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Hi Folks,

I am so pleased to have this amazing program back!

This week's pick by Harriet Schock for the Mentor Critique is Collings, Star and Reuter's "Country Girl Approved." She will be posting her critique on Monday night, so starting now we'd like to get all of your critiques on this. Remember, lyrics/mp3's are not chosen on what is best or worst, but rather what will make for an interesting educational discussion of what was done well, what can be improved and basic building blocks for writing strong lyrics and songs. Please jump in and then once Harriet posts, see if you noticed the same points.

Thanks again to Harriet and everyone who has already participated. If you didn't get chosen (or didn't enter) and would still like a Professional Critique by Harriet Schock, or take a class in person or one of her on-line courses, please check her website at http://www.harrietschock.com.

For now, let's hear your thoughts on Dvid, Curt and Daniel's entry! Remember that the writers involved should not post a response until AFTER Harriet posts her critique. After that, please join in the discussion!
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Country Girl Approved
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Verse:
I drive a ‘63 Chevy my Grandpa gave me it gets me where I wanna go
The tail gate's a missin’ it’s a little hard shiftin’ there’s no knobs on the radio
It’s gotta a four-on-the-floor and some rust on the doors and the seats are worn down to the springs
The rods are knockin’ it has trouble stoppin’ but it’s earned every dent and ding
This old trucks got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It’s passed all my test's and never failed
It’s an Eight-Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale
Yeah, it’s American made tried and true
It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Verse:
There’s a place I go where the beer's ice cold and the music’s always hot
The pool tables leanin’ the glasses need cleanin’ but it’s the best this small town’s got
When you walk through door your feet stick to the floor from all the drinks that spilled this week
But no one cares ‘cause this is a where red white and blue collar meet
This Honky Tonk’s got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect but it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It’s passed all my test's and never failed
It’s a Nine Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale
It’s American made tried and true
It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Verse:
He’s six foot two from hat to boot and has a back road pedigree
When the radio’s on he knows every song but sings ‘em a little off key
He don’t mind a little dirt he ain’t afraid of hard work he don’t back down from a fight
He’s a shade tree mechanic and a closet romantic that knows how to treat me right
That country boy’s got the right attitude he's been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know he ain’t perfect he’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in his prime
He’s passed all my tests and he’s never failed
He's a Ten-Point “O” on the red neck scale
He’s American made tried and true
He’s been red neck tested country girl approved
He's been red neck tested country girl approved
Country girl approved

Collins, Starr, Reuter © 2010 BMI



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This is a hot little number and a good kick-off to the re-started critique program. I have seen a few songs from teams with the names of Collins, Reuter and Starr (and others) in them and they are always super-pro with lots of attention to detail and wonderful demos that really showcase the tunes.

I could list all the positives with this song, but that would take too long (ha, ha), so I'll just get to the things sort of stuck out. I've probably listened to the tune about 6 or 7 times.

1.) Lots of songs with word "redneck" in them nowadays. No matter how good a song can be, sometimes a theme just gets worn out a little. Is this one worn out yet? I don't know.

2.) 8.0 on the redneck scale. My immediate thought was 8 seconds on that bull ride. When it went to 9.0 and 10.0 in the next two verses that sort of threw me off a little. I don't think that scale works in your favor here.

3.) V-Ch-V-Ch-V-Ch -- All songs don't need a bridge, but I have to admit that you started losing me by the third round. Maybe it's just the continuous rock and roll rhythm. The song seems long to me, but I know it comes in at under 3:30.

I think that's enough for tonight. I'll come back over the next few days if I think of anything. Real solid song that blows away 95% of all the stuff I listen to on these type forums. I just think it could even be better.

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First, I am glad to see this thread with Harriet back and I am pleased that she chose a song rather than just a lyric. I want to hear it!

This song is good as it stands IMHO. Redneck and country girl/boy are way overused on country radio, but they keep on writing the songs and playing 'em.

The pace is just a little frenetic but with a full band and slowed down a few bpm, the music would be good. The melody sounds country and it sounds current for a honky tonk song.

Seems to me that the point of the song is verse 3 - the country boy. It takes a long time to get to him. Actually verse three could be delivered as a bridge with a different melody and possibly a break in the music. It would make the song more interesting and emphasize the country boy more. Otherwise, the lyrics are well written with some clever rhymes, good prosody and phrasing.

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I like everything about this song: Music, Lyric and Production.

Each new verse image - Car > Bar > Man - lead me straight to the chorus, and each chorus evolves accordingly. There's an 8.0 beginning, a 9.0 middle and a 10.0 ending (these scale increases add to the songs forward momentum, as well). With all points leading to a red neck happy ending. I believe the singer and I'm glad she approves of the way her story plays out.

Also appreciate how the hook is repeated 8 times.

I've had this kind of fun many times before and I never get tired of it. Well Done - Collins, Starr, Reuter (& Sarah Kirkland - the cool Lady singer!).

...cool,
Randy

ps: I love the sound and meaning of a Red Neck Test, it's rhyme-y and the scores tell me what's important to this Country Girl. The man in verse 3 isn't perfect... but he scores a ten where it matters most (attitude, work, music, romance and cars).

pss: Really, really like Sarah Kirkland smile

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Hey....I like the song musically....lyric wise we're good except for the "redneck" part......I'd change that to....

Chorus suggestion:.."HE'S A COUNTRY BOY WHO'S COUNTRY GIRL APPROVED"....feel free to use this without any residuals...lol....

Drop the "redneck tested" out of the verses.....come up with something else there....

Those are my only thoughts....I do like the song and the performance....Bob

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Hi there,

Yes, I am glad to see this program back up and running.

That being said lets go......

I like the lyric, the theme, yes redneck can be overdone but there is still room, Gretchen Wilson is still singing.....:)

I personally think your title should be Red neck scale...to me the chorus felt good at that point then the next two lines were just extra. This way you will also cut down on time.....at about 2 min it starts to drag....not the words but the motion of the song....I would like to see the music pick up a few clicks...
more snappy...crisper...

a thought maybe use the country girl approved as a bridge...

Good luck, this is a wonderful song.

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While I like the song and production I'll keep this short and sweet, Like the song should be.
It is too wordy, too long, and gets monotonous, IMHO. By the third verse I was tuning out. Literally.
I'd rewrite verse one and two into one verse.
I might also drop the first two lines out of the chorus and perhaps use it in a bridge
[/b]I know it(They) ain’t perfect but they're a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime[b]



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Hey all,
hello Harriet, glad to see you back,
this thread has always been very insightful and enjoyable!

A few words, maybe i'll have something else to add later on. But 2 things stand out for me 1) the craft 2) the craft ;-)

1) Very talented guys here, no doubt. The lyrics are very well written, the melody is good, the performance and production are very neat. In fact, I wish I was half as talented as that most of the time.

2) but as the song plays on, this admiration turns a bit into ... boredom is too strong a word, but you see what i mean. Very quickly, I'd need something else or something new. After the 1st verse, 1st chorus, everything has been said, parts 2 and 3 are just variations on the same. Been there, done that. Those variations are very well crafted, not everyone can write at this level 3 times, each and every time as good as the previous one. But ... still variations on the same stuff.

