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Hi Folks,
fresh off the presses. Still a little shaky, and my computer is giving me fits about my reecording process. (must be the change in volume of my singing on this one) Got it as clear as I could for now.

anyway....... I made a few minor changes in Bobbie's lyrics for flow...... Hopefully not to many, or too severe.
How's it fly?
Our assumption is that this needs a much more gutsy voice to do it justice. (but I work for free, so for now, that's what ya get

The Face on Every Can
© 2003 Bobbie Gallup & Harriet Ames

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/harrietamesmusic.htm

vs1
I was sittin' eatin' breakfast
And I went to pour some milk
Couldn't help but see the face
Of somebody needin' help

Been missin' several months
No one knows where they've been
Suddenly it hit me
What to do about my man

Ch
I'll put his face on every can
Of beer that's sold
And before he gets any older
And our bed gets any colder
Someone is sure to recognize
The face that's been anodized
Perhaps they'll have some sympathy
And send him home to me

vs2
I'll call up Coors and Busch
And Miller Brewing too
I'll buy some advertising space
I'll see what they can do

We'll start a beer alert
To help us womenfolk
Keep track of all our husbands
Who like to wet their throats

I'll put his face on every can
Of beer that's sold
And before he gets any older
And our bed gets any colder
Someone is sure to recognize
The face that's been anodized
Perhaps they'll have some aympathy
And send him home to me

Br
It's not that I don't know where to find him
It's just that someone has to remind him
He just loves a beer or two
But after he's had a few
When it's time to leave
He forgets_ that_ he's_ with_ me____

So I'll put his face on every can
Of beer that's sold
And before he gets any older
And our bed gets any colder
Someone is sure to recognize
The face that's been anodized
Perhaps they'll have some sympathy
And send him home to me

Just send him home__ to me

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Harriet
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/harrietamesmusic.htm

[This message has been edited by Harriet Ames (edited 12-19-2003).]

Harriet and Bobbie:

I tend to listen for the merit of the song, not the genre of the singer. Good songs come through everytime, particularly with talented "Americana" on the vocal and playing the guitar. That's not to say that a demo down the road might not include a bit of twang on the vocal and a slide guitar and fiddle in the background if this song is pitched country, but for now, it's just fine, though I would correct the obvious typos and change a few words in V1 and the chorus.

V1
I was sittin' eatin' breakfast
lookin' at another face
milk carton showing someone
disappeared without a trace

(chorus) - the anodized line probably will not register with many people, and those who are familiar with that process will know that is not how labels and pictures are placed on aluminum cans...

I'll put his face on every can
Of beer that's sold
And before he gets any older
And our bed gets any colder
Someone is sure to recognize
my lesser half seen nationwide
Perhaps they'll have some sympathy
And send him home to me

Happy Holidays!

P.E. Knudsen

[This message has been edited by Knute (edited 12-18-2003).]

Well soundclick was up so I got to listen.


Have to say I like Knute's fixes. The anodized is a clever rhyme but he's right, and his fix is spot on plain English...and his fix in v1 works too.


So keep at it you two, this one has hit written all over it.

Hey girls this is just cool alright and I've followed it all the way through.

I like Knute's suggestions and think they are an easy fix.

I like his "lesser half" line.

Good work on this and very little to fix.

Please remember to wave from the limosine.

Eric

Thanks Knute,
another vote for ditching ANODIZED. I'm not so sure having the exact correct meaning there is needed. Many (me included) will just go along with the assumption that it's the proper word, considering it isn't in our every day usage.
I think we'll probably leave it in,,,,,, until a publisher says "we want this song, but you'll have to change that line." (we can dream big, can't we?
Bobbie really should be answering these word issues. (copping out here

Can't see anything wrong with your version of verse one, except that I wasn't aware that it needed fixing. But then I'm just the composer here.


Thanks John,

As I mentioned to Knute, not sure verse one needed any changes.
and you know Bobbie. she loves an unusual rhyme. Me too, for that matter, but that one is her baby. good luck on getting her to pull it.


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Harriet
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/harrietamesmusic.htm

Howdy Knute & John (hey wasn't that the lovely Aussie babe from Grease?),

I daresay Knute may be technically correct regarding how beer cans or other cans are labeled these days. However, when I was responsible for interpretive services for MN State Parks, we did use one type of interpretive sign that was anodized aluminum. The photographic process we used could apply images and created an indelible surface which could contain both text and pictures. Harriet is right though..I just like the anodized/recognized and the milk/help rhymes, so until a publisher or producer says it has to go, I wanna stick with 'em. JMO, of course. In this business, minds can be changed...though I am sure Dawg would swear that mine cannot. LOL

Sure do appreciate the thoughts on this.

