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I found a chord that I think sounds beautiful but I don't know what chord it is. I had it wrote down as CH9 but I don't see any such chord on my chart so...

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret. Does anyone know what chord it is and what sounds good with it. I think G sounds ok with it but haven't found anything else that really sounds good with it.

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It is a C with an added 9th, which I think you knew (assuming the H means you are adding the 9th)

Your notes on the strings, in conventional tuning, are e c e g d e

The two e's are open, then CEG give you the C chord, but then you add the D which is the 9th above C(starting from the root note C, count up so that you get C1, D2, E3, F4, G5, A6, B7, C8, up to D9)





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Called a C+9 actually (probably what the H is supposed to be).

Try playing C+9, C, Fmaj7, G

Fmaj7 is F with the skinny 1st E string (bottom string the way you describe it) open and the rest of the F normal.


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Hey Dottie, what you saw was probably not an "h" but a "mu" symbol. Mu is a letter in the greek alphabet, uppercase it is an "M" but lower case it looks like an upside-down h. It began use as a symbol for the add nine by the band Steely Dan. They called the chord a Mu Major chord, and used it in many if not most of their songs. Since then it has gotten wide, but not deep, acceptance as a name for the major add nine chord.

Here's a site dedicated to it:
http://www.hakwright.co.uk/steelydan/mu-major.html

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Thanks Mike!! smile

Wow Colin, that f is very pretty too. To clarify the it's the 2nd sting in the 1st fret, 3rd in the 2nd fret and 4th in the 3rd fret? And I'm counting the bottom string as the 1st string. Because that's the way I play f except I hold both the bottom string in the 1st fret. I can't play the other f.

So it's very much like C!

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Hi John,

Thank you very much, I'm trying to get better and some new chords. smile

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It is all of the C chord, plus a note that mushes the sounds of the root and the third. Very peaceful and relaxing chord. To make it sound "serious" you can remove the e altogether, and just play c d g. That's known as a "Suspended 2nd." It's the "Wreck of the Edumnd Fitzgerald" chord. smile


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Here is a great site: http://www.chorderator.com/cgi-bin/designer.py

You can click on the strings/frets and it tells you potential names for the chord.


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Thanks Kevin,

I bookmarked it. smile

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To add to Colin's exercise, this is another nice round that uses the C+9 as a root chord

C+9, Am7, Dm9 to G

Am7 is like an Am, but play the middle note open...or like a C without a finger on the A string.

The Dm9 is like a D7 (an upside down D) except flatten the F# to F on the high E string.

When you go to G, start by only pressing down on the b and e strings on the third fret (they're a G and D note) before coming down to a proper G...except leave your two finger of the G and D.

That way, when you go back to the C+9, you only have to lift your finger off the G on the high e string, and move your two fingers from the G position on the low E an A srings to their C position on the A and D strings.

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Trying to understand; You say,

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret.

If you don't play the 6th string, and play the 1st and 3rd strings open, could you write it like this?

X32O3O

X 3 2 O 3 O

X indicates 6th string not played.

3 indicates 5th string on 3rd fret,

2 4th string on 2nd fret,

O for 3rd string Open,

3 for 2nd string on 3rd fret,

and
O for 1st string open.

That sounds pretty good.


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Originally Posted by Dottie

Wow Colin, that f is very pretty too. To clarify the it's the 2nd sting in the 1st fret, 3rd in the 2nd fret and 4th in the 3rd fret? And I'm counting the bottom string as the 1st string. Because that's the way I play f except I hold both the bottom string in the 1st fret. I can't play the other f.

So it's very much like C!


That's it!


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You say;

To clarify the it's the 2nd string in the 1st fret, 3rd in the 2nd fret and 4th in the 3rd fret?

Like this?

XX321O ?

X X 3 2 1 O

That's a F major 7th isn't it folks?


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Gary - you have it.


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I'm going to look at this two ways. When Dottie says, "from the bottom" my first inclination is to think she means the bottom as being the highest sounding string, so I'll start that way.

Originally Posted by Dottie
I found a chord that I think sounds beautiful but I don't know what chord it is. I had it wrote down as CH9 but I don't see any such chord on my chart so...

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret E, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret C and D.


With the open e and g strings that gives you bass to treble: e d g e c e which is a c add 9.

Now let's look at it the way the guitar is traditionally viewed, with the "bottom" string being the lowest sounding string:

Originally Posted by Dottie


It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret A, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret D and C.