To conclude, talent spills over here. Most of the time, we don't have enough, there's too much here! Even at the micro level (one part, for example verse 1), there's the same phenomenon. Good line after good line, but same idea.
Ex:
'The tail gate's a missin’ it’s a little hard shiftin’ there’s no knobs on the radio, It’s gotta a four-on-the-floor and some rust on the doors and the seats are worn down to the springs, The rods are knockin’ it has trouble stoppin’ '

Wow, how many talented ways to say it's an old car! But soon, admiration turns into expectation: OK, after a few lines, I got what you mean, in the country, things are rough around the edges but they're real, I'm a Country girl and I like that. Nice beginning - though a bit overused, maybe - and now what? Where does that lead? WHat's the sequel of the story? What's the story?

PS: don't misunderstand me. I truly think these guys are stuffed with talent :-) Just would like they use it to take me somewhere emotionally.

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Cool song. Hi Harriet. smile

The previous posters had a lot of good points. As far as some of the nits go, maybe you could wait until after the second verse to go to the chorus.
You could tie the two verses together by making the first line of the second verse refer to the truck being driven to the hot spot. And it's flying down the road to where the beer's ice cold. Well, that probably doesn't work, but you get my meaning.

The "redneck" also kind of stopped me when it comes right before "country girl." It makes me, for whatever reason, think that a guy and a girl have approved it.

I like the internal rhyming a lot in the verses, but you could change it up a little in that money line. Maybe vary the rhythm around. That old truck's attitude is the right attitude. (Pause, maybe instrumental lick or roll on the drums.) It's COUNTRY GIRL approved.

Then in the chorus you could play around with that line in a different way and add a whole bunch of other stuff between red neck and tested. Red neck, fleece vest, new boots, too cute, blue jeans, two-step queen, apple pie, shot of rye ... whatever says country girl to you, but stretch out the line over a bunch of measure to give it emphasis so the listener is waiting for you to say Country Girl Approved.

One nit I see, and I don't know if a listener without the lyrics would notice it, is that the song compares the truck and the honkeytonk to the guy. But the truck and honkey tonk are despite ramshackle and worn out, but the guy isn't.
Maybe he could be, and the last payoff would be that she is too, but they're still going strong.

Anyway, a fun listen. Thanks.


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Good to Have Ya Back, Mz Harriet! It's like Old Times Again..YAYYY!!!

C,S, & R's "Country Girl Approved" comes atcha like a Kansas Tornado...So Fun-Filled with GREAT Detailin' it must be a Bitch to Memorize...

SO many Well-Turned Lines, yep, does kinda Leave Ya Tired by end of V3. BUT, I really ENJOYED the Ride! Vocals, Production, Pacing were all Right-On in my book..(Tho..maybe a bit more Guitar Solo between V2 & V3...to let Audience rest-up a bit before V3 arrives. If What's-Here is a Demo, this Brevity's Understandable...)

The "8-Point-O" perked my ears up...since I honestly DIDN'T know the Range OF the "Redneck Scale". Sure-Enough, the Changin' Chorus on V2 had a "9-point-O"...& yep, guessed-right that it was a "Ten" comin'-Next-Verse! (This kinda Suspense-Building for The Listener was pretty interesting..& Brilliant, JMO.)

The Progression from Pickup, to Bar, to Bubba...was Country-Logical, too..as Each Got-Better.

I liked it enough I'm a-goin' Right Back for Another Listen!
CONGRATS Y'all!

Best Wishes/Big Hugs,
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Someone please do me a favor and ask all the others who posted a lyric or mp3 to jump in and participate. The true value of this experience is in DOING the critic and interacting with everyone on what works and what doesn't. Then when Harriet posts, you see what lessons she brings to the table and how it compares to your own observations. It is much easier to learn a lesson when it is someone else's song being discussed. That should be the goal for all involved. Learn how to write better songs.

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I enjoyed listening to the song.

Good country tune.
Nice vocals and musical production. The lyrics work but are a bit wordy. The term "redneck" is overused but if it fits use it.

It's a good song that can only get better.

Fine work all around.

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Howdy All, I've heard & enjoyed many great tunes from the folks involved in this one. But from the first time I read this lyric a while back, I've been unable to get past all the words. There is
just so many of them! I always just read first, then I'll listen.
On my reads of this, I thought "NO WAY" they can cram all these in. But they did, & when I listened i was impressed that it
could even be done. But unfortunately it sounded like, they
crammed them in. Many good lines, but I think most could be said
much more concisely, and the same things are covered again &
again from different takes and angles.
I'm no musician, so I'll avoid that whole end of things.

I'll finish by saying I think there are fresher subjects, out there, & catchier hooks to work with

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Welcome back Harriet!

I will start out by saying .. there is so much to like about this song! It is fun. Moves along great .. Great Images .. i swear i could feel my shoes sticking to that dirty bar room floor laugh

Great Job .. on its way to perfection!

I probably should not have looked at other responses before writing my own .. but i did blush .. not to steal idea, but i did note like thoughts .. so with that..

I agree that the lines seem somewhat wordy in spots; maybe look to see if there are some extra words that could come out to make the flow even smoother.
As much as I was enjoying the song I found it getting long for me ... trying to see how to change that .. do you need 3 verses?? maybe a bridge instead ...
If you were to cut something .. i think verse 2 & 3 are the strongest .. although verse one is great and has creates wonderful images of that ole car.. for me, with verse one it starts off as "another redneck car song" -

Redneck?? i didn't need to hear that,is there something else instead? then you could remove my least favorite line in the chorus - It’s an Eight-Point on the Red Neck Scale - I think i may be reacting to the use of Redneck .. sorry.

But back to my first line .. there is SO much i like about this song.. It is a WINNER!!
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Here's a possible edit containing all the images I thought were important. Of course the "NEW" last lines of each verse would need a melody/harmony face "lift" - to replace the one's now missing - but the chorus changes seem to fit the original melody (if you squint your ears real hard).

That said, the chorus did have a wee bit blah-some drop after the 4th line, maybe these changes to lines 5 and 6 will encourage the lyric/music to continue climbing up to the Title Hook (in the way they did when these phrases refrained the original verses).

Than again, I'm really gonna miss the sound and feel of "...American made tried and true" - aarrgh!

As far as a bridge ...hm? Perhaps the third verse could change up music-wise, to add some contrast, but I still like what's left of this verse lyric As Is.


Verse:
I drive a ‘63 Chevy my Grandpa gave me it gets me where I wanna go
The tail gate's a missin’ it’s a little hard shiftin’ there’s no knobs on the radio
It’s got a four-on-the-floor and some rust on the doors and the seats are worn down to the springs
The rods are knockin’ it has trouble stoppin’ but it’s earned every dent and ding


Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It's American made and never fails
It's an Eight-Point “O” on the Hell Yeah! Scale
This old truck's got the right attitude
It’s been Redneck tested country girl approved

Verse:
There’s a place I go where the beer's ice cold and the music’s always hot
The pool tables leanin’ the glasses need cleanin’ but it’s the best this small town’s got
When you walk through the door your feet stick to the floor from all the drinks that spilled this week
But no one a cares ‘cause this is a where red white and blue collar meet


Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It's American made and never fails
It's a Nine Point “O” on the Hell Yeah! Scale
This Honky Tonk's got the right attitude
It’s been Redneck tested country girl approved

Verse:
He’s six foot two from hat to boot and has a back road pedigree
When the radio’s on he knows every song but sings ‘em a little off key
He don’t mind a little dirt he ain’t afraid of hard work he don’t back down from a fight
He’s a shade tree mechanic and a closet romantic but knows how to treat me right


Chorus:
I know he ain’t perfect he’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in his prime
He's American made and never fails
He's a Ten-Point “O” on the Hell Yeah! scale
That Country Boy's got the right attitude
He’s been Redneck tested country girl approved
Country girl approved


ps: Rednecks Rule and Gretchen Wilson doesn't own the phrase "Hell Yeah!" cool

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I get the feeling that I haven't supported the site much since judging the awards other than BS'ing on the shout box and starting some trivial threads, but I hear a calling to participate, though I'm not a good critiquer (new word). I don't like to critique because I don't know how to. The purpose of this forum is to teach me how to critique, but it's like waking up early in the morning. I don't want to.

