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I would point out that the entire reason Iran is a hostile nation is to be laid at the the feet of Britain and the USA. Its theocracy is largely a creature of their making

In the late forties, after years about 40 years of having their oil receipts and trade terms dictated to them by mostly Britain, who encoured and paid off Iranian elites to get what they wanted, an Iranian Prime Minister dared to nationalize its own oil industry...side note...this STILL GOES ON. Companies simply buy the people they need to decide in their favour

In 1951, after being invited in to help the situation, the US (which was seen as an honest broker because the USA traded on far better terms with Iran) and CIA and Britain and its MI6 (or whatever it was then) initiated a coup and gave their then shah more power.

They also financed and trained SAVAK, the Shah's secret police who regularly used torure and executions as a tool to make sure every citizen remained loyal...which in the end ensured te US and Britain continued to benefit from its interest in Iran

The Ayatollah Khomeini had been exiled for dissent against the Shah at first to Iraq, then to Paris and when the Shah left Iran due to civil unrest, and went to the USA for cancer treatment, the student population in Iran stormed the hated US embassy to hold it hostage for the shah's return to face Iranian jusctice.

If you read the accounts, this was a fluid time in Iran and Ayatollah Khomeini did not yet have full power, but he recognized its strategic value and used it to his advantage

Ever since, the USA has been the Great Satan and the USA has done what it can to counter Iranian influence outside of its borders

If you fully understand the situiation, the USA has taken sides in Islam's Great Schism...Sunnis vs Shias. It's analagous to taking sides in the wars between Catholics and Protestants. Saudi Arabia is a Kingdom but beholden to an orthodix form of Sunni Islam....and the USA's best friend in the region...and sworn enemies of Iran as a Shia based theocracy

Going to Tehran to sit down to talk reason and peace with Iran is going to have to undo an awful lot of damage from Trump back to Truman

Note God is not anywhere near this equation

This was all about greed and power and the evil man is capable of doing.

And just because evil men invoke the name of God to justify their acts does not mean God is on their side.

Oh I love the competing Youtube videos.

Not watching any of them. the titles say it all

Oh my! That is so strident. But funny.

WWJD
Not what Tony did. LOL

Seriously John? What a politically divisive crock of $h!t... People have been wondering for 1400yrs, what are the Muslims going to do when there's only 2 left?

https://www.history.com/news/sunni-shia-divide-islam-muslim

Yeah', yeah', Dom... Typical
Notice how an atheist never addresses spirituality, but instead, attacks a "non-existent" spiritual source of "morality"... Any fool can point his finger and say "men are evil and life isn't fair". However, the ultimate question is, do you really think God is going to answer to YOU?

You know... that's actually a great point! God is perfect, but we are not. It's "Us"! "We" keep forcing God to operate within "Our" imperfect system. That's why things seem to be so convoluted... "We" are the convolution!

Now do you see what Jesus did?

Lol you are a winner let me tell you. At least acknowledge there are mind boggling discrepancies that do not point to a God being there.

lmao > Any fool can point his finger and say "men are evil and life isn't fair"

First of all he never said men are evil and life isnt fair, what are you talking about?

Id say life isnt fair if there is no God, but if there is one, life is not about being fair, its about God wanting to do anything to help.

No God=life is not fair.... no doubt
God= life SHOULD be made fair, otherwise HE is playing a sadistic game.

And this is coming from somebody who wants to believe, but the more I argue with people like you the less I believe. You make me realize that im not being rational.

If youd at least acknowledge doubt, youd relate to more people, cause you're not human if you dont doubt. Unless so badly brainwashed. I thought being raised Catholic made me brainwashed, but they never once forced me to do anything. Never forced me into church, didnt send people lookin for me if I didnt show up, didnt make me embarrass myself by knocking on doors.

And they didnt teach hatred to other groups, many people do hate muslims, i have a negative connotation of them myself and have racial stereotypes that get me now and then, but I dont expect God to condone that...

