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Hi everybody,
we just finished recording the song that I would like to share with you today. It took us a long time to find the right sound and as you can maybe hear the vocal work was also very complex. The vocalist is 17 years old. A great team of people participated in this song production. The demo starts with the first chorus. I always enjoy comments, feedback and critique.

Take care
Robert

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12087150

YOU'RE NO GOOD

Intro:
You're no good, good, good
You're no good, good, good

Verse 1:
You don't know what I'm feeling baby
When you come home late every night
To be in love with a guy like you
No, you don't know what it's like

Verse 2:
I've been wanting to leave you lately
But I don't know if that's wrong or right
You give me hell but you drive me crazy
When you give me what I like

Pre-Chorus:
I can't take it, can't take it no more
I'm in love, like never before
You stole my heart, now you want my soul
Can't get enough of you, I'm out of control

Chorus:
You're no good, good, good
No, you don't know what it's like
You're no good, good, good
But you sure can give me what I like

Verse 3:
I've been riding a roller coaster
I'd like to set my feelings aside
You break my heart on a daily basis
No, you don't know what it's like

Verse 4:
You make loving so much fun, ooh
In bed with you is such a delight
When I forget that you're no good
That's when you give me what I like

Pre-chorus
I can't take it, can't take it no more
I'm in love, like never before
You stole my heart, now you want my soul
Can't get enough of you, I'm out of control

Chorus:
You're no good, good, good
No, you don't know what it's like
You're no good, good, good
But you sure can give me what I like

Bridge:
I know you know you're no good for me
I want a guarantee
I get the third degree
Whatever you say, I disagree

Will we finally get this to work out right
If I stay one more night
I can't put up a fight
When you give me, ooh what I like

Chorus


Music & lyrics: Robert Baitinger / Fabian Goerg
Production: Markus Lammarsch
Vocals: Elisa
Rhodes, hammond: Thorsten Schaefer
All other instruments: Markus Lammarsch

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Rob, first one of yours I've listened to and I really like it!! Elisa is a top notch vocalist too... keep it up!! :)))) scotty

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Hey Richard, thanks man. Glad you liked it. Elisa is very good. We just released an album and she has some great video clips too. Thanks for the feedback!

All the best
Robert


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Nice production Rob! Love Elisa's voice, sounds more like a young adult than teenager. No nits here, I think you have a good sound, perhaps a bit "jazzier" than the current pop, but I like it alot. I was wondering if you were influenced by Linda Ronstadt's song, "Your no good?" Good luck with it.

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Everyone was very good.


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Hi Eddie,
was I influenced by Linda Ronstadt's song? Probably, in one way or another. Ronstadt's song benefited from the contribution of Andrew Gold who provided virtually all the track's instrumentation. Andrew and I were close friends and we even wrote a few songs together. He influenced my music and taught me a lot about writing and producing. Of course, immediately when I started writing this track I thought about Linda's song. The only thing the two songs have in common are the song titles.

I'm glad you liked the track. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks!

Robert

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Rob, that's interesting about you being friends with A. Gold. I was a huge Linda Ronstadt fan in the 70's. I saw her in concert in 1976, I believe at "Pine Knob" ampatheatre just north of Detroit, Michigan. Ask Andrew if he remembers that venue. Andrew Gold started the show with some of his own material, and then later played piano for her for the main event. I remember being extremely impressed with Andrew, and I know he went on and had some success of his own not long after.

My favorite song of hers, is her version of the Eagles Desperato--hard to beat--but I also really liked "This ball and chain," I love how that song starts, especially. Linda had a "one in-a-kind" powerful voice, but Andrew Gold was a great asset for her, maybe he wrote some of her songs, not sure.

I really enjoyed your song, I loved the mid-seventies music just before "Disco." Regards,

steady-eddie.

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Hey Eddie,
I'm sorry I can't ask Andrew if he remembers that venue because he passed away last year. If you're interested in what he and I did together you can visit my homepage

http://www.robertbaitinger.de/samples--videos/andrew-gold-from-los-angele.html

I posted a video there that shows him producing one of my songs. He was awesome.

I'm glad you liked my song. I'm getting mixed responses in the various songwriter forums. Some people say the 4th verse is too graphic. I made a few alternative lyrics suggestions but the vocalist selected these lines. She said they fit the target audience (15-25 years) the best.