I listened to the song. It sounded like what I would expect to hear if I tuned in to a country music radio station. Which is good. I know it's a demo, but the musicianship was good, everybody in tune and on key.

The tempo was too fast for my ears, and I had to catch up with the lyrics. Yes it is wordy, but the tempo could be brought down a little bit. Don't rush it for the sake of 3 minutes and 30 seconds. You don't have to be that accurate.

"Redneck" is used so much these days that it boarders on offensive, but I sure can't think of an alternative phrase. Others have commented on that, so you get the picture.

I like the way you folks fit the same chorus into three different verse scenario's. Pretty clever.

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I am so glad this forum is back up. Hopefully enough people will participate this time. smile

When I heard this song, my first impression was that it was just jammed packed with great images, internal rhymes all over the place, lively upbeat tempo, fine musicians and singer. It is the very definition of what we should strive for in order to get into the country music market of today.

Unfortunately, for me, I don't know much about country music so maybe I'm judging this on a very superficial level. I know I could never write anything like this so I have a lot of admiration for those who can. It's got a good beat and you can dance to it and it doesn't make my ears bleed so I like it.

On the other hand, it seems to conform to the formula that is country music today, and in that regard it doesn't stand out from all the rest for me. It's clever but not particularly unique. I'm not sure what any of this means. Just some thoughts.

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I really enjoyed this. The descriptive imagery is very good. I like the rhymes and especially enjoyed the consistent internal rhymes. I can "see" exactly what she is talking about. The story moves along well. Favorite wheels, favorite place, favorite guy. It's very cute. I felt the words fit in just right and I like the tempo as is too. The accompaniment suits it fine. The singer's performance was very good which enhances the song. The "Red Neck" scale threw me a little. I think it was all the 0s. I didn't get the allusion to the Richter scale until a little later. Maybe if you said 5.9 or 6.9, I would have caught on sooner. It's a cute idea building on the idea of the earth moving.

I like the melody - I feel like I have heard it before, but then a lot of country songs are kind of like that.

I don't think it needs a bridge but I do think it needs some trimming. The hook is repeated too often. Sometimes you can include the hook as a last line in a song and also in the verse but sometimes it doesn't work. I do not think it works here, either lyrically or melodically. It's overkill and the melody of that line works against the melody as a whole. It doesn't sound like it fits.

If the last line of each verse were dropped, the lyrics would still make sense and the melody of the 4th verse line will easily lead into the chorus.

Verse:
I drive a ‘63 Chevy my Grandpa gave me it gets me where I wanna go
The tail gate's a missin’ it’s a little hard shiftin’ there’s no knobs on the radio
It’s gotta a four-on-the-floor and some rust on the doors and the seats are worn down to the springs
The rods are knockin’ it has trouble stoppin’ but it’s earned every dent and ding
This old trucks got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It’s passed all my test's and never failed
It’s an Eight-Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale (Leave out the lick and go right to the next line.)
Yeah, it’s American made tried and true
It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Verse:
There’s a place I go where the beer's ice cold and the music’s always hot
The pool tables leanin’ the glasses need cleanin’ but it’s the best this small town’s got
When you walk through door your feet stick to the floor from all the drinks that spilled this week
But no one cares ‘cause this is a where red white and blue collar meet
This Honky Tonk’s got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect but it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It’s passed all my test's and never failed
It’s a Nine Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale (Leave out the lick and go right to the next line.)
It’s American made tried and true
It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Verse:
He’s six foot two from hat to boot and has a back road pedigree
When the radio’s on he knows every song but sings ‘em a little off key
He don’t mind a little dirt he ain’t afraid of hard work he don’t back down from a fight
He’s a shade tree mechanic and a closet romantic that knows how to treat me right
That country boy’s got the right attitude he's been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know he ain’t perfect he’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in his prime
He’s passed all my tests and he’s never failed
He's a Ten-Point “O” on the red neck scale (This time, it will sound good as is.)
He’s American made tried and true
He’s been red neck tested country girl approved
He's been red neck tested country girl approved
Country girl approved

Collins, Starr, Reuter © 2010 BMI

Anyway, I enjoyed listening to this. It seems to me that it would be good to dance to as well, either line dancing or Western Swing. Good luck !


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I'm not much into country and this is as country as they get. I'm with Jean in taking the hook out of the verses. Too much "redneck" for my taste. Excellent phrasing and internal rhymes. Familiar melody that seems like I've heard similar melodies many times in a rocking country song. Seems like it would play well live and on the radio. A few tweaks and you're ready to go.

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Welcome back Harriet and hope all is well with you and yours.

This is bonified Country given the subject matter, the vocalist, and the melody. I must say that this is some very good writing and the melody held my attention and felt right. It could be just my taste, but I felt it was alittle too busy and since the lyric was so well written I wouldn’t know 1. should I cut 2.would I cut or 3. could I cut?? (a lot of help I am). I notice each Verse and Chorus is progressive given their content and so it almost necessitates keeping all three verses to set up each of the 3 Chorus’. Unless you did away with one verse but then which Final Chorus?? The words and rhymes and clever writing make you want to make this all work somehow but I felt rushed. Because of the fast tempo, sadly some of the words/lines get lost, although I was able to read the print, a listener would not have that advantage. Perhaps an ever so slight slow down in the tempo might provide the big fix.

My congratulations for finding someone who could sing this, fit in all the words, have it sound as good as it does and not be out of breath. I guess I felt out of breath listening, and that is my biggest complaint. But alas, it may be just me and someone like Gretchen Wilson could pull if off.

Love the "red, white and blue collar meet" line in the 2nd verse. Many other good ones, but that one really stood out.

Great job all around and very commercial sounding. Like I said, it might be me feeling too caffeinated while listening, but if there is a general consensus on that issue, it might be worth looking into.

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I've got nothing much to say 'cause I like it too(?) much.

Great imagery! Each verse paints a picture that comes straight across. The image of a valuation scale is terrific. That's a very tight construction towards a love song with a nice "Aha" effect.

As for "redneck" versus "country", I certainly would have preferred the politically less suspicious word "country" (I use to think "Klu Klux Clan" when reading or hearing "redneck" - possibly rednecks actually are not THAT evil..).

As for the music it's a very tight production as well. I don't think that a bridge is needed, I enjoyed it a lot as it is.


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First time in a month I've been able to spend a minute here and what a nice surprise. Great to see this forum and Harriet back!

I'm not generally crazy about redneck songs but I really like this one. I DO like songs with a rapid fire delivery so I wasn't bothered by that at all. The internal rhymes in this are fantastic, imo.

I think a superb video could be made out of this. The whole thing could be tied together by (as Joyboy suggested) driving the truck into the honky-tonk and then, a little later on, having the guy meet her there.

The music has a great driving feel to it that fits well with the lyric.

This feels pretty close to me - but it IS the critique forum and I DO feel it needs a little something so....

I'm not bothered by the word redneck. I've certainly seen men take offense to it when called the name, but I've also seen them proudly use the term to describe themselves. The way it's used in the song here seems pretty clearly aligned with the latter...

I think it's the sheer number of times it's used that bothers me. My suggestions would be:

(1) Drop the last line of each verse. Lyrically, the verses flow into the chorus nicely enough without it. Of course the melody would have to be changed.