Dottie


Which would give you, bass to treble: e c d a c e which could be an incomplete C69 or maybe an em7sharp5.

My money is on the first chord. The Cadd9. Many guitarists will call the strings that are physically on the bottom the "bottom" strings, whereas many guitar teachers will call the lower sounding strings the "bottom" strings. But the big clue was the "h" because the "mu" symbol looks like an "h" and the add nine chord is what is often called the "mu" chord.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
To add to Colin's exercise, this is another nice round that uses the C+9 as a root chord

C+9, Am7, Dm9 to G

Am7 is like an Am, but play the middle note open...or like a C without a finger on the A string.

The Dm9 is like a D7 (an upside down D) except flatten the F# to F on the high E string.

When you go to G, start by only pressing down on the b and e strings on the third fret (they're a G and D note) before coming down to a proper G...except leave your two finger of the G and D.

That way, when you go back to the C+9, you only have to lift your finger off the G on the high e string, and move your two fingers from the G position on the low E an A srings to their C position on the A and D strings.

Have fun smile



Thanks John, I'll try this today! I'm very tired of just playing the same chords all the time. I do have some books and a chart and I learn new chords from them but it doesn't tell me what sounds good with them so I just try everything I know with a new chord. smile

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Originally Posted by Gary E. Andrews
You say;

To clarify the it's the 2nd string in the 1st fret, 3rd in the 2nd fret and 4th in the 3rd fret?

Like this?

XX321O ?

X X 3 2 1 O

That's a F major 7th isn't it folks?


I'm calling the bottom string the actual bottom string so it may be like that but I don't understand that. smile

Edit: I understand it now!! smile

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Here's a simplified chord tree that tells you what chords can easily lead to the next chord. Not the "definitive" answer in chord progressions, but still helpful: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

And if you want to get scared: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/genmap.htm


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Originally Posted by Gary E. Andrews
Trying to understand; You say,

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret.

If you don't play the 6th string, and play the 1st and 3rd strings open, could you write it like this?

X32O3O

X 3 2 O 3 O

X indicates 6th string not played.

3 indicates 5th string on 3rd fret,

2 4th string on 2nd fret,

O for 3rd string Open,

3 for 2nd string on 3rd fret,

and
O for 1st string open.

That sounds pretty good.


Yes it finally makes sense...Thank you!!

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Originally Posted by Mike Dunbar
I'm going to look at this two ways. When Dottie says, "from the bottom" my first inclination is to think she means the bottom as being the highest sounding string, so I'll start that way. Yes I mean the bottom string on the guitar, the top string being the bass string.

Originally Posted by Dottie
I found a chord that I think sounds beautiful but I don't know what chord it is. I had it wrote down as CH9 but I don't see any such chord on my chart so...

It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret E, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret C and D.


With the open e and g strings that gives you bass to treble: e d g e c e which is a c add 9. See this is confusing because there are 2 E strings a bottom and top one. I don't understand why they're both called E strings. smile

Now let's look at it the way the guitar is traditionally viewed, with the "bottom" string being the lowest sounding string: So the bass E (top string) is actually called the bottom string and to clarify it would be called the 6th string?

Originally Posted by Dottie


It's the 4th string from the bottom in the 2nd fret A, 5th and 2nd string from the bottom in the 3rd fret D and C.

Dottie


Which would give you, bass to treble: e c d a c e which could be an incomplete C69 or maybe an em7sharp5.

My money is on the first chord. The Cadd9. Many guitarists will call the strings that are physically on the bottom the "bottom" yes that's what I'm doing strings, whereas many guitar teachers will call the lower sounding strings the "bottom" strings. But the big clue was the "h" because the "mu" symbol looks like an "h" and the add nine chord is what is often called the "mu" chord.


Thanks Mike I'm learning slowly but surely. smile

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Here's a simplified chord tree that tells you what chords can easily lead to the next chord. Not the "definitive" answer in chord progressions, but still helpful: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

And if you want to get scared: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/genmap.htm


Thanks Kevin this is great! smile

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Here's a simplified chord tree that tells you what chords can easily lead to the next chord. Not the "definitive" answer in chord progressions, but still helpful: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

And if you want to get scared: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/genmap.htm


When this sites (top url) says these are the chords for the key of C, does that mean they sound good together? I think so because to me those chords sound good together! smile

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Dottie, there's a tradition of calling the lowest SOUNDING string the "bottom" string. That way if you play the guitar left handed without changing the strings, or play the guitar while lying down....it's still the bottom string. Glad you're learning so much about the guitar.

