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#158679 - 10/18/05 02:52 AM Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Songwriters Radio Service is accepting air quality demonstration recordings of original, copyrighted and unpublished music for submission to Broadcast and Background Music Program and Music Directors worldwide.

Songwriters Radio Service puts air quality demos in direct competition with ALL released product at the broadcast level where the commercial viability of a given song is then obvious.

Songwriters Radio Service assigns each work with its own Registration Number to avoid conflicts and ease tracking and to avoid confusion with regular main line record releases. Submissions are then uploaded to various Electronic Music Services where they may be accessed and reviewed by Program and Music Directors, Syndicators and other Music Users world wide.


Songwriters may submit as many works as they wish. All fields and genre' of music are open and acceptable. Any and all rights, titles, interests and ownership of submissions remain the sole and exclusive property of the songwriter's). There are no embindments, legal or otherwise, on any submission or part of any submission



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#158680 - 10/18/05 04:35 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Frank,

Here's a novice idea. How about actually explaining what you're talking about, who you are, why someone would want to work with you, what your fee/cut is, what the earnings potential is for participating in this and some real world examples of people who have used your service/company and had some type of measurable success? That might be helpful. Otherwise, this is just an obscure and unexplained collection of words asking people to get involved in something they still know basically nothing about.

Brian


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#158681 - 10/18/05 12:57 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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I went to the site and got the exact same words. Nothing more, other than them incorrectly referring song registration as copyrighting. (A little thing I know, but if they don't even know the difference, or that there is one, then that tells me all I need to know).

$15. a song from anyone? What matters then of the quality of the CD? At least Taxi will let someone know where they stand, (real fast), as far as realistic expectations based on songwriting skills and talent, while giving suggestions! Knowing is better than not knowing and thinking you're in the hunt with song after song,,,,,and at $15. a pop! That's no "service" for songwriters, but is for them. Too one sided I think.

I'd rather join that pyramid thing!

John Daubert

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#158682 - 10/18/05 10:17 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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It's obvious that none of you have even the slightest idea of what Songwriters Radio Service is about and doing, or the process they've established for doing it!

BAW, if you had the brains of a gnat you'd know that a NEW operation would not have a scad-list of who-have-you-done-this-for-before, the single-most question to identify supreme paranoids! If you knew anything about the industry, you'd KNOW "who". I worked for several Labels, Music Publishers, and PromoLibraries as an administrative expediter, and I can tell you from first hand experience, THAT question will get you shelved every time.

dh, I went through their site from end to end, and NOWHERE did I find them even inferring that registration was copyrighting! Are you one of those who sees only what they want to see, regardless of its erroneous nature? All I found was a requirement that EACH song be registered to avoid a lot of confusion with similar/identical titles, and the music MUST be copyrighted. A far cry from your nonsense.

It seems that SRS is offering songwriters the opportunity to get their music DIRECT TO RADIO PROGRAM AND MUSIC DIRECTORS instead of having some 'name', who has blown far more recordings than they have hits, sit in some god-like 'judgement' of whether the song is 'good', 'bad', or indifferent. The later category will always result in an 'honorable mention'.

Record Producers must sit in judgement of the music they've selected to record, but even they can't predict or determine whether a finished product will succeed or not. And neither can anybody else! Including so-called 'record executives'. When you find one honest enough to admit that, do business with them, they're HONEST!

The only other people qualified to sit in ANY judgement of any finished music are the Music and Program Directors and only then when limited to their own sphere of responsibility! An P/MD in any given market is only qualified to judge music in their broadcast format (rock, pop, ac, country, et cetera), and only in the market they cover. Simple as that. And there are no exceptions. The expertise is just that limited. Therefore, if your music were available to a sufficient number of those P/MDs, who might use it, the possibility arises of some degree of success.

THE LOT OF YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THAT, AREN'T YOU?

Perhaps it would be a good idea for those who want to make something of your music to LEARN TO PAY ATTENTION, and get out of the mentality that because 'you' don't know what's really going on doesn't mean it's a scam. BTW, that's the second-most indicator of a paranoid born loser in the real world of recorded music. And it's rampant! Everything that doesn't fit the ages old myths, that nobody can show one instance of ever working, absolutely has to be a 'scam'.

Learning a WHOLE LOT MORE about this business you act like 'experts' in, would help you a great deal in getting your music into the hands that can use it. And your expressed ignorances and inferences will only get you slabsided everywhere you turn.

I did a quick check of the BBB and Chamber of Commerce about SRS, and they came up with a clean slate, something TAXI (that every fool on the planet is over heels about) hasn't had since day one. I also checked the bunko blotters in Indiana, Michigan and Ohio, and came up empty.

And before your next layer of paranoia erupts, NO, I am not a part, party nor partner in the SRS venture. Nor am I a songwriter, although I know many people who are, some of whom informed me of the SRS operation.

If you'd like some very good advice, check the legitimate charts, of which Billboard and R&R are not, and see if anyone comes up with a playable songwriter's demo. Those of us in the industry who have to be right most of the time rely on the Atlantic Satellite Top 2,500 at http://www.atlantic-satellite.com. They only monitor satellite music channels and do not accept music industry advertising, so they can't be bought like Billboard and R&R are.

If SRS is a scam, time will tell. If not, time will tell on you.

FingersOnFire

#158683 - 10/18/05 10:46 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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I find it quite humorous that someone comes here anonymously and thinks anyone would take anything they say about anything as valid or true.

It's also funny that when you ask an obvious scam artist about what they do, how they do it, how much they charge etc.. they get angry and post a bunch of attacks rather than simply answer legit and reasonable questions so someone could actually decide if they wanted to use their service based on some reasonable facts. When you have nothing valid to offer, then you can't bear to have someone ask even the most basic questions because you'll be exposed as a fraud. That's obviously what is going on here. Someone is afraid to use their real name to give simple info/facts about a service that's being advertised here. In my response, there wasn't a single comment made about the validity or lack of validity of the company in question. What we did ask for was information. When someone isn't willing to give it but expects people to simply blindly pay money to strangers who won't use their actual names, that's reason for a lot of red flags to be raised. Based on this latest post, we have to officially move SRS from the unknown companies to the obvious scam artists.