(2) In these lines in the chorus:

It’s a Nine Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale
It’s American made tried and true
It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

replace the word redneck in either the first or third line and keep the other one.

As much as I like the music, I DO think it could use a change-up somewhere. Normally I'd suggest a bridge but I think you could possibly get by with just a short guitar solo. That, and building the production as the song proceeds might be enough to keep it from becoming monotonous. I should mention that it never was monotonous for me, though my background is filled with songs that have three times as many verses as this one smile

Very cool song!

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P.S. I wondered if using 9.8, 9.9 and 10.0 instead of 8.0, 9.0 and 10.0 might get the point across sooner. Maybe just to folks who watch the Olympics.... smile





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Hi Guys. Congrats on having your song chosen.
I have posted and commented on this song before- as I know it has been on at least 3 boards:) but I will do it again so that no one will think I didn't participate:) coolhehe..

I would slow it down one notch because the words are catchy as h*ll, as is the singer, but you miss some of them

and leave off the phrase at the end of the verses..
This old trucks got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved
because I feel the hook is there enough in the chorus and it kind makes it more effective...to wait and hear it there..too much of a good thing....and even though it doesnt say truck..bar man...in the chorus you know it is speaking of that particular thing...

I am not offended by Redneck..it is all in how the word is used..in gest as a fun term nothing wrong with it..now if you say, you beat your wife, live in a trailer, and you are a redneck..then it is sterotyping...and acting hateful, but in this I think it just means country gal,real down home country gal and not in a bad way.


Maybe a small short, musical bridge, but I always enjoyed this song and best of luck with it!! Kimberly

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Changed my mind, again. This time with complete disregard for the wonderful melodies (I tried doing a little selfish editing... here and there.). And I've also placed a temporary "la,la,la" in the chorus where something meaningful, without the word "test", should be.


Verse:
I drive a ‘63 Chevy my Grandpa gave me it gets me where I wanna go
The tail gate's missin’ it’s a little hard shiftin’ there’s no knob on the radio
It’s got four-on-the-floor some rust on the doors and the seats are worn down to the springs
The rods keep knockin’ it has trouble stoppin’ but it’s earned every dent and ding

Lift:
This old trucks got the right attitude...

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect, it’s a one of a kind,
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime.
It's been ?la,la,la? and never failed,
It's an Eight-Point “O” on the Hell Yeah! Scale.
It's American made, tried and true,
Redneck tested - Country girl approved.

Verse:
There’s a place I go the beer's ice cold and the music’s always hot
The pool table's leanin’ the glasses need cleanin’ but it’s the best this small town’s got
When you walk through the door your feet stick to the floor from all the drinks spilled this week
But no one a cares ‘cause this is a where red white and blue collar meet

Lift:
This Honky Tonk's got the right attitude...

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect, it's a one of a kind,
A little rough around the edges but still in it's prime.
It's been ?la,la,la? and never failed,
It's a Nine Point “O” on the Hell Yeah! Scale.
It's American made, tried and true,
Redneck tested - Country girl approved.

Verse:
He’s six foot two from hat to boot and has a back road pedigree
When the radio’s on he knows every song but sings ‘em a little off key
He don’t mind a little dirt ain’t afraid of hard work he won't back down from a fight
He’s a shade tree mechanic and a closet romantic who knows how to treat me right

Lift:
That country boy's got the right attitude...

Chorus:
I know he ain’t perfect, he’s a one of a kind,
A little rough around the edges but still in his prime
He's been ?la,la,la? and never failed,
He's a Ten-Point “O” on the Hell Yeah! scale.
He's American made, tried and true,
Redneck tested - Country girl approved.

Country girl approved.


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Verse:
I drive a ‘63 Chevy my Grandpa gave me it gets me where I wanna go
The tail gate's a missin’ it’s a little hard shiftin’ there’s no knobs on the radio
It’s gotta a four-on-the-floor and some rust on the doors and the seats are worn down to the springs
The rods are knockin’ it has trouble stoppin’ but it’s earned every dent and ding
This old trucks got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It’s passed all my test's and never failed
It’s an Eight-Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale
Yeah, it’s American made tried and true
It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Verse:
There’s a place I go where the beer's ice cold and the music’s always hot
The pool tables leanin’ the glasses need cleanin’ but it’s the best this small town’s got
When you walk through door your feet stick to the floor from all the drinks that spilled this week
But no one cares ‘cause this is a where red white and blue collar meet
This Honky Tonk’s got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect but it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It’s passed all my test's and never failed
It’s a Nine Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale
It’s American made tried and true
It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Verse:
He’s six foot two from hat to boot and has a back road pedigree
When the radio’s on he knows every song but sings ‘em a little off key
He don’t mind a little dirt he ain’t afraid of hard work he don’t back down from a fight
He’s a shade tree mechanic and a closet romantic that knows how to treat me right
That country boy’s got the right attitude he's been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know he ain’t perfect he’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in his prime
He’s passed all my tests and he’s never failed
He's a Ten-Point “O” on the red neck scale
He’s American made tried and true
He’s been red neck tested country girl approved
He's been red neck tested country girl approved
Country girl approved

Collins, Starr, Reuter © 2010 BMI

Sometimes I like to choose a song that's very strong in order to point out what works, rather than pointing out what doesn't work, which may be instructive in a way, but only tells you what not to do, not what TO do. This song does most everything right. I have some suggestions, of course, because I'm a songwriter and another songwriter will usually have suggestions. I feel pretty strongly about mine, this time, though. But let me say before I get there that this song, in my opinion, has tremendous craft, excellent prosody of words fitting music, smooth intricate rhyming internal and otherwise, good rhythm of the melody and nice familiar yet not overly cliched chord changes and, of course, fabulous guitar and vocal.

Now for the points where I think it could be stronger, and where I think the posters could be stronger:

Those of you who have read me before know that random apostrophes give me hives. In the lyric, "test's" should be
tests" in first two choruses and last line of first verse should be "truck's" not "trucks." Apostrophes are rampant these days appearing where they shouldn't be when it's a simple plural and not appearing where they're actually contractions.

Those who think there are too many words should listen to current pop music, even current country. Maybe from the influence of rap, there are many words, set to intricate rhythms. There can't be a bunch of words crammed into a regular ballad, but in a song with rhythm like this, it's traditional to have a lot of words, provided the prosody is flawless, which this is except for one place: When she sings "no knobs" in the first verse, the "no" gets lost because it requires more note value. I suggest cutting "There's" in the phrase "There's no knobs" and it would work perfectly.

I agree with those who think there should be a bridge, but I do not think it should be the third verse. The third verse should come after a short bridge. How about a short two line bridge that stretches the lines out and gives a lot of value to each word...something about maybe there's a reason you're so accepting and easy to please, 'cause there's somethign that keeps you in a good mood. Maybe not that but something that leads us into the verse about the guy...or something on the order of "People say when you're in love, everything looks beautiful so maybe that's the reason...well...He’s six foot two from hat to boot and has a back road pedigree..." These are suggestions and not words. I'm trying to suggest a short bridge with longer note values to each syllable that leads into the guy verse...something that might be a bit more philosophical about how she feels and why.

I'm not sure about 3 minutes and 30 seconds being a rule; if it is, I've never heard it as an iron clad one. Look at all the songs that are longer and shorter. So regarding tempo, I don't think it's not too fast because people are accustomed to quick cuts in music videos, etc., so much so that films are frequently fast cut now, to their detriment in my opinion. But the public is accustomed to hearing an up tempo lyric come fast and in rhythm. If it didn't fit the music so well and have speed bumps like internal rhyming which helps the ear slow down for a second and the mind digest, it might seem wordy. Many songs are wordy at a much slower tempo becuase the way the words fit the music is simply not hand in glove as this one is.

