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Hi Folks,

I locked the post. After I give folks a chance to point out errors etc.. (thanks to those helping out) I will need volunteers to go in and number each post. This seems simple, but it's really not (ask Blake who did it last year). You have to be VERY careful not to delete a post/text and not get out of order. It will be easier since we had less than half the entries of last year.

Once we get all the posts corrected and then numbered, we'll make the final decision on how the voting will go. I will also need someone to go through and collect all the names and email addresses of those who entered. For those who blocked their email address, I'll have to go in manually and look it up, so I'll need a list of all the usernames with blocked email addresses as well.

Last year Blake and Ozone (and some others) helped out with all of this. If you can help this year, please let me know. My hands, ears, eyes and everything else is focused on the music portion of the awards right now so I can keep on the impossible schedule to get them done by summer.

Thanks to those who are participating and good luck to everyone.

Brian

I went through and looked for dups too. Didn't see any, even though a few threw me off, because they had close to the same title.

I want you to know, I am here to vote, however you decide I will vote without a doubt, as well as any other thing you need me for. Just let me know.

Carle T.

I have page one numbered and e-mail and/or no e-mail done Brian.
Can either post it here so those without their e-mails know they have to get it to you and save you a bit of work searching.
Or can e-mail it to you when I get it all done as a word doc atachment.
Graham

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Can't you open the pages in Excel/Works and then work with it? Excel can open web pages...

I'll look into it if it's not done shortly.

Hey, Graham - I just read your post more carefully, and it looks like you're plowing through it... guess I'll hold off.

-d

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Thanks to Graham for Finding all the user names/addresses. Because of spammers, I don't want to leave the list posted here. If they want to spam folks, they'll have to spend the same several hours to do it 1 at a time as Graham did. Too many unscrupulous folks out there and I suspect some of the slime out there has already lifted that list.
No sweat Brian.
Graham

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GREAT JOB, Graham!!



Emily

Thanks Emily. It was no trouble.
Well it was actually. About 5 hours s of copy and paste.
Which reminds me to mention a thought toward that point.
Brian. I suggest. If we do have this caper again aftre the low numbers this year.
It would be a real time saver for the folks doing the gather the stuff, if it was a requriement for posters to put on the top line of their posts:
The user name and e-mail.
Or in the case of folks who don't have an e-mail they make available;
The user name and the words No E-mail.
That way it is a straight one off copy and paste rather than having to wait for the e-mail the poster window to open 266 times. Minus no e-mail ones of course.
And for those ones, having to select and kill the bold type after copying and pasting that from the left signature line.
Am sure 5 hours would have been under two hours if that was the case.
The open the e-mail was the slowest bit by far.
Graham

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My two cents re the voting procedure: have participants select the top n entries per batch of 50, where n is a number where the total selected will be 50. i.e. n times #batches = 50

Then the final selection of 20 finalists will be made from the batch of 50 semi-finalists.

Mike

I also feel that judging 50 is the way to go. Beyond that people will scan and cut corners.

Herbie

Last year, I was one of the people who actually read ALL of the entries in the lyric contest..I did it by reading the new entries every day, or at least 4-5 times a week. I made notes of the ones that I thought were in the running, so when I had to narrow it down to my top five, it was easy to go back and read the ones I had already marked as winners.

I personally would like to read ALL entries when and if I am asked to vote. I feel that each entry deserves to be seen by ALL the judges. Anything else doesn't feel right to me...

Just my opinion...

Emily

Emily -

Like you I read all of the entries last year and I'm in the process of doing it again, whether I get to vote on all of them or just one page. I think the whole point Brian has is that he would like to get as many different folks as possible voting, but requiring them to read everything to vote will prevent that from happening. Plus you are in the position of having to monitor whether folks did actually read everything before voting.

In making my selections from over 500 last year, I went through four rounds to narrow down to my five finalists. Getting down to 30 or so was relatively easy, picking the top 5 wasn't, and ranking the top 5 was agonizing.

