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Posted By: JAPOV

Some interesting math... - 01/29/21 05:54 AM

1Acre = 4840 square yards
Total acreage of USA = 2.27 Billion
Current world population 7.8 Billion
2.27/7.8 = 0.291 acres or 1613 sq yards (4839 sq ft)
Average area of a "family dwelling" in USA = 2000 sq ft

1 sq mile = 640 acres
Land mass of planet Earth = 57,506,000 sq miles
Land mass of USA = 3,546,875 sq miles (6% of total land)
Planet Earth is 70% water
The total surface area of Earth is about 197 million square miles
The USA = 1.8% of the total surface area of planet Earth

The atmosphere of planet Earth is 300 miles thick
Posted By: lane1777

Re: Some interesting math... - 01/29/21 07:13 AM

hey Tony, I was looking at some map legends" and Wisconsin has 88 people per sq mile, I thought that was a lot! thats 88 people a section I think..
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 01/29/21 07:59 AM

640 acres / 88 = 7.3 acres per person... Sounds like plenty of elbow room to me smile
Posted By: lane1777

Re: Some interesting math... - 01/29/21 08:08 AM

hey you got roads, houses, barns crops all kinds of stuff in that 7.3 maybe its just me...lol sounds pretty small, before I run into someone..lol
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 01/29/21 08:40 AM

Perspective is everything. If the entire population can comfortably occupy only 1.8% of the planet... then where are all the planet's resources going? If 20% of the population owns 90% of the planet's resources... then how does "supply and demand" factor into our current debt?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 01/29/21 09:50 PM

Here's some more interesting math...

The current global debt is 253 Trillion
If you could spend 1 dollar per second, that's 86,400 dollars per day, it would take you 8,022,577 years to spend 253 Trillion

It occurs to me that mankind has reached a strange time in its evolution, when the concept of "money" has outgrown the worth of the planet we occupy.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/11/21 10:01 AM

Hmmmm...

Total population of USA = 330,000,000
330,000,000 X $1,400 = $462,000,000,000
$2,000,000,000,000 - $462,000,000,000 = $1,538,000,000,000

That's a LOT of bacon...

Posted By: John Lawrence Schick

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/11/21 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
Hmmmm...

Total population of USA = 330,000,000
330,000,000 X $1,400 = $462,000,000,000
$2,000,000,000,000 - $462,000,000,000 = $1,538,000,000,000

That's a LOT of bacon...



Never let a chance go by to mix a lot of pork in with a moral cause.

John smile
Posted By: Gary E. Andrews

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/11/21 04:47 PM

And some ham and pork chops!
You could arm a lot of right-wing dictators with Weapons of Mass Destruction with that much money!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/11/21 05:04 PM

more interesting math, and were still trying to get heard...


You’ll be stunned at how many songs are added to streaming music services every day.

The good news is that you can find just about any song you could want on the streaming music services. The bad news is that there are at least 35 million songs available. And that number is increasing every single day.

According to Hypebot.com, a thousand songs are uploaded to Spotify, Apple, Google Music, Napster, Dezzer, and the other streamers every hour. That’s 24,000 songs every day and 1 million tracks every six weeks. Extrapolating further, we’re talking about almost 9 million added to the streamers’ catalogues every year.

About half of the daily upload consists of brand new songs. The rest are older tracks that have been digitized and tagged.

In other words, the signal-to-noise ratio is getting worse by the second. You gotta wonder how many of these tracks will be heard even once. (By the way, there’s a site called Forgotify which will play you a stream of songs that haven’t ever been heard on Spotify.)

Yes, it’s possible to post your music to a worldwide audience for next to nothing. Cutting through the clutter? That’s another matter–and it’s why we’ll still need record labels for the foreseeable future. They specialize in relationships that get music into the hands and ears of the right people so they have a better chance of being heard. Not everyone can be Chance the Rapper.

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Posted By: Gavin Sinclair

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/11/21 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
Hmmmm...

Total population of USA = 330,000,000
330,000,000 X $1,400 = $462,000,000,000
$2,000,000,000,000 - $462,000,000,000 = $1,538,000,000,000

That's a LOT of bacon...


It sure is, even if your math is a bit off since 22% of the population is under 18 and most won't get get checks and about 3.5% are undocumented immigrants and also don't get one. Then again, some of those youngsters will boost the amount their parents get. Multiply the total by the square root of your mother's age minus the number of minutes to type this before I started to wonder why....
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/11/21 07:05 PM

Math is subject to opinion...I never thought it could be till Bruce taught me otherwise.

I woulda never believed 1+1=3

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8726716-the-primary-math-of-the-real-world-is-one-and
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/12/21 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Originally Posted by JAPOV
Hmmmm...

Total population of USA = 330,000,000
330,000,000 X $1,400 = $462,000,000,000
$2,000,000,000,000 - $462,000,000,000 = $1,538,000,000,000

That's a LOT of bacon...


It sure is, even if your math is a bit off since 22% of the population is under 18 and most won't get get checks and about 3.5% are undocumented immigrants and also don't get one. Then again, some of those youngsters will boost the amount their parents get. Multiply the total by the square root of your mother's age minus the number of minutes to type this before I started to wonder why....


Thanks for recognizing my point there Gavin. It's not like everyone with a birthday in the USA is going to get a check... but, even if they did, it would still equal less than 25% of the entire stimulus plan. Just think how much more could be done if the plan were more focused. Such as, a debt forgiveness plan across the board for everyone for the last year?
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/12/21 12:43 AM

Just think how much more US citizens could get if all 1.9 trillion was spent on them. No matter what your political leanings are, everybody should be appalled how little the people actually get.

I wonder if Ill get mine, i havent gotten a stimulus check yet. Going back to Trump
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/12/21 01:27 AM

Shshshsh... Don't say the "T" word... They'll move the thread!
Posted By: Gavin Sinclair

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/12/21 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Just think how much more US citizens could get if all 1.9 trillion was spent on them. No matter what your political leanings are, everybody should be appalled how little the people actually get.

I wonder if Ill get mine, i havent gotten a stimulus check yet. Going back to Trump

If you haven't got one and you were entitled to it, you can point this out on your tax return and claim it when you file. You won't get a check with T's signature on it to remind you that he's such a great guy, but with a little self-discipline you can overcome that disappointment when it ends up in your bank account.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: Some interesting math... - 03/12/21 03:42 AM

Prolly a bad year to be a tax preparer, gotta know so many things.
Posted By: John Lawrence Schick

COVID Vaccine Experiences Here... - 04/23/21 06:42 PM

Sandy & I had our second COVID shot yesterday. We both woke up terribly fatigued. I also had a headache, body aches, and nausea. Basically, a mild flu. These symptoms seem to be diminishing this afternoon.

Anyone else experience symptoms?

Best, John smile
Posted By: niteshift

Re: COVID Vaccine Experiences Here... - 04/23/21 08:02 PM

Hey John,

From what I understand, it's an attenuated vaccine, in that it may give you mild symptoms of the actual disease.

Much better of course, than getting it for real and ending up in intensive care. I'm sure it will pass. smile

cheers, niteshift
Posted By: John Voorpostel

Re: COVID Vaccine Experiences Here... - 04/23/21 08:09 PM

Had the Phizer shot myself John and absolutely no side effects of any kind except a slight change in appearance

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Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: COVID Vaccine Experiences Here... - 04/23/21 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Sandy & I had our second COVID shot yesterday. We both woke up terribly fatigued. I also had a headache, body aches, and nausea. Basically, a mild flu. These symptoms seem to be diminishing this afternoon.

Anyone else experience symptoms?

Best, John smile


My wife and I got Pfizer. At the same times. She had flu symptoms and I didn't. Passed for her in about 24 hours.


Posted By: John Lawrence Schick

Re: COVID Vaccine Experiences Here... - 04/24/21 10:35 AM

Feeling back to normal today. Hope you guys are doing well.

Best, John smile
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/05/21 10:53 PM

-Covid death toll approaching 600,000 in USA...
-Population USA = 330,000,000...
-That's 0.18% who have a severe reaction to Covid... (or almost 2 out of every 1,000 people with co-morbidities, and the stats drop drastically for people under 50y/o)

Check the math against the population "WHERE YOU LIVE" and see if it's right...

I know the math seems cold-hearted, but unless Covid manages to mutate into something much more lethal, mandatory universal vaccinations, quarantines, and shutdowns are not going to be the savior of humanity... Especially since 99.999% of children already seem to be immune. This virus attacks a very specific weakness in the human genome, and there simply hasn't been enough time for virologists to get ahead of it. However, this is still the first time in history that a virus and a vaccine have evolved simultaneously, and governments around the world keep assuming more and more authority and control. Covid 19, engineered or not?
Posted By: niteshift

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/05/21 11:11 PM

Hey JAPOV, it has already mutated. The strain here in Fiji has a double mutation ( the one from India ) One case turned into 50 with 3 untraceable links.

These little pieces of RNA are damn smart. Smarter than me me I reckon, when I can't write a song because I only have one brain cell functioning.

cheers, niteshift
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/05/21 11:24 PM

Mutations are irrelevant unless they become more lethal... Math is not politically biased, math does not lie.

PS, who accused you of having a brain cell? smile
Posted By: Everett Adams

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/06/21 10:13 AM

It would almost make you think that this virus was designed to take out the old and those that have underlying illness. Make it cheaper for government to operate and control.
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/06/21 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Everett Adams
It would almost make you think that this virus was designed to take out the old and those that have underlying illness. Make it cheaper for government to operate and control.
''

Yes. I saw a quote that 40 percent of the deaths in the US were nursing home residents.

I dont like conspiracy theories. They fck up your brain and have people using far flung imaginings as a the foundation and basis that other far-flung imaginings rest on.
They enable twisted freaks such as Alex Jones to affect the minds and behaviors of thousands. Until conspiracies are proven, I have no desire to chase after them....

BUT

Imagining the following scenario seems eerily plausible....
Consider the people at the top eschelon of the Chinese Communist Party. China goes where they decide that it goes. All of their studies show a population that is so overwhelming that it is going to have dire and unsupportable future consequences. So they enact the one-child-law. They allow each couple one kid and are said to actually round up women pregnant with a second child and forcibly abort them. It becomes so unpopular that it threatens instability and they resend it. Yet their population problem marches on with the same dire consequences in the offing. Of particular concern is supporting old people into later and later years.

And then....a few years later a disease emerges that is highly contagious and essentially emulates pneumonia by attacking the lungs. Pneumonia is well known to kill off old people and "the weak."
The disease coincidentally emerges in China and coincidentally in a food market that is coincidentally close to a bio agent lab.

I wasnt there. All I know of it comes to me from 3rd parties in the media. Yet those dots SEEM so connectable. If anyone thinks that this is far fetched and absurd, read up on what Mao and the CCP were willing to do to bring China into conformance with their socialist visions. The CCP vision of how things work is nothing like an average soccer mom. There is a "greater good" to be concerned with and the only thing not subordinate to that are the fortunes of those in power.



Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/06/21 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Everett Adams
It would almost make you think that this virus was designed to take out the old and those that have underlying illness. Make it cheaper for government to operate and control.
''

There is a "greater good" to be concerned with and the only thing not subordinate to that are the fortunes of those in power.



The fortunate and powerful always believe what they do IS FOR THE GREATER GOOD... As a Desert Storm vet, and son of a Vietnam vet, I have a particular hatred for the insidious nature of biochemical warfare and how its lingering effects can be so easily ignored and politically dismissed. However, the thought of shifting from "battlefield crowd control" to "political population control" should not be so easily ignored as tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, considering how old and genetically advanced the science of biochemistry is today. Covid-19, with its highly focused morbidity factor and unnatural genetic markers for human contagion, make it a prime suspect for biochemical engineering. All we lack is proof, which could have easily been found or ruled out at Wuhan over a year ago. Now, just like Gulf War Syndrome, it's too late and too politically incorrect to investigate; But the effects will undoubtedly continue to be bothersome.

I see Covid-19 achieving several political functions, the least of which is killing off "old money" and old political dominion...
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/06/21 08:43 PM

Eloquently stated Tony....

If...the disease was carefully constructed with targets and goals in mind, what do you think that those goals are? ...beyond culling the herd?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/06/21 09:28 PM

Lol... Now you're ASKING me to venture off into "tinfoil hat" territory...
Genetic science, designer biochemical engineering, eugenic aristocracy, racial superiority, global environmental equilibrium... These are not new concepts to those who would claim ownership and control of the Earth "for the greater good" and to ensure humanity's proper and healthy future...

You want "tinfoil hat"? Considering Covid-19's overall low morbidity rate, what if it's really just a test? What if its purpose was to simply determine how quickly the world could be infected? Now consider what someone with more malicious intent could do with it...
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/06/21 10:27 PM

I don't think that it was a test. The world has had many pandemics. We came through this one with relatively few casualties. And the computer models worked reasonably well at predicting numbers. Dont see a need for a trial run.

Just cant help wondering about where it came from and the historical context of China.

Even if they did do it, we cant do anything about it. They have used highly productive cheap labor to usurp our mfg base so we cant afford to rock that boat or they will cut us off from everything, They have amassed profits from that labor and used them to build an army that we probably could not beat in a strategic war without nukes.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: Some interesting math... - 05/07/21 01:34 AM

Funny you mention computer models... Even they indicate that, if the virus truly did naturally originate from bats, outbreak ground zero would not have been Wuhan... And that's not to mention, China allowed international travel despite knowledge of the virus, which they tried to "hide" early on by silencing internet informers. Then, they tried to blame it on US troops.

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
Posted By: Brian Austin Whitney

All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/09/21 01:28 AM

Hi Folks,

The Covid/Political discussions are taking over again so I will be merging them all here. 1 post is more than enough.

Brian
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/11/21 03:03 AM

Facts are facts and math doesn't lie Brian... So, who's being political?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/11/21 09:30 PM

Population of Fiji= 890,000
Covid 19 related deaths to date= 3
That's 0.00033% of the population that has an adverse reaction to the disease...