I agree with Randy Gendron, Jean Bullock and others that the last line of each verse should be omitted. You don't want to give away your hook before you get there in a song like that. It's like saying your punch line before the end of a joke. If this were a verse, verse, bridge, verse song, I'd leave the hook there. But you have it in the chorus so I would definitely remove it at the end of each verse. You might also remove the riff after "tried and true" in the chorus, but it's not a deal breaker. I just don't think you need it and when it happened, the chords sort of disappointed me because I'd heard them quite a bit and it stopped everything. I think without the hook in the verse, you will find you don't need it.

"Red white and blue collar"? What's a red collar? I know it's a reference to the Flag and all that, but it has to work both ways and to my knowledge there's no such thing as a red collar unless that's another way of saying "rednecks." If so, I think that's a bit of a reach. While we're on the subject of rednecks, I looked it up to make sure that I understood it and here's what I found: "An uneducated, unsophisticated, or poor white person, typically used to describe residents (of either gender) of the rural US; The nickname given to miners who wore red bandanas for identification during the West Virginia mine war of 1921 (Wiktionary slang def.). Maybe the poster who thought these folks were Ku Klux Klanners (notice spelling--it's not "Klu" but "Ku") has heard Randy Newman's satirical song, "Rednecks" but that's not the definition thought of when a redneck speaks of himself or when rednecks are referred to in a country song. Some folks simply have trouble with the word "redneck" and even with country music. Thanks for your honesty whoever posted that. I don't see that as a problem. It's in the vocabulary. Yes it's been used but so have the I, IV and V chords. It's the kind of familiarity that makes people feel secure--not a worn out cliche. However if you feel you want to use "redneck" fewer times, even after you've cut the last two lines of the verses, you could replace the first one in the chorus with something else like "small town" or "hell yeah!" as Randy suggested, which I like.

Whoever wrote the line about your feet sticking to the floor is a real writer, who observes those little things about life that make songs, poetry, novels, literature of all kind impactful. Those details make us realize we're part of a large group called human nature, and we feel less alone and isolated.

This is a fun, up-tempo country song with a lot of real life in it, for people who live in small towns. To expect this to be Chekov is unrealistic. You can't judge the perfect apple to be wrong just because you're looking for an orange. Sure, in other writers' hands, this song would be different, maybe even better to the tastes of some--and please don't judge it by whether it gets cut. Ask yourselves this: Have you heard songs inferior to this one on the radio? Have you heard songs with a melody less memorable written by the artist? Have you heard songs that didn't have this level of craft winning awards or making a lot of money? You simply can't use that as a standard. You just have to make a song the best that song can be and except for what I've noted, in my opinion, this one has achieved that.

Regarding the familiarity of the melody and chords, many people will think it sounds familiar. I think it was Irving Berlin who said the songwriter has to walk the thin line between familiarity and plagiarism. But to people outside of this genre--like people who never listen to country music--it will definitely sound like something else. That's like an alien who comes to earth and thinks two men look exactly alike because they both have two arms and two legs. There are certain conventions of country writing that over half the songs in that genre have or do and that actually makes the listener feel secure. It's not reason for a lawsuit. Of course, I'm not familiar with every country melody. You could hum it into your Iphone and see what comes up, if you have that ap.

There were a lot of interesting and well-written songs posted, all of which I enjoyed. Thanks for posting them. I chose this one because it's not easy to write a wonderful up-tempo song and many artists are looking for up-tempo songs to complete their CDs. It's much easier to get up-tempo songs cut. I would be surprised if this didn't get recorded but this industry never stops surprising me. I would definitely make the changes and start pitching it to film and TV, other artists, websites where you can post your songs, wherever people go to hear music. I'd also make an instrumental track of it and pitch that. As wonderful as the lyric is, there's a lot of demand for instrumentals and this would be a good one. The guitar playing is really great.



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Yea, what she said (ha, ha). I think dropping that last line in every verse and adding that short bridge that stretches out words (different singing cadence) would go a long way towards making it even better.

I'm still not crazy about the 8.0, 9.0, 10.0 thing, but it is pretty small potatoes. Pretty good tune and best of luck with it.

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Harriet
Thank you so much for doing this.

I had to let this one gel a little after I read Harriet's Critique.
I have been a strong proponent of economy of words in Country music.
This one sounds country to me but on the other hand I guess that's subjective. I have friends that would say it isn't.
So I guess I'd have to say Country Pop?

In any case I still prefer economy of words. Some of my favorite songs only have 8 or ten lines in them and are still 3 minutes long.

But the more I listen to this one the more I like it. Even if it is a little long winded for my tastes.
What's funny is my own earlier efforts were even longer than this one. smile

But we've been hammered with the idea of less is better. Give it some room to breath. Heck let the singer breath.
The singer on this one didn't seem to have a problem.

I did like this from the start. The internal rhymes were magnificent and the words flowed off the tongue real easy. That's a must at this tempo and with this many words to sing.

So I guess I have to admit I was probably to quick to judge this one.
I could and very well might get to hear this one on the radio some day.
Good job all around.
And the guitar work was as good as it gets.

Having said all that I still think it could have been done with fewer lines. But there's so many great lines in each verse I don't know which ones I'd scrap.
The lyrics were very well written with some really good images and lines and as Harriet pointed out the Prosody was near perfection. Just a couple spots where the meter was off a beat or two but that's it.

I would lose the redneck line in the verses though.
Then there would be no need to change redneck to anything else.
BTW I consider myself a bit of a redneck. But mostly in attitude.
I don't take offense. Some might though.


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"When you walk through door your feet stick to the floor"

I never mentioned that line in my critique, but I didn't care for it too much. Mainly because I cleaned quite a few bars in my youth and I didn't much like those sticky floors (ha, ha). However, I did like finding all the money that was dropped on the floor or in the bench seats.

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Kevin I had mixed feelings about that line.

It was genius in a way. Very real and showed that attention to detail that makes a song great.
But when I first read/heard it my reaction was to draw away. Especially with Redneck being used the way it is.
My first reaction was EEWWWW....YUK I might be OK with being a redneck but I don't want to be classified as trashy or nasty. I prefer places that clean the floor once in a while.
There was a song years ago with the line
"I just reached out and kicked old green teeth right in the knee"
The singer had stopped in this backwoods bar (I don't remember if redneck was mentioned or not) but the song painted the bar as being a place you would not want to take your mother.
But the line was great. And because the guy with green teeth was a bad guy it was OK.

The line in this song makes it appear hanging out in a place that doesn't clean their floors and, I must also assume, other places is a good thing. It's one thing to be poor, or have a beat up truck, or live in the country; it's another to be trashy and nasty.

So while it might be a nice attention to detail line it didn't conjure up visions of a place I would spend my time.

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I commented that "redneck" boarders on offensive, and not that I was offended. The word can be used to offend, but obviously not in this song. I've never refered to myself as a redneck, but have used it in an insulting manner in the past. But still I think that it's overused in country music even in a fun and lighthearted manner, but if it works for the listeners it works. Just my opinion.

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Now..I just wonder when the writers are gonna come back and comment... smile

They are really fortunate to have had all these critiques..and to be chosen to be by such a talented person as Harriet.

It was a wonderful gift for her to give her time and do this...