Marty,

Thanks for reminding me of the exhausting process of narrowing down the top five last year! It was a lot of work, but I am glad that I did it; reading all those lyrics was very educational...

It will be interesting to see what happens
in this year's lyric contest.

Emily

Graham, you just revealed all those e-mail addresses to any webcrawler (or spider) who happened by and opened people up to a whole lot of spam and perhaps more.

Programmers set up instructions in website to prevent the crawlers from going in to profiles to get those e-mail addresses.

Spammers who don't use webcrawlers will have an easy time of it also. You saved them a lot of work.

It's best to just number the pages on the post like Brian said. That way people can just cut and paste the Song title and the number all at once.


JeanB



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Struth Jean. They are all there just a click away.
If Brian had any worries about it, he would have deleted it by now.
He has the word doc version of this now so is up on what cooks.
Doing it this way, I believe it means A less work. And B there is no need for anybody to have to go in and take the chance, as Brian pointed out of clicking the wrong button and deleting.
It also means if we do the one page thing anybody can go grab their alloted page and use that to put their points on beside each entry and simply send that in to Brian when done and all the imformation is there for him without having to go search anything.
I really think some worry about hackers eand spam stuff way too much.
Anyway. I did what I thought was a not bad thing, and I did it when I thought of it, as at my age, it doesn't pay to yeave a lot 'til tomorrow, or whenever.
Anybody wants their e-mail taken out I can do that, as Brian has the full document now.
E-mail me though so as not ot make this post any longer than need be.
You will find it on the list.
Graham

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My deep regrets to any who were worried about suddenly being bombarded by spam and stuff as a result of my laziness.
I should have thought a bit more about it, and removed the e-mail addies from the posted copy, and just forwarded the full one on to Brian.
At the time, I decided it was no big deal, and that opinion hasn't changed.
My previously spam free days ended within days of joining JPF anyway, so it is all out there anyway.
And the amount of "Listen to my song" e-mails I get which are sent including every e-mail on the senders list, rather than as blind copy, is more of a worry to me, than the remote chance a naughty person is just waiting for me to do one of my dumb things.
Today, I made a list minus the e-mails, and have not posted that, but will if it is felt it will be an aid to voters to use as a score sheet.
It only took about 15 minutes so I should have done it from the start.
In the doing, I did find a listing I had not included the forum name of the poster in and so have been able to send that to Brian to edit into his copy.
Graham



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Hey Graham - no sweat by me. It's something to be congnizant of in gener, but in this case, if a spider can get it from that list, it can get it from my posts anyway.

Spam is a problem for me (about 1000/day on one acct), but in this case I don't see it being a problem. Thx for taking the time to compile this

Thanks D... Dang. I forget how to spell it.
Thanks Cobber.
Struth 1000 spams a day.
I'm gonna stop complainging about the average of around a dozen a day from now on.
I don't complain much anyway, as I have a couple of songs written that emulated from some of them.
Graham

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Brian. imes rolling on and if you haven't had, or don't get a better offer, and want to let me know what the procceedure is to number the entries , if you do in fact want them numbered on the actual site for the initial member vote section, which I feel doesn't really need to be done at that stage, and I will see if I think I can do it.
Can't see it will be all that hard.
I am reasonably comuter smart, and a quick learner at what I don't know most times.
Graham

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So what is there left to do? Are you still needing help Brian, or is everything counted and ready? I haven't been available to do much posting lately and I apologize, but I am willing to help out if there's something I can do to get things finished up. I haven't heard anything since Graham finished page one. Are any of the other pages done or am I too late and everything is already signed up for?

Let me know Please

Steve

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Hi Guys,

Actually I didn't have any volunteers to number the posts like we did last year (Blake did them) and I haven't been able to do them myself. (It's fairly monotonous and boring and time consuming).

