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Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Modern Lovers - 08/01/22 08:51 PM
A bit of a social commentary on love in the modern world. I would have preferred to call it Modern Love, but that Bowie fella kind of made that title his own. I know lots of songs share titles, but when it's that well known, it would be a bit like writing a song and calling it Hey Jude smile

Verse 2 is a wee bit rude. I think it comes across as playful rather than offensive, but I do have an alternative version, which I've placed at the end of the lyric.


All suggestions and comments much appreciated, as always.

SoundCloud Link
https://soundcloud.com/themysteriousbeings/modern-lovers



MODERN LOVERS

Meet Martin, his friends are very few
Living with his mother at the age of forty-two
But after dinner, upstairs in his room
He talks to Geraldine for hours over Zoom
He’s a modern lover, and he’s on the Internet
With a lady in New Zealand that he hasn’t met yet
She’s just having breakfast, it’s the end of his day
In fact, it's past his bedtime, what would his mother say?
It’s modern love!
It’s modern love.

This is Larry and he’s something of a loner
Got some pills off the Internet that guarantee a boner
She’ll phone when she’s alone and
He’ll be smiling when she says,
"So Larry, what you up to these days?"
He’s a modern lover and he’s ready to connect
To Connie in Connecticut as soon as he’s erect
They’re finding love, 90 miles apart
And we’d better leave it there because the fun’s about to start.
It’s modern love!
It’s modern love.

This is Madge, she’s one hell of a catch
If you believe the picture at her profile up on Match
When she’s finished with the ironing, exactly at eight
She takes her phone up to her bedroom, ‘cause Madge has a date
She’s a modern lover, doesn’t play by the book
You’ll never reel him in without that bait on your hook
And no, he won’t have a seizure when he sees her
She’s pretty sure that picture isn’t really him either
Modern love!
It’s modern love.

Guitar solo

Danny’s friend Dinah, that he met online
It seems that he’s a trucker from South Carolina
But he’s actually quite cute, and Danny doesn’t mind.
The way he sees it, you take her as you find her,
Modern love!
It’s modern love.

This is Billy, and he's feeling rather silly
For sending all the ladies a picture of his willy
But everybody’s doing it, or so he understands
And you’ll never find romance without an iPhone down your pants
He’s a modern lover but he’s pining for the time
When you brought a lady flowers and took her out to dine
One evening in the produce aisle he checks out Caroline
And together they check out a bottle of wine
It's modern love!
It’s modern love.


Here's the slightly toned down version of the second verse, relying more on innuendo because some listeners might be put off by some of the words which don't usually find their way into popular music. I think I prefer the original straightforward version to this one, but would be interested in what others think.

Phil’s little pill gives him brand new superpowers
He’ll seek medical assistance if they last more than four hours
She’ll phone when she’s alone and
He’ll be smiling when she says
"So Phil. what’s up with you these days?"
He’s a modern lover and he’s ready to connect
To Alanna from Atlanta when the tablets take effect
They’re finding love, five hundred miles apart
And we’d better leave it there because the fun’s about to start.
It’s modern love!
It’s modern love.
Posted By: E Swartz Re: Modern Lovers - 08/02/22 01:25 AM
Hey Gavin,

This was a fun song to listen to--perhaps many will surely relate to the internet love game and others will enjoy. I think the song has a humorous yet realistic approach to online dating that will keep the listener's riveted--melody works well with this tune as well. Clever lyrics!

As far as the 2nd vs--my thoughts are if you were to pitch this is that the original verse would of course be funnier and maybe more direct to the point, but I think it may after several listens start to lose its original humor and begin to lose the original unexpected humor and gradually become considered a bit crude--thus I think your 2nd version will get the same message across without losing it's longer term humor and also be less disconcerting in keeping a listener's full attention -- Ex: In a live stage show when a line gets a big laugh, the characters on stage wait till the laugh dies down a bit before continuing their upcoming dialogue so that it doesn't get lost in the scene etc.-- you can't do that with a song however.

Maybe I'm wrong and its not a big deal, I do surely think its funny, but longer term, the more bland version may 'stay' funny and appeal to a wider group--but you follow your own instincts, as a songwriter, its cool to be brave as well!

steady-eddie
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 08/02/22 02:00 AM
B O N E R ! In a SONG!
LMFAO.... I love BONER! I say BONER stays!
BONER BONER BONER BONER smile
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 08/03/22 03:57 PM
Thanks for the detailed answer, Eddie. It's nice when someone actually reads a specific question and responds to it rather than just saying it's great or it stinks LOL. I think you make some good points and I'll consider them as well as any other feedback I get. Thanks again!
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 08/03/22 05:42 PM
("""Here's the slightly toned down version of the second verse, relying more on innuendo because some listeners might be put off by some of the words which don't usually find their way into popular music.""")