I looked at the address of FingersOnFire, his email is: colrfcunningham@comcast.net

Do a web search for Col. RF Cunningham or his email address if you want a real laugh and to know what his motivating factors are. No wonder he didn't want to use his real name in the post. Who would ever want to admit to being that hack?

Brian


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#158684 - 10/18/05 10:55 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Brian Austin Whitney,

For your information, Robert F. Cunningham IS my right name, and I hold THREE Colonel Commissions.

It's know-it-all and do-nothings like yourself that are the problem in this industry.

FingersOnFire

#158685 - 10/18/05 11:16 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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This reminds me of one of the oldest scams in the music industry, especially involving Country music and the really old school scam artists who use bogus military titles in their names (which is offensive to real military folks by way) and who create bogus charts to sucker unknowing newbies into believing they're getting legit airplay and promotional benefit from the scam artists.

Here's how it works, though there's many variations:

1. Scam company X claims they will promote your music and get it on the "charts" for a fee. Often these companies work with other scam artists to offer a myriad of services from studio time, production, videos, press support etc. They take an unknowing artist/writer and get them to spend money in their studio, and to pay money for additional promotional help. In exchange, they promise Airplay. Because they don't actually get anyone REAL airplay, they need a way to make the suckers believe they're actually getting something for the money.

2. To accomplish this, they create bogus charts which have no actual validity to anyone but the other folks in the scam community. They all work together to make the poor victim think the charts are legit AND to think that these scam artists have actually gotten them airplay and a "chart" ranking right along side of actual legitimate artists and writers.

3. The dress the fake charts up with real names of current and successful artists, and then add in their cronies and victims names throughout. They more you pay (and longer you pay them) the higher you rise on their "chart." But what they can't do is actually prove any real or significant airplay via BMI, ASCAP or SESAC royalities because the airplay is fake or it's at stations below any radar or in foreign countries where the DJ's are in on the scams. It works to steal lots of money from little old ladies who want to be country stars or unknowing writers who simply want their dream to come true so desperately, that they will pay these scam artists so their name appears on their bogus fake charts to get the ego boost and so they can show their friends in the Retirement home or in the trailer park. If you stop paying them for the promotional services.. gosh.. an amazing thing happens. your name slips down or off their fake charts.

4. Of course they also can't provide any measurable album sales or income back to the artist/writer. They'll often blame the "industry" for this.. saying that their chart is legit but there's a conspiracy among Billboard and R&R to shut out their artists and keep them out of the mainstream. This is a convenient conspiracy theory because by nature outsiders always think the "industry" is against them. That makes the scam artists look like heros to the underdogs. So the victims keep writing checks.

So, if you've ever come across a version (and there are MANY MANY variations on this old scam) of this, hopefully this will open your eyes to the obvious.

1. If you have significant REAL radio airplay, you'll get royalties from BMI/ASCAP/SESAC. If you don't, you're not getting significant airplay (and certainly not enough airplay to show up along side a major label famous artist who is also charting on Billboard).

2. If you aren't getting album sales, then any airplay you might be getting is on obscure stations in places where people couldn't get your music if they wanted to. But in most cases, you're getting no actual airplay... and the airplay you're getting is simply part of a pay off deal with the DJ who is on the scam. There are DJ's (especially in Europe) who will play any crap at all to get some payoffs. They often have their OWN charts as well which helps them expand the scam. If you're not selling albums, your airplay is meaningless.

3. Often the music getting this "airplay" was produced by scam artists, co-written by scam artists, performed by scam artists, promoted by scam artists, played on the radio by DJ scam artists on a payroll and charted on bogus charts that exist solely to legitimize all the above scam artists to that the victim (the unknowing songwriter or artist) to separate them from as much cash as possible until they run out of money, figure out the scam or die from old age.

Real charts measure REAL radio airplay that produces PRO royalties (when you reach the level of charting on a legit chart). Real charts indicate so much airplay that album sales follow in large quantities. If you aren't making PRO income and you aren't selling albums, it's all bullshit. It's all a scam. And it's a RAMPANT problem, especially among the Scam artist cartels in Nashville, Alabama and Florida where the majority of them operate.

Now.. I haven't pointed anyone out specifically. So if someone comes here and goes off on my example and warning, then you have to ask what they are feeling guilty about that they'd need to come and expose themselves as the guilty parties? Lets see who shows up to protest the exposure of this scenario.

Brian


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#158686 - 10/18/05 11:25 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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"It's know-it-all and do-nothings like yourself that are the problem in this industry."

Actually, it's people who actually DO bother to learn what's going on that make life very hard for scam artists. If you're innocent Rob, then why would you be upset. If you're not a scam artist, what are you worried about? Or does the above hit too close to home for you? Me doth think he protests too much.

The open communication on the internet will chip away at the most obvious scam artists, sending them scurrying around for new methods and victims who aren't on line or aren't smart enough to check someone out thoroughly. But the grand old days of these obvious scam artists preying on people for their life savings hopefully is coming to an end.

That was very good of you Rob to come out of the shadows and anonymity AFTER I posted your name first. Big deal. So, if you're upset, it indicates that you think we're talking about you. Otherwise, you shouldn't have any complaints at all. After all, if you're honest, I am sure you'd ALSO be against scam artists using the above techniques to rip people off right? To suggest otherwise makes it look like you're one of them Rob.

Brian


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#158687 - 10/18/05 11:35 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Brian,

And excellent expose' of the Gary Bradshaw cum Nashville Tracker and the now defunct Cashbox scam.

And anyone who thinks ASCAP, BMI or SESAC actually pay true royalties on a fair and equal basis probably also thinks TAXI isn't a rip-off that hundreds of victims know it is! We'll be happy to deliver scads of them in any court any time you're ready!

About every two or three years they BUY a song by some 'name' and line the fools up to think they're next! Nice scam. Are you in on it?

