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#888791 - 03/29/11 05:44 PM Blazetrak...  
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Blaze Trak is a legit source for those who don't have the industry access some people are fortunate to have. If you're not ready, don't do it, but if you are, you'd be doing yourself a disservice by not. Yeah, it costs a little bit of money to buy BT credits, but I've gone out on a limb and even with the connections I do have, I tried it out to see how the end result would be.

Lets just say, my team made a good impression with those we submitted to.

Anyway, this press release through a Wall Street Journal affiliate should show you what's possible through Blaze Trak. If you didn't believe me before, you should believe me now.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/on...oup-launches-via-blazetrakcom-2011-03-29

Brian,

I would love to see you reach out to Ron Harrison and see how JPF and Blaze Trak can benefit each other.

For everyone else, I recommend checking it out.

G

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#888792 - 03/29/11 06:12 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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thanks for the progress update Greg

anything that actually works is most welcome in the puzzle palace that is the modern music business.......appreciate you sharing your success story with them.........

Tom

#888794 - 03/29/11 06:26 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: WriterTomYeager]  
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Gregory, Not to rain on your parade, but that's NOT a Wall Street Journal news story or any kind of an endorsement. It's a press release from Blazetrack. An advertisement for the company.


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#888798 - 03/29/11 06:32 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Oh crap. Thanks Dan. I probably included the wrong link. Let me go look for it again. haha

#888799 - 03/29/11 06:32 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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That's what I get for copy and pasting without looking.

#888800 - 03/29/11 06:36 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Uh actually, when you click the link, look at the top left hand corner (market watch is an affiliate of the WSJ). So yeah. There you have it. Attention to detail.

#888801 - 03/29/11 06:47 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Gregory, Maybe I've got you confused. I'm not saying it's not published on the Wall Street Journal's website or a site affiliated with the WSJ. I'm saying it's NOT a news story, or news item. It wasn't written by WSJ or anyone affiliated with WSJ. It's clearly labeled a "press release." A press release is not any kind of objective news story. It's an organization or a company promoting itself or its views. That's why I said it's an advertisement.



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#888802 - 03/29/11 06:50 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Oh well yeah. It is a press release, but that doesn't make what is being said in it any less true. Let me "edit" my prior post and re-iterate that it's a press release and not an article.

#888803 - 03/29/11 06:53 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Anyway, I wasn't looking to debate on the dynamics of what a press release or an article is. The attention I wanted to bring was to the content itself.

#888804 - 03/29/11 06:54 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Gregory, I wasn't arguing with your endorsement of BT. But as an old journalist, I think its important not to pass off a company press release as if it's an objective news story or editorial from a reputable news gathering organization.

You seem sold on the company. That's fine by me. Good luck working with them.


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#888805 - 03/29/11 06:55 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Yeah Dan. I'm glad you caught that so I can make the necessary correction in my post. I don't want to mis-represent anyone. :-) What publication did you work as a journalist for?

#888806 - 03/29/11 07:03 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Greg, I was an editor of a local union publication called "The Union Flash." Out of Kalamazoo, MI. I was a jack-of-all trades, reporter, features, editorials and photographer. It was kind of a one-man operation.


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#888807 - 03/29/11 07:08 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Some of the stuff I wrote in my union days is still online. Here's a sample of convention reporting I did, if you're interested. Pretty straight-forward reporting.

http://www.lunewsviews.com/apwu/convention02.htm


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#888808 - 03/29/11 07:12 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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That's pretty cool you were able to make a living as a writer/editor. Cool stuff dude.

#888809 - 03/29/11 07:21 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Sorry, this thing got distracted from your endorsement of BK. Back to your promo now.


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#889286 - 04/01/11 03:28 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Great job, Greg!!

I'll bet you made a wonderful impression. You & your team write some very cool, very marketable and current material. grin

Linda

#889469 - 04/01/11 11:58 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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Originally Posted by Gregory Watton


Brian,

I would love to see you reach out to Ron Harrison and see how JPF and Blaze Trak can benefit each other.

For everyone else, I recommend checking it out.

G


Don't do it Brian!

Is this thread some kind of satire?