And they didnt give obnoxiously simple answers when questioning the faith.

But the answer is truly that simple Dom... With the Spirit there is no doubt, without the Spirit you can't understand.

That our One Shared God is perfect is something I believe in. But strident unwavering belief in God is dangerous when weaponized....where we assume powers of judgement and executioner we cross a line ...one based on rational thought of right and wrong, and one based on empathy and a morality that looks at what would be fair to do to you in a given circumstance?

If you kill someone, what should be the consequence to you? If you believe I deserve to die and roast in hell and even wish that upon me, that really has no consequence to me so to me just harmless thinking you are totally free to engage in unltil and unless you somehow think harming me is justified because I have to be sped up along my road to hell, or because you feel you can make my life a living hell on earth.

But that brings it all back to us. A perfect, just God exists, its just that the devil is in the details

Luv ya Tony. Truly think you're a good guy. But you hardliners always got an explainaway. );

If you believe in one perfect God then you must accept His perfect judgment. The Qur'an calls men to judge, not the Bible... even though, for political motivations, professed Christians have done so. But then, many men in the name of many false gods have done so throughout history. You're right to say that the fault is with "Us" and our flawed systems of governance and religions; But I can't emphasize enough that Spirituality is a personal, individual relationship with God that's every bit as unique as every individual on this earth. The collective logical mind of man says if everyone would just shut up and agree then we wouldn't have any problems. Problem is, we would then have to agree upon what's logical lol. There is only one God, and He is the source of all truth. Until we agree upon that, man's logic be damned. The Devil is just a liar.

Explanations are easy when all you have to do is tell the truth

JAPOV wrote

"We" keep forcing God to operate within "Our" imperfect system.

Really???

Yes, lol. Think about it, our minds can't truly comprehend what is is to be God. So, we're constantly trying to shrink God down to what we CAN comprehend in order to fit Him into our own limited intellects. Man's will and God's will have never really been compatible...

Perhaps you should use the words "we keep trying to force God to operate within our imperfect system...so that our minds can handle the unknown. Of course, humans can never force God to do anything ever.

Remember the Christian joke... You know how to make God laugh? Tell Him your plan for your life.

Tony

I agree with you that the intelligence capable of creating the universe is not even within the ability of our imaginings
..Yet...religious dogma does exactly that. Over and over.

You should quit telling people what God thinks or wants them to do.

True, but then consider... Is the earth today what God had in mind for us, or is the world today what WE made of His creation?

You should quit telling people what God thinks or wants them to do.

Just tell people what God says through His Word. He'll handle the rest.

Ill Answer the creation question.... People didnt invent earthquakes, Volcanoes, Hurricanes, Famine, Drought, Let alone all the dangers lurking In space. So why are you blaming people for ruining HIS creation?

Make it so The Earth dont shift God.....

Well, that wouldn't be any fun lol... Considering how much scripture there is regarding how we should conduct ourselves.

JAPOV wrote

True, but then consider... Is the earth today what God had in mind for us, or is the world today what WE made of His creation?

At no point in time past, present or future will I ever contemplate that question or even seek to find the answer to it. On June 9, 2021 the Earth is exactly as the Earth is and God is fully aware of the Earth in its present state, and our role in the process. As I said before, on this thread, there is much I do not know and questions unanswered. I expect, when I move on, those things will be revealed to me, Until then, by Faith I believe. That is as complex as it will ever get for me. It brings me great peace to my very existence.

Not one thing wrong with Vnorths take. You just cant try to argue on a level of logic, it's not there.

Wow! Never? Why?

Personally I find great "unexplainable peace" and solace in the fact that God's will is done despite what we think or do. That's what faith and prophecy is all about

First of all on June 6th I had my 74th birthday and I am not really interested, at my age, in seeking out answers to questions that will never be answered by God to me while on Earth. Trying to figure out those answers through dialogue with other humans is not time well spent for they will never know the answers. More importantly, in this thread, I see most people, on both sides of the debate bringing into the conversation, the thinking of God or the questioning of His behaviour. So often the opening line about God is....If your God is such a loving God then.....fill in your own question.