Bobbie

Thanks Eric,
But as you can see by Bobbie's reply to Knute and John, changing that rhyme is gonna take "professional" strength. ........ as in contract.
can't say I disagree with her either. but as the lyricist it IS her call.

wave from the limo???
trust me, if I got to that point where I was due the limo ride, I'd probably jump on a bus and be jumping from seat to seat telling everyone WHERE I was going and why. ......or else rent a bus for all my "folks"
but thanks for the belief

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Harriet
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/harrietamesmusic.htm

Ladies:

My comments on V1 and suggested changes were made to clarify the ambiguity I felt may have some wondering in V1 just whose face she was looking at. Was it on the milk? No carton is mentioned. Was she looking across the table at her 15 year old daughter who, like most, could use some help? Those were questions that immediately came to mind. Though one can probably "assume" what V1 meant after hearing the entire song, sometimes it's a nice touch to let the audience know exactly where you are headed in the first four lines.

I do agree that anodized is clever and rhymes well. Still, anodizing is a process to chemically treat aluminum to prevent the dull aluminum oxide surface that develops over time on untreated aluminum. Numerous colors can be achieved using the process, but no images or logos can be applied using that process.

Still, I suppose if you can have a "Boy named Sue," anodized images on beer cans is also possible in a lyric.

As Always...

P.E. Knudsen

Howdy Knute,

I just hate to hafta tell somebody that they are wrong..but in this case I suggest you check out the folks at Metalphoto to learn more about the process they use to create images on aluminum. http://www.horizonsisg.com/metalphoto/ I'm not saying that is how most cans are labeled today...but it certainly could be used.

Metalphoto is the company we used to purchase the process to make the signs we used at several parks. The process definitely "can" and does allow the incorporation of images. If you check out the section on SIGNS you will see some very detailed images there of drawings and photographs that have been used.

"Metalphoto is xceptionally Durable...
Metalphoto® anodized aluminum nameplates and panels combine unusual durability with a long-lasting quality appearance. Metalphoto® nameplates and panels function perfectly for years, maintaining their original good looks under a broad variety of challenging environments, including high temperatures, long term outdoor exposure, abrasion, salt spray and most chemicals.

Metalphoto® gets its durability from the fact its unique process imbeds the image within a sapphire hard anodized layer.

The National Association of Graphic and Product Identification Manufacturers, Inc. (GPI) defines Metalphoto® as the most durable aluminum substrate, citing superior abrasion, heat and sunlight resistance.

For over 40 years, Metalphoto® has been widely specified for applications that require extended exposure to weather, salt water and abrasion. You will find Metalphoto® parts on aircraft brakes, Navy destroyers, the International Space Station, restaurant equipment and outdoor signs. It is the right choice whenever the appearance, legibility and longevity of information plates in challenging environments is important."

I may be blonde..but in this case..I at least do have the facts to back up my use of the word 'anodized'. LOL Gimme a break here.

Holiday hugs,
Bobbie

[This message has been edited by Bobbie Gallup (edited 12-20-2003).]

Bobbie:

Most of us who join a patent law firm were engineers - chemical engineering in my case - before we went to law school and several of my clients were aluminum manufacturers and fabricators. The information you provided refers to the aluminum substrate which, in fact, is anodized as I stated earlier to prevent aluminum oxide from dulling the surface of the substrate. But if you read the specifics at the Metalphoto site regarding placing images on the substrate you will see the following:

"The Metalphoto family of photosensitive anodized aluminum products require a high contrast film, negative or positive, to produce an image. You can make the film through traditional wet photographic film processing equipment, direct to film dry thermal imagesetters, film substitutes, or through your local film service bureau."

So far as I know, "anodized" aluminum and its alloys are not even used in the beer can industry. Ultra thin aluminum as used in beer and soda cans is not even suitable for anodizing.

The actual can making process is listed below in detail:

Making A Two-Piece Aluminum Beer Can:

1. Cup blanking and drawing: Press punches out hundreds of cups per minute from huge coils of aluminum.

2. Ironing and doming: Cup is forced through a series of rings to iron out cans to full length and form bottom dome.

3. Trimming: Cans are spun as cutting tool trims to length.
 
4. Cleaning: Washer cycles hundred of cans per minute through multiple cleaning stations.
 
5. Printing and varnishing: At printing station, cans are rolled against cylinder to print up to four colors simultaneously.

6. Bottom varnishing: Cans are conveyed past applicator that varnishes bottom.

7. Baking: Cans wind through conveying system in oven to dry and set lithography.

8. Inside spraying: A protective specially compounded coating is applied to inside of cans.

9. Baking: Trip through funnel oven bakes and cures inside coating.
 
10. Necking in: Can necks are reduced at top to fit the designated end size.

11. Flanging and testing: Can rims are flanged for future double seaming of ends. Then, each can is mechanically tested for leakage. Finally, cans are automatically stacked in cartons or on pallets for shipment.