Let's make "BONER" popular! smile
Posted By: Little_stevie_b Re: Modern Lovers - 08/04/22 06:01 AM
"She’s a modern lover, doesn’t play by the book
You’ll never reel him in without that bait on your hook
And no, he won’t have a seizure when he sees her
She’s pretty sure that picture isn’t really him either"

That's priceless, Gavin. A fun little romp. One observation as a listener and of course that's totally subjective. There are a lot of verses and they are all strong lyrically but it started to lose some of the comedic effect for me after awhile as a result with the only break in the action being the brief solo.

It seems to my ear that one of two possibilities would strengthen it in that regard. And I'm only going to spend this much time in details cause frankly, the song and your tongue in cheek delivery kind of remind me of...well...ME!!! Okay, okay, so I liked it on its own merits. There. Are ya happy?

So...The observations...

1) Cut a few verses. I know it's hard when they all have their own individual charm but to strengthen the whole work it might be prudent.

2) And this might be preferrable of the two. Keep the solo and maybe even add a little turnaround or something completely abrupt and out of the ordinary musically just for a second...something perhaps just a bit quirky musically (just enough to raise an ear but not be distracting) with the briefest of pauses just to throw the listener off the scent..and then jump right back in just as abruptly with the chorus, "Modern Love" and continue on with the remaining verses. Another option would be to take one of the more humorous verses and make it into a bridge. You'll break the monotony a second time while maybe even giving those lines a brighter spotlight as a highlight...and then go for the finish in a last verse.

Lots of words, I know. I'm to the point of not making suggestions with an eye on "pitching the song" anymore. I think a more impactful input from me is simply, did I like it or not and why. That's what the audience we all seek is listening for. They're not record company execs. They are not going to try to pick the pepper out of the fly droppings through a magnifying glass either. Did it or didn't it move them in some way emotionally.

In this case suggestions are for the purpose of simply making it more impactful in its whimsy and comedic element....or not. Why? Because it moved me on an emotional level. It was lighthearted and made me grin a lot through the journey. I feel it time well spent.

Regards,
Steve
Posted By: Little_stevie_b Re: Modern Lovers - 08/04/22 06:20 AM
By the way, Gavin. I find I prefer the more subtle version of the second verse, especially because of the understated comedic delivery. Onstage I can imagine the response of the audience as you totally deadpan the delivery on..

"Phil’s little pill gives him brand new superpowers
He’ll seek medical assistance if they last more than four hours"

Your call, of course but I think the more subtle approach would get a better reaction.

Oh, something else I want to address. I've only been on here I think twice in the last 5+ years. I survived a very long and lifethreatening illkness and after a few months when I could somewhat type again I came on to address what someone else had written on my behalf and the nice comments to that.

I remember you pointing out we were next door neighbors buit at the time and for a long timer after Iwas pretty much an island unto myself.

I couldn't physically play an instrument and my voice was pretty much destroyed by 7 weeks on a mechanical ventilaor and 5 months with a trach. Honestly I lost all interest in makig music for the most part so there was no reason in my mind for hanging around songwriters and producers, etc. I didn't mean to be rude.

Truth is, after finding the site was back up I hoped you would find out and show up so I could respectfully introduce myself. If you would be interested I'd certainly be up for an introductory get together sometime. I see you're in Conover. We're actually just a little behind the Hickory airport.

Just wanted to address that as well, Sir.

Steve B.
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 08/04/22 11:37 PM
Thanks for the detailed comments, Steve. Some interesting ideas to think about and I'll definitely do that.

So that's two votes for the subtle version and JAPOV adamant in his support of the boner so far.

I'm glad you are feeling better. I'm up for a get together. Maybe somewhere in beautiful downtown Hickory? I'll PM you.
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 08/05/22 12:00 AM
Nothing is more optimistic than a big fat manly "BONER"! smile
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 08/06/22 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by JAPOV
Nothing is more optimistic than a big fat manly "BONER"! smile
I see your point there smile
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 08/12/22 03:44 AM
Right! Especially if it identifies as an 18yo blonde female cheerleader wink
Posted By: John Voorpostel Re: Modern Lovers - 08/15/22 08:07 PM
Scads of fun Gavin.