Dan smile

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No, Dan, it isn't - this is a real and legit company out there doing great things for artists.

Linda

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Why do I even waste my breath?

#891334 - 04/10/11 04:25 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Gregory Watton]  
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"For one Blazetrack credit, Robin (or one of her "representatives") will review . . . but wait! there's more . . . for 12 Blazetrack credits, Robin will . . . (do what?) Yeah, Greg, in this instance, you are most certainly "wasting your breath".
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p.s What's a "Blazetrack credit"?

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Originally Posted by Ott Lukk
"For one Blazetrack credit, Robin (or one of her "representatives") will review . . . but wait! there's more . . . for 12 Blazetrack credits, Robin will . . . (do what?) Yeah, Greg, in this instance, you are most certainly "wasting your breath".
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p.s What's a "Blazetrack credit"?


To satisfy your objective curiousity, Ott, here you go. grin

1 Credit = $15.00
3 Credits = $37.50
6 Credits = $72.00
8 Credits = $92.00
12 Credits = $132.00
24 Credits = $250.00
50 Credits = $475.00
100 Credits = $900.00
150 Credits = $1275.00

Credits are purchased when you submit your track to the professional of your choice. The professionals themselves set their rates, not Blazetrak.

A further article about Blazetrak.
http://newyorkbuzz.org/2009/11/19/b...-get-video-feedback-from-a-professional/

Thanks very much for the heads-up on this one, Greg. smile

I've signed up, and plan to submit a song to one of the professionals who places music in film/tv. I think the 6 credits will be well worth having the comprehensive feedback on video.

There's also an interesting selection of videos on YouTube from people who've made connections through Blazetrack. Here are three of them.

http://www.youtube.com/blazetrak#p/c/A1522629B2E850CD/13/572pspbLEDE

http://www.youtube.com/blazetrak#p/c/A1522629B2E850CD/3/kGbPNJJ5K6A

http://www.youtube.com/blazetrak#p/c/A1522629B2E850CD/4/WFMETsZKw74

Donna


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#891409 - 04/10/11 02:14 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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Ott,

If it's not for you, it's not for you. Continue doing whatever it is that you're doing.


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Donna,

Thank you and you're welcome. I especially appreciate the additional links you've provided!

Good luck with your submissions. I look forward to hearing how it turns out.


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Seems easy money just for listening to some tracks or looking at videos especially if you can delegate the task to a "representative". So now they will accept unsolicited material....from any source..... as long as you pay them......MMMM Mixed feelings on this.... the whole thing seems unethical....even fishy. I wonder what percentage of submissions gets anywhere via them.
I get a feeling of deja vu with this Blazetrak....was it not discussed a while back and a lot of JPFs had similar reservations.
But hey Greg and Donna if it works for you go for it.

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Big Jim, it was only that one instance that mention of "representative" was made, and it had to with dancing auditions, not music. smile The submissions aren't delegated to anyone else. The professional who's selected responds via a video, so you can see exactly who it is.

To my knowledge, Blazetrak hadn't been discussed prior to Greg's posting the info here. I don't throw my money away lightly, but I've been impressed by the videos from the people (from around the globe) who've had dealings with the organisation and have in fact made "connections". Check out the links I posted. wink The site itself is also informative and transparent.

Frankly, I'm glad to have the opportunity to get feedback on at least one of my more theatrical pieces, which aren't really suitable to submit for 'normal' critiques. My only problem now is deciding which of my many show-type songs to send. wink

I'm curious though as to why you'd consider Blazetrak unethical.

Anyway, once I've done the deed, I'll let you all know how it goes. If it turns out to be dodgy, I'll only be out a few euros and no harm done. If it turns out to be useful, well so much the better. wink

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#891427 - 04/10/11 07:01 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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So Jim,

Would it be "unethical" for a person to book a flight to (Nashville, Los Angeles, New York) in the hopes of "maybe" getting an appointment with a music professional in person? Would it also be "unethical" for a person to book hotel, transportation, food, or any other expense while that person is out on that trip HOPING to get someone to give them the time of day to let them explain WHY THEY are the next big thing as opposed to anyone else?