The major disadvantage of anodized aluminum is that it does not produce the bright finish that beer and soda manufactures demand, so VARNISH is applied to thin sheet aluminum after PRINTING to produce the high lustre look...

If you love anodized, use it, but that is not how images are placed on beer cans, believe me.

More Hugs for the Holidays to my favorite blonde and Dawg's better half - his words <g>

P.E, Knudsen


[This message has been edited by Knute (edited 12-21-2003).]

Too ripped, gotta go!

[This message has been edited by Tall_Terry (edited 12-21-2003).]

Bobbie:

Considering that anodizing is a "chemical" process that puts a colorful, but somewhat "dull" look on the surface of the outer skin of aluminum, there might be a parallel between that anodized surface and the face of a guy who is spending too much time pouring beer down his throat. It does show in his complexion over time. That said, this may be an alternative chorus that gives anodized a different twist:

(chorus)
I'll put his face on every can
Of beer that's sold
And before he gets any older
And our bed gets any colder
that face that's lookin' anodized
will be the one that's recognized
Perhaps they'll show some sympathy
And send him home to me

P.E. Knudsen

[This message has been edited by Knute (edited 12-21-2003).]

Howdy Knute,

I do appreciate your efforts to eddikate me regarding the making of beer cans. However, I specifically did not state that the process used to place images on surfaces like we did with Metalphoto WAS the process used for beer cans...but it could be. Though it takes forever to download the info from their site when you only have a dial up modem, I pulled this info off the Metalphoto site to provide a better understanding of how this process actually works. It COULD be used to create an image on any aluminum substrate...even a beer can. The image is actually imbedded IN the anodizing. I have actually worked with this process in our sign shop. I know precisely how it works. I was merely trying to avoid getting too technical and boring the heck out of folks here..but as you have the background to understand this..here is the description of the process..the basic ingredient of which is "anodized aluminum".

"Metalphoto® gets its durability from the fact its unique process imbeds the image WITHIN a sapphire-hard anodized layer.

100 THE METALPHOTO FAMILY
1.1
101 INTRODUCTION
The Metalphoto family of photosensitive,
anodized aluminum products is part of a total
and unique imaging system that offers these
distinct advantages:
· Photographic flexibility - anything that can
be photographed in line or halftone can be
reproduced with total fidelity.
· Direct imaging - process directly from production film to imaged plate, no intermediate plates or screens are required.
· Durability - the image is sealed within the
anodized layer making it impervious to
acids, fungus, salt spray, moisture, weathering, temperature extremes, and most corrosive atmospheres.
· Ease of fabrication - a fully processed and
sealed plate can be fabricated into a finished product using normal fabricating
equipment and techniques.
This versatile family of products and coloring systems consists of:
· Metalphoto plates - black images on a silver background or silver images on a black
background.
· Pre-Dyed Metalphoto Plus plates - black
images on colored background or colored
images on black background.
· Pre-Dyed UltraColor plates - colored images
on a silver background or silver images
on a colored background.
· Clear UltraColor plates - the same imaging
options as Pre-Dyed UltraColor plates but
extended range of colors available.
· PolyColor plates - adds multiple colors on
a silver background.
· Background coloring - adds an overall
color to the silver portion of a Metalphoto
plate.
· Selective coloring - adds color to selected
areas of the silver portion of a Metalphoto
plate.
102 PURPOSE OF THIS SECTION
The intent of this section is to present, in a non-technical fashion, how the qualities of
each product are achieved both in manufacturing and processing. This knowledge will aid in the selection of the proper combination of products for a specific project.
110 THE BASIC INGREDIENT -ANODIZED
ALUMINUM
The branches of the Metalphoto family tree
have the common root of a precise and consistent pore structure in a transparent, anodic layer on a base of premium-finish aluminum.
(Fig. 110.1)
The various imaging characteristics of the
Metalphoto family of products are determined
by what we do with these microscopic
pores.
111 METALPHOTO PLATES
We manufacture a Metalphoto plate by filling
each pore with silver salts, transforming the
inert sheet of anodized aluminum into a photosensitive material that reacts to light much like photographic paper. (Fig. 111.1)
When a standard litho or rapid access film
negative (or positive) is placed in contact
with this photosensitive surface and then exposed to a light source, developed and fixed, the silver salts exposed to the light source through the clear areas of the film are converted to metallic silver which is black in color. The unexposed silver salts, blocked from the light source by the dark areas of the film, are washed away. The now empty pores in the clear anodic layer permit the aluminum to show through, resulting in a black image on an aluminum field. (Fig. 111.2).
The final step in processing a Metalphoto
plate consists of immersing the exposed and
fixed plate in a boiling sealing solution. This causes the walls of each pore containing the black metallic silver to swell shut at the surface, sealing the black image within the anodic layer. The empty pores swell shut, become transparent and disappear. The surface
of the Metalphoto plate is now as hard as
sapphire and as clear as glass, with the black image suspended in the anodic layer contrasting vividly with the aluminum base
metal. (Fig. 111.3)"