But all we ever hear about are the retirement homes in NYC... Getting my point yet?
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/11/21 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
Population of Fiji= 890,000
Covid 19 related deaths to date= 3
That's 0.00033% of the population that has an adverse reaction to the disease...

But all we ever hear about are the retirement homes in NYC... Getting my point yet?


The theories that the disease was designed to take out old people and facilitated by Mario Cuomo just got a boost from the Tony.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/12/21 12:45 AM

Lol... I'm no fan of Cuomo, but common sense dictates that the stats in big, dirty, overpopulated cities are always going to be alarming; but that doesn't mean that the same precautionary measures should apply "world wide". The only thing I see perpetuating the political animosity surrounding this disease is fear of the unknown... and capitalizing off that fear is unconscionable. Now, the stats are showing that immunizations don't really help the elderly or those with co-morbidities, and there are still "no stats" regarding the effectiveness of masks, shutdowns, immunization v/s mutation, or what percentage of the population has already contracted the virus and just doesn't know it.

Look, I'm not suicidal; and I really am just as worried about the fatality rate of this virus among the elderly as anyone else, considering both my parents are still alive. Good grief... they're too afraid to even leave the house! However, until there are some verifiable facts about this thing, I simply can't decide whether or not to allow myself to become an "immunization guinea pig", even for my own parents sake! There are far too many unanswered questions and politically biased opinions for me to comfortably make an intelligent and informed decision... I just don't believe the hype! The math doesn't add up!
Posted By: niteshift

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/13/21 10:16 PM

Hey JAPOV, what's with the nursing homes in NY ?

cheers, niteshift
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/14/21 02:20 AM

Oh, come on nite! You're not that "cut-off" from the rest of the world out there on your little island... Besides, lol... you know damn well I can't even begin to respond to that without getting purely, conservatively, Constitutionally political smile
Posted By: niteshift

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/14/21 03:57 AM

LOL, Ok I'll leave it alone..... but I still don't understand.

cheers, niteshift
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/14/21 05:49 PM

Fiji is not as densely populated as NYC, and Cuomo made some really stupid decisions early in the outbreak just to make "Anti-Trump" political points...
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/17/21 10:50 PM

Population of USA= 330,000,000
Deaths due to Covid 19= 600,000
95% of deaths were age 50+
16.5% of Americans are age 65 or older, that's 54,450,000
600,000 is 1.1% of 54,450,000. Or, that's a survival rate of 98.9%

So.... What exactly does this mean...?
"A CDC report published in early May of 2021 found that getting either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine was 94% effective against COVID-19 hospitalization among fully vaccinated adults aged 65 and older."
Posted By: niteshift

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/17/21 11:23 PM

Yes the facts speak for themselves. Vaccination wins hands down.

cheers, niteshift
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/17/21 11:30 PM

Lol... Math and Mexican beer don't mix Niteshift! wink
Posted By: niteshift

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/17/21 11:54 PM

Math and ANY beer doesn't mix JAPOV. grin

cheers, niteshift
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/18/21 02:27 PM

Lol, OK... Let me simplify the equation for you.....

If, according to the stats we're given, everyone 65 or older already has a 99% survival rate, why take an immunization shot that's only 94% effective?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/18/21 10:30 PM


Reinfection with COVID-19
Updated Oct. 27, 2020

Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare​.​

In general, reinfection means a person was infected (got sick) once, recovered, and then later became infected again. Based on what we know from similar viruses, some reinfections are expected. We are still learning more about COVID-19. Ongoing COVID-19 studies will help us understand:

How likely is reinfection
How often reinfection occurs
How soon after the first infection can reinfection take place
How severe are cases of reinfection
Who might be at higher risk for reinfection
What reinfection means for a person’s immunity
If a person is able to spread COVID-19 to other people when reinfected

What CDC is doing

CDC is actively working to learn more about reinfection to inform public health action. CDC developed recommendations for public health professionals to help decide when and how to test someone for suspected reinfection. CDC has also provided information for state and local health departments to help investigate suspected cases of reinfection. We will update this guidance as we learn more about reinfection.
Prevention

At this time, whether you have had COVID-19 or not, the best way to prevent infection is to take steps to protect yourself:

Wear a mask in public places
Stay at least 6 feet away from other people
Wash your hands
Avoid crowds and confined spaces
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Why hasn't this been updated since last October?
Posted By: niteshift

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/19/21 08:08 AM

Ok JAPOV, point taken.

Covid has a kill rate of under 1% , yet it overwhelms the health systems of the most advanced countries.

Ebola has a kill rate over 30%. Lucky it was not airborne huh ?

cheers, niteshift
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/19/21 09:33 AM

Lol... Nite, that's the whole point I've been trying to get across...
They've been focused only on "shutting down" and "immunizing". Why? Because they're in complete control and they love it like that! We have no idea how effective the damn masks are because we have no clue what percentage of the population has already contracted the virus! Don't you get it?!? It's all a bunch of manipulative, divisive, "party line" political bull$h!t!!! and the daily statistics are a Fu(k!n& insult!!!

Are they getting away with treating the population like we're too stupid to do the math, or is the majority of the population really that stupid?!? I just can't tell anymore...
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/22/21 01:06 PM

How many times do I have to say it... This is the first time in history that a virus and an immunization have evolved at the same time...

https://youtu.be/Yhb4aazJMF0

If the virus does not have a natural origin, then what "SCIENCE" exactly did the immunization evolve FROM?
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/26/21 12:19 PM

Well Nite

On the local tv last they said that the positivity rate in Houston-Harris county was 3 percent and change.
The Astros played in front of a full capacity sold-out game last night.

We'll see if this thing is finally wrapping up.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 05/29/21 11:57 AM

WTF!!! https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm

I don't even know where to begin to do the math on this BS!! The mortality rate of covid19 among those 65 or older is already less than 1%, but the CDC is claiming that "breakthrough cases" are exceedingly rare and hard to track...

Really?!? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/new...id-cases-in-vaccinated-team-members.html
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/03/21 06:50 PM

https://youtu.be/yp6btJhS66c

Nobody is injecting me with a damn thing!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/03/21 07:07 PM

Just get the damn shot already Japov.

I had my second shot a week ago. Whats odd is I had symptoms after the first one, not the second one. Normally the body first gets exposed to it, and if you had the virus already, the first shot will cause symptoms. If you didnt the second one might.

I had flu like symptoms after the first shot, and my arm was so sore i couldnt sleep on it. I told the pharmacist this and she said, that the second shot might be worse. i had ZERO symptoms. It leads me to believe that I had covid already. There was a time in march where I couldnt stop coughing, coughing so hard i was pulling muscles and losing power in my throat and neck out of whack. But i had no other symptoms, no fever, no headache, no loss of smell, nothing but the cough. So with a normal temp, everybody told me not to worry.

it went away after about two weeks. So the fact that i had a reaction to the first shot leads me to believe i had it, and the first shot was the aggressor, not the second, i had no symptoms for the second one

Just get the damn shot or ill knock you out myself....
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/05/21 12:30 AM

Wow... Now they're saying that the actual morbidity rate for people 70+ is only 0.5%, and we still don't know what percentage of the population has been infected...

Does your immunization passport really make you feel better about yourself?
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/05/21 12:33 AM

Why do you care about the numbers? get the shot and you never have to read the numbers again

So far nobody has ever asked me for proof that I got the shot, but that may be cause i still have to wear masks anywhere I got

Once the masks are gone, you might have to prove you got a shot or you aint getting in

I think the summer time is giving us a false lul. Same thing happened last summer covid disappeared in the summer and came back in the fall, likely it happens again.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/05/21 12:42 PM

Dom, I miserably failed at trying to get you to see prophetic common sense in the Bible... So, I'm not about to try and teach you 6th grade math.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/05/21 12:52 PM

You're an utter failure Japov, knock it off now... lolllllllllllllllll

J/k, you're not a failure, as i proposed in the other thread, truth is not absolute, this proves that. im just trying to say, who gives a chit about the numbers, conspiracy, no conspiracy, the vaccine is not going hurt you, can only help you, nothing but upside, get the damn shot.

You just want to not get it to outsmart everybody, you're not, just get it, and you can bang up this discussion forever.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/05/21 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
How many times do I have to say it... This is the first time in history that a virus and an immunization have evolved at the same time...

https://youtu.be/Yhb4aazJMF0

If the virus does not have a natural origin, then what "SCIENCE" exactly did the immunization evolve FROM?

You really should pay attention Dom... You're not just putting your faith in science, you're BLINDLY putting your faith in the WRONG science. How many times have you said, "Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's so?" Who's telling you that these vaccines can't do any harm? Are they modern day "science prophets" who can see the future? WHY ARE THEY GOING SO HARD AND HEAVY AFTER CHILDREN WITH THIS VACCINE!?! If YOU'RE dumb enough to believe everything the GOVERNMENT tells you then you deserve what you get! I just pray that our children's children aren't born retarded and sterile...
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/05/21 02:06 PM

But as i said, i dont have to worry about the science, i got the shot.

If you were driving a car, and you heard an announcement on the radio that the model care you have is being recalled for faulty breaks, that can fall off at any moment. Would you keep driving...you might, i might, cause you wanna get home, but then youd do something about it, otherwise youd be driving every day worried, until the brakes were replaced. Even if only a few people had the brakes fall off, but you might be the one.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/05/21 03:45 PM

Can somebody please tell me how the hell I'm supposed to intelligently respond to that?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 05:18 AM

Myocarditis in CHILDREN! Seriously... Am I really the only one?

https://youtu.be/jlNHceppY6I
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
https://youtu.be/yp6btJhS66c

Nobody is injecting me with a damn thing!


At this point, you are pretty safe to take this position, because others of us got the shot.
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 01:35 PM

The positivity rate amongst the hospitals in the Texas Medical Center which is the largest Medical Center in the world now was 2.8% this morning. That is not because the disease was a hoax. That is because so many people have been vaccinated and so many people have been careful.

If this disease had been dismissed as a hoax perpetuated by Satan and the enemies of trump at the very beginning , there would be Millions dead.
Posted By: Gary E. Andrews

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 02:26 PM

February 22, 2021: Coronavirus Pandemic of the Early 21st Century.
American Body Count: 500,000.
June 11, 2021: Approaching 600,000 dead.
"It ain't over 'til it's over." Yogi Berra.
Don't drop your guard.
People are going back to work, children back to school, in the Enclosed Places, Crowded Places, Close-Contact Places the World Health Organization warned about. Many are not vaccinated. Most children are not vaccinated.
And then they're moving around in your presence, coming home, coming out to stores and 'gatherings'.
The Delta 'variant', a new mutation, is spreading in India, England, and the United States in June 2021.
The more chances a virus has to invade cells and make them work to enable it to replicate itself, the more chances it has to mutate and be lethal again.
Keep washing YOUR hands. YOUR life is in YOUR hands.
Keep wearing YOUR mask. YOUR mask protects YOU from me, to a degree, and me from you.
Keep watching your Biological Distance. You control that to a large degree. All a virus needs to stay viable, able to 'activate' its replication, is the right 'environmental' conditions, to make the jump from one warm, wet Biological environment, a human body, to another warm, wet Biological environment.
A virus is just a package of DNA. It's not 'alive', not 'biotic', so anti-biotics don't work on it.
This extraordinary 'change', a 'Threatening Change', in your Natural environment, causing Threatening Change in your Economic environment, demands extraordinary 'outside-the-box' thinking; not 'business-as-usual'. Money motivates people to desire and demand business-as-usual. This is un-usual. Or can be if enough people survive it. It can be 'usual' if it continues to find new hosts, infections, deaths. And even survival doesn't promise full recovery. Over the 'long haul' residual damage to various organs, brain, lungs, heart, liver, et al, and your overall health is a Threat.
You are born to make decisions for yourself, and you do. If you decide well, your body stays healthy, alive, and your soul has a nice place to live. Your soul may be enhanced by the quality of your decisions. If you decide poorly, your body can become less of a nice place to live, and your soul can be diminished in quality. You know that lesson by now.
Good luck, Humans. I hope you make it.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 02:31 PM

Yeah, what if everybody hadnt been wearing masks since it started.

And The flu was a non factor this time around, mostly cause of social distancing and mask wearing.

I dont see life going back to usual any more. If people thought they could avoid the flu by wearing a mask, they are going to wear one. Although The flu is airborne without a person being there...

I see no reason why people shouldnt still wear them on buses and trains and in highly populated areas. Public restrooms, it's like why didnt we think of this before.

But dont forget Trump himself dismissed it many times, but he does deserve credit for us having the vaccine. Technically, the vaccine is not even approved for corona virus yet, its being used for emergency use, and good thing, wed have another few years of the same ole without it.

Im not sure it's gone, last summer it went away too and came back, the fall will be the test to see how well the vaccines did. but the best part is that the hospitals are not overblown any more

I remember when at it's height here in new jersey/new york, reading local reports and seeing pictures of trucks coming in to remove dead bodies, and coming here and reading people denying the virus was a problem.

These same people believe Moses had 10 commandments written on a rock...


Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 03:49 PM

This thread is no more about "religion" than my other thread that you insist upon damning as theo-political heresy... It's about math, common sense, and origins. No one is denying anything, especially not in the name of God. If you have no concern for the freedom,livelihood, and prosperity of the next generation then that's on YOU!

Medical science my ass!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 04:28 PM

You are denying it, you're saying the numbers are wrong, and that you dont need a vaccine. Despite a plethora of evidence saying you do, but you have zero evidence supporting Noahs arks story, and you proclaim it to be Gods truth.

Thats what the reference is about.

And it is political, the whole pandemic was politicalized, on both sides, and shouldnt have been. It got comical when the entrie world was suffering, and our ego centric country thought it was all about us and our political divide. Even Ted Nugent repented... https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/ted-nugent-dismissed-covid-19-sickened-virus-77189566

And who are denying that we need vaccines? Republicans. what are you Replublican... It dont take a brain surgeon to figure out that correlation. And if you believe Tucker Carlson has NOT been vaccinized, you're nuts. The amount of lawsuits that would hit fox news if he became a spreader in the offices, would be outrageous. He was probably first in line.

