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Originally Posted by E Swartz
I think Andy Williams got his start with his brothers as a "barber shop quartet in the 50's. I remember seeing the Osmonds introduced on his show early-mid-60's. Give us a stage tune John!

I remember "Dancing Bear" (on the Andy Williams Show) and him wanting cookies...not relevant, haha, but good blackmail material, if you play your cards right, lol. smile

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Yeah', I don't have the "foggiest" clue what any of you are doing...

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Andy Williams was the featured artist at Super Bowl VII. What a guy! You should stream some of his Christmas albums. :-)

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Most wonderful time of the year, Oh holy night, Little drummer boy... Haven't heard these since I was a kid, Christmas shopping with my Mom at Montgomery Ward smile



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#33 Mystery Tune: No notes just yet… This tune is an early 1940’s jazz classic. First appeared in a Paramount movie early 1940’s. William Holden was in it.

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
#33 Mystery Tune: No notes just yet… This tune is an early 1940’s jazz classic. First appeared in a Paramount movie early 1940’s. William Holden was in it.

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A "non-musical" clue first? I can name that tune in zero notes...PM'd you...

I know I'm gambling, but that can be fun!

Right or wrong "guess", I'll keep quiet; folks should have fun with this one. The version I know was sung by Cynthia Geary who played Shelly Marie Tambo in "Northern Exposure" --she sang the song through the entire episode.

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Since nobody can name it in less notes, you're the winner Michael! Congrats! It is "Tangerine".

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Thanks, John!

Back in an hour with a "stage and screen" song!

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Mystery Tune #34:

Written clue first:

This song was originally (first) sung (performed on stage) by the guy that wrote (mostly) the music for this and several other musicals.

A man who starred in other later musicals co-written by this (original singer) guy had the biggest hit version of this song, not the original (first) singer, who again, was in early productions of this musical. But this man who starred in other later musicals not only had the biggest hit version of the song in question, but had a MUCH BIGGER HIT about a decade later, also written by the same songwriting team, and several years after that would finally star in a "revival" of the musical that produced the song-in-question.

BIG CLUE: There's a tie in to William Holden, as well! Holden appeared in a movie that this songwriting team would (help) adapt (write the songs) for the musical stage decades later!

BIG CLUE: David Bowie was influenced by this songwriter's vocals.

If you can figure out the songwriter/vocalist you can probably figure out the song!

If no one has a guess, I'll post a three note clue tomorrow, and add more notes later, if needed.

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I know this one, ha! Didn’t have John’s “Tangerine” tho.

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Be careful and name the right song! My clues might be a little confusing, haha...PM me so you get the major bragging rights..


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Craig got it! Woo-hoo! Anyone else figure it out?

I will leave it up to him whether I name the song or not, iow let others have a chance to guess it or not...

If Craig has a new mystery song idea, he could let 'er rip?!?

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It hasn’t been long since you posted the clues, so maybe let others have a go at it!?

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Sounds good, Craig. Maybe another guess or two or Sunday afternoon, whichever comes first.

Anyone else figure out the song?

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This is the clue that solved it for me…

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BIG CLUE: David Bowie was influenced by this songwriter's vocals.

If you can figure out the songwriter/vocalist you can probably figure out the song!

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WKOFAI?


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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
WKOFAI?

Indeed it is!

Craig was first to get it; VNorth2 followed in close pursuit. Congrats, guys.

"What Kind of Fool Am I?" A hit for Sammy Davis Jr. in 1961 from a Newley/Bricusse musical "Stop the World I Want To Get Off."

Ten years later Davis Jr. would score again from the same team with "Candy Man" from their "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" and then Sammy would finally star in "Stop the World..." when it had a Broadway revival in '78.

Was gonna post a Newley version from the late Eighties, but that vibrato had gotten to be a little much. Sammy seems to own every song he touches, except for maybe "Mr. Bojangles" --that's at least a two-way toss up with The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.