Paying for guaranteed exposure through Blazetrak costs A LOT LESS than that. Oh, did I forget to mention GUARANTEED EXPOSURE? Going on a trip to a music city doesn't mean you're gonna meet anyone worthwhile.

I bet you neglected to think about that. But then again, maybe BLAZETRAK isn't for you, and that's okay. It's not for everyone.

It's for those who are willing to invest in themselves IF they believe in themselves enough to do it. It's not for the hobbyist or fly by night get richer's. There's a fee attached to getting video responses from these professionals (not because they need the money, because I can assure you, they don't), but because it weeds out the serious from the casuals.

Do you think it's unethical for Universities to charge people to apply to their colleges in the hopes that those people get accepted into those Universities? It's kind of like that.

In the world of economics, there's a rule that applies, "Ain't no such thing as a free lunch." Do you really think everyone's time is free and that these professionals are obligated to give you the time of day, FREE OF CHARGE? IF they like you and they think you've got what it takes to have a profitable partnership with them, you're gonna make your money back and then some. IF they think you need room for improvement, then they'll offer you advice in where that improvement is needed. Doesn't TAXI do that (for a cost)?

I think before you totally dismiss something as "fishy", you might want to reconsider your position.

NOT EVERYBODY IS A SCAM ARTIST!!! (And if I remotely even thought what they were doing was a scam, there's no way in hell I would endorse it to anyone).

Anyway, that's my two cents. Take it or leave it. I have no control over what you choose to do and it doesn't affect me either way, but I do hope you become a little open minded about things in the future because there really are good people out there who want to change how things are done.

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And yes, Blazetrak was talked about months ago when they were first starting out. They've GROWN a lot since that time. I've introduced them to a couple of the people who are now featured professionals on Blazetrak. One of which is Larry Live (A&R for Timbaland productions & childhood friend of Timbaland). If you don't know who Timbaland is, I suggest you google his name.

I've used Blazetrak for things as well. Everything they promise, I got. It's worked in my favor. No scam or rip off there. I'm speaking of PERSONAL experience, so yeah.

I vouch for them because they deliver what they say they will deliver (even if it's a refund after 30 days).

If you have questions about them, contact their customer service and challenge them if you want or contact one of the founders and ask them whatever concerns you might have.

If it's not for you, it's not for you, but I think it's pretty crappy for a person to dismiss them as "unethical" or "fishy" without actually backing up the claim.

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I am just saying that to my mind paying someone to listen to your stuff seems pretty crappy and fishy and unethical but HEY if it works for you and others and you think it valuable then great go for it. JMO....and probably a lot of others.

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Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
I am just saying that to my mind paying someone to listen to your stuff seems pretty crappy and fishy and unethical but HEY if it works for you and others and you think it valuable then great go for it. JMO....and probably a lot of others.


I agree Jim! There are plenty of listeners and critics right here.

I wonder about the underlying objective of a songwriter using such a service. Or the subtle implications attached to the advertising of these services. I have a feeling the songwriter is thinking more in terms of the reviewer's credentials and what the reviewer can do beyond critiquing for them (unrealistic expectations).

I would be surprised if these services render anymore than a generic critique.

John smile

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Greg, Don't get so worked up, dude. Just because you're running promos for Blazetrak doesn't automatically give the business the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, and Big Jim is right to snort and be skeptical about it.

It sounds like a business exploiting people's dreams - mainly aimed at the young fellas and gals like yourself. You're paying for "access" to "important" people in the music industry for a fee. They'll give you an opinion and advice on your submission. I understand most of the big shots charge between $100-200 to listen to whatever you want to send. In return, you get a brief video response.

You can get an opinion and advice on your music on JPF for nothing if you're looking for validation.

Mostly, Blazetrak is about making the founders of the company rich and providing another small revenue stream to the "bigshots" offering advice and critiques to those willing to pay for advice.

How long has this outfit been around? Two or three years? Give me the name of someone who hit the jackpot after paying one of these "bigshots" for an opinion.

Until then, young folks trying to make it should concentrate on their music and networking in the music industry and playing gigs.

And always remember that a fool and his money are easily separated.