There is no common sense reason not to get the vaccine unless you are known to be allergic.


Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
This thread is no more about "religion" than my other thread that you insist upon damning as theo-political heresy... It's about math, common sense, and origins. No one is denying anything, especially not in the name of God. If you have no concern for the freedom,livelihood, and prosperity of the next generation then that's on YOU!

Medical science my ass!



Tony, please read the following closely... You can say all the bad boy stuff that you say, only for the reason that people like me went and got the vaccine that Trump's Administration pulled together and diminished the virus. So you can sit there talking about how it's not a threat and it's all a communist plot, but the fact of the matter is that it is not a threat because the vaccine made it not a threat.

You owe people like me a debt of gratitude for that. For two reasons. The first is that we the vaccinated made your life safer. The second is that simultaneously you get to Rattle all your crazy ass s*** and how and have fun doing it.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 08:27 PM

Not exactly Marty, he can still get it from and give it to younger people who cant be vaccinated. To and from people unable to have a vaccine for different reasons, and even if you are vaccinated you can catch it and give it to somebody else. And its still irresponsible and un-christian like to not get it, and put innocent people at risk.

A number of yankees have tested positive after getting the shot.

It's still going to surface in the fall, no doubt about it.
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Not exactly Marty, he can still get it from and give it to younger people who cant be vaccinated. To and from people unable to have a vaccine for different reasons, and even if you are vaccinated you can catch it and give it to somebody else. And its still irresponsible and un-christian like to not get it, and put innocent people at risk.

A number of yankees have tested positive after getting the shot.

It's still going to surface in the fall, no doubt about it.


I did not say anything was Bulletproof. But as I stated in another post the Texas Medical Center hospitals have a positivity rate of 2.8% average back 7 days for the last couple of weeks. Those results made Tony's life safer.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/11/21 10:03 PM

ok as long as you didnt say it was bulletproof.
Posted By: R&M

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/13/21 08:46 AM

Masks are not required outside of buses currently where I live.
Early on masks were discounted.
But the social distancing and increased hygiene has always appealed to me.
It is not considered mental illness as much now.
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/13/21 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by R&M
Masks are not required outside of buses currently where I live.
Early on masks were discounted.
But the social distancing and increased hygiene has always appealed to me.
It is not considered mental illness as much now.


People around here are starting to shake hands again. After all of this, I was hoping that shaking hands would fade away.
All that shaking hands is useful for is greeting people anyways. As a bond or a promise it is meaningless anymore.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/13/21 01:01 PM

Around here the eateries are coming back with a vengeance. The amount of people eating outdoors is amazing, breakfast, lunch and dinner into the nights. One street here is basicly one restaraunt after another. A favorite of mine is now so crowded. A few months ago no line, in and out, now you wait, and im already complaining why dont they hire more people...

Then im walking through the frey on Thursday, big party night, and i had a t shirt from m nephews college on. Girl stops me and says hey I went there too, im like she cant think i go there can she? I said my nephew goes there, hes home now, she says what year is he in, I said just finishised sophmore year. Oh, I wouldnt know him then. But I was like, I still got it... yeah, poor 24 year old couldnt help herself lmaooo.....
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/13/21 03:47 PM

that is a little concerning...Happening here too.

I have a favorite sandwich that I like to get once a week at a chain called Beck's. They have a location on a City golf course at Memorial Park.
Over the past year, my visits there have been ghost town-ish. This past week it was jammed with people and I saw one mask in the entire restaurant. You order at a line and no social distancing was going on.

It does my head good to see that. Feeling like things are normal again is great. But I feel a little apprehension about what it might do the possitivity rate. Hopefully nothing.

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/covid-19-testing-metrics-for-tmc-hospital-systems/
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/13/21 04:34 PM

Outside id say there is zero concern by anyone, which, if you saw these places, maybe ill film them when i go by again, but everybody is jammed in sitting next to each other, just cause its outside doesnt mean its better. Normally outside means distance, but if you go to a ballgame nobody is social distanced even outside.

The other thing is the signs now "If you are fuly vaccinate, you may enter without a mask" But what about as Murphy would call them the "knuckleheads" who never got a shot and dont want to wear masks" They are still a danger to others.

Well see, i think we may be surprised in the fall, they say were protected against variants too, hopefully so.

Seems new bugs come out of nowhere these days like ebola, and sars, and other things, these measures may not be a general bad idea within reason.

They are planning a massive central park concert in August, Clive Davis is in charge, so were going to see huge names on the ticket, probably simon and maybe Garfunkle, Bruce, Billy Joel amongst many others
Posted By: Sunset Poet

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/13/21 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio


The other thing is the signs now "If you are fuly vaccinate, you may enter without a mask" But what about as Murphy would call them the "knuckleheads" who never got a shot and dont want to wear masks" They are still a danger to others.




I expect that there are lots of em. Their impact remains to be seen. Hopefully minimal.
Posted By: John Voorpostel

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/13/21 04:53 PM

After a bit of a slow start, Canada has vaccinated a large part of the population (had both jabs of Phizer myself) and started reopening parts of the economy. Last night we enjoyed a meal outside on the terrace of one of our favourite restaurants. Reservations are an absolute must... and restaurants are crying out for additional staff.

And Dom is spot on. Even while vaccinated, you can get and transmit the virus. The chance of a vaccinated person getting very sick is minimal, but unvaccinated people will be at the hands of fate. They may recover, recover with lasting effects, or die.

Elsewhere in the world ...especially in polluted cities, mask wearing has always been widespread...and it could very well be that people will continue to wear masks in "risky" situations

Most encouraging is the arts coming back. My favourite, Dar Williams has announced a tour schedule AND a new CD release for October 1...

But all this was expected. Lots of pent up energy and money looking to be spent.

Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/13/21 05:12 PM

One other thing to note is that this shot doesnt prevent you from getting it at all. So if you want a nasty flu or cold, keep mingling with tons of people.

It's not like the shot is going to make us completely immune, the 95% effective rate is in regards to preventing hospitlizations and death, a huge plus, but nobody wants a bad flu that knocks them out for 10 days either.

And people who are on immune suppressive drugs, organ transplants, cancer, arthirtis may not respond to the vaccine, they werent part of the testing to see if it protects them too.



Posted By: R&M

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/16/21 06:26 AM

The occasion I get fast food I could order take out from McDonalds, but not Burger King.
Those covid rules are still in place with fast food places.
Forgot that.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/24/21 05:16 AM

Is everyone "WOKE" yet?

TC 6/23/21

https://youtu.be/Xp7EvGeoUOg

Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 06/25/21 11:44 PM

Just damn... That's three in a row!

Are you getting the feeling that the liberal powers that be at YouTube are trying to hide something from you?

Even the CDC is in on the act now...

Children and young adults, who don't need to be immunized anyway, are reacting to the immunization more adversely and in much greater numbers than the virus itself! WAKE UP!
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/13/21 02:17 AM

Think about it... At the very beginning of this outbreak, if children were at risk of contagion and spreading Covid, then schools would have been the "hotbeds" of contact... not overcrowded cities and retirement homes.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/13/21 02:21 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/6-fully-vaccinated-people-caught-154610774.html

Not dying is one thing, but needing to "survive" it is another. Im still wondering whats gonna happen when the kids go back to school.

No kids under 12 vaccinated, sounds like a winning formula...can you say law suit?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/13/21 02:45 AM

The math doesn't lie, so why is this so difficult to understand? Since the vast majority of the population has yet to be tested for antibodies, how exactly are they calculating the efficacy of the vaccine? THINK!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/13/21 02:49 AM

I think they were only claiming effectiveness in the 6 people who caught it in Texas. They tested those people and concluded that the US Vaccine takers survived, the india vaccine patient didnt.

They are also testing every day, the results from the trial that allowed the vaccine to be used at all, are still continuously being studied.

The disease is going to be studied and part of our vocabulary for a long time .
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/14/21 02:21 AM

Prophetic....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...due-to-covid-19/ar-AAM7BAW?ocid=msedgntp
Posted By: John Voorpostel

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/14/21 05:54 PM

Actually Tony efficacy rates are studied first before then vaccine goes out, then the population is monitored.

The reason things get pulled down is that there is so much false information out there.

You may not like the info that IS out, but thinking that the whole vaccinated world and wordwide medical system is somehow out to get everyone, or that Bill Gates is somehow behind this all to control the world is not productive

And tests ARE being done...and covid is now more predominant in unvaccinated people

You can dispute anything with some of the BSh^%t that gets posted by anti vaccers and conspiracy theorists.

In our mammoth post of months back, I raised Qanon with you. At the time you knew nothing about them. I trust you do now
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/14/21 07:55 PM

I just don't like talking about Qanon because of their pseudo-christian slant...

""Actually Tony efficacy rates are studied first before then vaccine goes out, then the population is monitored""

Normally you would be right John. However, in this case, neither the virus or the vaccine have been "monitored" long enough to validate any statistics. We are still learning from them. Not only is this the first time in history that a virus and vaccine have evolved simultaneously, but the viral origin seems to have been manufactured. Logically, the science behind the vaccines' evolution should also be in question because neither the virus or vaccine occurred naturally.

I don't just dig up statistics to be argumentative, I want answers for myself! So, here's your challenge; Go back through this thread and just read my posts. Then, try to present me with some stats/numbers that "CAN'T" be disputed. Fair warning; Just because Dr Fauci says it, doesn't make it so...

Oh, and I promise to keep it civil if you will wink
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/14/21 09:09 PM


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/vacci...ts-starting-understand/story?id=78168599
Posted By: John Voorpostel

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/14/21 09:09 PM

I won't go back because I am surrounded by doctors...my wife, daughter in law, their friends...DIL is an emerg physician

I go by their counsel and experience

BTW as I understand it, a lot of pharma is rolled out the same way...one of my beefs actually where I agree with you. Basic testing is done to get testing and safety stats...but there is lots of BS with suppressed results...then it is launched onto the general population where further testing\monitoring goes on

But as my Drs put it...the chance of dying from the vaccine is far less...than from catching covid and dying....and of those who are vaccinated, it hits them far less

They also say that the people currently dying or badly affected are mostly unvaccinated. Real world emergency room experience.

Now you can believe it, or believe your own sources. Nothing I say can change will your mind...and I have no issue really. You are an adult with your own experiences.

Perhaps all is fine where you are...do hope so

My real beef is with the conspiracy idiots who say things like it is all about Bill Gates (insert favourite bad guy) out to control the world
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/14/21 09:34 PM

In a sense I understand what Japov means. We dont really know alot of things. The vaccine was given for emergency use more than anything. And id say its more proven to be safe than helpful.

It may increase antibodies, but does that mean it works? we dont know yet. They go by past pandemics and vaccine use going back hundreds of years, and study it. Scientists are not usually biased, the people around them are.

More variants are bound to surface, will we be protected from all of them? we dont know.

But its the best thing we have, and for damn sure, I would rather have it than not.

I still think Kids could be in trouble going back to school, and I think well know more in the fall how safe we are.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/14/21 09:43 PM

News sources... Now there's a great point!

Everyone knows opinions are like excuses, everybody's an a--hole... or something like that lol. In this case however, it's the news sources that are trying to sway the narrative politically, and politics is always about somebody getting paid. When all sources consistently contradict each other AND disagree with the CDC, that's when I know there's a monkey in the hen-house and the fox is on vacation!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/16/21 02:13 AM

Yankees cancelled tonight because 3 pitchers tested positive? By now anybody who ever went outside probably has it in their blood, and the vaccine is supposed to prevent complications. I dont understand cancelling the game.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ml...with-new-york/ar-AAMcHrB?ocid=uxbndlbing
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/16/21 08:44 AM

HA! LMBFAO! I guess everyone has their limit... smile
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/19/21 04:17 PM

https://rumble.com/vj9yy9-deaths-fr...-warning-after-spike-in-cases-of-fa.html
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/20/21 05:19 AM

Wow... Now Biden wants to FORCE HEALTHCARE WORKERS to get vaccinated? Lol.... This is really getting stupid now!

Can't ya'll see it? The only reason the Biden administration is pushing to immunize "THE ENTIRE PLANET" is because they made a promise to BIG PHARMA to do so, KNOWING that the initial vaccine wouldn't be enough and there would have to be endless boosters or potential variant strains.
MONEY, MEDICAL AUTHORITY, AND CONTROL!

The common sense approach would have been to focus on TESTING EVERYONE and only medicating THOSE WHO NEED IT! Gee, I wonder who would have done that.........?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/20/21 10:29 AM

New Stats;
95% of all new cases of Covid in UK and Israel have already been vaccinated...
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/20/21 06:29 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...ovid-19-vaccine/ar-AAMlHrU?ocid=msedgntp
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/20/21 09:57 PM

I'm only interested in the numbers Dom.....

If 50% of the country has been fully vaccinated, another 20% have had their 1st shot, and an estimated 20% (low estimate) have already survived the virus and just don't know it... then what the hell is everyone so afraid of?

Originally Posted by JAPOV
New Stats;
95% of all new cases of Covid in UK and Israel have already been vaccinated...


But the mortality rate is still dropping? THIS IS ALL BULL$H!T
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/20/21 10:30 PM

I dont know where you get the figures from, I agree that at this point anybody who wants a vaccine should have it, i cant see how if its free, it would deter anybody. But, that said, it doesnt stop it completely, you can still get it even if fully vaccinated, you just probably wont die or be hospitalized.

The danger is really in the people whose immune systems are not strong enough to get a benefit, like people on transplant drugsm cancer patients, artritis medicine,, and kids. Kids are more lilkey to give it to those people.

I guess thats why MLB cancelled some games, they dont want to be liable for other people getting it and claiming they did nothing to protect the fans.

The mortality rate would probably drop whether there was a vaccine or not. everybody is testing, hospitals know how to treat it better, faster treatment leads to better outcomes.