I hope we get the chance again.

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Kimberly,

I just went to songramp and sent a site mail to the poster to let them know to come back! I know they are super busy writing, writing, writing, but I am sure they will be appreciative of all the critiquing going on.

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Hey guys, hi Harriet,

I was a bit ashamed to find the pro critique was so very good when I myself had found nits to pick.
First reaction: I'm still not able to know a hit song when it kicks my bottom! Grr!
Second reaction: went and had another read & listen; asked myself: what is it that prevents you to just say it's all good?

I already said it, it's as crafty as it can get, lyrically, musically, performance-wise. I still think it is, really impressive.
I already said it too, this craft-level is what I see and hear first and foremost ... and nothing much beyond that. Question is: am I blind and deaf (and maybe stupid by the same token?
: -))

So I tried a little experience and imagined the same song poorly crafted: same story but lame lyrics, boring melody, poor demo, etc.
Kind of:
My truck's an old truck and I like it a lot
It's my Granddad who gave it to me
And it still works fine, there's just a few problems
Such as missing parts or tired brakes
And I think old cars are better than new ones
They got souls and a long history
Here in the countryside we sure appreciate it

Well, crazy thing is: now I can see it's a story worth telling!

I don't know if I'm making my point clearly here - more like beating around the bush - I think the craft is too obvious here - can I say that? - and it sorta takes the precedence over the ideas. Something like that.

OK, I tried. Maybe it's just me :-D

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I could have spent an hour reading the comments on this fab song here! Wow! I love it!

But I am not in love with the title...didn't draw me in. Think Redneck Tested Country Girl Approved would be a better title, but then "redneck" songs turn me off! But not this one!

Great job you 3!

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Kimberly,

I just went to songramp and sent a site mail to the poster to let them know to come back! I know they are super busy writing, writing, writing, but I am sure they will be appreciative of all the critiquing going on.

Kevin

Hi Kevin..Oh no diss meant toward them..I know how busy they are..I have coll. with them...LOL smile They are the little engines that could...go go go and ...they are a talented bunch...Curt and David..for sure!! Kimberly


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hi again,

just a quick post to add I totally respect Harriet's opinion and the writers' talent - in case I didn't express myself properly.

I also respect this forum a lot. The most important thing we can learn here is how to critique others' songs well so we can apply this skill to our own songs. When there's a difference between what I say and what other people say, I don't try to make my point so to prove I'm right. I try to understand better the reasons for which different people have reached different conclusions, so I can learn, grow, and maybe eventually say not too stupid things.

Have a great day, everyone!


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Yann: Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. From your review, it seems that you had two issues:

1.) It got a little "too much the same" as the song when on.
2.) The good crafting is "too" obvious.

Hello, I think the majority of the amateur critiquers agreed with you. Now, the good thing about Harriet's review (and a few other posters) is that they pointed out a few ways to solve #1. If #1 gets taken care of, #2 goes away. It is only because you got a little "bored" that you started noticing the "craft" (ha, ha). In great songs, the craft is sort of transparent.

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It's funny that I mentioned Charlie Daniels song "Uneasy Rider" in my post about the sticky floors.
Talk about wordy? And I thought this song was too wordy? And yes Uneasy Rider has redneck in it.

http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/daniels-charlie/uneasy-rider-10979.html

Did anyone notice "Country Girl Approved" could have been taken right out of a Foxworthy routine?
You could take all the items and make one liners out of them.
You might be a redneck if you drive a truck with.....
You might be a redneck if you hang out in a bar with.......
You might be a redneck if you are a person that......

Very good guys

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"Uneasy Rider" featured some fine acoustic "Flat picking" guitar. He said "Kind of a redneck joint called the Dew Drop Inn". That was the only reference to "redneck". Charlie was a "hippie" (If you can believe it). Hippies and rednecks didn't mix in those days.

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Howdy All, Gus here. I guess if I'm gonna be wrong, might as
well be wrong all the way, huh? Next time someone says one of mine is wordy, I can just refer them to this lyric, & tell
them if this ain't wordy, how can mine be???.. grin ......Gus


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Howdy All, I've heard & enjoyed many great tunes from the folks involved in this one. But from the first time I read this lyric a while back, I've been unable to get past all the words. There is
just so many of them! I always just read first, then I'll listen.
On my reads of this, I thought "NO WAY" they can cram all these in. But they did, & when I listened i was impressed that it
could even be done. But unfortunately it sounded like, they
crammed them in. Many good lines, but I think most could be said
much more concisely, and the same things are covered again &
again from different takes and angles.
I'm no musician, so I'll avoid that whole end of things.

I'll finish by saying I think there are fresher subjects, out there, & catchier hooks to work with

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I started to walk away, but then remembered that this was to learn all we could. So I'm back to distill and streamline as if it were my own, & I hope you all will point out where I go wrong
with the way I see this tune.......Thanks Gus

P.S.= Please excuse the ALL CAPS. My hand is killing me today,
& i just couldn't make myself retype it. Cuz i only spent appox.
30 minutes writing the words that i saw. i realize the meter is
all screwed up, but my only point is that, the same story, with
plenty of color & detail, could be presented much more
concisely. even this is busier than needed, but i was trying to
include all the same nice soft rhymes, etc. I believe I also
included few more pertinent details, while side stepping the
"REDNECK" issue between "Backroads" & "Backwoods" = much the same feeling, but less negative connotations , & less cliche'

Please understand that I proudly refer to myself as a card
carrying{N.R.A.LIFE MEMBER}, PATRIOT,REDNECK & MULESKINNER,
or any other term that refers to someone who believes that
embracing the old values from our past, is critical to our
future wellbeing. It holds zero negative connotations for me.



Verse:
I drive a ‘63 Chevy my Grandpa gave me it gets me where I wanna go

GRANDPA'S OLD PICKUP, HAULS ME ANYPLACE I GO

The tail gate's a missin’ it’s a little hard shiftin’ there’s no knobs on the radio

IT'S TUFF TO SHIFT, OR TUNE IT IN, KNOBS GONE ON THE RADIO

It’s gotta a four-on-the-floor and some rust on the doors and the seats are worn down to the springs

GOTTA GRANNY GEAR 4 SPEED,RUSTED OUT DOORS,YOUR BUTT CAN COUNT EVERY SPRING

The rods are knockin’ it has trouble stoppin’ but it’s earned every dent and ding

OLD RODS KEEP KNOCKIN', AIN'T MUCH AT STOPPIN', EARNED ALL
THOSE SCRAPES & DINGS

This old trucks got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved

GRANPA'S OLD TRUCK, IT'S GOT ATTITUDE,BACKROADS TESTED, COUNTRY
GAL APPROVED

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect it’s a one of a kind

FAR FROM PERFECT, YEAH,ONE OF A KIND

A little rough around the edges but still in its prime

DAMN ROUGH ROUND THE EDGES, & WAY PAST IT'S PRIME

It’s passed all my test's and never failed

ACED ANY TEST, AIN'T NEVER FAILED

It’s an Eight-Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale

SCORES A 8.9 ON MY BACKWOODS SCALE

Yeah, it’s American made tried and true

PURE AMERICAN, TRIED AND TRUE

It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

BACKWOODS TESTED, COUNTRY GAL APPROVED


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where, oh where have the selected songwriters gone?
I hope they found out that their names were drawn
I guess this can happen, although I don't think it has
and now we're just left discussing Zac Brown's a**

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hmmmmmm!!!!!


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A show of appreciation would be nice since this forum is hanging by a thread (no pun intended).