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Originally Posted by Dottie
http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

... this ... url... says these are the chords for the key of C, does that mean they sound good together? I think so because to me those chords sound good together! smile


They are the normal major and minor chords in the key of C, so yes, they all sound good together. What the chart really is about is what chords "normally" follow a played chord and still sound good in the key of C. So if you played a C chord and then an F chord -- what could you play next? Well, you could play anything next (ha, ha) -- but as a beginner it might be good to try either a Dminor chord or a G chord (and then back to C).


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Dottie, this is the best book I've ever found for a songwriter who uses their guitar to compose the music.

You should be able to find it


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You have all been soooo much help, thank you!! I'm having a blast. smile

I'll check out that book John. smile

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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Here's a simplified chord tree that tells you what chords can easily lead to the next chord. Not the "definitive" answer in chord progressions, but still helpful: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/part5.htm .

And if you want to get scared: http://mugglinw.ipower.com/chordmaps/genmap.htm


I love this Chart Kevin, wow it's a huge help. smile

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Read the entire tutorial -- it's pretty good! Scroll down to the middle on the page below and it shows you the same "simple" chart in roman numerals so you can use the same map in any key.

Simple map in roman numerals (half-way down)


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When you find a chord that sounds good, that you don't know the name of, you can write it by that number-of-fret method I showed you so you can remember it until you get a chance to track it down in a chart, or, if you learn about notes, to identify it by the notes within it.


The strings are numbered 1 through 6 from the 'bottom' up, as you hold the guitar, with the high-pitched treble string furthest away from your face, and the low-pitched bass string closest to your face (top).

But when naming the notes of the 'open' strings, for some reason, they name them from the top down,
E A D G B E
6 5 4 3 2 1

I always wondered why. My girlfriend says it's because we're men. I think she's just having a dig at me, but then again, she may be right.


A G Chord would be written in the number-of-fret method as;

32OOO3

A C Chord;

X32O1O

A D Chord;

XXO232





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Originally Posted by Kevin Emmrich
Read the entire tutorial -- it's pretty good! Scroll down to the middle on the page below and it shows you the same "simple" chart in roman numerals so you can use the same map in any key. I will, it's great info for me. smile

Simple map in roman numerals (half-way down)

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Hi Gary,

Want to hear something funny? Earlier I was so puzzle about why the 5th string was called a 3 just because it was in the 3rd fret, when I told my husband who does not play guitar AT ALL he understood it right away and explained it to me, so I'm sure a man did that!!! smile

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Dottie it just proves that men are far superior to women. LOL

A man invented the credit card and chip and pin but it is women who know how to use it....maybe the pin should have been a ten digit number half way down a chart.....LOL

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While we're at it, would anybody be able to tell me what this chord is?

x54030

I use it in a lot of songs, and have no idea what to call it when writing it down.
I think that in some songs it works as some sort of voicing of a D and in some it's a G.
I'm confused.

EDIT: I think it's the chord that I'm playing in my avatar pic, actually. Weird.

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Originally Posted by PopTodd
While we're at it, would anybody be able to tell me what this chord is?

x54030
This is used quite a bit in folk, I consider it a fancy D chord smile - I think it's Dadd4 but there's rouge C# in there too. It's a nice and easy chord (and satisfying) to play straight after a C, just keep the C shape and slide up a couple of frets - lovely grin

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Originally Posted by Nigel Quin
Originally Posted by PopTodd
While we're at it, would anybody be able to tell me what this chord is?

x54030
This is used quite a bit in folk, I consider it a fancy D chord smile - I think it's Dadd4 but there's rouge C# in there too. It's a nice and easy chord (and satisfying) to play straight after a C, just keep the C shape and slide up a couple of frets - lovely grin

Exactly.
I use it in this song:
http://hoponpop.bandcamp.com/track/im-pathetic
(During the part where the vocals go "oooohhhh..."

And the first time I ever used it was in my old punk band, in this song:
http://hoponpop.bandcamp.com/track/whiskey
It kinda takes the place of a "G" in this progression, though.

I've used it many, many times since. Yeah, I love it. It has such a pretty sound. I think it's the high "E" that gives it that ethereal sound.