Too bad you're one of those who MUST endorse such age old congames, lest they turn on you and your membership.

As for my military service, the VA carries me as a service-connected Korean Era and RadioActive exposed. I was stationed in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki area for longer than anyone really wanted to be. I am a life member of DAV.

When it comes to scam-busting, try on the site at http://www.vmgworldwide.com and get a handle on how this industry REALLY works, the what to do, the how to do it, and all the scams to avoid. You should try it sometime. The index page says enough for me to ignore your inference that I'm any part of any scam.

Those who are stupid enough to take YOU at face and full value as God, Law and Gospel certainly won't hurt this industry by NOT ever being a part of it.

FingersOnFire


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#158688 - 10/18/05 11:56 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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So are you stating that you were a Colonel in active military service? You kind of danced around that fact? Did you retire as a Colonel? Also, did your buddy "General" Farrell have an actual rank of General in an active military branch?

For someone who claims they don't fit into the above scam scenario, there sure are LOTS of similarities in what you and Bobby are doing? What a coincidence eh?

Brian


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#158689 - 10/18/05 11:57 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Wow all them djs played my music for free...i just sent it to them direct.I was right there on those country charts with all those other paying country artists.I didnt even tell them i was colonel mjm

#158690 - 10/19/05 12:06 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Brian,

You obviously didn't do all your homework.

And I didn't say anything about my military service except where I was once posted.

There's really nothing wrong with you that a lot less god-playing and a lot less self-superiority wouldn't cure.

You're fishing for a gnit and can't find a whale in a bathtub.

Go read the site at -- http://www.vmgworldwide.com -- it's been up TEN YEARS, and is wide open for all to view. And, ready for court any time the exposed bastards are.

MJM, and how many tons of royalties did you get? Any sales to amount to anything? I certainly hope so.

FingersOnFire

#158691 - 10/19/05 12:13 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Mostly complaints from other country artists to quite playing my crappy music.

#158692 - 10/19/05 12:14 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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So if you weren't a real Colonel, then using the rank in your name is misleading and dishonest. That's quite offensive, not only to active and retired military folks but to people who have family members and friend who did serve and earn that rank honestly.

So I will ask you directly once again. Were you actually a Colonel in the active US Military? Yes or no. If you say yes, then we'll go to the US military sites where it can be quickly and easily verified. Same for your friend General Bobby Farrell. Was he actually a General? If not, why is he claiming he was if he's an honest guy?

I'd think you'd be quite proud to produce the information on your rank in the military and welcome verification. It's an honorable thing and people who actually EARNED that rank deserve a level of respect for it. I am happy to give that you IF it's true. If it's not, then you have zero credibility on anything else you say.

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#158693 - 10/19/05 01:08 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Frank, or Robert,

From the site:
"IF YOU HAVE RELEASED YOUR MUSIC TO ANYONE TO BE 'PLUGGED', PROMOTED; EVEN JUST GIVEN FRIENDS, FAMILY OR POSSIBLY INTERESTED PERSONS COPIES, DON'T TAKE THIS RISK. GET IT COPYRIGHTED".

This is one of the sentences that used the term copyrighted instead of registered. As I said, it's a little thing, but one that a Pro would know the difference of. We "Register" our copyright that we already own. Basic 101 stuff.

Not bad for this born loser huh? Next time don't jump to read what you want to read out of something. (where did I read something like that? [Linked Image]

But MOST of all, whether that service is good or not, your disrespect in personal attacks shows the character we are having to deal with, as this site has more charactor than you could you ever grasp, or even care about I'm afraid. For that alone, I feel sorry for you. Really. NO attack in this, just a sincere sorry for you. I would not like to be like you, nor would Brian, or 99.9 % of the good folks here who can challenge each other, disagree, and still do it with respect another person deserves. You may be a nice person to some in your circle, but you come off as something opposite.

Just food for thought. But whatever floats your boat......


For the record, I and lots of people here already have done more things in the music field than you can "imagine", and possibly more than you). Either way, you could have just stuck to the facts of the services. That would have gotten your points across enough to have an adult discussion on them.

John
Done with this topic. Won't read anymore on this as I cherish my,,,, (for you Brian): too little time! No need for reply Robert/Frank. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

Onward and Upwards!

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#158694 - 10/19/05 04:34 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by FingersOnFire:
It's obvious that none of you have even the slightest idea of what Songwriters Radio Service is about and doing, or the process they've established for doing it!

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Uh, y'know there, Fingers... err, I mean, Colonel Sir ... When you went off on your rant way uptopic there, it was after Brian asked for clarification as to what Songwriters Radio Service is about.

You are absolutely correct: No one here has the slightest clue what this service is about. Brian asked you to explain it in detail -- how it works, who you are, how much it costs, what we as songwriters and musicians can get out of it. If you'd explained it to us, maybe we'd be interested.

But you didn't explain. You simply flew off the handle, called a bunch of people a bunch of names, ranted and raved for awhile, called some more names, etc.

As for me, I still don't know how your service works. Maybe I'm interested in using it. Would you care to tell me how it works? What's it going to cost me? What's it going to get me for my money?

Or did Brian actually describe it for you?

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#158695 - 10/19/05 04:53 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Wow... I just went over to that VMG Music site, and you all are some angry dudes. No wonder you flamed Brian and half of the rest of the Free World.

Y'all need to seriously chill out for awhile. I mean it. Relax. Lighten up. Chill. Listen to some good music or something...

Seething anger at the world from every pore in your body isn't going to get you anywhere, and it certainly won't win you any friends.

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#158696 - 10/19/05 03:15 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Frank/Fingers/Colonel/Robert/Whomever this is...

I wanted to speak up and just say that I know from first hand experience that SESAC is not a con-game, I get checks from SESAC for the airplay I do actually get. Much more accurate than BMI ever was for me. So I think you're incorrect about some of what you're promoting already.

Also, you never answered the question of your service. That IS what is important here.