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As I said, it's not for everyone. Those who are interested, will use it. Those who aren't, won't. Blazetrak is an avenue for those who don't have the desire, knowledge, and/or ability to network and develop relationships with people in whatever field of profession they're looking to break into.

I have access to a lot of people and I've done it because I am lucky enough to be around the right people, but not everyone is able to be in those kind of shoes.

By the way Dan, I'm no fool and my money is not easily parted from me. I don't think Donna, Linda, or anyone else who have spent money on Blazetrak are fools either.

I agree with you though. Skepticism is healthy and I begrudge no one who utilizes it, however, I do have a problem with people who make blind accusations without substance.

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Dan, you said you “understand that most of the big shots charge between $100-$200”. If you'd read the list I provided 11 posts above, you’d have noted that credits range from $30.
The professional I’ve chosen to contact charges $72.
Thus, it’s misleading to imply that charges range from $100 to $200.
As an ex-reporter, you know the importance of getting the facts right. wink
Likewise, stating that Greg is “running promos for Blazetrak” is a misleading statement.

Do you know for certain that the video is brief? Have you read or heard that anywhere? How short – or long – is brief?

I only know that others have reported they found the videos comprehensive, detailed, and very useful. I intend to find out firsthand. As an ex-journo myself, I look on it as research. wink

I’m neither young nor aspiring. And I like to think I’m not foolish. smile I am, however, curious about what contact with a Blazetrak professional might involve. I have no qualms about spending $72 (or 50 euros, so for me, it’s cheap at that price) to be able to present something to someone who actually might have a clue about what I may – or may not – be able to do with a particular genre that’s outside the normal critiquing range.

It’s funny about attitudes. On the basis that I now know a little about the organisation (after spending some time studying the site carefully), if I knew of anyone who was going to ‘give it a go’, I’d be encouraging and hopeful for them, and eager to know what the result might be. As a realistic person, I know a healthy scepticism is absolutely in order for all things. However, I’m often astonished by how quickly people with no knowledge whatsoever about a particular thing are so quick to disparage.

John, I hope to be able to tell you whether the critique is generic or not. smile
If it is, I’ll have lost 50 euros. It would only be a one-off, so I could live with that. But at least I’ll have checked to see for myself what BT is all about. wink

Stay tuned to this channel, folks. wink

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#891471 - 04/10/11 11:20 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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I am just doubtful about the value of a paid critique in the first place. Are they seriously going to tell us something we do not already know? Most of us know a good song from a bad song and if we are honest know exactly how good our song is and where it ranks against others. Most of us scratch our head when a bummer of a song gets undue notice or becomes a hit and when a great song goes unnoticed we ask why. So what mind boggling shaft of light are these so-called high flyer experts going to add to the mix? Your song is too different in style to what is a hit these days...... or your song is too similar too what is in fashion these days and we want something a bit different..... or simply don't give up the day job as we have the market sewn up and do not want outsiders competing with us..... so thanks for your money but no thanks for the song.
I think there is something very seedy about people asking to get paid for giving comments on a song and something a bit creepy about folk paying to hear what these moneygrabbers think. I think it a tad delusional to think that a comment from one of these people is going to make any difference to us or make us better writers or get a song placed or make any money from it.
Better to save your money, write better songs build up a fan base and get noticed so the suits have to notice you.
Just my 2 cents......but some folk genuinely think they are the best songwriter in the world and have written the next "My Way" so all logic and rational thinking goes out the window along with their cash.

#891478 - 04/11/11 12:00 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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DonnaMarilyn, Good luck with Blazetrak. I hope you have a good experience with them and that you feel like it was money well-spent.

Most of what I wrote was just my opinion. But here's the source where I got the only facts I used: the $100-200 fee that most of the big shots charge and the statement that you get a short video in return for the fee you pay.

http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/12/would-you-pay-for-access-blazetrak-hopes-so.html

It really isn't any of my business who uses or doesn't use Blazetrak.