The variants are concerning. Every year the flu shot has to be changed, so far we have one shot for this, and thats one size fits all.

Well know more in the fall
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/20/21 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I dont know where you get the figures from...


If you can't count and validate votes, you might be a Domass...
If you can't read and understand plain English, you might be a Domass...
If you don't understand that a penny is 1% of a dollar, you might be a Domass...
If you would argue with a stop sign, you might be a Domass...
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/20/21 11:25 PM

Ok so you dont know where you got the numbers from either
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/21/21 09:45 AM

Good grief you're exhausting Dom.......
In all seriousness, can you not see that I've been posting nothing but stats and figures here from any sources I can find? Do you not see that, as soon as the current stats came out of the UK and Israel, Biden was on TV yesterday saying "that's not what's happening in the US"... For real now Dom, am I really not being clear enough for you to see this current administration's trend? What the hell is it with liberals and math?!? Am I failing you once again?
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/21/21 12:36 PM

Im exhausting cause I asked for the source of your numbers?

Post them
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/21/21 12:49 PM

http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthr...sts-will-be-merged-here.html#Post1176442
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/21/21 12:53 PM

Ahhh direct from The Book of Japov...
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/21/21 01:09 PM

That's "JAPOV", DomDom...
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/21/21 01:26 PM

Well I googled it to see if it had any meaning, and i got a full page worth of YOUR music. Japov musical artist... and spotify links,

have you used services to put your music up there?

But i read a good book called "the Indie band survival book" and one of the things they stressed was having a unique name, for that very reason. If you name yourself after a city or state, you will be buried under thousands of pages

But JAPOV yielded one result you. Which is a good thing.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/21/21 02:11 PM

You dont answer this question in a different post.
http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1175685/6/dirty-business-of-songwriting.html

You are trying to start something, seriously this time Fak off.

Done with you
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/23/21 03:54 PM

Are there any words?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-hospitalized-covid-19-told-160432588.html
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/23/21 04:30 PM

Dom... Are you going to wear a mask, and let the government inject you with God only knows what, while covid continues to mutate for the rest of your life?
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/23/21 04:35 PM

First of all the government is not injecting you with anything.... the pharma is. I think therein lies your problem, if Trump was president youd be getting the shot.

Yes, I am going to let them inject me, and I did, twice, and so have at least 200 people that I know and love.

We're all here to talk about it. The guy in this article is a moron, plain and simple, but I dont wish him harm.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/23/21 05:19 PM

You're wrong Dom. Trump would not be mandating this vaccine any more than he would "critical race theory", "universal basic income", "de-fund the police", or "cancel culture", "open borders" and "gain of function research"! But the Democrats would still be calling him a racist for all those reasons.

Aaaand I digress...

Look Dom, the truth has a way of making itself know in time. So, why don't we just wait and focus on the numbers please?
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/23/21 05:23 PM

lol. no. Its embarrasing enough to be involved in this conversation.

Im gonna take a break from the forum for a while. I have 25-30 songs waiting to be overdubbed on, and I have to sing them yet.

The goal is to be done by football season, cause ill be very busy then....

And, tell your pal Marty he can come back, i saw him lurking before.

I know you miss him dearly, looking for that ally in this war.... if u wanna call it a war, I call it comedic indifference.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/23/21 05:28 PM

Excellent! Sing your little heart out! Have fun and please take your time smile
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/23/21 05:30 PM

Wait couldnt pass on this: Something tells me Japovs gonna get kicked out of Alabama

https://www.newser.com/story/308930...;utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/23/21 06:06 PM

We apparently agree on one thing Dom. Anyone who would deny a vaccine for purely political reasons IS a moron.

530 deaths in Alabama since April 1st and 20 were fully vaccinated.

I want to know how these numbers were actually confirmed. I want to know how many of those 530 had the FIRST strain of Covid! I want to know the demographics and how they got it! And why did those 20 fully vaccinated die?!?

Figures lie, liars figure, and many have been lying for more than a year now. Until they push testing for antibodies INSTEAD of arbitrary vaccination whether you've had the virus or not, the numbers are never going to make definitive sense! I sincerely believe that I've already had the virus, but I'm one of the lucky 99% who simply doesn't react badly to it. Do I want to know for certain? Absolutely! Will knowing sway my opinion about the Covid vaccine? Once all the stats are in and results can be proven, most likely! ESPECIALLY if it turns out that I DON'T have antibodies...

Eventually, with enough study, they're going to figure out why only a certain small percentage of the population reacts badly to this virus. At least I hope so... Common sense dictates that those who need the vaccine should be getting it, but medical science still can't CURE the common cold!
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/24/21 09:28 AM

This is worth repeating....

Originally Posted by JAPOV
You're wrong Dom. Trump would not be mandating this vaccine any more than he would "critical race theory", "universal basic income", "de-fund the police", or "cancel culture", "open borders" and "gain of function research"! But the Democrats would still be calling him a racist for all those reasons.

Aaaand I digress...

Look Dom, the truth has a way of making itself know in time. So, why don't we just wait and focus on the numbers please?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/27/21 09:37 PM

From the CDC website... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html#:~:text=Antibody%20tests%20for%20COVID%2D,you%20should%20get%20one.

"""COVID-19 vaccines teach your body to produce antibodies to fight infection from the virus that causes COVID-19. If you get an antibody test after receiving a vaccine, you might test positive by some (but not all) antibody tests. This depends on which type of antibody the specific test detects.
Antibody testing is not currently recommended to determine if you are immune to COVID-19 following COVID-19 vaccination. Antibody testing should also not be used to decide if someone needs to be vaccinated. CDC’s Interim Guidelines for COVID-19 Antibody Testing provide more information on how antibody testing should be used and interpreted.

Whether you test positive or negative for COVID-19 antibodies using an antibody test, you still should take steps, including getting vaccinated, to protect yourself and others."""

?!?!? frown
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/27/21 10:25 PM

Yeah and? Forgetting about the vaccine for a minute. You can be perfectly healthy and have covid 19 antibodies, but give it to somebody else who can die from it. That is all that is really saying. Get the vaccine if not for yourself but for other people.

https://www.wsfa.com/2021/07/27/ala...-conference-months-amid-new-surge-cases/


Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/28/21 12:06 AM

Wow Dom... How can this possibly be so far over your head?

They're immunizing the entire planet with an experimental vaccine for the sake of 1% of the population who reacts badly to this engineered and weaponized virus!

Why?

BECAUSE THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DAMN CLUE WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO NEXT!

The reason none of this makes any sense is because they're only pretending like they're in control. If there were any real answers, there would be no doubt, and a solution would already be mandated. We're not dealing with small pox or the measles here, the origins of Covid-19 are completely UNNATURAL!!!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/28/21 12:14 AM

And the more people think like you, the more people end up dying. Even the republican states are pushing it now.

Now matter what the treatment is, there will be some who react badly to it. Ever see pharma commericals? May cause death.... oh gee thats nice to know.... Ill either have a migraine or ill die....

But, medicine extends life, not for all, but for the majority, that's how it works. Now, if you dont want to be a guinea pig, thats fine, but at least protect others by wearing a mask. That's not being fair.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/28/21 12:32 AM

Don't you see that's part of the problem? Last year they were saying "be careful not to sneeze or cough on someone". Now, it seems you just have to be in the same room with someone regardless of whether they're sick or not! THEY'RE NOT EVEN ADMITTING THAT THE VIRUS SEEMS TO BE AIRBORNE LIKE CHICKENPOX! If the virus is AIRBORNE your mask WILL NOT STOP IT!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/28/21 12:40 AM

It's airborne in close proximity. If somebody talks and a droplet gets in your nose or mouth, you can catch it. The mask can stop that little bit of spit from entering your nose or mouth. It's not airborne like the flu just randomly being there, that's why they say masks outside are not needed.

There is no need to be so dismissive of it. Even if you dont believe it, make others feel better by doing what science says to do.

How does it help you to deny everything? We've seen what happens to deniers of covid.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/28/21 12:57 AM

The words "medical science" do not comfort me at all Dom. Especially with regard to weaponized virology...

Facts Dom, there are none...
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/28/21 01:32 AM

lol, well if you're gonna go there, theres no way to talk to you. We know what the virus is, and we have a vaccine for it, regardless of its origins.

But you're not gonna change your mind. all id say is take into consideration other people who dont think like you.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 07/29/21 03:38 PM

That's what troubles me Dom... All the other people who aren't thinking!

Take a look at this again...
Originally Posted by JAPOV
From the CDC website... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html#:~:text=Antibody%20tests%20for%20COVID%2D,you%20should%20get%20one.

"""COVID-19 vaccines teach your body to produce antibodies to fight infection from the virus that causes COVID-19. If you get an antibody test after receiving a vaccine, you might test positive by some (but not all) antibody tests. This depends on which type of antibody the specific test detects.
Antibody testing is not currently recommended to determine if you are immune to COVID-19 following COVID-19 vaccination. Antibody testing should also not be used to decide if someone needs to be vaccinated. CDC’s Interim Guidelines for COVID-19 Antibody Testing provide more information on how antibody testing should be used and interpreted.

Whether you test positive or negative for COVID-19 antibodies using an antibody test, you still should take steps, including getting vaccinated, to protect yourself and others."""

?!?!? frown

What this is saying Dom, is that the vaccine is supposed to create antibodies so your immune system can fight the virus. However, there's no way to test for antibodies in order to accurately confirm that the vaccine is working.

What? WHY THE HELL IS THAT?!?

Fauci was just on the news last night saying, "We are not flip-flopping and changing our minds, it's the virus that's changing...", while the head of the CDC re-instituted mask mandates! All the while it seems, this Delta variant is spreading quickly from Arizona to Florida because of open borders, but the morbidity rate continues to rapidly drop!

Don't call me an idiot just because I didn't fall for the hype; I've got sense enough to wait for confirmable results!

You don't screw with Mother Nature Dom...
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/08/21 04:45 PM

I've been reluctant to comment here for a while because all the current information is just so "political"...

But I just realized, the more they try to politicize everyone's rights with regard to this virus, the more I'm convinced it's all a bull$hit lie! The more they try to dodge and cover up Fauci's involvement in China's gain of function research, and the more China refuses to cooperate and blame the US..., the more I'm convinced that the release of this virus was premeditated!

Seriously, considering what's going on at the Southern Border, does anyone really believe that an "elected" president of the United States can actually be so STUPID!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/11/21 02:37 AM

The anti vaxxers is a cult, im getting tired of NFL players fighting the vaccine, i dont need them ruining my football season, and my fantasy teams. Now I have to make footnotes, who got vaxxed and who didnt.

But this is where listening to these people gets you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/a...d-with-covid-19/ar-AANaEZx?ocid=msedgntp
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/11/21 03:26 AM

Marc Bernier is 80yrs old DomA$$! If he chose politics over common sense... well, THAT WAS HIS CHOICE!

Since July, the morbidity rate of Covid is now less than the flu!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/11/21 09:00 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...-coming-in-fall/ar-AANcqtA?ocid=msedgntp
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/11/21 11:56 PM


Lol...
Dom, if that happens, then the vaccination truly is worthless and we're ALL going to DIE!
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/26/21 05:21 AM

Israel was one of the first countries to fully embrace the covid vaccine, and currently 80% of its population above the age of 12 is fully vaccinated. However...

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=new+covid+cases+in+israel

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...matic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/27/21 11:39 PM

why does it seem like this is just as bad as it was when it started?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/h...ying-conditions/ar-AANOJDI?ocid=msedgntp
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/28/21 02:04 AM

Now you're asking the right question!

It's happening all around the world despite vaccination percentage of the population.
THEY NEED TO NAIL DOWN THE SOURCE SO THEY CAN MAKE A REAL VACCINE!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/28/21 03:27 PM

Claptons anti vaccine and mask mandate song.....lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNt4NIQ7FTA

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/entertainment/eric-clapton-sings-enough-enough-211131785.html

Well Eric, we've all had enough, that doesnt mean it goes away. Ive had enough of paying taxes and insurance.

Nobody wants to be wearing masks or taking shots, but whats the alternative? Children dying cause they catch it from unvaxxed people?

We dont know the exact truth, so better to be safe than sorry. Cmon Eric, your life will never be bad.
Posted By: Everett Adams

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/29/21 09:52 AM

It is the vaccinated people that are spreading the virus, they feel they are protected and are going every where spreading it because they are carriers without knowing it..
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/29/21 01:32 PM

Lol... That's a perfect illustration of just how convoluted the "science" is Everett. The virus is obviously evolving but the vaccine isn't! They don't know how to get ahead of the virus because THEY DON'T KNOW IT'S ORIGIN...
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/29/21 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Everett Adams
It is the vaccinated people that are spreading the virus, they feel they are protected and are going every where spreading it because they are carriers without knowing it..


Everett

This is very concerning to me. Has there been a bulletin or some kind of notification from Health Canada or the CDC or WHO that this is in fact the case? If what you are saying is true then as a person who has been fully vaccinated I would be concerned if what I am doing is causing a problem and what recommendation do theses health organizations have that I might follow to help mitigate the situation. Could you please post any links you may have that support what you are saying. Most appreciated.

Steve
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/29/21 02:23 PM

No, what Everette said was the vaccinated people dont care any more. Some say, hey if you dont get vaccinated, thats your problem.

You dont need to know origin of a virus to make a vaccine. Nobody knows where the hell Polio or Ruibella or chicken pox came from.

Probably were here for millions of years until they found a way to multiple and cause problems.

Corona virus is nothing new.
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/29/21 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
No, what Everette said was the vaccinated people dont care any more. Some say, hey if you dont get vaccinated, thats your problem.

You dont need to know origin of a virus to make a vaccine. Nobody knows where the hell Polio or Ruibella or chicken pox came from.

Probably were here for millions of years until they found a way to multiple and cause problems.

Corona virus is nothing new.


Fd

I agree with some of what you said. The people who develop the vaccine know what they are doing and if they have developed one to fight Covid 19 then I am OK with that. How they got there is for others to debate.