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#158697 - 10/19/05 03:41 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Hey fingers, I don't know anything about your company {nor do I want to after reading your posts} I find the insulting and condesending tone of your posts to be completely unproffessional. If I had thought about checking out your company, I won't now! As for the "colonel" thing, I know of a song shark in Nashville who is also a KY Colonel {they must let ANYBODY in that club!!} big deal! Yours truly, "General" Debauchery.

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#158698 - 10/19/05 04:38 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Seething anger at the world from every pore in your body isn't going to get you anywhere, and it certainly won't win you any friends.</font>


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#158699 - 10/19/05 05:27 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Dear: Frank/Fingers/Colonel/Robert/Whomever?

I read your posts and checked out the web site you gave...and have only one question...

Are you any relation to Colonel Sanders?

If so...I love your fried chicken!

Teddy

Ps: Based on your posts Mr. Colonel...I think your public relations / people skills need some work. ( That's just a guess.)


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Still awaiting the "colonel's" reply,calling us ALL a bunch of rubes! {I'm shaking in my shoes!}

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#158701 - 10/19/05 08:56 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Ohhhhhhhhh.
His name was Colonel Cunningham.
And wanted guitar.
That was finger pickin' good.
But he seemed to be.
A bit peed off.
His post.
Wasn't.
Fully understood.
So he went on the defensive.
Soon as asked to explain.
And that is when the post.
Went gurglin'.
Down.
The drain.

So it seems his dreams.
Of suckin' in some suckers.
Don't stand up to scrutiny.
Guess he needs to get some PR skills.
Well.
That's how it seems.
To me.
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#158702 - 10/19/05 09:05 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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You rule Graham! Another shark vanquished.

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#158703 - 10/20/05 07:52 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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The REAL reason Colonel Robert "FingersOnFire" Cunningham didn't answer the idiocies!

http://www.vmgworldwide.com/JustPlainFolks.jpg

The whole story of 'music industry' bbs is linked to:

http://www.vmgworldwide.com/bbs.htm

All you know-it-all-and-do-nothings should read it. Now that you know who the REAL jackass is.

Amanda Rupprecht
Don't post to me, I won't be back to even view the idiotic ravings of you slimey bastards!

#158704 - 10/20/05 08:55 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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FROM A LONG TIME RETIRED ELDERLY "ONE FOOT ON A SLIPPERY ROCK AND THE OTHER"...

WELL, YOU ALL KNOW HOW IT GOES. BUT I'M STILL A MUSIC LOVER FROM A LONG WAYS BACK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.. SEEING ALL THIS ROWL GOING ON, BUT ONE THING I SURE CAN SEE. THERE MUST BE AN AWFUL LOT OF YOUNG FOLKS IN HERE NOT TO RECOGNIZE WHO COLONEL ROBERT L. CUNNINGHAM IS OR THE HISTORY BEHIND HIM.

FEW PEOPLE HAVE EVER BEEN ON THE BATTLEFRONTS IN THE HOTTEST SPOTS IN THE KOREAN WAR,DRAWING AN OFFICER'S PAY AT 15 YEARS OF AGE! FEW, EXCEPT MAYBE HIS FRIEND, AUDIE MURPHY.

THAT AIN'T NO JOKE AND IT AIN'T NO LIE.

HAHA... ROBERT CUNNINGHAM WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT TOO; IF HE HADN'T BEEN CELEBRATING HIS BIRTHDAY TOO MUCH AND WAS TRICKED INTO REVEALING HIS ACTUAL DATE OF BIRTH TO HIS COMMANDING OFFICER. THAT GOT HIM SENT HOME; BUT NOT WITHOUT HAVING SERVED A HEARTWRENCHING STINT.

HE NOT ONLY SERVED ONCE; WHEN HE CAME OUT HE ENLISTED IN ANOTHER BRANCH AND WENT AGAIN.

OBVIOUSLY NONE OF YOU KNOW WHO COL. CUNNINGHAM REALLY WAS OR BOBBY FARRELL EITHER. I CAN UNDERSTAND SKEPTICISM, BUT I'M SURE THAT IF YOU ALL KNEW, THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE TOWARD HIS COMMENTS.

JUST AS SURE AS I AM THAT, IF YOU ALL KNEW THE LOAD OF DEBT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY OWES COL. ROBERT CUNNINGHAM AND BOBBY FARRELL, YOU WOULD PAY A LOT CLOSER ATTENTION TO WHAT WAS BEING SAID THERE.

THANKS FOR LETTING ME SAY MY PIECE.
CHOLLY

#158705 - 10/20/05 09:21 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Amanda Rupprecht. My. What a fetching name.
After rerading the two content of both sites the links lead me to, I really have to ask.
Given The Colonel knows all that stuff about what a dead end BBs are; why did he even bother posting here?
Seems to shoot itself in the foot that one.
And good golly Cholly, I remember Audey Murphy.
He was a B grade cowboy actor who happened to have a purple heart hung o him amd they tried to ressurect his flagging appeal with a movie built on that as I recall it.
The Colonel must be about the same age as me as I thought about upping my age to go to Korea, but i just couldn't bring myself to tell a lie.
Even wrote a song about it.
It was called I Was Only Sixteen.
They tell me somebody bent it a bit to use during the vietnam war.
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#158706 - 10/20/05 10:29 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by SongCounter:
The REAL reason Colonel Robert "FingersOnFire" Cunningham didn't answer the idiocies!

http://www.vmgworldwide.com/JustPlainFolks.jpg


The whole story of 'music industry' bbs is linked to:

http://www.vmgworldwide.com/bbs.htm

All you know-it-all-and-do-nothings should read it. Now that you know who the REAL jackass is.