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I'll do a new tune in a little bit... you'll see why I did WKOFAI for my answer

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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
I'll do a new tune in a little bit... you'll see why I did WKOFAI for my answer

Steve

Haha, sounds like a future "hidden clue" that your future song will have a long title. As long as it's not "I'm a Cranky Old Yank in a Clanky Old Tank on the Streets of Yokohama with My Honolulu Mama Doin' Those Beat-o, Beat-o Flat-On-My-Seat-o, Hirohito Blues" or IACOYIACOTOTSOYWMHMDTBBFOMSHB as aficionados like to call it. wink

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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
I'll do a new tune in a little bit... you'll see why I did WKOFAI for my answer

Steve

Haha, sounds like a future "hidden clue" that your future song will have a long title. As long as it's not "I'm a Cranky Old Yank in a Clanky Old Tank on the Streets of Yokohama with My Honolulu Mama Doin' Those Beat-o, Beat-o Flat-On-My-Seat-o, Hirohito Blues" or IACOYIACOTOTSOYWMHMDTBBFOMSHB as aficionados like to call it. wink

It's nowhere near this easy...LOL


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Ok Mystery Tune # 35

This tune is hidden in plain view

MAISRCRYMBML

Each letter in this scramble is either the first letter of each word in the title or the first letter of the first and last name of the singer and the songwriters...remember the letters are scrambled

Clue #1
Inspired by a crime....

SPECIAL RULE!!!!
This is a collaboration!!!!!
When you post your answer just rearrange the letters in the specific order of writers, singer, song... don’t leave any spaces...I’ll declare it the 50% winner..then...the next person must spell out all the words/names in full to complete the challenge...LOL

Steve

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I love difficult puzzles, but without a random stroke of luck, IOW having the song just "dawn on me" --I think this will be nearly impossible without more clues.

Here's my "analysis" so far, maybe it will help another player...

If the singer is also one of the songwriters, then that singer/songwriter has to have the first/last name initials M and R or R and M, such as Marty Robbins or Roger McGuinn, since those are the only repeating letters, and the singer's initials would be repeated as one of the songwriters.

If so that would narrow the remaining letters to: AISCYBML --whereas at least two of those letters belong to at least one other songwriter, since "songwriters" plural is how VNORTH2 shapes the puzzle. "Brother, Can You Spare A..." ...ugh...no "D" in the puzzle letters.

But the above analysis could easily be a case of "barking up the wrong tree", as the singer could just as easily NOT be one of the songwriters!

If the singer in NOT one of the songwriters, the possibilities multiply endlessly...but this could at least mean the song is from the Fifties or Sixties where far more popular recordings were made by singers singing songs they did not have a hand in writing themselves. For instance, think of folk acts such as the Kingston Trio.

Immediately eliminate any titles that come to mind with "The" in the title, or any "T" word, for that matter.

If the singer and songwriters all have two names (iow aren't someone like "Bono"), then it follows

If there are 2 songwriters, then the title has 6 initials/words.

Here's a list with songs that have 6 word titles:

http://www.inthe00s.com/archive/boardgames/smf/1111121915.shtml

If there are 3 songwriters, then the title has 4 initials/words.
If there are 4 songwriters, then the title has 2 initials/words.
There are many bands where all members get songwriting credit for every song. For instance "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Queen. Inspired by a crime, 4 songwriters, but alas, Freddie Mercury is the singer and there's no "F" in the clue.

None of the above has helped me find an answer yet. Perhaps with more clues, the possibilities will narrow somewhat.

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Love your logic...do you try cryptoquote puzzles...LOL

more clues will be coming

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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Michael

Love your logic...do you try cryptoquote puzzles...LOL

more clues will be coming

Steve


Thanks, Steve. Never heard of them but just checked out a site that has some. Those look easier than this, lol.

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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Ok Mystery Tune # 35

This tune is hidden in plain view

MAISRCRYMBML

Each letter in this scramble is either the first letter of each word in the title or the first letter of the first and last name of the singer and the songwriters...remember the letters are scrambled

Clue #1
Inspired by a crime....

SPECIAL RULE!!!!
This is a collaboration!!!!!
When you post your answer just rearrange the letters in the specific order of writers, singer, song... don’t leave any spaces...I’ll declare it the 50% winner..then...the next person must spell out all the words/names in full to complete the challenge...LOL

NEW CLUES!!!!

#2 This puzzle is so hard to beat you may need a "Hail Mary Pass" to figure it out

#3 A lot of folks were upset by what happened at the Grammy Awards this year


Don't forget it's a collab answer

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Looking for more clues too.

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Tough one! Scratching my head...

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Originally Posted by Craig Allen
Looking for more clues too.

Mike Z's logic was the same logic I used to write the challenge
...and he's part way there...LOL


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BIG CLUE!!!!

The singer ain't just known as a great singer


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Another clue!!!!

The song was so emotional the singer did it in one take and said "that's it" Can't do it again


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One more clue for now
adding to clue #1
Inspired by a crime....Never would have figured that out in a million years...LOL


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When you figure it out and put the letters in their right order, you can also give clues to help complete the challenge...

Steve


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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Tough one! Scratching my head...