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Well if nothing else Harriet sure gave me a dose of reality.
I'm still glad the thread is here and this song was picked.
Thanks Harriet.
I'd say it's time to move on

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I decided to email Curt and tell him that he and David need to check this out...

I co-wrote one song with them about 8 months back..though I am not in touch with them as much, they stay VERY busy...and seem to be overrun with projects...they are doing some good work out there, from what I hear.

Maybe he will read the email and they will come and check out the wonderful critique and advice they had on their song.

I know I would love this forum to continue and perhaps other lyrics to be chosen as it is a wonderful learning experience.

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Hey all, I am SO sorry I didnt know this was going on! I just sent an email to David and Daniel to let them know. I have been away from the boards lately and am SO sorry I missed it all. I am SO honored to have our song picked for this Critique. I have not had time to read it yet, but wanted everyone know how much I appreciate your feedback! Now I am going to read. Thanks so much JPK!!!

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Originally Posted by harriet schock
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Verse:
I drive a ‘63 Chevy my Grandpa gave me it gets me where I wanna go
The tail gate's a missin’ it’s a little hard shiftin’ there’s no knobs on the radio
It’s gotta a four-on-the-floor and some rust on the doors and the seats are worn down to the springs
The rods are knockin’ it has trouble stoppin’ but it’s earned every dent and ding
This old trucks got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It’s passed all my test's and never failed
It’s an Eight-Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale
Yeah, it’s American made tried and true
It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Verse:
There’s a place I go where the beer's ice cold and the music’s always hot
The pool tables leanin’ the glasses need cleanin’ but it’s the best this small town’s got
When you walk through door your feet stick to the floor from all the drinks that spilled this week
But no one cares ‘cause this is a where red white and blue collar meet
This Honky Tonk’s got the right attitude it’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know it ain’t perfect but it’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in its prime
It’s passed all my test's and never failed
It’s a Nine Point “O” on the Red Neck Scale
It’s American made tried and true
It’s been red neck tested country girl approved

Verse:
He’s six foot two from hat to boot and has a back road pedigree
When the radio’s on he knows every song but sings ‘em a little off key
He don’t mind a little dirt he ain’t afraid of hard work he don’t back down from a fight
He’s a shade tree mechanic and a closet romantic that knows how to treat me right
That country boy’s got the right attitude he's been red neck tested country girl approved

Chorus:
I know he ain’t perfect he’s a one of a kind
A little rough around the edges but still in his prime
He’s passed all my tests and he’s never failed
He's a Ten-Point “O” on the red neck scale
He’s American made tried and true
He’s been red neck tested country girl approved
He's been red neck tested country girl approved
Country girl approved

Collins, Starr, Reuter © 2010 BMI

Sometimes I like to choose a song that's very strong in order to point out what works, rather than pointing out what doesn't work, which may be instructive in a way, but only tells you what not to do, not what TO do. This song does most everything right. I have some suggestions, of course, because I'm a songwriter and another songwriter will usually have suggestions. I feel pretty strongly about mine, this time, though. But let me say before I get there that this song, in my opinion, has tremendous craft, excellent prosody of words fitting music, smooth intricate rhyming internal and otherwise, good rhythm of the melody and nice familiar yet not overly cliched chord changes and, of course, fabulous guitar and vocal.

Now for the points where I think it could be stronger, and where I think the posters could be stronger:

Those of you who have read me before know that random apostrophes give me hives. In the lyric, "test's" should be
tests" in first two choruses and last line of first verse should be "truck's" not "trucks." Apostrophes are rampant these days appearing where they shouldn't be when it's a simple plural and not appearing where they're actually contractions.

Those who think there are too many words should listen to current pop music, even current country. Maybe from the influence of rap, there are many words, set to intricate rhythms. There can't be a bunch of words crammed into a regular ballad, but in a song with rhythm like this, it's traditional to have a lot of words, provided the prosody is flawless, which this is except for one place: When she sings "no knobs" in the first verse, the "no" gets lost because it requires more note value. I suggest cutting "There's" in the phrase "There's no knobs" and it would work perfectly.

I agree with those who think there should be a bridge, but I do not think it should be the third verse. The third verse should come after a short bridge. How about a short two line bridge that stretches the lines out and gives a lot of value to each word...something about maybe there's a reason you're so accepting and easy to please, 'cause there's somethign that keeps you in a good mood. Maybe not that but something that leads us into the verse about the guy...or something on the order of "People say when you're in love, everything looks beautiful so maybe that's the reason...well...He’s six foot two from hat to boot and has a back road pedigree..." These are suggestions and not words. I'm trying to suggest a short bridge with longer note values to each syllable that leads into the guy verse...something that might be a bit more philosophical about how she feels and why.

I'm not sure about 3 minutes and 30 seconds being a rule; if it is, I've never heard it as an iron clad one. Look at all the songs that are longer and shorter. So regarding tempo, I don't think it's not too fast because people are accustomed to quick cuts in music videos, etc., so much so that films are frequently fast cut now, to their detriment in my opinion. But the public is accustomed to hearing an up tempo lyric come fast and in rhythm. If it didn't fit the music so well and have speed bumps like internal rhyming which helps the ear slow down for a second and the mind digest, it might seem wordy. Many songs are wordy at a much slower tempo becuase the way the words fit the music is simply not hand in glove as this one is.

I agree with Randy Gendron, Jean Bullock and others that the last line of each verse should be omitted. You don't want to give away your hook before you get there in a song like that. It's like saying your punch line before the end of a joke. If this were a verse, verse, bridge, verse song, I'd leave the hook there. But you have it in the chorus so I would definitely remove it at the end of each verse. You might also remove the riff after "tried and true" in the chorus, but it's not a deal breaker. I just don't think you need it and when it happened, the chords sort of disappointed me because I'd heard them quite a bit and it stopped everything. I think without the hook in the verse, you will find you don't need it.

"Red white and blue collar"? What's a red collar? I know it's a reference to the Flag and all that, but it has to work both ways and to my knowledge there's no such thing as a red collar unless that's another way of saying "rednecks." If so, I think that's a bit of a reach. While we're on the subject of rednecks, I looked it up to make sure that I understood it and here's what I found: "An uneducated, unsophisticated, or poor white person, typically used to describe residents (of either gender) of the rural US; The nickname given to miners who wore red bandanas for identification during the West Virginia mine war of 1921 (Wiktionary slang def.). Maybe the poster who thought these folks were Ku Klux Klanners (notice spelling--it's not "Klu" but "Ku") has heard Randy Newman's satirical song, "Rednecks" but that's not the definition thought of when a redneck speaks of himself or when rednecks are referred to in a country song. Some folks simply have trouble with the word "redneck" and even with country music. Thanks for your honesty whoever posted that. I don't see that as a problem. It's in the vocabulary. Yes it's been used but so have the I, IV and V chords. It's the kind of familiarity that makes people feel secure--not a worn out cliche. However if you feel you want to use "redneck" fewer times, even after you've cut the last two lines of the verses, you could replace the first one in the chorus with something else like "small town" or "hell yeah!" as Randy suggested, which I like.

Whoever wrote the line about your feet sticking to the floor is a real writer, who observes those little things about life that make songs, poetry, novels, literature of all kind impactful. Those details make us realize we're part of a large group called human nature, and we feel less alone and isolated.