Amanda Rupprecht
Don't post to me, I won't be back to even view the idiotic ravings of you slimey bastards!
</font>



Wow! what an honor it must be for JPF to be named on the Whole Story of the Music Industry webpage (worldwide none the less). Reading the above makes me want to kick the dog.
A slimey Bastard

#158707 - 10/20/05 11:30 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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If they're looking for $15.00 a song, then it's a scam. It always pisses me off when I see someone playing on someone's dreams to make a buck. What a slimy way to get rich.
They KNOW there are so many of us out there, and if they dangle their hook, there are enough fish that will bite.
They wouldn't give a damn about the music, only if they could get enough suckers on their stringer in order to shake the loose change out of the pockets of people who actually work for a living.
Many years ago, my brother told me there was some guy who was interested in our songs. He ran into this "suit" at the auto garage he was working at. We were young and naive, so we met this clown at a Dennys for coffee.
It took twenty minutes before we found out he was an amway salesman. My brother asked him, "What does this have to do with our music?"
He replied, "With Amway, you can make enough money to buy your own recording studio!"
My brother told me later, "Gee, I wonder if our dream was to become astronauts, he would have told us we could buy our own rocket."
All we got was a free cup of coffee, but I'll never forget the lesson that there are unscrupulous cons out there who will use anything to get you into their shell game.
I'll also never forget the feeling when the realization hits that this is no dream come true, just a big set up.
It's a wise man who gets the facts when the red flags are going up all over the place.

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This is an amazing and entertaining thread.
Who needs Reality TV?
We have all the entertainment we need - right here!
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#158709 - 10/20/05 12:15 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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I happen to be a Colonel myself, appointed by the Governor of Kentucky in the year of 2000. I'm very proud of the appointment but I rarely use the title and never trade on it.

Audie Murphy was a war hero before he was a movie actor. As a matter of fact, he was the most decorated American soldier in World War II. Poor Audie, however, wasn't a very good actor.

It seems that accomplishments and decorations in life make one neither an artist nor a good business person. They should be respected, but not thought of as a guarantor. Still, this is the era of the shell game. People use their religion, military service, awards, and memberships to take advantage in unrelated endeavors (sorry, Graham, I mean endeavours). In this, I highly respect my father-in-law, Jack Kissane. Jack is a retired salesman. He was a very good salesman. I never saw an instance where Jack in any way used his military service as a publicity tool, yet Jack was a young marine on both Saipan and Iwo Jima.

My being a Kentucky Colonel does exactly nothing to help me be a better person, citizen, husband, father, musician or businessman. It happens, the appointment was for accomplishment in the music business, that doesn't mean I can be "Col. Mike, super car salesman." This, however, is the way such titles are often used.

As to this post? Brian's pretty sharp. He's got the music community's best interest at heart. Besides, I vouch for Brian, and I'm...

Col. Mike Dunbar



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#158710 - 10/20/05 02:36 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Wow, this guy went through all that trouble adding JPF to his personal Wall Of Shame, complete with screenshots and yawn-inducing rant?

When does he actually work on music stuff?

Oh. Wait.

#158711 - 10/20/05 03:25 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Gosh.. another piece of the story comes true. Remember the reference in the well known scam above about these guys ripping off elderly women who don't know any better? Anyone notice another indicator of that happening?

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#158712 - 10/20/05 03:38 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Keep in mind, folks, that not every money-making strategy is a scam. There certainly are scam artists in abundance, but just because a guy is trying to earn a buck, does not make him a slimball. Always be diligent. Get your facts straight.

There are plenty of people who make money from songwriters: demo studios, demo musicians, demo singers, publishers, seminar organizers, authors, recording artists, and on and on. Some of them have legitimate services to offer that may be WORTH what they cost. Others take the money and run, without returning fair value. It's OUR job to figure out the difference. Generally, the most likely pigeon for a scam artist is the poor fool who really thinks that he is on the brink of stardom and just needs a little help to realize the dream.

Being an Amway salesman or conducting songwriting seminars, or critiquing songs for $20 a pop is not inherently dishonest. If the value is there and the price is fair, no harm is done.

#158713 - 10/20/05 03:45 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Truman,

That's why, interestingly enough, that nothing was said about this company or the people running it except what was said about the people from that company who posted here themselves. Their own words and actions have spoken volumes about them. When a company is unwilling and unable to answer even the most basic questions about what they do and their only response is to go into attack mode, that by itself raises more than enough red flags.

Had someone said "we do X, Y and Z for this price and here's our successes and here's how we do it and why and here's who we are" no one would have cared much more beyond that. But instead of answering any of those reasonable questions, we get the BS posted by Rob here.

Brian


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#158714 - 10/20/05 03:51 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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"Not every money-making strategy is a scam...get your facts straight."

I think that's how it started out Truman; What are the facts?
Pretty simple question, with no answers.

Oops, must have been typing while you posted Brian.
And it's Colonel Rob! Let's get the facts straight.



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#158715 - 10/20/05 04:49 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Truman,

If the Amway salesman leads you to believe he's in the music industry, and then only when you're cornered, gives you the real reason why you're there, I think that falls under the category of dishonest.

#158716 - 10/20/05 05:22 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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LOL. Only if you paid for the coffee John.
Thanks for the correction Colonen Mike.
I'll stand corrected as soon as you say, "At ease men," Sir.
The war movie was the last I remeber ever seeing Audy Murphy in so I guess we got them out of sync down here.
It was 1950 something.
Probably '55 or '6.
And do agree with Trueman.
every offer put forward has to be looked at and assessed on it's individual merits, by the individual.
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#158717 - 10/20/05 07:11 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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OK. All right. enough!