We need the posts numbered because having a separate list can lead to accidental number transposing etc. So each entry needs to be clearly marked so folks can see the listing, the number and tie the two directly together on their voting.

With so few entries, it's been a real discussion on whether we should have a "second round" or not. Should we just go straight to nominations or take the top lyrics from each page. We've also been trying to decide how to handle the partial page.

Because we want to get started soon on the voting process, I first need someone to number all the posts. This is done by clicking the edit button (like you edit your own posts) and simply adding the numbers one at a time for each post. Blake spent a few days doing this last year. You have to be VERY careful NOT to erase any of the entries or info. (which would be a big problem). If Graham wants to volunteer (or someone else) to get it done over the weekend, that's fine. It's probably best to have 1 person do it, though if more than one wants to help we could possibly assign pages. Because on page 1 there are instructions, there are only 49 lyrics on page one, then 50 on each subsequent page until the last one. So a new page would start at 50, 100, 150, 200 and 250.

Once they are numbers, I will have made a final decision on how the voting will proceed and send that info to all the participants. I might just take the top 10% or 20% of each page to have the second round OR we might just go straight to nominations. If you have thoughts on that, now's your last chance to tell us.

Brian

No sweat Brian.m I can do easy by early tomorrow.
Just have bout 4 hours of recording to do, and the wekend is mine.
GRaham

Brian,

Sign me up to a page or two . . . or all of them if no one else has the inclination or the time. Since the thread is locked, do you give an authorization code to make edits to all the posts in that thread? I don't know how much time it would take me to do it, but if you'll have me I'll do it.

Sorry I didn't volunteer earlier, I guess I thought other people had already gotten that taken care of.

As far as the judging goes, I like the 10 to 20% plan better. Just my opinion.

Thanks,

Steve

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Oops. While I was typing my reply, Graham beat me to it. Let me know if you need any help, Graham or Brian.

Thanks,


Steve

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Steve. I have done a list of all the entries with their number on them, either Brian or I can give you and it should only be a few hours work to apply them to the whole thing if you want to do it Steve, so keeping it to just the one operator as Brian prefferes on this phase.
I'm easy, and there if needed for it.
Graham

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Go ahead and email me with the information Graham, and I will get it done if you're not itching to do it yourslf. Also, if you could provide me with some details about the steps needed to edit those posts with the new information, I would appreciate it.

Thanks for letting me help!


Steve

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Steve,

I sent you an email with my phone number. Give me a call about this.

Brian

Brian -

I sent you an e-mail last week volunteering, but I guess it got lost in the 1000's you receive. If Graham or Steve still need help, let me know.

Marty

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Marty listen here

Is there a setting on the digital delay that will allow me to think before I speak?

Brian -

You should have an e-mail in your in-box sent this morning. If you get a chance, please check it before Graham puts in the effort on the numbering. May save some duplicate effort later.

Marty

Hey Marty,

If you have any ideas or suggestions about the numbering, would you let me know as well? As you may have noticed, I'm into the third page already and there's not much time left for saving time.

Thanks,

Steve

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Good one Steve. Thanks Cobber.
And thanks for the offer to help too Marty.
Graham

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Jan 22nd-Feb 15th: We will have voting by actual members on their 5 favorite lyrics (in order) from an assigned page via email once the posting/entry deadline passes.

Forgive the question. I am a serious contributor. I entered the lyric contest. I understand that the voting for the lyric contest began on Jan 22. Today is January 24, and I haven't received any songs to vote on. Maybe, I am confused about the process. Anyways, any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

Ryan O'Bryant

I think you will find thatb because of the techi gitch we expreienced everything was extended 14 days.
The page numbering is well i progress, and I am sutre all will be done as was intended albeit a bit late Ryan.
Graham

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Hey Guys,

Just finished up with the numbering. If someone could give it a once over before I call it done, I would appreciate it. It seemed to come out OK, but I have been wrong on rare occasions. I just need someone to check and see that everyone got a number on their post and that the numbers are in order. Also, check your own post to make sure I didn't accidentally delete anything. I'm pretty sure I didn't, but it's always nice to make double sure before it goes to the judges.

