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#1 The songs I've had, decade's worth of them. What you mean is demos of them and you don't have to worry about being dated
#2 And notice your focus is in "these sites ' and "IT" Not on the song or artistry , or me
#1 You have? What I mean is songs. A few months ago you were the epicenter of a dust-up and several people asked you to put up (one) song for critique as proof that you actually produce songs. You alluded to bits and pieces of personally and partially written songs, but you did not put one song forward.
Now, in the space of a week, you have put up 3.
#2 I havent played with this AI site yet that produces these songs from a handful of prompts. It appears from your posts and Mike Z's that you all can guide the process and instill some of your personal sensibilities into the process and song along the way. And the songs that you all have put up are solid creations, music and all. I think that is amazing.
But, your songs exist only because of and are built by the AI SITE, not you. These sites pull the music, instrumentation, lyrics , prosody together. Without that ability these 3 songs "of yours" would not exist.
None of that is a bad thing. It is wondrous, though it makes this human a little apprehensive about an AI future.
The takeaway... on JPF, you have now become the living example of how and why this tech will produce a deluge of "songs" by "song-writers" in addition to the galaxie that already exists.
[quote=Fdemetrio]#1 The songs I've had, decade's worth of them. What you mean is demos of them and you don't have to worry about being dated
#2 And notice your focus is in "these sites ' and "IT" Not on the song or artistry , or me
#1 You have? What I mean is songs. A few months ago you were the epicenter of a dust-up and several people asked you to put up (one) song for critique as proof that you actually produce songs. You alluded to bits and pieces of personally and partially written songs, but you did not put one song forward.
Now, in the space of a week, you have put up 3.
#2 I havent played with this AI site yet that produces these songs from a handful of prompts. It appears from your posts and Mike Z's that you all can guide the process and instill some of your personal sensibilities into the process and song along the way. And the songs that you all have put up are solid creations, music and all. I think that is amazing.
But, your songs exist only because of and are built by the AI SITE, not you. These sites pull the music, instrumentation, lyrics , prosody together. Without that ability these 3 songs "of yours" would not exist.
None of that is a bad thing. It is wonderous, though it makes this human a little apprehensive about an AI future.
The takeaway... on JPF, you have now become the living example of how and why this tech will produce a deluge of "songs" by "song-writers" in addition to the galaxie that already exists.[/quote
No that's not accurate. The song exist because I wrote them, and entered it. It didn't write it on it own. Songs it can create on its own are not better than anything I've posted.
The lyrics I've written were written with melody so they have a melodic sense already going in
Plus the idea for the lyrics and the craft to build it and make it a hook
I understand what you mean and it does bother me. That's why this is just an experiment.
Makes no sense sounding like other Artists . And I need to record myself maybe use some of this as a guide
No that's not accurate. The song exist because I wrote them, and entered it. It didn't write it on it own. Songs it can create on its own are not better than anything I've posted.
The lyrics I've written were written with melody so they have a melodic sense already going in
If you wrote the lyrics... then, you are a "music producer" who writes his own lyrics. Rather than playing an instrument and/or instructing and coordinating the efforts of a complete group of musicians and sound engineers, you input a handful of written prompts into a website ...and click your mouse.
There is going to a deluge of "music producers" and "their music"...exclusively as a result of this AI Tech.
And you have become that proof and embodiment at JPF.
The tech is coming and it wont be stopped. You may as well put it to use and square up with the reality of what it is.
No that's not accurate. The song exist because I wrote them, and entered it. It didn't write it on it own. Songs it can create on its own are not better than anything I've posted.
The lyrics I've written were written with melody so they have a melodic sense already going in
If you wrote the lyrics... then, you are a "music producer" who writes his own lyrics. Rather than playing an instrument and/or instructing and coordinating the efforts of a complete group of musicians and sound engineers, you input a handful of written prompts into a website ...and click your mouse.
There is going to a deluge of "music producers" and "their music"...exclusively as a result of this AI Tech.
And you have become that proof and embodiment at JPF.
But I play and sing too. And I write riffs and motifs . It's just that with this program it's one sided you can't add your music ideas
So it's a guide or reference for when you do it yourself.
I can liken it to having a great band, great engineer and producer at your finger tips
The. Boss had a notorious notebook that he wrote song and ideas in. bring it to studio tells band ok guys let's do it
I don't think we can blame FD for churning out these songs. He's showing how quickly it can be done and I've found it interesting. I agree it's scary.
I've been playing with AI for cover art and having a lot of fun with it. I'm going to use it for releases in the future, as well as going back and editing my website. Some folks might remember that I have a completely fictitious band, complete with bios and pictures. I used AI to generate pictures to fit the bios and I think they're much better than the photographs I had before, culled from sites like Pixabay. https://mysteriousbeings.com/meet-the-band/ I think the stock photograph business could take a big hit from AI.