Everett didn't say vaccinated people don't care .... his statement was "It is the vaccinated people that are spreading the virus". There is a lot of information out there, now, that says the vaccine will not prevent you from getting covid but it should prevent you from being hospitalized or dying. That is info put out by health authorities. The fact that the vast majority of Canadians and Americans have been vaccinated shows they do care, Knowing that they are not fully protected from the virus, I hope, means they will continue to care.

Steve
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/29/21 02:59 PM

They are spreading it cause...they dont care... meaning they no longer social distance, nor wear masks, and convene in large crowds.

You can spread it to others vaccinated or not, it doesnt stop you from getting it, it supposedly stops you from getting hospitalized or dying from it.

Thats what he meant, if not, call me a fool. Ive been called that before...
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/29/21 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
They are spreading it cause...they dont care... meaning they no longer social distance, nor wear masks, and convene in large crowds.

You can spread it to others vaccinated or not, it doesnt stop you from getting it, it supposedly stops you from getting hospitalized or dying from it.

Thats what he meant, if not, call me a fool. Ive been called that before...


I think I would prefer to hear from Everett as to what he meant...everything else is just an opinion,,you are not a fool...I reserve that term for the foolish..I think you are passionate in your beliefs and that is a good thing
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/29/21 03:18 PM

Thanks, well Everette is as mysterious as the wind, nobody knows when hell make an appearance, if he does it might well be 5:30 in the morning....

This might help us while waiting...

https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/vaccinated-people-are-spreading-the-covid-19-delta-variant
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/29/21 03:22 PM

A clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKEmBZpbdsc
Posted By: John Voorpostel

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/30/21 12:08 AM

I expect vaccinated people could carry a viral load. That is certainly possible.... which means continued use of face masks among denser groups of people... and continued covid vigilance by health authorities

The unvaccinated will still suffer the brunt of the viral loads as the virus continues to burn through the population.

This thread will continue for a while longer.

One might take odds on the date when it fizzles out or when Dom might posit just another point of view

RIP Lou Grant.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/30/21 01:43 AM

I dont know why it would surprise anyone that vaccinated people are still carriers. Thats been known for a long time Its not like washing a surface with bleach and it kills the virus. In the body, it just prevents the virus from doing alot of damage.

But it seems every day im reading about "breakthrough cases" Are they breakthroughs, or is the vaccine not as good as we thought.

The claim for the vaccine is keeping people out of hospital and not dying, it was never NOT getting it. No vaccine does that. Some vaccines give you a little bit of the disease itself to let the body learn. But this doesnt surprise me at all....

What concerns me is they are now saying that its waning in effectiveness. now at 66% effective, thats a far cry from the 95% initially.

Now we may need a third booster.
Posted By: Everett Adams

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/30/21 10:55 AM

FD I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. No where did I say that vaccinated people were infecting people on purpose. Many do it not knowing they are infected and spreading the virus to others. They are under the impression that once vaccinated they can get back to a normal life, no danger of getting or spreading the virus, which is proving to be false. The powers that be wanted 70% vaccinated and then we could have herd immunity, then they wanted 80%, now it seems they want 100%. I've said it from the start, it is not about the virus, it is about the vaccine, get every person vaccinated, for what ever reason we don't know yet. I could speculate but it would only be guessing and spreading fear, and God knows there is enough fear being spread to get people vaccinated. Now the passport is being used as blackmail to force others to get vaccinated, pitting people against people, splitting the population, weakening the country, taking freedoms away, sounds like what you would expect from forces that want to bring in world government.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/30/21 11:40 AM

I didnt say you said they were infecting people on purpose, nowhere did i say that Everette,

But not doing it on purpose, and being careless are two different things. If there is a false sense of security, that because we have a vaccine we can let our guard down. THAT is how, vaccinated people are giving it to unvaxxed, or even to vaccinated people.

That would be against several laws to purposely give somebody corona.
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/30/21 03:36 PM

Everett said:

I've said it from the start, it is not about the virus, it is about the vaccine, get every person vaccinated, for what ever reason we don't know yet.

Everett, when you say "for whatever reason we don't know yet" who is the "we" ... I may be wrong but I would think most people know why they need to get a vaccination.

When it comes to "taking freedoms away", there are no unconditional freedoms except perhaps my right to die if, as and when I choose do do so. However I won't get the chance to enjoy that right. If a government decides everyone must be vaccinated they are not taking away a freedom you never had except perhaps for medical reasons.

Because I understand the limitations on my personal freedoms placed on me by society, for the betterment of society, as a whole, I am totally comfortable with the introduction of a vaccine mandate by governments. That does not mean I will not pay close attention to what governments do or say. I will not give them "carte blanche" to use it as an excuse to infringe upon other freedoms.

When you say " pitting people against people, splitting the population" are you saying governments are doing this? In Nova Scotia, the government has been consistent in saying when we reach 75% of the population with 2 shots, most restrictions will be removed based on proper advise from health officials. Now that we are at 70% they expect to remove present restrictions with a few exceptions by September 15th. Where are there governments now wanting 100%? Is NL now saying 100%.

The spit, if any,in the country, (Canada) has been created by the people themselves....66% are fully vaccinated and 27% have no shots. The majority of Canadians perhaps understand the serious nature of covid-19...IMO this is not government splitting the population. And in the end. IMO, the country of Canada is doing just fine. I don't believe there is any pitting people against people and the country is very strong, but then that is just my opinion which coincides with most of what I have read on this thread. It;s just people's opinions.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/30/21 09:15 PM

I think you're intentionally missing the point here Steve...
The FDA is now saying the shot is harmless, but they can't possibly know that for certain because it simply hasn't existed long enough to be studied. However, they're not commenting anymore about the efficacy of the vaccine, which has always been in question because the source of the virus is still undetermined. There's two possibilities here; Either they really don't know how the virus was engineered and they're desperately failing to get ahead of it, or they DO have some idea how it was engineered and that's why they've gone after the children since day one! They can't even say for certain if the vaccine is what's causing the virus to evolve... but you seem to have no problem with the government telling you to roll up your sleeve like a good citizen, for the sake of less than 1% of the population who reacts badly to the virus to begin with. What about next year Steve? If the virus evolves again and the FDA says "lets try a new vaccine", are you just going to keep rolling up your sleeve?

They'll never truly get ahead of this thing until they know exactly where it came from. China needs to admit what it has done and quit blaming the US!
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/30/21 10:06 PM

but you seem to have no problem with the government telling you to roll up your sleeve like a good citizen..YUP I've got no problem because good citizens are an important part of society

If the virus evolves again and the FDA says "lets try a new vaccine", are you just going to keep rolling up your sleeve? YUP as soon as it's ready to go.

Like I said before this thread is filled with opinions...and IMO your recent post is your opinion

I'm not IMO missing "my" point . because it is, of course, "my" point......by the way how does one" intentionally" miss a point and please tell me what is "the" point you think I am intentionally missing and how could you possibly know what my intentions are.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/30/21 11:12 PM

I used to love doing the box score at Yankee or Knick games when I was a kid, before all the electronic stuff, but I must say, im having a hard time keeping score here....
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 12:29 AM

Steve, if you can't see the precedent that government "World Wide" is now setting, and how that precedent opens the door for ever more over-reach... then this conversation is headed the same direction that our little debate about racism went. For whatever reason, you just don't get it!

Must be nice having so much faith in government...
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
Steve, if you can't see the precedent that government "World Wide" is now setting, and how that precedent opens the door for ever more over-reach... then this conversation is headed the same direction that our little debate about racism went. For whatever reason, you just don't get it!

Must be nice having so much faith in government...



I used to play competitive softball when I was younger and I wish I faced you as a pitcher because the 25 mph softball statements you lob in look like basketballs. Please tell me what it is I don't get..I also noticed you have not responded to my earlier questions...somewhat like a politician

As far as the debate on racism, where was the debate...IMO I wasn't debating with you ...I felt we were having some good conversation. I stopped the thread when you started your last post with ....I don't believe there's really any such thing as racism .It's a farce, a tool used by corrupt governments to antagonize, then subjugate the public.... There was no need for me to continue on...you said it all. I had no intention of trying to have a conversation with anyone who has that belief.

And yup it is really quite nice to have faith in government..the alternative is something I don't want to contemplate.. Out of the park.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 09:46 AM

At least give me credit for avoiding the argument Steve... I'm so tired of arguing. Besides, my faith is in truth and time; And time will certainly tell what history has already confirmed! You're only seeking answers that you want to hear Steve... I obviously don't have those for you.
Posted By: Everett Adams

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 11:26 AM

The WE is the public in general. I don't think I am any less a good citizen by not taking an untested, unproven vaccine into my body just because governments say I should. There is a universal law that says no government can force you to do so. Every year there is a new flu on the go, some worst than others, but I never get flu shots and I never get the flu. This Covid is another bad flu but governments decided to really push this one down the publics throat. Funny that this year we hardly heard of anyone getting the flu, because every thing was marked down to Covid. Every year thousands die from the flu but they don't broadcast it on every media to scare people into getting the shot. This is just another bad flu with less than 1% dying from it, mush the same percentage that die every year. One thing for sure these pharmacy companies and their shareholders are making billions of dollars where they may have been losing money other years when only a small percentage of the population took the vaccine. Of course now they are saying we may need to take a shot every year, to protect people or make more profit. This passport is making a quarter of the population a second class citizen because we can't travel or go to some places that others can, sounds like what you'd expect in China. If you are a member of the communist party you have more freedoms than those that are not members. When governments and private business say you will lose you job if you don't take the vaccine, that borders on blackmail, forcing people to do something to their bodies that could be harmful. Ever hear of the mark of the beast, that is coming when you will be force to take it or you won't be able to work, buy or sell. Ever hear of the great reset or world government. That is coming soon. Trudeau has mentioned the great reset and has said that this virus might be a good time to bring it about.
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
At least give me credit for avoiding the argument Steve... I'm so tired of arguing. Besides, my faith is in truth and time; And time will certainly tell what history has already confirmed! You're only seeking answers that you want to hear Steve... I obviously don't have those for you.



Once again... didn't answer the questions...right now I'm only wanting the answers to the questions I asked ...

You're only seeking answers that you want to hear Steve .... where did that little tidbit of information come from ...where are the facts to support your statement..I don't recall you and I talking about what I wanted to hear. You see JAPOV this is the exact point I am making..and trust me.. I didn't miss it. If I don't challenge you on it some people may begin to believe that you know what you are talking about...and I will continue to challenge you particularly in reference to things you imply about me.

'm sorry JAPOV was there a specific argument you were referring to for which you wanted credit for avoiding? When people speak in generalities, generally most people can't be bothered listening to them....example...And time will certainly tell what history has already confirmed....specifically, what has history already confirmed because you statement seems to be pretty vague and I am concerned some people may actually believe that what you are saying is true...since history is about facts, not opinion please expand upon your statement.



Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Everett Adams
The WE is the public in general. ...You personally may not know why we need to get vaccinated but IMO the general public has a really good understanding of the need to be vaccinated against Covid..perhaps some of your comments should be in the first person singular to avoid any confusion.

I don't think I am any less a good citizen by not taking an untested, unproven vaccine into my body just because governments say I should. ...Did someone indicate you were less than a good citizen..because I would challenge them

There is a universal law that says no government can force you to do so.... When you make a statement like that, perhaps you should quote the universal law as fact to support your claim. I may be wrong but I don't think Canada has that law on the books...if it is not there then your statement is your opinion and that needs to be made clear to those reading this post...otherwise people will believe your statement as fact.

Every year there is a new flu on the go, some worst than others, but I never get flu shots and I never get the flu. This Covid is another bad flu but governments decided to really push this one down the public's throat.....you can confirm the research that states Covid is just another bad flu??

Funny that this year we hardly heard of anyone getting the flu, because every thing was marked down to Covid. Every year thousands die from the flu but they don't broadcast it on every media to scare people into getting the shot. This is just another bad flu with less than 1% dying from it, mush the same percentage that die every year....imagine that, in a year when social distancing was being practised, and masks were being worn by a large part of the population that flu cases would be so low..who would have thought that?

One thing for sure these pharmacy companies and their shareholders are making billions of dollars where they may have been losing money other years when only a small percentage of the population took the vaccine. Of course now they are saying we may need to take a shot every year, to protect people or make more profit. ..I totally agree with you on the profit big Pharma is making on the backs of the people ,,,but the need to take a shot every year...you mean like we already do for the flu??

This passport is making a quarter of the population a second class citizen because we can't travel or go to some places that others can, sounds like what you'd expect in China. If you are a member of the communist party you have more freedoms than those that are not members. ..are you saying Canadians should join the communist party because we will enjoy more freedoms than we presently have..are Canadians aware of this, or is this just your opinion??

..When governments and private business say you will lose you job if you don't take the vaccine, that borders on blackmail, forcing people to do something to their bodies that could be harmful. Ever hear of the mark of the beast, that is coming when you will be force to take it or you won't be able to work, buy or sell. ...Governments have the power to pass laws, and do so, for the good of all society...without it, IMO we have anarchy and yes as a Christian I am fully aware of the mark of the beast.

Ever hear of the great reset or world government. That is coming soon. .. Once again is this something of which you have specific knowledge, or are you just opining,? please let us know why you are so sure....and yes I am aware of the Great Reset and the conspiracy theories surrounding it..enough said about that issue

Trudeau has mentioned the great reset and has said that this virus might be a good time to bring it about.
... well we are in the middle of a general election Canada...so what better time to throw the bum out than now and put to rest your concerns in Canada about the great reset..if you are so concerned you need to speak to as many people as possible about the great reset.

You see Everett, I am a kind of fact based person and when I read articles or hear people talk in generalities they begin to include me in the "we". It's at that point that I challenge their claims...nothing personal...just support your claims'
Posted By: Mackie H.

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 02:34 PM

AT MY AGE, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE IMMUNE SYSTEM AND LUCK. AGE HAS A WAY OF SEPARATIN' THE STRONG AND WEAK.