#158718 - 10/20/05 11:43 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Not sure if this is the right place to post this .... [Linked Image]

I Never Knew How Easy It Could Be

well I wrote me a song and I sang it in a bar
up walked a man with a big cigar
said son I really like your style
come over here and sit awhile

well he told me I could really go far
said he could make me a country star
all I had to do was sign right here
and if I didn’t mind could I pay for his beer

chorus
I never knew how easy it could be
to see my name on a big marquee
who’d ever thought I’d be found
playin at the roughest dive in town
that fella’s so nice and he must have taste
glad he got me outta that place
he’s getting me a spot on CMT
I never knew how easy it could be

well he gave me his card and a big ole wink
said I had a whole week to sit and think
‘bout which songs I wanted to record
I could bring as many as I could afford

well I pulled into Nashville early that day
I just couldn’t believe I was on my way
I did what he said and I had the look
new hat and boots and I brought my checkbook

Repeat chorus

(bridge)
well it’s been a year and I’m back at the bar
the bills piled up I had to sell my car
bet them guys in Nashville think it’s real funny
they found ‘em a sucker who gave ‘em all his money

Repeat chorus

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#158719 - 10/20/05 11:56 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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LOL Tony.
Seems as good a place as any I guess.
Just a thought how i think one bit may work better.
well he told me I could really go far
said he could make me a country star
all I had to do was sign right here
and HE'D FILL IN THE DETAILS WHILE I BOUGHT HIM A beer.
hope that helps some Oh Lord Of The Bored
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#158720 - 10/21/05 07:22 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by C.HOLLY:
FROM A LONG TIME RETIRED ELDERLY "ONE FOOT ON A SLIPPERY ROCK AND THE OTHER"...

WELL, YOU ALL KNOW HOW IT GOES. BUT I'M STILL A MUSIC LOVER FROM A LONG WAYS BACK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.. SEEING ALL THIS ROWL GOING ON, BUT ONE THING I SURE CAN SEE. THERE MUST BE AN AWFUL LOT OF YOUNG FOLKS IN HERE NOT TO RECOGNIZE WHO COLONEL ROBERT L. CUNNINGHAM IS OR THE HISTORY BEHIND HIM.

FEW PEOPLE HAVE EVER BEEN ON THE BATTLEFRONTS IN THE HOTTEST SPOTS IN THE KOREAN WAR,DRAWING AN OFFICER'S PAY AT 15 YEARS OF AGE! FEW, EXCEPT MAYBE HIS FRIEND, AUDIE MURPHY.

THAT AIN'T NO JOKE AND IT AIN'T NO LIE.

HAHA... ROBERT CUNNINGHAM WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT TOO; IF HE HADN'T BEEN CELEBRATING HIS BIRTHDAY TOO MUCH AND WAS TRICKED INTO REVEALING HIS ACTUAL DATE OF BIRTH TO HIS COMMANDING OFFICER. THAT GOT HIM SENT HOME; BUT NOT WITHOUT HAVING SERVED A HEARTWRENCHING STINT.

HE NOT ONLY SERVED ONCE; WHEN HE CAME OUT HE ENLISTED IN ANOTHER BRANCH AND WENT AGAIN.

OBVIOUSLY NONE OF YOU KNOW WHO COL. CUNNINGHAM REALLY WAS OR BOBBY FARRELL EITHER. I CAN UNDERSTAND SKEPTICISM, BUT I'M SURE THAT IF YOU ALL KNEW, THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE TOWARD HIS COMMENTS.

JUST AS SURE AS I AM THAT, IF YOU ALL KNEW THE LOAD OF DEBT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY OWES COL. ROBERT CUNNINGHAM AND BOBBY FARRELL, YOU WOULD PAY A LOT CLOSER ATTENTION TO WHAT WAS BEING SAID THERE.

THANKS FOR LETTING ME SAY MY PIECE.
CHOLLY
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Apparently, some here do not seem to know that besides being an honest, fair and benevolent human, Audie Murphy was a successful songwriter as well. (Incidentally, he also lied about his age in joining the military... to be able to feed his younger brothers and sisters that he was left with, when his mother died.)

EXAMPLE: 'Shutters And Boards Cover The Windows'

Not only did Bobby Farrell help guide him in the music business, which would have been a much longer career, had Murph not died early on; but, being the "WORLD'S" Fastest Black Powder Draw, he doubled for Murph in film.

Bobby Farrell was one of the hottest, most successful entertainers of the MID-20th Century. With his own radio show by the time he was 6 years of age, his singing career spans from the mid-1940's through 1959, when he gave up a lucrative career in Radio and Television (yes, he had his own television show and the biggest names in Show Biz were his guests.) Bobby gave all that up at he request of his 'peers' to become a General Licenser that would handle them with care, concern and kidgloves. These artists were so bound in debt by the labels that had them in
bondage to them for the rest of their lives, they needed a way out, BESIDES SUICIDE; which some unfortunately took to end the mess.

Bobby Farrell was at the height of it all in his career; and here they wanted "him".."just a kid"... to take them and help them. And that is just how 'unselfish' Bobby Farrell was then and is to this day. He never has to this day "Advertised" his business; he never had to; the clientele were already standing in his doorway, waiting for him to open shop.

Bobby Farrell had already worked every job and all four walls related to the Recording Business and Radio by the time he was in his early teens. He used his time well when on sets. He studied and learned all he could. By the time he was 10 years old, he could build you a radio and have it transmitting out and in on a large wattage.

Knowing "WHEN" to promote an artist at the right time and "HOW"..He became one of the top 5 best breakdown men in the entire world. And him still just a kid.

Everybody in the Industry "KNEW" that Bobby Farrell was the BEST IN THE BUSINESS; and believe me they "ALL" called him out to handle problems, when NO ONE could even figure out what was wrong. HE WAS PAID THE HIGHEST MONEY IN THE BUSINESS TOO; BECAUSE HE WAS WORTH IT. IT WORKED!

If you folks had done your homework and actally read that www.vmgworldwide.com site, you would know that www.vmgworldwide.com network belongs to one of the World's Super Seven General Licensers who owns Distribution rights to help you all; one of the Seven Licensers who pays the $10,000,000.00 renewal fee per year that it takes to help "legendary" artists and the little 'pushed around' "Independent" artists like those visiting this website, get their equal opportunity in the music world. OFTEN WITHOUT PAY AT ALL! He shares the same risk as any others investing in a worldwide distributional, promotional project... AND without any "Chargebacks" or "Recoupables." Something no other label or general licenser will do, nor can do; because they didn't begin their business the same way as BFIN. They began in debt, and BFIN learned from their mistake and didn't start off his business in debt. The MONEY was on the table for an artist's career; before, any step was taken. AND IT IS STILL THAT WAY TODAY!