This is a fun, up-tempo country song with a lot of real life in it, for people who live in small towns. To expect this to be Chekov is unrealistic. You can't judge the perfect apple to be wrong just because you're looking for an orange. Sure, in other writers' hands, this song would be different, maybe even better to the tastes of some--and please don't judge it by whether it gets cut. Ask yourselves this: Have you heard songs inferior to this one on the radio? Have you heard songs with a melody less memorable written by the artist? Have you heard songs that didn't have this level of craft winning awards or making a lot of money? You simply can't use that as a standard. You just have to make a song the best that song can be and except for what I've noted, in my opinion, this one has achieved that.

Regarding the familiarity of the melody and chords, many people will think it sounds familiar. I think it was Irving Berlin who said the songwriter has to walk the thin line between familiarity and plagiarism. But to people outside of this genre--like people who never listen to country music--it will definitely sound like something else. That's like an alien who comes to earth and thinks two men look exactly alike because they both have two arms and two legs. There are certain conventions of country writing that over half the songs in that genre have or do and that actually makes the listener feel secure. It's not reason for a lawsuit. Of course, I'm not familiar with every country melody. You could hum it into your Iphone and see what comes up, if you have that ap.

There were a lot of interesting and well-written songs posted, all of which I enjoyed. Thanks for posting them. I chose this one because it's not easy to write a wonderful up-tempo song and many artists are looking for up-tempo songs to complete their CDs. It's much easier to get up-tempo songs cut. I would be surprised if this didn't get recorded but this industry never stops surprising me. I would definitely make the changes and start pitching it to film and TV, other artists, websites where you can post your songs, wherever people go to hear music. I'd also make an instrumental track of it and pitch that. As wonderful as the lyric is, there's a lot of demand for instrumentals and this would be a good one. The guitar playing is really great.



Harriet,

THANKS SOOO MUCH for choosing our song to critique! We love to hear what others think of our song and we have already talked about some of the ideas that were given. I think we are going to take out the last line of the verse like you and others said. The NSAI evaluation told us the same thing! It was taken by them to play at the Publishers Luncheon, BUT I hope we can make the changes in time for them to play the improved re-write. I LOVE the idea of the "Hell Yea" scale! It was my idea to say the redneck scale while we were writing it, but I just threw it out and my two co-writers liked the idea more than me. I think the idea of some kind of scale would work better than using a part of the hook there.

We are trying to make the music more "Dynamic" in the Chorus and have an idea how to do that. We do plan on getting a full demo of it too. My co-writer, David Reuter, now lives in Nashville as of two weeks ago, so maybe he can find someone to listen to it. THANKS to ALL of you who helped out! We REALLY LOVE to get constructive criticism and try to learn from each one. If two or 3 people say the same thing, We change it. We are learning everyday! I can't thank you guys enough. I WISH I knew this was going on before now! Thanks Kim for letting me know.

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My name is David Reuter, and I’m one of the Co-Writers of this song. First, I’d like to say Thank You to Brian for providing this opportunity and also thank you to Harriet for selecting our song to be used as a teaching tool. I’d also like to say Thank You to everyone who has taken the time to listen to our song and comment.

Rather than getting into a deeper discussion about the “Specific Comments” that everyone has been leaving, I think it might be more beneficial to people here to give them a behind the scenes look at our working methodologies.

A few months ago while I was writing in Nashville, a female artist asked me to write her a Country Song that had “Edge and Attitude.” She was in the process of recording a CD and she was looking for additional material. She was not looking for Pop, Folk or Rock material; she was looking for a Country Song. To me, the FIRST step in writing a Country Song is putting together a “Writing Team,” so I asked Curt and Daniel to join me because they’re easy to work with and because they KNOW Country Music.

I have degrees from the Berklee College of Music in Arranging and Composition and I’ve worked for many years as a guitarist and as an arranger. When I Co-Write a song, I want the RIGHT Co-Writers on that project. When I Co-Write a Country Song, Curt Collins is on the TOP of my list because he knows Country Music Inside and Out. Curt suggested asking Daniel Starr to join us because we’ve had a lot of success working with Daniel on other songs and because Daniel has a wonderful ability to bring out THE BEST in people that he’s working with. We were Honored that Daniel joined us on this project.

To start with, we all knew the Artist so we discussed what she might need or like for material. She gave us a total Free Hand with the Music, with the Song Concept and with the Lyrics.

Now, for anyone who has suggested during critiques that we remove a line here or a line there or change the FORM of the song, that’s not really possible. There are many Country Songs that use exactly this FORM and when you’re writing in ANY Style of Music, it’s important to be VERY AWARE of the Listeners familiarity with Song Forms; especially ones that are “Genera Specific.” The Song Form we selected was a Country Shuffle with a Standard I, IV, V Chord Progression. The Cadences are Pre-Written in this FORM and Working Musicians have literary played this exact Song Form on gigs and sessions thousands of times. It’s been used endlessly in American Country Music since Rockabilly in the 1950s and 60s and it is still used today by top Country Artist. That FORM is “Comforting” to country music listeners and fans because they’re very familiar with it because it connects them to the rich musical traditions within Country Music.

The first challenge we faced was writers was how to remove the dated quality of the FORM and give it a modern flavor without removing its Traditional Roots. We accomplished this by using a Music Techniques called Reharmonization and Augmentation. The FORM of our song is Standard but the Chord Progression is not. If you listen closely, you’ll here non-diatonic Chords introduced throughout the song that give the music a modern Edge. In addition to the conventional I, IV, V we also added bIII, bVII and bVI and Chromatic Bass Lines to modernize the chord progression. In selected areas we added extra bars and extra ½ bars of music to allow the music to pause for a second without losing energy.

Lyrically, we wanted to be able to Recycle the Hook so that it applied to 3 separate events or situations in the narrators life and have “Red Neck Tested Country Girl Approved” credibly apply to all three equally and we selected an Old Truck, a Honky Tonk and a Man and assigned an individual verse to each one. We had chosen a “Standard” 3 Verse Song Form so we knew in advance that we would not be using a Bridge. Our goal lyrically as a team is always to have EVERY image in our writing be new, fresh and original so we included images such as:

Knocking Rods, Missing Tale Gates, Seats Worn Down to the Springs, The Red Neck Scale, Sticky Floors, a Leaning Pool Table, Red White and Blue Collar, A Back Road Pedigree, a shade Tree Mechanic etc.

To us, it is ESSENTIAL to lace our Songs with visual images that have not been heard before. As Co-Writers, we always challenge each other to be Fully Creative and Original with our lyrics and images. If it has been said before in a song, we don’t use it in our songs unless we can use it in a Fresh Way. Our familiarity with existing Song Lyrics within this genre allows us to probe for new ideas in our own songs.

The Lyric Craft in this song is VERY Tight because my Co-Writers and I utilize a blend of Hard and Soft Rhyme Scheme patterns. The internal and external Rhyme Scheme patterns were very challenging to maintain throughout this song.
Let me finish by saying what I am most proud of this song is the Conversational Nature of the Lyrics. I my opinion, the MOST Challenging dimension of writing Contemporary Country Music is writing Lyrics that are Conversational. Writing Poetic Lyrics in Contemporary Country Music just doesn’t work today. It is essential to write Conversational Lyrics. Each and Every line needs to sound like someone could actually be saying it to another person.

“I drive a ’63 Chevy my grandpa gave me it gets me where I wanna go”

To me, the song starts off conversationally and continues on from there. The challenge in today’s marketplace is to write a Fresh Story, with new and unique Images and to also have all the lyrics be fully Conversational.

Thank you for all the ideas, suggestions and comments. We are very grateful and we discuss every comment and suggestion that people leave us. We have a Great Respect for the Critique Process and we will be sure to review every comment in depth during our next writing session.

Sincere Thanks,

David Reuter
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