I don't think we can blame FD for churning out these songs. He's showing how quickly it can be done and I've found it interesting. I agree it's scary.
I've been playing with AI for cover art and having a lot of fun with it. I'm going to use it for releases in the future, as well as going back and editing my website. Some folks might remember that I have a completely fictitious band, complete with bios and pictures. I used AI to generate pictures to fit the bios and I think they're much better than the photographs I had before, culled from sites like Pixabay. https://mysteriousbeings.com/meet-the-band/ I think the stock photograph business could take a big hit from AI.
The mysterious beings was such a great idea, your own take on spinal tap
If you or I (hobbyists) are going to end up with 3 reasonably well integrated and instrumented songs in one week, most of the heavy lifting will have been done by this AI program. This last week empirically exceeds your "completed song" output of the prior 2 or 3 decades.
It's like strapping on one of those jetpacks and then thinking that YOU can actually fly. The jetpack is flying. You are guiding it and attached. If you get one hundred feet in the air and then remove the jetpack, then you will find out what can fly and what cant.
I am not saying your AI is a bad thing. I plan to use. Probably a lot. I am saying that your output in the last few days, posted here on JPF, is microcosm of what is coming.
As I stand, I am using a form of AI with TOONTRACK on keys, organ, drums, base. It starts with a "BANDMATE" feature where I put in a few bars of guitar rhythm and the software generates compatible drum, etc styles. Then I change and tweak from there. I sort through styles and pick per my sensibilities. But I cant play piano, organ or drums. And only root notes on the bass.
I audio engineer in my DAW. I dont get a studio quality sound at my house, but I get good enough to fool most listeners and have never been turned down by any major outlets.
Back when I only had my very limited voice and guitar playing ability which is not great but competent (vis-a-vis most pop music), the instrumentation and hourly studio time ...that I spend now... would cost 25-40k per song using studios and studio musicians. Their product would be better but not 25-40k worth of better....for a hobbyist.
The point... I know where my limitations as a songwriter, musician stop and the machines take over. I am becoming more and more of a "producer." If I was producing 3 songs in a week, that would be 95% the software and I would be a producer.
If you or I (hobbyists) are going to end up with 3 reasonably well integrated and instrumented songs in one week, most of the heavy lifting will have been done by this AI program. This last week empirically exceeds your "completed song" output of the prior 2 or 3 decades.
It's like strapping on one of those jetpacks and then thinking that YOU can actually fly. The jetpack is flying. You are guiding it and attached. If you get one hundred feet in the air and then remove the jetpack, then you will find out what can fly and what cant.
I am not saying your AI is a bad thing. I plan to use. Probably a lot. I am saying that your output in the last few days, posted here on JPF, is microcosm of what is coming.
As I stand, I am using a form of AI with TOONTRACK on keys, organ, drums, base. It starts with a "BANDMATE" feature where I put in a few bars of guitar rhythm and the software generates compatible drum, etc styles. Then I change and tweak from there. I sort through styles and pick per my sensibilities. But I cant play piano, organ or drums. And only root notes on the bass.
I audio engineer in my DAW. I dont get a studio quality sound at my house, but I get good enough to fool most listeners and have never been turned down by any major outlets.
Back when I only had my very limited voice and guitar playing ability which is not great but competent (vis-a-vis most pop music), the instrumentation and hourly studio time ...that I spend now... would cost 25-40k per song using studios and studio musicians. Their product would be better but not 25-40k worth of better....for a hobbyist.
The point... I know where my limitations as a songwriter, musician stop and the machines take over. I am becoming more and more of a "producer." If I was producing 3 songs in a week, that would be 95% the software and I would be a producer.
But your still calling a track a song
A song is a song no matter how it's recorded or produced.
I know you like producing. This is production you'd have no role as producer here.
Having a good idea is still the Genesis of everything..
I think you are at a miss for a good song.
Granted people like Billy Joel or sting or Paul Simon kick my ass.
At end of day people have to like it. That [naughty word removed] country song that produced itself is not better than mine
But no way to know unless regular listeners like it.
Just cause they say hey thats pretty good, sounds good.
Doesn't really mean they Ike it the way they do their favorites.
I cant truly say that I understand what points that you are making in the last post, But suffice to say...
There is how you see it. There is how I see it. There is how someone actually in the music business might see it.
There is how it actually is and further develops....i.e. reality. We'll see.
As far me me being "at a miss for a good song"...I'm 71. I do it the way that I do it. That die is cast. If you don't think that my songs are any good...then you don't.
What this program teaches me is even if it's not creating but copying it makes one humble cause the people they are stealing from are fuckin good, And numerous, and the talent in this world just from humans is unbelievable.
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