I too like the more subtle approach so, sorry Tony, but you are on your own here

Like Steve's commentary too...makes some good points if you want to experiment some
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 08/16/22 06:28 AM
Fine, I'll just keep it to myself then... lol wink
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 08/17/22 01:37 PM
Originally Posted by JAPOV
Fine, I'll just keep it to myself then... lol wink

Not an image I care to dwell on lol.
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 08/18/22 01:05 PM
Ha! I know that's right! The women in the ladies room at Walmart hate it when I go in there... I may "feel" like a woman, but I still pee in the sink smile
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 08/19/22 09:43 PM
Originally Posted by JAPOV
Ha! I know that's right! The women in the ladies room at Walmart hate it when I go in there... I may "feel" like a woman, but I still pee in the sink smile
You think you're Shania Twain? It's not the peeing in the sink that upsets the ladies but the way you murder that song while you're doing so.
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 08/20/22 01:20 AM
Would be funny if that were true lol... I usually sing "Fat Bottom Girls" wink
Posted By: MFB III Re: Modern Lovers - 08/20/22 03:34 AM
Wow You nailed it, all of the actually anti social anti physical, long distance, electronic love that goes on. I am so glad that i grew up when I did. Well done Gavin.
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 08/20/22 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Scads of fun Gavin.

I too like the more subtle approach so, sorry Tony, but you are on your own here

Like Steve's commentary too...makes some good points if you want to experiment some
Thanks John. Another vote against Tony's boner. My huge listening audience seems to be coming down firmly on the side of a slightly more subtle approach.
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 08/21/22 07:45 AM
Ha! Yeah', OK... I'll own it! smile

"huge"..."coming"..."firmly"... Lol
Posted By: maccharles Re: Modern Lovers - 08/21/22 04:13 PM
Went to listen to this and got an ad instead, had to shut it down immediately......ugh.
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 08/21/22 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by maccharles
Went to listen to this and got an ad instead, had to shut it down immediately......ugh.
Yes, that can be annoying. Soundcloud has gone to displaying the occasional ad unless you're a PRO subscriber. That's the first time I've heard of one popping up immediately when you click on a link. I've only noticed it between songs before. At least it spared you having to listen to me sing LOL.
Posted By: Vicarn Re: Modern Lovers - 08/22/22 07:59 AM
You're good at those comic lyrics Gavin.
Made me chuckle.
Music sounds a little straight out of the box though. That'd be worth working on. Maybe a touch of the subdued Calvin sound?

Vic
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 08/23/22 02:31 PM
Originally Posted by MFB III
Wow You nailed it, all of the actually anti social anti physical, long distance, electronic love that goes on. I am so glad that i grew up when I did. Well done Gavin.
Thanks Matt. I didn't really set out to nail anything, just have a bit of fun with the characters in the song, but it did kind of turn into a bit of a critique of the very things I find funny about their situations smile
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 08/26/22 08:03 PM
Originally Posted by Vicarn
You're good at those comic lyrics Gavin.
Made me chuckle.
Music sounds a little straight out of the box though. That'd be worth working on. Maybe a touch of the subdued Calvin sound?

Vic
Thanks Vic. Glad to have brought about a chuckle. I was chuckling as I wrote it.

I don't think I could channel Calvin - he's pretty unique smile Also, not sure that it would work with this particular song. What I wanted was a straightforward up-tempo boppy feel. I get what you are saying with "a little straight out of the box," of course LOL.
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 08/29/22 11:42 PM
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair Re: Modern Lovers - 09/03/22 12:39 PM
No, Tony, it doesn't matter how nicely you ask. I'm not playing with your ding-a-ling.
Posted By: JAPOV Re: Modern Lovers - 09/03/22 01:20 PM
OMG! I certainly stepped in THAT one... O_O
Posted By: IronKnee Re: Modern Lovers - 09/24/22 03:35 PM
Hi Gavin..............put a smile on my face from the git-go. Love the rhyming.
Your comedic timing and delivery is great.
Very entertaining.
Fun stuff!
-T
Posted By: Calvin Re: Modern Lovers - 09/25/22 11:07 AM
Hello Gavin,


It's ha- ha clever.

Thanks for sharing what you do.


Calvin
https://www.soundclick.com/artist/default.cfm?bandID=11440
Posted By: Deej56 Re: Modern Lovers - 09/26/22 09:03 PM
Gavin,

You really do have a way with words, with a fresh and always clever take to storytelling—excellent write. Like this a lot—Gavin and The Mysterious Beings at their very best. Nice production as well; vocal sits very nicely in that mix. Well done!

All my best to you,

Deej
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