Thanks for any help!

Steve

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Steve,

I will gladly go through and Help Proofread your numbering.....

Kaley

Steve, the numbering was in order...and it came out to 265.


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Thanks Kaley,


Well, unless someone speaks up I will call it done on my part tomorrow afternoon and I guess Brian takes it from there unless he has something else we can help out with.

Thanks again!

Steve

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Thanks Steve. Ya done good Cobber.
Graham

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No sweat, Graham. I guess its all finished. I triple checked it myself and since no one has spoken up about me deleting anything from any posts, I'll assume that everything's ducky and go ahead and let Brian back at it. Thanks for the chance to help.


Steve

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Steve -

Looks like you count pretty well. My idea would have required going back and starting over so Brian didn't think it was a good one.

Thanks for putting in all the work this weekend.




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Marty listen here

Is there a setting on the digital delay that will allow me to think before I speak?

I haven't yet recieved my instructions on which page I am to be judging, Anxiously awaiting the information. Thanks, Mo' Kauffey

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George

Not a problem Marty,

I would still be interested in your thoughts about the counting if you want to share. I had a few thoughts as I was counting that maybe next year we ought to have every one who posts number their own. If we start right then even if you're the last one to post a lyric, all you would have to do is look at the number on the post before yours and number yours accordingly.

Not by way of complaint, but it might save some time for everyone.

Thanks

Steve

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Would work if everything went dead right Steve, but if ther was a post had to be deleted for any reason, it would throw the numbers out and editing would probably take more effort than putting them there when all were done and the forum closed.
Graham

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Hi Folks,

I really haven't forgotten about you. Because we shifted the Entry back, I should have shifted the voting date back more as well. I still have to manually look up the names that didn't include their email addresses (it's a bit of a pain..) and once I have that done, I will email everyone the info on the next stage.

Thanks for being patient!

Brian

Thanks for the update Brian, Sorry for not including my email address on the post. oops

Graham, you, my friend, have the wisdom of the ages. Never would have thought of that. Maybe we could just have everyone go back and put there number in after the final date has passed. You know, mark the last lyric posted and don't accept any more posts after that point. Just allow people to edit their post to add the numbers. Besides, each post would still have a number even if it was deleted. We don't necessarily have to keep them in perfect order for judging if we are going to be able to judge only a certain amount anyway. There won't be extra or duplicate numbers, just a couple of numbers missing. Anyway there has to be an easier way.

Thanks,


Steve

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hey guys
just a thought, but if there's 265 entries, why not make 5 pages 53 entries long?

kevin ruch

Brian. They are all listed on the sheets I sent you, which should make it a little less of a chore than going through the posts for them.
And those who know they have no e-mail listed. How about saving the poor bloke some work and send them to him.
Graham

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I have the list of emails and I decided on the process/deadlines. Everyone should be getting an email by tomorrow and I will also post that info here when it's done.

Thanks,

Brian

PS: We can't have more than 50 posts per page. When it hits 51 it starts a new page automatically. I have hopefully come up with an good solution for the odd page voting.

Got mine. Looks fine.
Graham

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Steve -

My ideas had to do with getting equal numbers of entries on each page which would have required reordering and repositing and a whole boatload of extra work - plus potential for screw-ups in the process so they're better left forgotten for this year.

If you've ever replied to someone and seen a post slip in between you'll know why having folks number their own won't work, even if they honestly tried to get it right.

Glad its time to vote!


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Marty listen here

Is there a setting on the digital delay that will allow me to think before I speak?

So what happened to the lyrics? I came here to get started on my voting, and there are no lyrics to read...I was supposed to read and vote on page one, and will do so...my time is limited, and I have wasted today, looking for something that isn't there anymore...

Slim