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#891485 - 04/11/11 12:46 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Gotta love the business model here. Let's say you pay $100 for Mr. or Ms.Important to listen to your stuff. They do a five minute listen, and get in front of a webcam to give you a ten minute response. Which, as far as I can tell, gurantees you absolutely nothing. Say they do this for eight hours each day. That's $400 an hour, $ 3,200 a day, or (taking 2 weeks off each year), $160,000 per year. Just to send you a video critiqing your attempts. If they charge $200 an hour, double the above numbers. Since I'm describing a full-time job, when do they find the time to promote your stuff?
Will say I enjoyed their little video, with their logo emblazoned on the tee shirt of a well-endowed young lady. I'll agree with Greg. "This is not for me".
Ott

#891486 - 04/11/11 12:59 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Dan Sullivan]  
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Reading Blazetrack's press release,they are also into Fashion,Sports,Fitness,and MUSIC,amongst numerous other subjects..a little bit of "jack of all trades ...master of none"..Look,it is just another angle to "turn a buck",plying on folks hopes, dreams, and aspirations.The "Genie is out the bottle" in the music biz,A video respone from a "name" big deal!..tell you what bro,for another $300,i will do this or do that,that will prob be the follow up line,we all seem to be forgetting the "GOLDEN RULE"in Songwriting,never pay anyone to listen to your music...no one!...if it is good enough...they will PAY YOU...There are no short cuts in this songwriting business,no quick fix,and no overnight success,it is a craft ,and you hone it and learn it,and if you want to spend some cash,spend it on recording your material,or spend it on a website,don't spend it on someone who is gonna give you a wink and a nod on some video,&say well done,and in the next breath shout....NEXT!...As usual these people work on the old tried and trusted percentage game,if you go out with 20 scrubbing brushes,and chap on 50 doors,you are bound to sell 1 or 2,this works on the same principle,only difference being,they are putting a name to the scrubbing brush.Cheers...Terry...

#891508 - 04/11/11 06:39 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Terry Moore]  
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My general approach to things is to have no expectations one way or the other.
This keeps my blood pressure healthy. grin

I also prefer to go to the source for the facts/answers. wink

Because - and for the first time - I'm simply curious about a particular business model (in this case Blazetrak), I'm willing to risk 50 euros to do the research. Thus, in the same spirit of sharing that Greg displayed in his first post, I'll report back to y'all after testing the waters. smile

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#891511 - 04/11/11 07:33 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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Oh Dear, another pay to play scam. But the problem is, you don't even get to play, you just get a nice message from a "famous" person in return. Can you pay to go to a "really hip and swaggering" parties too ? As buying your way onto a guest list would be considered the bottom of the barrel, so is "please listen to my music, and I'll pay you to do so".

Ever had a job interview ? Did you ever pay the interviewer to interview you ? That's how moronic this kind of nonsense is.

And don't get me started on the bit about the Wall Street Journal. The origional piece is a press rease. It's advertising and nothing more. To say it's journalism, and would even be allowed into the basement of the Wall Street Journal, is misleading at best, fraudulent at worst.

cheers, niteshift

#891512 - 04/11/11 08:07 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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Other threads months ago that were actually about what Blazetrak does and is and the guy Ron was there to ask anything we wanted to know and nobody bothered with it. Now? lol

I joined and made one submission... Why?
I'll tell you then I'll tell you what happened....

1. Well it cost nothing to join, other things I've joined cost me four hundred plus dollars.

2. WHERE else are you sending your music? I know your not supposed to pay others, but others AIN'T ever paying you. Getting solicitation and the open door to submit to the MAJORS is really really really hard. And don't think people don't still pay to get places.

3. Again where? Where & who can you send your songs to?
Like Taxi and other places you have try somethings sometimes to see how it works and if it works for you. It's not a contract at worst it's a one time gamble. Ever gamble $50 bucks?

4. The video response is a guarantee your song was heard, most places you send things don't guarantee anything.

5. I'm good enough, not because I'm special,screw me.. but because I've worked myself dead. If you pick the right person or project to submit to and your stuff is ready then I wanna see who's gonna tell me I'm not. All they can say is it's the wrong project, not what there looking for. But if i research them a little and read the add, I'll know exactly what to send or not to send.
One feedback and I'll know where there at for me.