Therefore, there was NOTHING and NO REASON to have to pass those expenses along to the Artists in the form of "Chargebacks" and "Recoupables." (That's why big time artists today are heard saying that they do not understand "why" they owe their record labels so much. That's why so many "Legends" are having to work so hard now; starting over again. And 'bankruptcy' is no way out in the music industry, either! The paid off courts are on the side of the "Industry"... not "YOU" folks.)

Just take a look at the some 2700 artists that BFIN has helped make it to the TOP in just the last 10 years alone. From Alan Jackson to ZZTOP.

Likely the two MOST famous and MOST beloved artists that sought his skillful guidance in and protection under his wings of care and loving devotion, were his two best friends...Patsy Cline and Jim Reeves. Were it not for Bobby Farrell's knowledge of "How the business works" and his skills in promotion, Patsy and Jim would have still been struggling at the time of their deaths.

If you don't believe it, ask Charlie Dyck and Mary Reeves; as well as many families of deceased artists from all genres' of the motion picture and music world, who are 'still' surviving on royalties and mechanical rights from work that BFIN helped get them and hang onto.

There is not one of the other General Licensers that doesn't know BFIN/Bobby Farrell/VMG. Because, they are not enemies; they help one another with projects, when called upon.

Seems that some of that kind of consideration needs to be practiced in here more. Things of this sort can be avoided, if everyone would get up on the right side of the bed of the mornings; and think about the 'other fella first' ... before 'me-ism.' Life would certainly be a lot happier for all who do that.

This whole unnecessary argument started because "one" person did NOT "CLEARLY READ" the message from "Frank" close enough to understand what it was saying. And that person made a remark that "sounded" derogatory and "sounded" as an attack... whether it was intended or not. Simple as that.

"Frank" supplied the information that the other fella missed. It was presented in Press Release manner to keep the notice brief; and supplied the link for everyone interested in knowing more, to go check it out for themselves. His intention was only to help. He would have been happy to answer any questions directed back to him, in a very respectful manner. Some folks still have jobs to go to; and work in the Music Industry after ward. That could have been the case. You fellas failed to give him enough time, before you jumped.

Then when Colonel Robert Cunningham came to his defense, you likely closed the connection so that he could not make any more comments. And then you accused him of "not coming back," without tell your visitors that he couldn't, because you had blocked him. Right? Careful now, remember, you had an 'inability' to lying.

Misunderstandings happen. That's life with us imperfect humans. Accept it and go on from there. Try to find the good reasons for things people do; instead of faults.

True, Col. Robert L. Cunningham and Bobby Farrell can use some very "STRONG" language, to say the least, in telling the truth like it is. Reason being, through decades and decades of experience and talking till he's blue in the face, he has learned that there are so many people out there that refuse to have it said to them any other way; before they will pay enough attention to look into matters to "find out for themselves" whether he is telling them the straight of it.

When a man RISKS his own life; beatings, everything he owns, and constant threat to come forward with information that puts criminals behind bars, for theivery and murder; while many are still out for his blood for doing so, THAT MAN DESERVES RESPECT.... At least, from those who are NOW benefiting because of what HE suffered through just to get the truth into the courtroom and into the public's eyes and ears. (Bobby Farrell did just so in 1989...helping to clean out the "criminal elements associated with organized crime in and around Nashville. That's no act of a coward.)

"Those (including many of you) who are NOW benefiting"-- are none less than every person in the Music and Motion Picture Industry; be it Singing Artists, Songwriters, Producers, Directors, Onstage or Offstage; those behind the scenes and in the Offices of Administration/ right down to the much needed Janitor.

Thanks for allowing me to add this information to my original comments.

C.HOLLY

#158721 - 10/21/05 08:13 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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C Holly,
No one "closed a connection" to anything. It can't even be done. The graphic someone posted a link here is not generated by us. The message someone receives when they've been banned from the site is entirely different and doesn't pop up. That message appeared to simply be an internet connection problem with his service provider. So you can stop your conspiracy theories. No one blocked anyone.

The question was never answered. Was Rob a Colonel in the active military? Was Bob a General in the active military? The answer appears to be no. To use that title is an insult to all the people in the REAL military who give their time and sometimes lives to serve and earn their ranks. Getting some bogus "honorary" military sounding rank because of your work in the music industry and using that to imply credibility is offensive and sleazy.

As for the rest of your comments, it has zero relevance to whether someone runs an honest business today that can help someone. It also doesn't answer simple questions like what services are being offer for how much money and how much money do the people using these services make in return for their investment? Without simple answers to straight forward questions, no one can make an educated decision about any company or their services.

And when someone comes to an informational site and starts making personal attacks against everyone involved that are unprovoked, and continues to evade the questions that were asked, it makes them look like a scam artist. If the shoe fits...

A military rank, real or fake, doesn't mean someone is an honest business person. Serving as a child doesn't mean someone is honest as an adult. Working with people 50 years ago doesn't mean you can provide worthwhile services today. And if you can't answer simple and reasonable questions about what you do, (after doing it for 50 years) then the only thing someone can do is assume the entire thing is bogus.

It's great if you love their service. Good luck with it. Our members know who they can trust and who they can't around here. They're smart enough to all make up their own minds by simply reading the comments that have been shared. Open communication is never a bad thing to get to the bottom of a scam. Few scams can hold up long under due diligence. Few scams can hold up to people who spend a few minutes thinking about reality and not about trying to buy some dream without putting in the work and developing the talent needed.

Brian


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#158722 - 10/21/05 08:21 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Very interesting Cholly.
My answer is:
And?
What has that to do with the reaction a simple ask for some details prompted here?
I didn't know Audie Murphy wrote 22 songs, so I learned something out of it all.
Not what was being questioned but something, and that is nearly always good.
Graham

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#158723 - 10/21/05 09:56 AM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Simply this. The "character" of the gentleman you all are challenging and calling worse names than he used in his comments.