The elders have taken the brunt of this Virus and many have died, because of too many reasons to list, It's true History should be based on facts. A recent review of one of one my reference books, OUR 20TH CENTURY: THE 1918 FLU THAT KILLED SO MANY MILLIONS, only had a short paragraph of that pandemic. That particular time must not have presented the facts or they were lacking.

I am a believer that one has the right to not be part of the herd panacea--but sometimes the ones that go for the vaccine, may be on the winning team in the long run. 100 years from now, there maybe a paragraph about COVID-19.


I spend more of my time working on Songs--I have one in my working folder:CRONA BLUES!

CORONA BLUES
©2020 Mackie Humphries

Who would’ve ever believed
Broadway could look like this
All the honky tonks are closed
And homeless walk the streets

One car parked at the Hard Rock
No music plays for missin' crowds
The streets are empty for blocks
A pin dropped would sound loud

Music City has the Crona Blues
Deserted she’s locked up tight
Music City has the Crona Blues
Man I miss my Saturday Nights
Music City has the Crona Blues

The Grand Ole Opry she’s closed
But the show goes on Circle TV
Performers sing to an empty seats
Whole world’s hostage to Crona V

Music City has the Crona Blues
Deserted she’s locked up tight
Music City has the Crona Blues
Man I miss my Saturday Nights
Music City has the Crona Blues

The live shows are on hold
Nobody knows when it will end
But Country Music won’t give in

The Grand Ole Opry she’s closed
But the show goes on Circle TV
Performers sing to an empty seats
The whole world’s hostage to Crona V

Music City has the Crona Blues
Deserted she’s locked up tight
Music City has the Crona Blues
Man I miss my Saturday Nights
Music City has the Crona Blues




THAT'S HOW IT WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO

Mackie
Posted By: John Voorpostel

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 02:35 PM

in the meantime, rather than believe the medical community, science, the FDA etc, people are buying Invermectin...horse dewormer...to guard against Covid because the internet is telling them to do this.

Message? People have more faith in what they find on the internet themselves than what the doctors, scientists and public health officials are saying

Why? I expect people will write papers on this question, but I expect a mix of simple ignorance, political messaging, stubborness against all forms of authority, peer pressure and more will be found the be at work

Darwin's theory too. "Those best equipped to handle change will survivie" when the environment changes. Those who cannot or will not adapt will die.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 03:29 PM

Lol... Really John? It's the medical community that has to be "bribed" or threatened with unemployment to get the shot.... These bull$hit mandates "BEGAN" with the medical community!

Originally Posted by JAPOV
I think you're intentionally missing the point here Steve...
The FDA is now saying the shot is harmless, but they can't possibly know that for certain because it simply hasn't existed long enough to be studied. However, they're not commenting anymore about the efficacy of the vaccine, which has always been in question because the source of the virus is still undetermined. There's two possibilities here; Either they really don't know how the virus was engineered and they're desperately failing to get ahead of it, or they DO have some idea how it was engineered and that's why they've gone after the children since day one! They can't even say for certain if the vaccine is what's causing the virus to evolve... but you seem to have no problem with the government telling you to roll up your sleeve like a good citizen, for the sake of less than 1% of the population who reacts badly to the virus to begin with. What about next year Steve? If the virus evolves again and the FDA says "lets try a new vaccine", are you just going to keep rolling up your sleeve?

They'll never truly get ahead of this thing until they know exactly where it came from. China needs to admit what it has done and quit blaming the US!


Originally Posted by JAPOV
Steve, if you can't see the precedent that government "World Wide" is now setting, and how that precedent opens the door for ever more over-reach... then this conversation is headed the same direction that our little debate about racism went. For whatever reason, you just don't get it!

Must be nice having so much faith in government...


Originally Posted by JAPOV
At least give me credit for avoiding the argument Steve... I'm so tired of arguing. Besides, my faith is in truth and time; And time will certainly tell what history has already confirmed! You're only seeking answers that you want to hear Steve... I obviously don't have those for you.

I've made my points perfectly clear Mr North, no one here even remembers your questions... But if you are so inclined to argue then please, by all means, reiterate...

Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 04:31 PM

I've made my points perfectly clear Mr North, no one here even remembers your questions... But if you are so inclined to argue then please, by all means, reiterate...

More opinions...oh and thank you for the Mr....not really necessary though

are you sure no one remembers my questions or is that you speculating on what other people remember

there you go again with that word argue..is that your default position because you seem to bring it up a lot? For me to be in an argument I would have to be on the opposite position.... right now I'm just asking questions and having fun

Nice try on the "reiterate" just scroll back up...they haven't moved
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 04:58 PM

I'm satisfied that there's more substance to my opinion than any "playful" contentions you've regurgitated here. I never go looking for arguments Mr North...
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mackie H.
AT MY AGE, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE IMMUNE SYSTEM AND LUCK. AGE HAS A WAY OF SEPARATIN' THE STRONG AND WEAK.

The elders have taken the brunt of this Virus and many have died, because of too many reasons to list, It's true History should be based on facts. A recent review of one of one my reference books, OUR 20TH CENTURY: THE 1918 FLU THAT KILLED SO MANY MILLIONS, only had a short paragraph of that pandemic. That particular time must not have presented the facts or they were lacking.

I am a believer that one has the right to not be part of the herd panacea--but sometimes the ones that go for the vaccine, may be on the winning team in the long run. 100 years from now, there maybe a paragraph about COVID-19.


I spend more of my time working on Songs--I have one in my working folder:CRONA BLUES!

CORONA BLUES
©2020 Mackie Humphries

Who would’ve ever believed
Broadway could look like this
All the honky tonks are closed
And homeless walk the streets

One car parked at the Hard Rock
No music plays for missin' crowds
The streets are empty for blocks
A pin dropped would sound loud

Music City has the Crona Blues
Deserted she’s locked up tight
Music City has the Crona Blues
Man I miss my Saturday Nights
Music City has the Crona Blues

The Grand Ole Opry she’s closed
But the show goes on Circle TV
Performers sing to an empty seats
Whole world’s hostage to Crona V

Music City has the Crona Blues
Deserted she’s locked up tight
Music City has the Crona Blues
Man I miss my Saturday Nights
Music City has the Crona Blues

The live shows are on hold
Nobody knows when it will end
But Country Music won’t give in

The Grand Ole Opry she’s closed
But the show goes on Circle TV
Performers sing to an empty seats
The whole world’s hostage to Crona V

Music City has the Crona Blues
Deserted she’s locked up tight
Music City has the Crona Blues
Man I miss my Saturday Nights
Music City has the Crona Blues




THAT'S HOW IT WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO

Mackie



First of all....cool song Mackie

But more important,,,,I love your wisdom...you seem to have this innate ability to capture the essence of an issue

Thank you

Steve
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
I'm satisfied that there's more substance to my opinion than any "playful" contentions you've regurgitated here. I never go looking for arguments Mr North...


Another example of an opinion....

In the end opinions are just opinions, real substantive comments IMO need to have the backing of facts and as long as you express your opinion as if it is fact...I will be there with my questions

In the alternative perhaps let's just remove all of this garbage from JPF never to return and that includes all other threads that have nothing to do with music.

We have been able to rant on about these issues, not because of freedom of speech but because IMO of the kindness of Brian..It's time we give the man more respect and the best way IMO is to drop all these inane threads..

..It's become a disgrace IMO when someone posts a song here not knowing if it's going to be taken over by posts unrelated to the song.

Develop your own blog/website to express your opinions...if you get people to follow you, fill your boots

This is not intended as a shot at just you JAPOV because others are just as guilty...

Lets take this site to a place of respect and Imo that means stepping up to the plate to help Brian


Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 08/31/21 06:18 PM

Fine...
Screw this libtarded, socialist, green bean, songbird bull$hit site...

DELETE ME BRIAN!
Posted By: Everett Adams

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/01/21 11:21 AM

Vnorth2 Nuremburg Code is the law I was referring to, look it up.
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/01/21 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Vnorth2 Nuremberg Code is the law I was referring to, look it up.



Of course you realize that pertains to doing experiments, on people, without the consent of the person but it does not prevent governments from mandating you take a vaccine that has been tested and proven to be effective and approved by the regulatory bodies. At present not all vaccines have been approved by the regulatory bodies which is why people are volunteering to take the vaccine. Once approved the government can mandate that you take it and the Nuremberg Code becomes irrelevant. So as long as you explain the purpose of the Nuremberg Code, I have no problem. IMO I believe it will still be voluntary even when fully approved.

I believe the real heroes are the volunteers who participated in the blind testing. They took the chances, not you or me, so that we could be better protected against the virus. Results have shown the virus to be effective in preventing hospitalization and death, in most people. Vaccines don't prevent you from contracting the virus and there may be the need to take a booster shot annually which is a good thing.

The present death rate,so far, in the US, from Covid is about 1.6% The annual death rate from the flu is about .1% So it would appear Covid is 16 times more deadly than the flu. That is not just a bad flu it's a really bad, bad, bad flu.
Posted By: John Voorpostel

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/01/21 03:00 PM

I cannot believe the stupidity and obstinacy of people who willingly search out and use a veterinary drug recommended by the internet over seriously researched vaccines.

They rail against science based on what dumb ^*&^ts write on the internet yet call those who embrace vaccines "sheeple" and worse

Even to the point where an OHIO judge ruled someone HAS to receive it because they requested it. This judge ruled against the doctors and hospital who said it was not approved for such treatment

I guess judges in the Ohio, like politicians, know better than the medical community...



Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/01/21 07:43 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...in-39-countries/ar-AANZiMq?ocid=msedgntp

Remember when certain members here all proclaimed, that this will "all go away" once Trump was out of office.?

We dont hear from them on this subject. Wonder why
Posted By: Everett Adams

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Originally Posted by Everett Adams
Vnorth2 Nuremberg Code is the law I was referring to, look it up.



Of course you realize that pertains to doing experiments, on people, without the consent of the person but it does not prevent governments from mandating you take a vaccine that has been tested and proven to be effective and approved by the regulatory bodies. At present not all vaccines have been approved by the regulatory bodies which is why people are volunteering to take the vaccine. Once approved the government can mandate that you take it and the Nuremberg Code becomes irrelevant. So as long as you explain the purpose of the Nuremberg Code, I have no problem. IMO I believe it will still be voluntary even when fully approved.

I believe the real heroes are the volunteers who participated in the blind testing. They took the chances, not you or me, so that we could be better protected against the virus. Results have shown the virus to be effective in preventing hospitalization and death, in most people. Vaccines don't prevent you from contracting the virus and there may be the need to take a booster shot annually which is a good thing.

The present death rate,so far, in the US, from Covid is about 1.6% The annual death rate from the flu is about .1% So it would appear Covid is 16 times more deadly than the flu. That is not just a bad flu it's a really bad, bad, bad flu.






You don't believe this is an experimental drug. First when they started using it it was not approved by the FDA or the CDC because they only had about four months to test it, usually takes years. It was used on an emergency basis and the companies can not be sued because it was used as an emergency drug. The FDA has since approved it but only a few days ago. There has been many adverse reactions to the drug in the short time, nobody knows what the effect will be over the long haul. Remember the drug that was approved for morning sickness in pregnant women, there were thousands of children born with missing limbs from that approved drug. When you take any foreign thing into your body, including alcohol, smoke from cigarettes or drugs, injected drugs, etc you are taking a chance on how your body will react. I'm not against vaccines, I've taken many over my lifetime, including for smallpox, but they were tested and tried over time. The death rate from Covid was less than 1% but it was amplified to make every death to be caused by Covid, if they could find a trace of Covid in their body, that was what they died from, even if it was caused by other problems, like heart attack or stroke.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 12:59 PM

Everette, the ONLY protection anybody has against covid is the vaccine, and if you dont want the vaccine, social distancing and mask wearing. but that's IT. Last year, we had less than that, all we had was quarantining.

It's true that the vaccine for corona hasn't been tested long, but the technology of the rna vaccine by moderna has been around for 10 years, and they are now working on a way to attach it to the flu vaccine, probably by next year.

Its a good delivery system and doesn't give you any of the virus.

But, what else can anybody do. We need a solution, everybody demands a solution, but then they complain when they have to wear a mask or cant go out. Then they complain about the safety of the vaccine.

There is NOTHING else anybody can do. We have a decent solution to a complex problem, what else is there?
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 01:45 PM

You don't believe this is an experimental drug. ....

Any of the Covid vaccines that have been approved are not experimental..so my answer is no I do not believe those ones are experimental drugs..any not approved are experimental..that seems pretty simple


First when they started using it it was not approved by the FDA or the CDC because they only had about four months to test it, usually takes years...

They actually could have taken much longer than four months but because of the pandemic nature of Covid, resources were provided in an unprecedented fashion, both human and financially on a global basis, that enable them to develop the vaccine, have it properly tested and ready for human use in “warp speed” time. (Thanks Donnie T for the quote.) I have always been aware of the gestation period for vaccines so in the beginning I was skeptical....once preliminary approval was given I was on board...I’m a big fan of organizations like FDA, CDC, Health Canada..they know what they are doing and I trust them because they deal in facts ...not opinions or internet chit chat

was used on an emergency basis and the companies can not be sued because it was used as an emergency drug....

I’m not sure what your point is here. The pharma companies develop the vaccines and give it to the proper governing bodies for approval. If the governing bodies say no, the vaccine ain’t going anywhere..why should they be sued

The FDA has since approved it but only a few days ago. There has been many adverse reactions to the drug in the short time, nobody knows what the effect will be over the long haul ...

I’m confused, are you saying this is something new to covid ..that hasn’t occurred with other vaccines and drugs...of course, based on factual evidence, some people do react adversely to any drugs they might take ...including there are some who die...this is not new information...that’s why they have warning labels on bottles


Remember the drug that was approved for morning sickness in pregnant women, there were thousands of children born with missing limbs from that approved drug....