I do not question His actions I only try, and often fail, to follow His Word. He does not have to give me any answer to anything He does. The Bible give all of us many commandments, beyond the 10, that we are to follow and not one of us on this Earth follows them all. But the reason why Christ came was about our sins. And in the end His death allowed the relationship between God and mankind to be restored. FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD.......

There are overwhelming forces , on Earth, dedicated to trying to insert the wedge between us and God. I fail, often, in my daily existence but through Faith I have the belief my sins have been forgiven and so I then start anew to try and do my best to follow His Word.

Thank you, JAPOV

May all be in the genes

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7147-genes-contribute-to-religious-inclination/

You're probably right V, much of this has become a very circular argument with those who just wish to be obstinate... Shame, should have been writing lyrics this whole time...

Oh, wait... I have been

Now you're talking LOL

WooHooo! I got the Jesus gene baby! Sure coulda' been worse

See there is a reason Japov is this way....

So, Lol, what's your excuse?

Watch 1983 on Netflix

Great alternate reality story

Poland. Modern day. Different reality. Totalitarian government due to terrorist incident in 1983.

Great friends with Vietnam and the rest of the communist world

Its an honest cop tale in a dystopian reality

It says that "Jacob wrestled with God"

I too have wrestled with God many, many times in my life. That wrestling match is between you & God guys...A move God may need to use on me, He would never use on one of you.

But, 1 thing I am convinced of...We ALL "Wrestle with God at one time or another in our lives"...

So show grace & mercy, as your fellow man wrestles with God...It's not your fight anyhow. It is between that man & God

The flesh will always lose

Just started this... Any thoughts welcome

Thy Will Be Done

It�s my life to be grateful for
But not my life to lead
The world is my dominion
But not mine to possess
My wants are overrated
I have all I need
The Spirit is my guide
In faith I'm truly blessed

Well Said Steve, We all struggle. Priests, Scientists, Pastors, Ministers, if it was so easy, it wouldnt be called faith.

I remember my Mother talking to her grand kids about God. My niece says "where is he" He's everywhere.... How come I cant see him? Cause he doesnt live here, he lives in Heaven... Will I go to Heaven too? Sure, you will, But you have to ask God to let you go.

Went on for a while, was funny for me, Kids know how to ask questions lol

I'm kinda guessing this is EXACTLY why Jesus said "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven...

Kids ask questions not to be pains in the asses but its what comes out, but then they accept your answers and it sticks, thats the difference between them and adults. Hopefully we have good people giving them the advice.

There is certainly nothing more resolute than the blind faith of a child, and such faith should be tenderly nurtured. However, be mindful of the difference between approaching God with such sincere childlike humility, and complaining like a child when confronted with God's eternal and infallible truth.

lol, would it matter if you complained like a child or not? If you're damned, you're damned.

Obviously that would depend entirely upon your reason for complaint Dom...

And what is Gods truth? If I can piece this all together, ill be in good shape.

It's hard for me to imagine you put you faith in Hal Lindsay, I mean that right there undermines YOU. Id never believe any figure who rakes in those kind of figures to tell me about a GOD, who is NOT interested in money, and believes that it's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to get into the kingdom of Heaven.

What does Lindsay and his 42 million dollar bank account think of that?

Sell everything you own Hal, and follow Jesus. Or I wont even ask that, sell 50% of your worth, and follow Jesus.

The Bible is not a historical document, it intersects with history Yes, people, places, things, but The Red Sea being parted by Moses, is not a historical fact, even if there may have been a sea that did some sort of parting at some time. That Moses did it is not a fact.

Jesus rising from the dead is not a historical fact, but the bible says it.

Jesus turning water into wine, is not a historical fact, but the bible says it.