I never met Col. Robert L. Cunningham or Bobby Farrell.

But, I could read in the mid-40s and mid-50s. I knew what was on the Jukeboxes; magazine articles, television, and newspapers. And Bobby Farrell was still making some recordings in later years , 1982 .....

And I could still read in 1989, when a young man was murdered on music row in Nashville; linked to syndicated crime. I also read about Bobby Farrell being the one who nailed that whole den of wolves in sheep's clothing. Yet, you all want to "pretend" none of you ever heard of him.

Your continual remarks of low-rating others makes you look as if you are deliberately trying to keep that concealed for some reason. Makes one wonder if some of you were part of those wolves; trying to throw innocent folks that come to your website off the 'real' scent here.

You were given all the information you asked for from "Frank", before you ever even asked it.

He supplied you a link to Songwriters Radio Service; where you could just click on it and find out anything you wanted to know about their new service feature to help songwriters.

Yet, not one of you bothered to go there and thoroughly examine the links or even to contact SWRS by email to check them out.

If I could find it, why couldn't anyone else, sincerely looking?

Randall@songwritersradioservice.com

Had you done so, you would have read everything you asked; even being able to email "Frank" about it to ask him questions, too.

Therefore, it is obvious that you want only to argue and not to inform or be informed of opportunities for assistance to those sincerely seeking trustworthy guidance about their songs. Rather, you seem to throw them off the subject through your double-talk to confuse them. Just like you did in commenting on my last remarks; pretending you didn't understand them or what they had to do with the subject at hand.

Well, since you have so much trouble understanding what you obviously do not wish to anyway, I will make this my last contact and be on my way.

Have a good life.

#158724 - 10/21/05 12:08 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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First off, I agree with what all has been said about this company just explaining what they do..seems quite a simple request to me.

But I'm responding to the part about 'real charts'. I guess, after just reading the article in Performing Songwriter on ‘Payola’, my question is, what is a ‘real chart’? I mean, if Shanya Twain’s label paid $1.5 million to get her on the Pop charts, is that ‘real’? If these Indies are still being paid thousands to get songs a higher amount of spins, is that ‘real’? Is the definition of ‘real’ that you ‘earned’ your way to the chart, or that you are just on the chart? And, if the labels are paying for spins, then, of course, the PRO will pay royalties, that’s their job..again, in response to the spins, in response to the labels paying for those spins.

I guess the question is, is there such a thing as a ‘real’ chart, where the songs earned their way on it simply because the audience liked it, without any dollar persuasions being involved???

Brian, you rock!

Orlando Luckey
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#158725 - 10/21/05 12:17 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Gee wizz Cholly.
I went all over my replies and can't see anywhere I called anybody names.
I did deam Audie a b grade actor as that is my opinion, and that is what people are supposed to give on forums.
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#158726 - 10/21/05 12:19 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Ok lets recap here....
1)Someone offered a servce
2)Someone asked basic questions about that service.
3)Thread has gone on for days, yet question has not been answered.

The ulimate, logical conclusion anyone can make so far is. "This is a scam".

#158727 - 10/21/05 01:17 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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Good point gus!

Man, I've been away from this board for awhile.. I forgot how darn fun it iz!! [Linked Image]

What happened to the good Colonel, has he swallowed one of his own hand granades!? [Linked Image]

russ

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#158728 - 10/21/05 04:31 PM Re: Songwriters Read This One ASAP  
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C.Holly, you are making the assumption that no one went to the vmg website to read it. I did. Right before I made my post that I know SESAC is paying me for airplay that I'm getting, more than I ever got with BMI.

However, my feelings about VMG are not good based on the website that I saw. Here's why:

1. For as much money as VMG claims to be worth with/for artists and all this distribution power and international reach, they have a surprisingly poor design and implementation for a website. Any business worth their salt will spend the appropriate money and pay someone to design a proper site that will attract business not turn it away.

2. You C.Holly, Fingers, and Frank who has edited the original post to remove VMG's website link also mention Satellite radio services. Currently there are two in America. They are called XM and Sirius, if there are others they are operating outside of the US government jurisdiction here in the States, and that would be considered illegal. The mentions here of atlantic-satellite being worldwide would thus be incorrect.

2. a) Upon visiting atlantic-satellite's website it too is also one of those poorly designed sites that screams we're not legitimate. Compare atlantic's site to XM or Sirius and you'll see what I mean.

3. The original post was extremely brief and at one time made some obscure references to a business that didn't really explain what that business does. It was not a press release as you mentioned it was. For it was a press release it was not posted in a common press release format. Any PR person who gets results would know how to correctly format one. Frank obviously does not.

4. We suddenly get two new people who happen to know about this post and immediately come post here in defense of a poorly written "press release" and equally poor website that is not well received. You keep coming back to post about some people that hardly bring up anything in Google that is relevant to the music business. In fact I only found one reference to Bobby in wikipedia, and the rest is the BFIN for VMG. Attempting to pull anything up on the Colonel, well let's just say there isn't anything except for VMG.

5. When someone other than Brian actually responded and also asked questions about the business, Frank, Fingers, the Colonel, and even you, well, they got ignored. Except in the case of you.

6. You, C.Holly, are defending people who may have left a legacy, but I'm personally not able to dig up any information on any of these people that gives me any feeling of comfort. In the Google age, you have to go out of your way to actually not show up on their radar. Especially if you have any presence on the internet or in entertainment.

So, in response to this entire thread. It would seem that there is no headway to be made here when a business cannot properly promote itself and/or explain itself. It's not up to you C.Holly to tell us that VMG is legitimate. It's up to VMG customers, which if they had such great clients would be making them the god's that you claim they are. One phone to my representative at SESAC has already disproven that anyone has heard of this amazing company called VMG. Until this thread I'd never heard of them. I'm willing to bet that ZZ Top hasn't heard of them either - considering they're signed & distributed with Warner Brothers Records. I don't know about Alan Jackson as I'm not a fan of his.

I think that's enough of this thread.

Jody

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