Thalidomide was a tragedy It is estimated that 15,000 children were born worldwide with malformations attributable to thalidomide..if you wait for perfection in a drug, they will never be developed..risks occur everywhere in life...this was a sad result, particularly in Canada

When you take any foreign thing into your body, including alcohol, smoke from cigarettes or drugs, injected drugs, etc you are taking a chance on how your body will react. I'm not against vaccines, I've taken many over my lifetime, including for smallpox, but they were tested and tried over time. ...

so was the covid vaccine..it just took less time

The death rate from Covid was less than 1% but it was amplified to make every death to be caused by Covid, if they could find a trace of Covid in their body, that was what they died from, even if it was caused by other problems, like heart attack or stroke...

.this one is a bit of a stretch
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Everette, the ONLY protection anybody has against covid is the vaccine, and if you dont want the vaccine, social distancing and mask wearing. but that's IT. Last year, we had less than that, all we had was quarantining.

It's true that the vaccine for corona hasn't been tested long, but the technology of the rna vaccine by moderna has been around for 10 years, and they are now working on a way to attach it to the flu vaccine, probably by next year.

Its a good delivery system and doesn't give you any of the virus.

But, what else can anybody do. We need a solution, everybody demands a solution, but then they complain when they have to wear a mask or cant go out. Then they complain about the safety of the vaccine.

There is NOTHING else anybody can do. We have a decent solution to a complex problem, what else is there?


We bomb the F##K out of communist China, raid that damn lab in Wuhan, figure out exactly what it is they did, and develop a NATURAL more EFFECTIVE vaccine. THAT'S what we Do!!!


Originally Posted by VNORTH2
You don't believe this is an experimental drug. ....

Any of the Covid vaccines that have been approved are not experimental..so my answer is no I do not believe those ones are experimental drugs..any not approved are experimental..that seems pretty simple


First when they started using it it was not approved by the FDA or the CDC because they only had about four months to test it, usually takes years...

They actually could have taken much longer than four months but because of the pandemic nature of Covid, resources were provided in an unprecedented fashion, both human and financially on a global basis, that enable them to develop the vaccine, have it properly tested and ready for human use in “warp speed” time. (Thanks Donnie T for the quote.) I have always been aware of the gestation period for vaccines so in the beginning I was skeptical....once preliminary approval was given I was on board...I’m a big fan of organizations like FDA, CDC, Health Canada..they know what they are doing and I trust them because they deal in facts ...not opinions or internet chit chat

was used on an emergency basis and the companies can not be sued because it was used as an emergency drug....

I’m not sure what your point is here. The pharma companies develop the vaccines and give it to the proper governing bodies for approval. If the governing bodies say no, the vaccine ain’t going anywhere..why should they be sued

The FDA has since approved it but only a few days ago. There has been many adverse reactions to the drug in the short time, nobody knows what the effect will be over the long haul ...

I’m confused, are you saying this is something new to covid ..that hasn’t occurred with other vaccines and drugs...of course, based on factual evidence, some people do react adversely to any drugs they might take ...including there are some who die...this is not new information...that’s why they have warning labels on bottles


Remember the drug that was approved for morning sickness in pregnant women, there were thousands of children born with missing limbs from that approved drug....

Thalidomide was a tragedy It is estimated that 15,000 children were born worldwide with malformations attributable to thalidomide..if you wait for perfection in a drug, they will never be developed..risks occur everywhere in life...this was a sad result, particularly in Canada

When you take any foreign thing into your body, including alcohol, smoke from cigarettes or drugs, injected drugs, etc you are taking a chance on how your body will react. I'm not against vaccines, I've taken many over my lifetime, including for smallpox, but they were tested and tried over time. ...

so was the covid vaccine..it just took less time

The death rate from Covid was less than 1% but it was amplified to make every death to be caused by Covid, if they could find a trace of Covid in their body, that was what they died from, even if it was caused by other problems, like heart attack or stroke...

.this one is a bit of a stretch


CNN has warped your mind...
If you like the current vaccine so much, you can have mine. You're welcome!
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 07:27 PM

We bomb the F##K out of communist China, raid that damn lab in Wuhan, figure out exactly what it is they did, and develop a NATURAL more EFFECTIVE vaccine. THAT'S what we Do!!!

Are these the first few lines of your new song JAPOV? Gotta nice lilt to it...but needs a little more work..I know...that old cliche..the smell of napalm in the morning

CNN has warped your mind... CNN...Hmmmm .. I think I remember that but then I haven't watched TV for almost 15 years.... and don't own a TV set....wrong again big guy..but hey...nice try..nice triple down the third base line Steve

Now...MSNBC on my computer...now we're talking...a more sophisticated CNN

If you like the current vaccine so much, you can have mine. You're welcome!

What? ..and give you an excuse not to take it when the Gov comes a knocking...
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by VNORTH2
We bomb the F##K out of communist China, raid that damn lab in Wuhan, figure out exactly what it is they did, and develop a NATURAL more EFFECTIVE vaccine. THAT'S what we Do!!!

Are these the first few lines of your new song JAPOV? Gotta nice lilt to it...but needs a little more work..I know...that old cliche..the smell of napalm in the morning

CNN has warped your mind... CNN...Hmmmm .. I think I remember that but then I haven't watched TV for almost 15 years.... and don't own a TV set....wrong again big guy..but hey...nice try..nice triple down the third base line Steve

Now...MSNBC on my computer...now we're talking...a more sophisticated CNN

If you like the current vaccine so much, you can have mine. You're welcome!

What? ..and give you an excuse not to take it when the Gov comes a knocking...

Lol, What you DIDN'T say here speaks volumes...
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 07:56 PM


Lol, What you DIDN'T say here speaks volumes...

well we'll let that be your little secret


I try to turn the volume down on your posts ...it;s just noise
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 08:09 PM

Japov, i have to admit, you have a very rational approach there.

Bomb an entire country to figure out how a virus evolved. Start a world war, get millions killed, to develop a vaccine, because you THINK they did something. And if they didnt do anything? And even if they did, how will that change anything?

I knew their was something off between your Christian beliefs and your political beliefs. You think they are compatible, that idea of yours proves they are not.

i HOPE, you have better sense than that...
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 08:55 PM

Why don't both of you pull your heads out of each other's a$$es and do some actual research...

When I consider all the Chinese scientists an doctors who were silenced (disappeared) at the beginning of the outbreak, and the few who managed to escape and spoke out here in the US before they were cancelled by Buttface and YouScrew, and consider the childish way Dictator Xi tries to blame the US despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and consider who our current "Communist in Chief" has proven himself to be... I honestly believe this whole damn mess was premeditated. At the very least, the virus did exactly what it was DESIGNED TO DO!!!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 09:00 PM

Trump got the vaccine approved for Emergency use. He's not as smart as you I guess.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 09:11 PM

We had to try to do something for the Elderly and those with co-morbidities Dom... But NOW the whole damn thing is just a money making "power grab" between big pharma and the Biden family!

Neither of you can possibly be this ignorant... What's the real reason the two of you are asking me such stupid questions?
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 09:18 PM

oh now,,, we have a sympathetic ear.... Now that Trump got it approved, we HAD to do something for the Elderly, lol

But i thought it doesnt work? I thought it might kill people? Lets test it on the Elderly first? See if they die?

Dude.....
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
Why don't both of you pull your heads out of each other's a$$es and do some actual research...

I'm sorry JAPOV was that research on how to bomb a country

When I consider all the Chinese scientists an doctors who were silenced (disappeared) at the beginning of the outbreak, and the few who managed to escape and spoke out here in the US, and consider the childish way Dictator Xi tries to blame the US despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary...

aw come on JAPOV..he's just a child...let him have some fun


and consider who our current "Communist in Chief" has proven himself to be...

wait a minute I thought Trudeau was Prime Minister of Canada

I honestly believe this whole damn mess was premeditated.... now this is the first statement from you I believe..I mean there does not appear to be much substance in your posts ...so what the heck...let's see if premeditation sticks


At the very least, the virus did exactly what it was DESIGNED TO DO!!!
..

Red alert! Major statement from JAPOV.."viruses do exactly what they are designed to do" News at 11...a hard single up the middle
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 09:25 PM

You really are an idiot Dom... I was a Corpsman... What makes you think I'm "anti-Vax" ?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 09:27 PM

Correction, you're both idiots...
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 09:35 PM

Gees Fd I knew I was an idiot...but you too?

This is so much fun
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 10:04 PM

What makes me think you are anti VAX?

One, you refuse to be vaccinated, crying they'd have to take you kicking and screaming, and that "Im not gonna let no government inject me with anything" (I don't think Biden does injections)

Two, repeatedly saying that because of this positively infallible theory that the virus came from a Wuhan lab, that the vaccine will not work, because we DONT know where it's origins are from.

Three, that the research cant possibly be right, because it hasnt been studied long enough.

Would it be easier for me to write why I think you are pro vaccine?
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 10:18 PM

Lol... So, you HAVE been paying attention!

I don't like THIS vaccine Dom smile
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 10:23 PM

ha, I looked up idiut in the dictionary, but I couldn't find it, i must not be spelling it right
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 10:28 PM

OK I have to go now. I don’t want to because heaven knows I’ve been having so much fun, but I have my tutor coming over in about 5 minutes and I haven’t done any practising today. You see, I’ve been working on counting from one to four for some time now, but I keep on getting two and three out of order. I’m real close and I think today could be a break through day. Wish me luck. Once I get past four, I hope there aren’t anymore numbers. Anyway, please keep this to yourselves...don’t tell anybody.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 10:52 PM

Oh geeezz...
OK, maybe you're not idiots... But you are grossly misled and liberally biased!!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/02/21 11:16 PM

I dont have a fixed ideology. Never did. I wasnt raised to be one or the other. Just cause I dont agree with your views, doesnt make me a liberal. Im probably a conservative democrat, if I had to say.

Some issues im conservative, others liberal. As far as social issues, I dont care what anybody else does.. If its going to affect me, then i start caring.

But my niece and nephew are both in college now. And if you think I'M liberal, you should talk with them. I mean, if i happen to say the wrong thing I get chewed out. Most college professors are liberals to the max.

So its all perspective, but the mistake you are making is putting this in a political context.

The whole pandemic has been politicized, and worse, falsely accused of being politicized.

Just remember, if a smoker has a right to smoke in front of me, isnt he violating my rights?

Is somebody allowed to drive 120 on the highway cause their car can do it, if they are going to hit somebody else in the process?

Enter vaccines, is it right to go out in public, un vaccinized with no mask or distancing? Probably no more right than blowing smoke in somebodys face in a movie theatre,

Rights are dependent on all buying in.

But, there are some who feel like you do, as I prepare for fantasy football, im aware of the issue more than anything. Some players dont want to get vaccinated. But you share a huddle, you share a locker room and you literally knock the spit out of each other in practice, doesnt it make sense to get the vaccine?

But the big mistake you're making, it making it a political issue. you just called us liberals. Liberal stance has nothing to do with this pandemic or vaccine, never did, but it was constantly downplayed by right wingers, who in turn, all end up with covid.... Joe Rogan the latest

It's not a political issue. if anything it's a science issue.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/03/21 05:04 AM

""I dont have a fixed ideology.""

You should have just stopped there Dom...

""I knew their was something off between your Christian beliefs and your political beliefs.""

With no "fixed ideology" I doubt you really know the difference...
Posted By: Everett Adams

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/03/21 11:33 AM

There is no hope of convincing those that have taken the vaccine that it could be dangerous down the road, they are hoping that it is safe, and I hope they are right, my son took it so I hope he is ok, but there are scientist that have serious doubts about it, with no ax to grind, so who do you listen to. What they are saying is that this vaccine does protect against covid-19 but in doing so it suppresses your natural immune system so when another virus or germ comes along you have little or no protection against it. That might be why those that are vaccinated are so scared of unvaccinated people. We might be carrying a germ or virus that is harmless to unvaccinated people because our strong immune system takes care of it, but your weakened immune system will allow you to get sick, covid-19 is good for that particular virus and maybe some of the variants only, but does not recognize other viruses. Some businesses and employers are banning unvaccinated people from their places to protect their employees and customers, so they say, but if they are so well protected with the vaccine, why are they scared of the unvaccinated, should it not be the other way around, that the unvaccinated should be scared and protected from the vaccinated, because it is proven that the vaccinated can be carriers of the virus and infect the unvaccinated.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/03/21 12:46 PM

Fixed POLITICAL ideology, there you go again mixing politics and religion, Japov. my point was stop making it a political thing. Its blatantly obvious what political party you belong to, based on what you say about vaccines. Many who deny it, end up getting it, especially the biggest naysayers.

Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/03/21 12:52 PM

Everette, wouldnt our immune systems already be depressed from all the vaccines we have taken already? Mumps, measels, rubella, tetnus, polio, chicken pox.....

It could be true that it lowers it, but its also true that at full power our immune systems are not equipt to handle it. Especially the vulnerable.

And places are probably scared of unvaccinated people because so much is still unknown.

For me, im vaccinated, when I go out, and somebody starts hacking or sneezing, it bothers me. We're all gonna be gun shy for a while.
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/03/21 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Everett Adams
There is no hope of convincing those that have taken the vaccine that it could be dangerous down the road, they are hoping that it is safe, and I hope they are right, my son took it so I hope he is ok, but there are scientist that have serious doubts about it, with no ax to grind, so who do you listen to. What they are saying is that this vaccine does protect against covid-19 but in doing so it suppresses your natural immune system so when another virus or germ comes along you have little or no protection against it. That might be why those that are vaccinated are so scared of unvaccinated people. We might be carrying a germ or virus that is harmless to unvaccinated people because our strong immune system takes care of it, but your weakened immune system will allow you to get sick, covid-19 is good for that particular virus and maybe some of the variants only, but does not recognize other viruses. Some businesses and employers are banning unvaccinated people from their places to protect their employees and customers, so they say, but if they are so well protected with the vaccine, why are they scared of the unvaccinated, should it not be the other way around, that the unvaccinated should be scared and protected from the vaccinated, because it is proven that the vaccinated can be carriers of the virus and infect the unvaccinated.