Take care
Robert

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Thanks Rob, I'm sorry to hear about your friend Andrew passing away--I hadn't heard. He was a talent, didn't know him of course personally. I'll check your site out, I'm hoping to get one of my own up this year as well. With my career, I never took the time to "try" and get serious with my music, am doing so now, gradually. I will also go back and take some more serious listens with your song with attention to what you've described above. Will be in touch.

steady-eddie.

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This moves at a good pace.
Mix wise for me the bass could be trimmed down a tad in the verse and prechorus and I can't hear the first two words in
"You're no good good good". Otherwise, a great sound.
Minor nits though. It could be my old ears.
Vic


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Rob--

I gave this one 5 stars!

The only improvement for me, would be a little more fullness in the vocal--maybe a little more vocal exciter--JMHO--Overall I think it has a great sound!

Germany has a varied MUSIC SPECTRUM--I like their Blues and Jazz--i spent 2 and a half years there in the Air Force--a long time ago--LOVE THE WOMEN AND FOOD AND BEER!

Later,

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This is a cooking tune. Well produced with a nice clean sound. maybe the bass is a trifle hot and the horns are hidden a bit, but that could be soundclick compression, too.

Good job all around, glad to see you posting here! The singer has a real good sound to her.


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Humm,
I listened. There are maybe too many Good, good, repeats in the sond or at least this demo. I feel there isn't enough contrast or maybe another singer, this one is very good


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Hey Rob,

I'm back. There will always be some not comfortable with verse four lyrics, but I don't think it's too graphic, especially with what's out there today--it's common communication for most young people to relate to and there isn't anything vulgar about it.

I listened a couple more times, and at first I thought the "goods" might have been over done, but then I changed my mind. This is a chorus driven song with a lot going on and a lot of "drive." So I feel it has enough momentum to support the repetitive chorus. Verse #4 really acts as a Bridge, which also gives you a nice break.

Having said I'm ok with the "goods," there was somthing there however, that seemed not getting the central theme and title of this song across in my opinion--I noticed with the quick tempo, the "no" in the chorus isn't getting enough emphasis, but there isn't time. So what I'm thinking (may work or may not work for you,) as an alternative expression is saying it like so:

"You're no good - you're no good - you're no good,

I know, closer to LR version--but the melody is different not to mention 35 years have passed. Since she wouldn't be vocally holding the "goods," she really doesn't have to sing it much faster to keep on beat. The advantage from my perspective is that you are not holding the "goods" which may be why some feel it's over done there. It actually feels and sounds to me like she is expressing that he's "good, good, good, positively, by hearing the "goods" back to back, when rather he is "no good." (Analogy: Have you ever seen anybody nod their head up and down, but are saying no)? The song's title and message would be better reinforced with this small change, and assuming it works.

You might experiment with it if you are so inclined or just keep it how you have it--food for thought. Not going to comment on the mix and performance--you've got it going well there. You have more experience than myself, but perhaps somthing I've suggested may be of value. Dynomite song, love it's arrangement!

steady-eddie.

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Hi Taggy Lee,
thanks for taking the time to listen to the track.

Take care
Robert

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Hi Vicarn,
I'll pass your hints on to Markus Lammarsch who was in charge of the production and mix of the track. He played almost all of the instruments. I don't think it has anything to do with your ears but it could be a SoundClick thing, since SoundClick converts the resolution. Thanks for your input.

Robert

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Hi Mackie,
thanks for the stars. I appreciate that. I forgot to mention that we didn't use any pitch correction software like Melodyne. What you hear is exactly the way she sang it.

Yeah, Germany is a nice place to live...with the exception of the weather.

Take care
Robert

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Hi Kevin,
itís been a while hasnít it. Thanks for your comments. Iíll tell the vocalist you think she did a good job. Sheíll love to hear that.
I tried this site out a few weeks ago with a video clip of the same artist and I got no response whatsoever. Iím very surprised about the amount and the quality of the feedback Iíve been getting in this strand. This is very useful.

Take care
Robert

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Hi Ray,
Yeah, I know what you mean. My wife said the same thing. We did have a version that had far more "goods" in it. We tackled the issue and in this current version I feel very comfortable with the number of "goods". I wanted a song with a high commercial value, something catchy. Repetition is one of the elements you can use to make a song catchy. When the song is over, what stays stuck in your ear? The line "you're no good, good, good". If that is the case, then I guess we did a good, good, good job. I'm aware of the fact that a lot of people don't like songs with a commercial focus. What we tried to do here is like a balancing act between musical art and commerce. According to the feedback I've been getting in the various forums, this track seems to be polarizing: either people love or they just don't. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate it.