John

One of the great musicians, on the song, is right up your alley, John...LOL

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If any visitor reading this thread knows the answer, join Just Plain Folks give the answer and have some fun here

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MRASBRICMYLM


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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
MRASBRICMYLM

Bingo!!

Great job by detective MZ
Now you can help others finish the challenge by giving more clues if you want.


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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
MRASBRICMYLM

Bingo!!

Great job by detective MZ
Now you can help others finish the challenge by giving more clues if you want.

Like the singer in question, the singer's father was multi-talented. A singer, among other things, as well.


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Steve said, "adding to clue #1....Inspired by a crime....Never would have figured that out in a million years...LOL"

Adding to Steve's thought, there: searching for "songs inspired by a crime" ALONE will mostly likely lead to cul-de-sacs...

It certainly did me, LOL...

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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Steve said, "adding to clue #1....Inspired by a crime....Never would have figured that out in a million years...LOL"

Adding to Steve's thought, there: searching for "songs inspired by crimes" ALONE will mostly likely lead to cul-de-sacs...

It certainly did me, LOL...

I was thinking a dead end or over a cliff...LOL


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Question Mike

Which clue did it for you?? Or was it logic plus that did it?


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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Steve said, "adding to clue #1....Inspired by a crime....Never would have figured that out in a million years...LOL"

Adding to Steve's thought, there: searching for "songs inspired by crimes" ALONE will mostly likely lead to cul-de-sacs...

It certainly did me, LOL...

I was thinking a dead end or over a cliff...LOL

--all those too, and blind alleys, and barkings up wrong trees, for that matter, haha...

THESE ARE NOT CLUES, folks...


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Another clue

The song didn't win the Grammy but is in the GHOF

The singer is very familiar with the award


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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Question Mike

Which clue did it for you?? Or was it logic plus that did it?

The logic only helped me verify I had found the right song. "One take" and I found the song really quickly.

Since the 50% answer is "MRASBRICMYLM"

One can see that the singer is NOT one of the songwriters. That much of my "logic" was most definitely a blind alley.

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Another Clue:

The singer has probably said, "My name's not Ginger," in response to rude people, at least once or twice, I'd think ....

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50% Answer: MRASBRICMYLM

No more clues from me. I think there are sufficient clues to name the song, singer, and songwriters.

LOTS of clues about the singer. Figure out the singer, you figure out everything else. The clue directly above reveals significant information about the singer. Read closely!

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Another Clue

The chorus is basically about things we can't do...

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To Recap

The 50% answer is MRASBRICMYLM figured out by Michael Zaneski...to finish the challenge you have to find the words that each letter starts...the letters are now in their proper order starting with the names of the songwriters followed by the singer followed by the song..there are tons of clues to sort through...good luck..

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If no one gets the answer today, I'll put all the clues on one post and add a couple more tomorrow...

Steve

P.S. Mike was right..his last clue says a lot


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MRASBRICMYLM

Mike Reid, Allen Shamblin (songwriters), Bonnie Raitt, I Can’t Make You Love Me. Well, no way to get this without Mike’s puzzle solving skills! I thought Raitt wrote this. And, I remember when Mike Reid played for Penn State in the late ‘60s and was a concert pianist, with a follow-on career in the pros. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember he insured his hands/fingers because of the possibility of permanent injury. Anyway, good one! Had no idea Reid ended up in Nashville. John, you remember Mike Reid?

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Originally Posted by Craig Allen
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Mike Reid, Allen Shamblin (songwriters), Bonnie Raitt, I Can’t Make You Love Me. Well, no way to get this without Mike’s puzzle solving skills! I thought Raitt wrote this. And, I remember when Mike Reid played for Penn State in the late ‘60s and was a concert pianist, with a follow-on career in the pros. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember he insured his hands/fingers because of the possibility of permanent injury. Anyway, good one! Had no idea Reid ended up in Nashville. John, you remember Mike Reid?

Thanks, Craig. The title/artist appears multiple times in that link of "songs with six words" in my "analysis" post and I must've read it a bunch of times with eyes glazed over from being tired and didn't make the connection, last night. I simply kept thinking, as I read through that list that "it's probably not one of these, but a singer who also is a co-writer."

Also, I was looking specifically for songs that were OBVIOUSLY about a crime! Whoops! If I had read Steve more closely, I would have realized that "inspired by a crime" did NOT necessarily mean that there was, in fact, a crime descibed in the song...

Oh...and btw...CONGRATS---you've solved the remainder of the puzzle!!

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