I feel a little braver, thanks to its message. Mission accomplished, Carroll and Rob. A sincere thanks for that.

Mike

Fdem,
I’ve been in the music business long enough to be able to identify a strong lyric when I see one. For your information, I think this is a strong lyric no matter how many people on this site think differently. Renaming yourself and calling yourself “everybody” and saying everybody knows its weak is still just your personal opinion. If you think it’s weak, that’s your problem, not mine.

I acknowledged your lyric comment but it wasn’t in your very first post, nor in your second or third post. Once you finally gave me feedback on the song, I said I respected your opinion and thanked you for sharing your thoughts. You responded by calling me a weirdo and later a moron. Saying that if your initial comment about the lyric had been acknowledged by me and then moved on, that then all of this wouldn’t have happened… is absolutely pathetic. With that you are saying all your ranting and name calling and the fact that everybody is attacking you is my fault because according to you, I didn’t acknowledge what you wrote. How sick is that?

Again, it wouldn’t surprise me if they throw you out here.

Hi Mike,
Gary E. Andrews is one of the moderators here. I've written songs with him in the past. I asked him to take a closer look at this thread. They might delete the whole thread because this is definitely not the way they want to run and promote this website.

I don't like that idea, Rob...
It's "cancellation mentality". Dom Dementrio truly does "WIN" if this thread is deleted. It's the REASON he's so hostile. It reinforces some twisted sense of relevancy, effectiveness, and authority in him.

Don't delete it! Let it stand as a reminder, an example.

Personally, I don't believe Dom was a victim of childhood abuse. Those unfortunate souls are generally very timid and withdrawn. Even if they grow to be murderous psychopaths, they generally don't attract negative attention to themselves.
No, Dom has somehow been given an excuse to "act" like a victim, then stomp his feet like an impetuous child. Don't reinforce that behavior by erasing the evidence.

but it WASNT A STRONG LYRIC...its BADDDDDDDDDDDDDD lyric. Its not to say he cant write something good, none of us are born great writers we have to learn as we go.

Hi Tony,
I'm sorry but this website has comment guidelines ... rules. People who don't follow the rules have to deal with the consequences. This thread is a disaster. If I hadn't started this thread I just might see it like you. My name is associated with this thread. I assume I'll be banned as well. I'll leave it up to the moderators to decide. I keep asking myself what I did wrong. I shouldn't have posted the song.

Oft times, victims do grow-up to be just like their abusers, but you may be right.


That's the fascinating point, for me. How he comes to "green light" his behavior.

He seems to do so by reading things into our posts that aren't there, then he feels justified. Even after we explain what our intentions were, in a given post, he must feel like he absolutely KNOWS beyond a shadow of a doubt that we were intending malice, when ironically enough, with his ad hominem attacks, he himself ironically resemble someone intending malice.

Mike your credibility as a reviewer is on thin ice. You recently asked Vic if he was a member of the highwayman, and his song was better than anything Waylon Jennings or Kris K ever wrote. Even Vic was rolling his eyes. Good song yes, just stop it already...

I HAVE been wronged. I was the only one who told the truth, and i was blasted for it.

Mike your problem is you think you're a cerebral giant, you type page after page of what you believe shows in depth thought processes, credibility, but all it does is distract and bore the reader.

Great writers can say alot of things with few words, economy is the key. Learn how to say something in as few words as possible.

Mike it's easy to gang up on someone, theres more people here who drink the kool aid than that dont. I can name a couple here who do not. As i said i could stack the deck here with people who would blast BIAB as a recording tool, but why. I'm right anyway.

Rob

You are a very reasoned person. You expect other people to respond to reason if you can make a reasoned case for a course of action. The case that you made above is pretty much air-tight. But reason is not going on here. Dysfunction is.

The fact that DOM has never actually written a song that he can present was a surprise to me. And it presented me something that I could present to him that undercut him in a way that he couldn't really overcome. It pinned him down to his own hypocrisy. So I just kept bringing it back and back. Finally, as Tony noticed...he started to "collapse." Then came pejorative names and irrational declarations such as "WINNING" (a la Charlie Sheen.) I think that the underlying drivers are truly clinical therefore, not capable of responding to reason.

I go to other sites about songs, DAWS, off-road motorcycling etc. I don't get attacked anywhere else. I don't have to fire back at people coming at me so that I can have a productive conversation. If anything like that goes on, moderators drop the hammer fast and its over. But not here. The moderators are feckless and sometimes misguided themselves... so these "clinical" episodes pour out until they die of repetition and exhaustion.

IMO, though DOM is annoying, he seems also pathological and unable to stop if he wanted. Reasoning with him has shown itself to be hopeless. The responsibility for these dysfunctional episodes ultimately does not lie with him. It lies with moderators here who could shut it down...but don't.

Mike once messaged me complaining about Tony, talking about his gun and bible mentality, but somehow tony is the team player, and im not.

Japov, dont ever ask for a collab, thats one reason i will never write with you, you're a fake and an antagonizer

Subjectivity does not lend itself to certainty, Dom.

CK used to complain about my edits to his lyrics lol... But, now and then, and only in my opinion, he nails something and inspires me. The operative phrase here being ,"only in my opinion."

CK inspired Rob, shut up and respect that.

Yeah, and those things still bother me about Tony, and he knows that, but we also have a mutual respect about things musical.



No what I did was compare the writing and performance to the Highwaymen ("are you, like the fifth Highwaymen?") and then to tell him the song was as moving (NOT better, as you state) to me as anything that those guys had written, and I meant it. For someone who says everyone is entitled to their opinion, it's funny you have a problem letting me have mine.

FD, if we're all against you, I at least hope you have someone4 in your personal life that does. It must be awful if this [lace is the most "intimacy" you are getting out of life.

BTW, I would never betray anything anyone ALIVE told me in confidence.

Mike

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Vic, are you, like, the fifth Highwaymen?

So much grit and self-honesty; as moving as anything Waylon, Willie, Johnny, or damn...EVEN Kris K ever wrote (in my humble opinion). There was always a beautiful transparency to their lyrics, and that's always been a part of who you are, too.

Maybe we're a little older and realize there's much less to lose. smile

Bless you, ol' friend.

Mike