6. I've spent nearly my ENTIRE life's earning's on my music So $50 $75 or whatever to give my stuff a shot? That's "string money" for guitars.

What happened?

I joined and submitted a killer current ANYBODY can do it song.
I filled out the bio, the people in it could all be working there taking submissions.

I made a great choice match and selection and submitted. It was a $75 submission. They give you a 30 Day money back guarantee on the submission. I waited about 37 days but never got a response. Got my entire $75 back....

I know that these people must be busy, you can NOT have a music career and be very busy. So I did not judge the whole place by the one submission. Because I was cool about it Ron there appreciated that and probably the non bashing lol and gave me some free credits.

So,so far no harm. I will submit again. I will let you guys know what happens as I hope others would as well. I see Donna will fill us in.

Hey we have to try to do stuff with our music so we have stuff to complain about afterwards. smile


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#891520 - 04/11/11 09:06 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Hey Sub,

So you get a critique. And...... ?

Why do you wish to spend $75 on a critique ? Are they promising something more than a video critique. And if so, what ?

If it's a song submission for a particular project, then $75 is very steep for ONE submission for ONE project.

Nothing of this does any harm, ( except for you loosing $75 ) but what good does it do ?

cheers, niteshift

#891525 - 04/11/11 09:14 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Mike, you've summed it up well. smile

I was a TAXI (PLUS paid an extra $150 to be sent Dispatch requests) and NSAI member for a couple of years. Got zilch out of it. Compared to those combined membership fees, $72 (€50 euros) is nothing. NSAI provides 10 "free" critiques as part of the membership, but I found the bulk of them to be largely waffle. And none of the reviewers were au fait with the genre I like to write in.

As I mentioned in a previous post, my main reason for wanting to check Blazetrak out for myself is because much of my material is apparently suited to film/tv/theatre. Hence, I felt it could be interesting to submit a sample to a professional who actually works with this type of thing, and might offer advice.

I'm glad your own experience was - despite no response - relatively positive, and that you'd be willing to submit again. laugh

Anyway, folks, here's the original thread. (I was mistaken when I said the site hadn't been discussed previously.)

http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=876021

Stay tuned. wink

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#891528 - 04/11/11 09:28 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: niteshift]  
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Donna - I did get my entire $75 back, I just added it to the thread.

Nite - Are you kidding? What do you EVER get back sending or giving your song to ANYONE?

What's the score there or anywhere?

Besides If someone isn't completely full of crap, which I'll figure out in no time at all, then I'd believe in and bet alot more than $75 on myself.



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#891532 - 04/11/11 09:51 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Mike Caro Substudio]  
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Did an extensive search and so far plenty people on various sites have used Blazetrak.....so far I have not heard anything positive about getting a result other than a critique.....Has anyone had a placement or sold any music as a direct result of Blazetrak?......I could not find anything.

#891537 - 04/11/11 10:09 AM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Here's another thread on them (short): http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=830977

Here's one as part of another thread: http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=827629

... and another: http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=823870

There might have been more, but that was enough.

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#891598 - 04/11/11 03:22 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Just ponder on this.....they have a business model based on cashing in on the wannabes perpetual chase for recognition, acclaim fame and fortune and the business professionals greed for money.....how can it fail. They will always have a great supply of BOTH and never have to have a end product other than a critique. That IMO is highlly unethical.

Scamming people is bad......BUT usually they realise they have been scammed and adopt a once bitten attitude.
It is worse when they do not realise they have been scammed....they carry on oblivious
It is the pits when they are scammed but are convinced they have not been and actually defend and promote the scammers thinking they are giving a valuable service and a foot in the door to stardom....they will keep coming back for more or till they run out of money.....but no prob there are countless other wannabes to fill their shoes. This whole Blazetrak thing IMO stinks.....why am I the only one who thinks this way.

#891606 - 04/11/11 03:48 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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I have been told this over and over by many people I have talked over the years. Never pay anyone to review your songs!

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#891637 - 04/11/11 05:54 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Petra]  
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Whoa whoa you's need to slow down. smile When I got four songs placed in a movie I did not have to pay the director but I did have to pay for the lead. It was a yearly fee, a subscription just like Taxi.