Nice little ramble..but no real facts here..not really worth commenting on
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/03/21 02:25 PM

I've seen that research as well Everett... something about the unnatural effect of a synthesized protein marker hyper-stimulating your immune system to only focus on Covid. Unfortunately, you never truly build a natural immunity to Covid, and the vaccine actually depletes your natural immunity to other viruses. We've already seen evidence that the vaccine loses its efficacy over time, especially against recent Covid variants, but what we haven't seen are outbreaks of measles, mumps, and rubella...

Honestly, what I'm more concerned about is, what effect will tampering with an entire planet's populous immune system have on the next generation born?

We are moving way too fast, we can't possibly know the true consequences of our actions, and you don't screw with mother nature.

And that's not to mention that "pestilence and disease" is Biblical prophecy...
Posted By: Everett Adams

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/04/21 11:25 AM

On CBC TV news last night, Fauci was asked if the vaccine should be made mandatory and people be forced to take it, he said yes. Shades of Nazi Germany.80 million American have not taken the vaccine, is he in favour of forcing them to take the vaccine. Would the vast number of people go along with it.
Posted By: John Voorpostel

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/04/21 12:09 PM

Get vaccinated, wear a mask in denser crowds, socially distance

All else is noise
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/04/21 12:41 PM

When a highly trained and conditioned boxer gets hospitalized, even though he was vaccinated, THAT's scary,

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/oscar-la-hoya-hospitalized-breakthrough-222728161.html
Posted By: John Voorpostel

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/04/21 11:40 PM

The point of vaccination is not to prevent the viral infection, but to prepare the immune system for the possibility a particular virus comes at you

So earlier discussions about getting Covid while vaccinated are right...but the key is that the infection will be mild compared to if it hit you while the body was NOT prepared for it

So while I am vaccinated, I still wear a mask, socially distance and take care not to encounter strangers in enclosed spaces ...this helps me and it helps others
Posted By: IronKnee

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/05/21 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Everett Adams
On CBC TV news last night, Fauci was asked if the vaccine should be made mandatory and people be forced to take it, he said yes. Shades of Nazi Germany.80 million American have not taken the vaccine, is he in favour of forcing them to take the vaccine. Would the vast number of people go along with it?.


A VERY good question.
Will the vac'ed, here in America, go along with the madness of forced vacs to those who do not want them, as Hitler's good Germans did, when the pointed finger was aimed at the Jews? As Americans, we all have the choice.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/05/21 02:03 PM

I dont know if im on board with a forced mandate, that gets into constitutional rights, or even religious rights and human rights.

It's a tricky line, but it does make one lose hope in humanity when people wont get this to help themselves, their children and the rest of the world.

Then again, nobody cared about the smoker when they werent allowed to smoke in restaurants or clubs, movie theatres, work place, doctors office...(Our old family doctor used to have cigarettes burning in the ash tray when we went to visit back in the day.)

But i doubt very much a mandate could ever be enforced. It would take every resource we have to enforce it, and would open the door for gangs, crime, terrorists while nobody is paying attention to them. Were not Nazi Germany, we wouldnt be able to do it that way.




Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/05/21 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by IronKnee
Originally Posted by Everett Adams
On CBC TV news last night, Fauci was asked if the vaccine should be made mandatory and people be forced to take it, he said yes. Shades of Nazi Germany.80 million American have not taken the vaccine, is he in favour of forcing them to take the vaccine. Would the vast number of people go along with it?.


A VERY good question.
Will the vac'ed, here in America, go along with the madness of forced vacs to those who do not want them, as Hitler's good Germans did, when the pointed finger was aimed at the Jews? As Americans, we all have the choice.


Governments, State and Federal have the power to mandate vaccinations....for the Feds it's a little trickier ... i.e. the disease crossing state lines and foreign borders..they can mandate and have done so for Fed employees...businesses have the right to mandate employees be vaccinated or undergo significant ongoing testing..the states have the right to mandate vaccinations period. This is not something new..these powers (laws) have been in effect for decades....these mandates have been challenged in the courts and found to be allowed. Almost no one is alive from the last major pandemic so maybe we have lulled ourselves into believing we can't be vaccinated without our consent. Pandemics kill at unusual speed.

Everyone, not just Americans, has the choice to take or not take the vaccine...there are, however,restrictions on all freedoms(shouting fire in a crowded theatre)...it only, IMO, becomes a question of what the consequences will be if you choose not to be vaccinated if, as and when it might be mandated by governments. They invoke mandates if they feel it is necessary to protect society as a whole, not, IMO, to impose control over the population..everyone can agree or disagree with that statement but if it is possible, when you post your opinion, on this thread please indicate so.

Living in Canada (Nova Scotia) we have our Charter of Rights and Freedoms...some have said they are stronger than the U.S. Constitution. Here in NS we are at 71% fully vaccinated. I have no idea if the Provincial Government will mandate the rest get vaccinated once all vaccines have been fully approved but that may have to occur. I am in support of that decision and they have the power to do so.

As time passes, there will, IMO, be more pressure placed on the those not vaccinated and, IMO, that is unfair to them because of their strong beliefs. The majority of the population, in North America, has already made their decision to voluntarily get vaccinated, Perhaps the time is going to come when they say enough is enough...get vaccinated.
Posted By: IronKnee

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/05/21 04:56 PM

As all may know...........the science of this vac has no consensus, as of yet. What should be outraging everyone is that there are hundreds and hundreds of scientific and medical "experts" denouncing this vac.
My outrage stems from the obvious...........someone is lying to us; and, until we are clear, we should all be slow in mandating anything.
Weather we get the jab, or not, the thought of the "unvac'ed need not apply" is totally BAD.

And remember...........both vac'ed and unvac'ed can still catch this virus, as well as, spread this virus. There are also treatments that are becoming more and more widely used with awesome results.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/05/21 05:27 PM

If there was no consensus, it would not have been approved by the FDA, first for emergency, and now, normal use.

The naysayers are fringe people, the science is on the side of the vaccine.

I think what will happen, instead of mandates they will force buildings and places of business to ask for proof of being vaxxed. Just like they ask for ID at a bar....
Posted By: VNORTH2

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/05/21 05:51 PM

Fortunately, IMO, the vast majority of the population has, through their decision to get vaccinated, not bought into the negativity surrounding the vaccine. They do not seem to be buying into what's floating out there in the ether. That number should increase, over time, which means there will be more and more pressure on those not vaccinated.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/05/21 06:08 PM

IF they let the President take the vaccine on TV, then either they are Republicans, or, they deem it safe.
Posted By: IronKnee

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/05/21 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio

If there was no consensus, it would not have been approved by the FDA, first for emergency, and now, normal use.

The naysayers are fringe people, the science is on the side of the vaccine.



The consensus you refer to is on one side of their "science", while the other consensus is on the other side of their "science". Top scientists and doctors from all around the world are warning us of this shot......hardly simple "fringe" naysayers.

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
IF they let the President take the vaccine on TV, then either they are Republicans, or, they deem it safe.


You have heard that placebos have been introduced into the mix of things?

And how was it when Fauci took his shot (left arm) one day, and the next, when asked, said it was great..... but still experienced stiffness in his shoulder (right arm). Yea......never mind......everyone gets a shot, weather they want it or not.
Thanks a lot, folks.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/05/21 11:52 PM

Theres always going to be scientists who are against things, some scientists, including Donald Trump recommended the malaria drug.

Im not sure what the alternative is?



Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/06/21 12:04 AM

https://www.kare11.com/article/news.../89-c357f176-4294-4571-b2a0-bb39ef44647d
Posted By: IronKnee

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/06/21 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Theres always going to be scientists who are against things, some scientists, including Donald Trump recommended the malaria drug.

Im not sure what the alternative is?





The "malaria" drug works. I have first hand experience X 10, that Hydroxychloroquine w/ zinc is awesome.
Of course, the other "science" informs us that it is ineffective and dangerous.
There are a lot of half truths, as well as, out and out lying out there. It's up to you.................fear is a mind killer, and there are those who profit in fear and chaos.
God bless, all of you.
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/06/21 12:29 AM

It was already proven NOT to work. Now you're telling me that the malaria drug works, because you think it does, yet a study of 6 million patients, stating modernas safety has no bearing on you...

I dont know man.... lets hope, thats all we can do.
Posted By: IronKnee

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/06/21 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
It was already proven NOT to work. Now you're telling me that the malaria drug works, because you think it does, yet a study of 6 million patients, stating modernas safety has no bearing on you...

I dont know man.... lets hope, thats all we can do.


I didn't make anything up..........they are just facts from my side of the science. It has been proven effective by myself, as well as thousands of those prescribing Hydo and taking Hydo w/ zinc.
Sorry, man....didn't mean to challenge your facts.
I'll let you have the last word..........
God bless!


https://rumble.com/vm62ig-ivermecti...als-filled-with-vaccinated-american.html
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/06/21 02:03 PM

The last word is always the best, so im glad I have it.

Randomized controlled trials — the highest standard of evidence — have found that hydroxychloroquine isn’t beneficial in treating hospitalized COVID-19 patients. Yet social media posts are claiming the drug works, and conservative outlets have touted an unpublished, and much-criticized, observational study as evidence of the drug’s effectiveness.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-no-new-revelation-on-hydroxychloroquine-and-covid-19/

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/10/0...ne-does-not-help-treat-coronavirus-15077
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/07/21 06:33 PM

Hmmmmm... I wonder what "mandates" our immunocompromised grandchildren will be faced with...
Posted By: IronKnee

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/08/21 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by JAPOV
Hmmmmm... I wonder what "mandates" our immunocompromised grandchildren will be faced with...


The way things are going, it won't be to listen to their parents.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/08/21 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by IronKnee
Originally Posted by JAPOV
Hmmmmm... I wonder what "mandates" our immunocompromised grandchildren will be faced with...


The way things are going, it won't be to listen to their parents.


I'm re-posting this...

https://rumble.com/vm62ig-ivermecti...als-filled-with-vaccinated-american.html

For those of you who think I'm just choosing "political sides", you really need to get over yourselves! I really do have a background in emergency medicine, and everything in this video makes perfect sense to me...

Please just pause the "Obama/Biden cancel culture political BS" long enough to watch the video and ask yourself, Why did all these current "mandates" begin with nursing staff? Why were so many Chinese lab techs and researchers *SILENCED* at the beginning of this outbreak? Who is getting rich injecting the entire world and, by contractual law, cannot be held accountable?

There is one thing that we all absolutely agree upon... The decision you make in this regard doesn't just effect YOU! And NOBODY knows what the long term effects will be...

Personally, and back to the original point of "My Thread", I love the MATH in this video!
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/09/21 10:09 PM

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=deaths+from+covid

Serious questions...
How do you call this a "PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED" when the mortality rate of the Delta variant of Covid is HALF "(1/2)" the rate of the original strain?

If 99.99% of all new "CASES" of Covid (not deaths from Covid) are among the unvaccinated, and we already know that Covid is mutating AGAIN making the current vaccine even less effective, then what's the point of these grossly overreaching mandates?

Of course the obvious question is... If the vaccine is truly so effective, then what do the vaccinated have to fear from the unvaccinated? Why are "booster shots" necessary? Why must EVERYONE simply "obey and submit" to assumed political authority and quit asking stupid questions?

And then there's what I've been asking from the very beginning... WHY AREN'T THEY FOCUSED ON CHECKING THE POPULATION FOR NATURAL ANTIBODIES?!? EVERYONE knows that vaccines based upon NATURAL "S-C-I-E-N-C-E" are 1000X more EFFECTIVE!

Until I get verifiable answers, Biden can kiss my A$$!
Posted By: Fdemetrio

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/09/21 10:17 PM

I would have to agree with you on that, i saw that comment and thought this is a guy who is trying to make it look like Covid disappeared on his watch. It hasnt.

We had a fully vaccinated professional boxer, Oscar De La Hoya hospitalized with it, so its NOT just unvaccinated, and ive read so many breakthrough cases, it seems like they arent breakthroughs, but the norm.

NJ is reporting breakthrough cases too.

We should all be vaccinated, but its not a cure, it's probably as effective as the regular flu shot which is 50% effective.
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/10/21 02:26 AM

Israel is all the proof you need of the failing efficacy of the current vaccines, but it's happening all around the world and the current socialist "cancel culture" media machine is covering it up!

These vaccines were originally intended to be an "emergency measure" for the elderly and those at greatest risk. However, Biden and the socialist media have turned it into a political platform to further divide the world... AND CLAIM COMPLETE AUTHORITY AND CONTROL OVER AMERICA'S MEDICAL SYSTEM! What Biden is trying to do is set a precedent that will make Obamacare enforceable by law!

I'm convinced the Democrats have a twisted utopian vision of the future that simply ignores equal rights, and will ultimately categorize 90% of the world's population as something less than human...
Posted By: IronKnee

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/10/21 03:51 AM

I know this might be offensive, to some; but, if you just listen for a few of minutes, you will catch the drift of what millions are living thru.
I don't have a good job........I have a GREAT job. And it is now in jeopardy. If I were to post this else where, I would get the usual...oh ya, good for you, screw your rights!!! I'm hoping for something different, here at the JPF site. "Where Are You" on this issue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UpkI3bZCa8&ab_channel=JugalTV
Posted By: JAPOV

Re: All Covid discussion posts will be merged here! - 09/10/21 04:40 AM

I can't tell if Biden is tyrannical and senile, or just so stupid that he'll read whatever his handlers write for him. It was funny during his campaign from the safety of his basement, it was sad when he destroyed everything Trump accomplished his first week in office, but now the man has proven himself to be so out of touch... he's dangerous! Absolutely everything the man says and does is a contradiction. Trouble is, he already stole the election once, and the Supreme Court wouldn't even hear Giuliani's case...

On one hand, as a Christian, I see where all this is heading and I'm actually glad. A "re-set" is definitely coming, it's just not the one most people think...
On the other hand, it's only going to get worse before it gets better...
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