So: D add4?
But there is no C sharp. An F sharp, maybe.
And thanks so much.

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I'm not a real blonde but I am going to ask a blonde question now. Colin, or anyone (though Colin does seem to know all the answers) when I get to the end of that chord progression in the C chart do I have to quit? lol just kidding, I assume you just go back to the top and start over?

I told you it was a dumb question. smile

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Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
Dottie it just proves that men are far superior to women. LOL

Haha you're so funny smile

A man invented the credit card and chip and pin but it is women who know how to use it....maybe the pin should have been a ten digit number half way down a chart.....LOL


That might keep the blondes from using it!

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[quote=PopTodd]While we're at it, would anybody be able to tell me what this chord is?

x54030

That is a pretty chord.


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what is better for beginner a small size guitar or a large one?

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I believe that x54030 is a Dmaj(G) chord (a D with an added G) with the following notes edf#gde


The "normal" Dmaj voicing is 000232 which is xadadf#


Note in the first instance that if you also press down on the E at 5 (554030) that is an A....one of the D chord's notes...but because it is one of its notes, it is not mentioned seperately. I only add this statement because if you go down the frets to play a C chord, if you also add the G note (332010), it is called a C(G)


So going back to the Dmaj(G), the only difference between it and a "normal D" is in the added G. Yes, the open strings in the one are A and in the other they're E...but that presents no problem in this case...I believe because they harmonize.

So I suppose it is more technically correct to say it is a alternate voicing of Dmaj with an added G

I would think though that Mike Dunbar is the final authority here smile




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Originally Posted by PopTodd
So: D add4?
But there is no C sharp. An F sharp, maybe.
And thanks so much.

Yes, my bad that's what comes from not having a guitar to hand, it is an F# (not C#) but that is fine for a D. So I am going to revise the chord name to D add4 add9. The add4 is for the G and the Add 9 is for the top E. Where's Mike Dunbar when you need him? grin

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Originally Posted by daysyrowney
what is better for beginner a small size guitar or a large one?


Hi days,

I think your question was buried in this thread, you'd likely get an answer if you post it as a new topic but I beleive the answer is what ever feels right to you. smile

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Originally Posted by Nigel Quin
Originally Posted by PopTodd
So: D add4?
But there is no C sharp. An F sharp, maybe.
And thanks so much.

Yes, my bad that's what comes from not having a guitar to hand, it is an F# (not C#) but that is fine for a D. So I am going to revise the chord name to D add4 add9. The add4 is for the G and the Add 9 is for the top E. Where's Mike Dunbar when you need him? grin

So;
D add4 add9

Cool.
What would you call it if you were using it as a G? Would it have a different name?
Because the first song that I used it in, it was basically standing in as a voicing for a "G". At least that was what the bass was playing -- a G root.

I wish that I knew more about this theory stuff.
But this is cool.

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That's why I think it is called a Dmaj(G)...because of that G root, much like the C(G)I also cited. Maybe it is called a C with a G root and a D with a G root??



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If you use the chorderator link for x54030 : http://www.chorderator.com/cgi-bin/designer.py ,

you get things like this: Dno5add2add4, Em9no5/D, Gmaj7add6no3/D

I call it a "D" chord (ha, ha).

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The chorderator is almost right LOL. That's an old folky chord, Paul Simon, along with the rest of the folksong army, used the old x54030 It functions as a D chord with two drone strings. I would call a Dadd9add11. (As a general rule, folks use the numbers 2 and 4 when they are replacing a 3, which suspends the chord from being major or minor. When it's the 4, it is the garden variety suspended chord, when it is the 2 it is the Edmund Fitzgerald chord, the sus2. For chords already major or minor, they use 9, 11, and 13.) I wouldn't bother with the "no 5" because the chord would not be changed in effect if you added the 5: 554020 The chord is best arpeggiated (not played all notes played at once) or fingerpicked.


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I bought a Mel Bay Chord book. Those Guitar Chords look so easy! But when I tried to S-t-r-e-c-h my fingers to make those chords I discovered I am a few lengths short! So I reverted to Three Chords and the Truth! Who needs more chords anyway!


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Ray, Harlan Howard kept a guitar in his office for cowriters. When the cowriters would come in to show him a song and start playing a bunch of chords, he'd hand them this guitar and say, "Play it on this." It only had three frets. smile


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I'm up for learning any chord I can play with 3 fingers, lol my pinky doesn't work! smile

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