We do not choose to HAVE to pay for certain leads or opportunities we have NO choice.

Your paying for the contact, if you want try another way, drop everything,alter your life completely, move to Nashville with your obvious outside accent smile and get in a HUGE massive line for ten years or so. See how it goes and if it costs you anything. Or move to NYC get a suit and briefcase and that Songwriters guide book. Go to the addresses in it and see if you can get passed the doorman, & security desk.

Or find the the kinda music lawyer who pitches for you for Free!
There common. smile





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#891642 - 04/11/11 06:03 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Petra]  
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Petra, did you actually read any of Greg's, Mike's, or my posts? smile

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#891649 - 04/11/11 06:52 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: DonnaMarilyn]  
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The real bottom line in all of this is...The Music Business as We Know it (or used to know it)is in Terminal Decline..Good Luck to all you people who want to subscribe to this Company,Let us know the end result,i do hope you are not disappointed,but because of the state of this music industry nowadays,and the mentality of the "shortcut to success ",these two things go hand in hand unfortunately in today's world..QUE!..The opportunists(we won't call them scammers)As far as people listening to your music,there is a big world out there,the days of the record chappies are numbered,target your market,be innovative,and think outside the box,but the downside unfortunately for most folk is..you Need to invest,and i don't mean by sending some 3rd party a 100 bucks to give an opinion,IF , you really believe you can cut it,and believe in yourself,YOU WILL KNOW!..within yourself,but i must add this,you do need persistance,willpower and patience,and the foresight to know where you want your music to take you,but most of all and i really do not like to use this word...LUCK..but it does carry a lot of weight in this business..i know, because i have been lucky a few times,in the respect the right ears heard the right song,but at the end of the day,the song did the talking,being in the right place,at the right time,certainly carries a massive weight as well...Whether i could have got a "result" by sending my songs to an anonymous third party,for an opinion,and then following up by the track being actually recorded and a publishing deal...i tend to think not,but as the old saying goes"you payz your money...you takes your choice"....Cheers...Terry...

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#891651 - 04/11/11 07:17 PM Re: Blaze Trak in the Wall Street Journal [Re: Terry Moore]  
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Hi Terry it's good too see you man...
This is not just in reply to you but for all.

What opinion? It's not a paid for critique only.

Teddy Riley puts a lead or add in with this company, to give us his opinion of our songs? They have specific things. It's not just songs but they're looking for artists, singers, producers, musicians, beatmakers etc...

I'm not defending or representing them but I can't see condemning them either without cause.

Disappointment? Who in there right mind is truly deserving of any opportunity without earning it through disappointment.
It is not up too anybody or any company to pre-determine before you submit anything if you are qualified enough or have paid enough dues. No it is not.

My intention months ago was to try it, then I would write a whole essay on it. They just didn't get to the submission and refunded the money.
It was for a young singer who just had a song on the last Twilight movie soundtrack. My song fit her, and the guy who was looking for it was an older my age musician,producer with a history of successful work. I figured since he wasn't hip hop/rap and comes from the band back ground and live instrument background, He would relate to me & my music.
I even re-did certain aspects of my song so it would fit more submissions.

If Paul Worley the Country Producer who did Song Of The Year Grammy winner Lady Antebelum is taking submission through them. Then what is that saying? Is he a crook? I don't know we should ask MAB he's gotta too know the dude.
Why would he after producing "Song Of The Year" would he need the money?? To waste time on amateur song submissions? Made it for any R&B artist today as well.

DarkChild there has Lagy Gaga! So what does he want? To make more money? Perhaps? And Why not?
Maybe they genuinely want to find some great material and give opportunities and make money.Sound logical to me. They must care about music somewhere or they wouldn't have got where they are.

That's a lot of good questions, I feel worth trying to shed some light on. And I question answers even more than I ask questions.

The old way was hard but I got some where with it.. Liked it better actually. Now I'm older and ill I can't hit the pavement and I can't allow my old self to think and react that way to everything. smile
People have to TRY stuff to learn or get anywhere with there goals. Even if they have to take a little beating to do it or decide not too anymore.

All the best!
Mike


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