What you have with The Bible is a spiritual belief with some worldly events thrown into the picture.

It will always be required that the reader take a massive leap of faith and try to believe what it says.

What would it take to make you believe Dom?

I know what it wont take, it wont take Hal Lindsay....

I get you feel compelled, you want me to be excited and believe like you do. I dont have a reason why there is this gap, i think it may have to do with what religion you are, how you grew up with it.

But you weaken your ability to sway me with unsupported claims.... The Bible is not a historical document. If I quoted the bible instead of historical facts in school, id flunk every test i took.

You believe strongly, no problem with that, there is just nothing concrete to based that belief on. It's all gut, intuition,

I have an easier time believing stuff that is rooted in reality and science.

Wasnt always that way, I was raised Catholic, and we believed in all sorts of stuff, I used to ride my bicycle up to the church/school, on the feast of the blessing of the animals. Carry my dog in one hand, and ride him to get blessed. It felt great, I really felt God was going to take care of my dog after that. It's about WANT, we want to believe in a God, because the alternative sucks.

Unless you are born into the world with a great set of tools to be awesome....

Born with MONEY, shew, makes life easier. Born with Good Looks. Shew, makes life easier. Born with a great personality and likability, you're going to enjoy life.

Born poor, ugly, no talent, no brains, and MANY ARE lol. There are some people who have ZERO working for them, it's a plus to know that a God might exist, and you one day will have it all too.

But you dont see many Millionaires (Hal Lindsay included) taking the passages about wealth in the bible, too seriously, its only for those who dont have it.

Have you ever heard a rich man saying money dont buy happiness? In fact, it DOES buy happiness.

Have you every seen a good looking person saying looks dont matter? LOOKS DO MATTER, and science can prove it

I believe religions were born out of this. Now God, that might be an entirely different thing altogether. God may not be something to exalt, but something that we are already a part of being here.

I dont know really, but dont quote a millionaire who made his money off such people i spoke of.

Lol...You're right Dom, the gap between us is completely unexplainable. For example, I believe the fact that we're even having this conversation is a bonafide miracle considering how old the Bible is. But why do you seem to go out of your way just to criticize "ME" for not agreeing with you?

And don't bring up Hal Lindsey again, if you won't watch then you don't know. You've gone out of your way to make this "personal" between us... Why?

Not personal, you just happen to be in it all the time, and you started the thread. If Everette was saying the same stuff id be saying it to him too. Everette is different in his explanations are even simpler than yours, but he doesnt retaliate, he disapears, i dont know where he goes.... somewhere mysterious like the Holy Trinity is mysterious...

But I will tell you honestly, you speak as if you have the inside scoop, and everybody else is hanging on for dear life.

Your ideas center around this world not mattering at all, to some, this is all we have, so we better enjoy it, we KNOW we are here, we DONT KNOW if well be anywhere else, but you say different.

The people who hate their life here, are mostly depressed mentally ill people, give them meds and they will enjoy their life here again

We eat so we can live , why not just starve to death and then be with God for enternity.....

We get a 401k to plan for retirement, because we KNOW retirement will come...if were fortunate enough.

We know sending our kids to college will benefit them, so that they may have a good life.

We get vaccinations and get checkups to safeguard our lives.

Society does everything it does to keep societ moving, and to make the quality of life as good as possible, but your theories are as if none of that matters, its all about revelations.

THIS life is important. Its all we have at the moment. After life gives hope, but its all hope right now.

But the fact that you so adamantly defend The Bible, but yet wont go and get a vaccine. And the only reason you wont is cause we have a democtaric president , its your doctrines in your mind that are annoying.

Believe Noahs ark but dont believe in corona virus..... Thats borderline insanity.

Even in your songs, you sing in a way that is very arrogant, as if you have some sort of information that is undeniable.

When I think of religion I think of Saint Francis, peace, humility and

or even Elvis Costello. tell me what's so funny bout peace, love and understanding?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssd3U_zicAI