Take care,
Robert

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Originally Posted by Rob B.
...I tried this site out a few weeks ago with a video clip of the same artist and I got no response whatsoever. Iím very surprised about the amount and the quality of the feedback Iíve been getting in this strand. This is very useful. ...


Yea, for some reason the video section just doesn't get lots of traffic. You would think it would since YouTube is the predominate place that folks go to find songs nowadays.


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Hi Eddie,
thank you for your comments regarding verse 4. I fully agree with you.

I understand your issues about stressing the "no" in the title. I'm not sure I can explain it correctly but I wanted to create something that I think is called an oxymoron. In your post you more or less nailed it. On the one hand the guy doesn't treat her like he should and therefore he's no good for her. Yes, "you're no good" would be very appropriate. But on the other hand this guy knows exactly what she likes and what she needs. He's not just good. He's better than good. He's good, good, good. So I tried packing these contradictory statements in one line: you're no good, good, good and reinforced what I meant with the other lines of the chorus: you don't know what it's like - you sure can give me what I like. Like you described, it's like nodding your head up and down and saying no.

I'm glad you liked the music. I didn't produce it but I did co-write the song and recorded the vocal tracks with Elisa, the vocalist. We put a lot of effort in the production work.

Thanks again for your detailed thoughts and ideas! They were very helpful.

All the best
Robert

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Thanks Rob,

I get what you are saying, and with pop music, unlike ballads, I think it is typical and even interesting for the lyrics to be sometimes clever, abstract, or more impressionistic rather than as realistic or literal--creates interest and drama--exactly what young people like. Most important for me is the audio/verbal flow--you definitely have that going! Good luck with it. (so you're calling me a moron)?--just kidding, although I will have to look up oxymoron!

steady-eddie.

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HiDee Brother Rob!

Hadda peek in at this Title...since I AM Good (It's on my Drivers License..heh!)..& lived 2 Army-Years in Heidelberg (met my Swiss-French wife there 42 yrs ago.)

Penned my first Song 32 years ago/often got called on "Crammed Lines"..so I'm maybe an Authority on 'Em by-now... ;-)>

Thus, I'd recommend ya'd shed "can" from your last Chorus Line. It's forcing Elisha to rush-thru the line/gets-muddled/hard for this listener to translate sans lyric sheet...at least the first few listens. The line'll Pop-Better when "SURE" gets emphasized-more, methinks...

Bass IS a tidge heavy/singer's subbed a tad more'n she oughta-be in Your Mix/JMO.

That-Said, I Like what's here...it's overall Good-Good-to-Listen-To..& DOESN'T sound at all like a remake of the Ronstat Hit!

Congrats & Good Luck with it, Amigo!
Best Wishes & a Big Guy-Hug,
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Hey Eddie,
that's exactly what I thought when I wrote the lines. Since I co-wrote the music I knew what the song would sound like before I started writing the lyrics.
According to Webster's Dictionary an oxymoron is something that is made up of contradictory elements.
We'll see how far Elisa can go with this song and her EP. This track is probably the weakest track on the EP.

All the best
Robert

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Hey Stan,
Heidelberg is a nice city. How's Florida? I was born there, in Panama City.

I wrote my first song when I was 17. That was ... oh my God, 35 years ago, but I'm still learning new things.
Your suggestion to shed "can" in the last chorus line is a good one. That put a big grin on my face. The original lyrics didn't have it in there. While recording the vocals we noticed the line didn't flow too well. I added "can" and it sounded much better. With this kind of beat the flow was more important to me than getting certain words emphasized.

I agree with you about the bass. The overall sound is rotten because of the SoundClick conversion. The original recording sounds great and was mixed and mastered by an expert. I'll probably have to switch to Soundcloud in the future.

Maybe I should change the song title to "Good, Good, Good" to keep people from thinking this might be a Ronstadt cover, lol.
Thanks for taking the time to listen to the track and posting your thoughts!

Take care
Robert

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Hello Rob,

Nice to meet you & WELCOME to JPF
THIS song moves real well, good job.

Calvin


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Rob,

Lots of energy put into a contemporary sound. I thought of Linda Ronstadt at first, but your song is very different from hers.

Jim

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Hey Calvin,
Thank you. Greetings from Germany. I'm glad you liked the song.

Take care
Robert

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Hi Jim,
thanks for the feedback. Yeah, all the Ronstadt fans think this is some kind of cover song. It's good that the market we are targeting (age 15-25) doesn't know Linda that well.

Take care
Robert


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