There is a lot more info than this available on their site..but I don't believe this issue warrants any further pursuit. It is a minor line in a fun song and if anyone wishes to push it beyond any reasonable accommodation they are most welcome to do so. LOL I fail to see the benefit. I'd much rather spend my time doing something more constructive...like writing new lyrics or offering critiques for others.

I will add your other suggestions to the file on this song in case it ever gets to a publisher or producer who wants further changes. I DO appreciate the ideas and suggestions.

Much obliged,
Bobbie

I'm the patent attorney, so you might want to give me a break while you're at it. My point from the beginning was that aluminum "canstock" is not anodized for good reason, with or without "imbedded" images in the anodized coating, so what others do in the aluminum fabricating industry is really not applicable to aluminum alloy beer cans.

Could the impure and often recycled aluminum alloys used in "canstock" conceivably be anodized even though it would produce less than ideal results? Anything is possible, but it is unlikely that Coors and the other majors will adopt that process anytime soon.

What I stated in the very beginning regarding what I sensed as the inaccuracy of the "face that's been anodized" line referring to the guys face on a beer can was just as valid then as it is now. I had no idea it would lead to this expose on the aluminum industry I'm rather familiar with, including the ones who make plaques like Metalphoto and those who make their own aluminum alloy beer cans like Coors. It's almost like comparing apples to oranges.

I hate to have somebody tell me I'm wrong even more than you hate doing it. In this case, the more you learn about the industry, the more you will learn just how right I was from the beginning.

Right and wrong never mean that much to me in casual discussions, but in this case, you did seem to want to rub something in based soley on your experience with one company that specializes in "durable" anodized aluminum signs, plaques, etc. Did you ever consider that the last thing the beer industry needs is a "durable" beer can. Think about it...

When Dawg said you were hard headed I should of listened... WOMEN!!!!!

You and Harriet have a good thing going, so go for it!

P.E. Knudsen



[This message has been edited by Knute (edited 12-21-2003).]

You guys crack me up!!! At least I've learnt something about beer cans today. LOL.

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Having Fun!!!!
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/stanloh

LOL Never met a lawyer yet that could tolerate someone who didn't readily acquiesce to their perception of reality. As far as the durability of aluminum...that has already been well-established. It was onw of the reasons why recycling programs were established back in the 60's & 70's and why many states were successful in passing "bottle bills". That issue is also entirely irrelevant to whether or not cans could possibly be anodized...so you can leave your diversionary tactics in the courtroom. LOL You are a hoot. I am not trying to convince you of anything here. I am too old to waste my time on things that have no positive return. Obviously, you choose not to see what my original point was but I do hope you will continue to check out my lyrics. Not many of them are all that controversial...at least IMO.

Dawg is still in training but he is on a steep learning curve. Plus he makes great biscuits!!

Holiday hugs,
Bobbie

[This message has been edited by Bobbie Gallup (edited 12-21-2003).]

Howdy TT,

Sorry I missed responding to ya...was too bizzy poppin the tops on all those beer cans Knute was tossin my way. You can "sneak" back in here with all them lil munge munge munge noises. We luvs ya.

Happy holidaze to you.
Bobbie

Nice work ladies...and I learned a few things about cans too!!! What a post, fun...informative...and involving alcohol!!!
Tony

Bobbie:

I was not aware of any controversy involved in this discussion. Aluminum beer cans are not anodized, which essentially rendered a line in the lyric inaccurate, as I pointed out in the very beginning, and images are never anodized, but rather imbedded into photosensitive anodized coatings in some applications. Still, if anodized is critical to the flow of the chorus, go with it. More than one country tune I can think of has stretched the truth to be clever or make a rhyme pattern work.

You don't have to be a Patent Attorney to know anodized aluminum is not used in beer cans, either, or that aluminum is used not because of its durablity but because of its light weight compared to steel. One only has to call Coors Brewing Co in Golden, Colorado, and even the guy in the little white hat filling the cans will tell you the same thing. Seemed simple enough to me just pointing that out, but you thought otherwise for whatever reason.

Retorts are not really necessary. This is a forum, not a court room where "expert" witnesses can be hired to say anything to support an argument, regardless how far it departs from reality or true industry practices.

Good luck Bobbie and Harriet... This is really a great song overall.

P.E. Knudsen

[This message has been edited by Knute (edited 12-22-2003).]