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Well I suppose the only consolation will be that MAC's music came from Mac, although some computer might be able to fiogure out where your ideas were inspired by.

So your brand might be safe, until you got famous enough for somebody to box it.

i think right now the object is to copy the top famous person of each style. People will bore of somebody writing mccartney melodies all the time.

but if it were able to meld the best of pop music from the last 50 years, it may well turn out a number of hits before even those sounds get old

I guess there will always be a need a for a new McCartney, that might be our saving grace, as the computer will only be copying what it receives.

but I'm convinced the software as is could write better songs than alot of humans right now, today.

I iamgine a program that plays eddie van halen solos will be made, but once millions of people own the software, eddie van halen solos will sound generic!

I think thats how pop music survives with a new face entering the picture, wrestling too!

Other mind bending thoughts...

So much of pop music is copied from and even stolen (Blurred lines) that, this might fit very well in pop music.

So much of all music is all copied from something else.

And imagine the law suits, maybe that might put an end to it, cause if the program happens to spin out something similar to "Beat It" theres gonna be infringement suits.

Even so, as a reference it will be crazy. Ask it to play a cross between Madonna and Pink Floyd, out comes a tune. You then change it a bit, and you have a unique song, and nobody would be the wiser.

Hmmm...

A new genre – “counterfeit music”.

When I compose… every measure, every micro-measure, every note and their infinite durations, every modulation, the counterpoint, the melody, the dynamics, the arrangement, and the essence of the music is guided by my inner most feelings and emotions. The music comes from the root of my very being, of who I am, how I feel, how I look at life, and then touched by my God-given soul. For whatever it is (good or bad), it can never be created by a heartless, unfeeling computer. And maybe it can trick some listeners into thinking it is more than counterfeit music. I feel sorry for that listener.

Even the contrapuntal, mathematically perfect music of J.S.Bach has a heart.

Music with a heart:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...24FD286B1254DF34F89024FD286B1254DF34F890

John

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Mac was the one who called it rediculous, I concured. But give him credit for NOT calling it rediculous if u like.

Its rediculous to people who work on music, and have devoted their lives to their craft.

it takes business away from a musician who was able to come up with musical bits, and puts it in the hands of people who played guitar hero, instead of learning to play guitar

Its great for the consumer, and the person who doesnt want to bother with learning how to compose or play an instrument, ill grant you that, it's just like downloading music is great for the listener, spotify, is great for the listener, for the musician, it's not so fun.

As was pointed out, its not something new where not being a musician has suddenly become the new norm to make music, but this is a step in a weird direction.

It cuts out all the songwriters and jingle writers, and guys like John "Schick"? Whos talents were in demand, they wont be for long if this continues.

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Actually, please show me where I mentioned Mac saying it was not ridiculous... I didn't. I thanked him for bringing the article up and responded to him in the first sentence. Bugsey, it isn't all about you, in fact, it rarely is.

People could say using a non-piano to play acoustic piano parts is cheating. Worse, using a "string" sound from a keyboard is cheating since you're not playing a violin, nor are you an actual orchestra. This is simply one more tool. And guess what? This is nothing compared to what is coming. They will easily in our lifetimes (i.e. 20 years maybe less) have technology that will allow you to "think" your music into an interface and have it come back as finished tracks. I have seen early demos of pieces of technology that will be combined with others to make this reality. Won't that be awesome? Original classical composers for the most part composed much the same way.. in their heads, then wrote it out longhand via sheet music for each instrument. Then we had affordable symphonies and bands who could just play it out as it was being imagined. Then you had the synth revolution which allowed 1 person to play ALL the parts, one or more at a time in layers to fill out a complete performance of what was in their head. So why not just go right from your head to finished music, EXACTLY as you hear it in your head? I think it is very exciting. Down the road, perhaps beyond our lifetimes, they will be able to do this with thoughts and films, imagine memories duplicated as people recall them captured this way. Imagine its use in justice cases where we could SEE what someone saw to prove innocence or guilt.

Sure, there's a sci-fi element to all this, but trust me, imagine what Mozart could have done with these tools and imagine all the future Mozarts doing it, it will be a great thing for human expression!

Where’s the passion in this new technology? How much passion can come through a lifeless computer App? I’m all for computer software used in the production stage, but not having a senseless computer replaced man’s creative role.

My passion comes when I sit at the piano with pen and manuscript. There’s no passion in the production stage for me, only skill.

No matter what happens in the Music Industry, my passion for creating music will never cease – because the passion isn’t in the technology – it’s within the human mind.

John

Um, Well,
I seem to remember the Chinese having committee's composing Classical music! Don't know how it all worked out. Beam me up Scotty!

Hopefully it's a human committee and not a computer committee Ray.

John

I like this quote by Cyril Connolly:

"Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self"

John

John,

If you are using any technology to make your music, it is no different than using advanced technology to do the same. As you stated, the "passion" is in your mind, and the music you make there is where the talent and imagination is. Thinking it and then tools producing what you envisioned is the same as today.

Sure, having something randomly put a song together is a toy. But most instruments as toys until a talent uses them to make something amazing. I doubt something amazing will come from a random generator, but guess what? It was amazing creativity that built that technology in the first place. That is where the genius occurred. That is more about passionate programmers than musicians. No different than Pixar programmers who create the tools to do the acting. It's amazing talent even though visual acting is much different. Sometimes via mimicry, often using facial recognition to turn a human into a turtle. They are new tools and in the right hands, will turn out amazing passionate projects. Meanwhile, no one stops you from doing it your way. In a free society, that is always possible just as some people still create covered wagons in their workshops as there is still a need and desire and appreciation for that skill and passion to do it.

Brian

Can't wait to see it tour and play live

"They are new tools and in the right hands, will turn out amazing passionate projects" Brian

Maybe I misunderstand this new technology. Doesn't this App create the music itself, i.e. chords, melody, rhythm, etc.? So where is the passion in composing? It’s not a tool for the composer – it replaces the composer with pre-programmed music bits & pieces. Kind of like putting a puzzle together with preselected shapes (within the programmer’s box).

Don’t misunderstand me, I’m all for technology that aids the composer in the production stage. Programs like the EWQL Symphonic Orchestra are wonderful. I mean, how many composers have access to their own live symphonic orchestra? And yes, freedom to choose means also freedom to disapprove. Which I whole-heartedly do.

I can’t help but wonder how many young minds will use this technology and never experience the passion of really composing.

Hope I'm not coming across like those holier-than-thou elitists that I hated in my early years. Some of those longhairs were so snobbish they even put-down Scott Joplin’s piano rags – imagine.

John