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NEW (IMPROVED?) VERSION:
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9973513

No Auto-play: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=587695&songID=9973513

Re-cut vs 1-4 & fully replaced.

Still working.... but I'll leave it this way till some of you kind volunteering axemen get back to me with a guitar-heavy track... and let my vocal cords rest, they're not used to this!

Linda

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Hey guys,

This is a "first draft" kicked out in about 90 min today (all I had avail) - I really liked where it went at the end but I'll be re-cutting it tomorrow, esp the first verses, probably the whole thing.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=751611&songID=9967236

or Auto-play: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9967236
Um. About the end there......... before anybody faints....

I haven't shown anybody the "rock chick" side of my voice before tonight so, be gentle

And don't worry, I drank half-a-gallon of water during those takes and have had plenty of lemon since

Think I can push myself a bit on this one and get something I'm really happy with, with more time & effort.

My big frustration is in finding a track to suit where I want "my" version to go.

Any of you guitarists (I would RATHER a guitar than organ solo... the "Animals'"-esque style isn't my favorite take but all I could drum up today) -- any guitarists/drummers, anybody would like to collab with me on a backing track who "gets" where I'm wanting to go vocally with this and can follow that lead? IE... shred it?

I could hold the note longer at the end too but the music ended.

Please speak up if you'd like to help!
Thanks, mwah. :-*
Love you for-EVAH!!!

This one just does *not* go anywhere dynamically at all......... but... it has the notes & timing, so it's a start!

Linda

But I do like it and seems you were having alot of fun..and oh how funny, the first guy I danced with....I was staying all night with a girl friend and her brother and I danced to this song for about 4 hours that night in their den, it was so hot and we were both sweating but didn't care, we slowed danced and thought we feel in love ..till the next morning..I was so glad to get outta there, but it was fun dancing with him..he was the lead singer too in the band he played in...his name was Donnie and I wanted really to be with the drummer...billy....

How funny how things come to you with the name of a song...and right now i'm listening to you holding that note...

very good my friend...I like you singing this...wheres billy,,..

glyn

Thank you Glyn! I always appreciate when you come in first, I know you'll say something nice!

Funny how some songs do those memory trips to you, isn't it?

FOUR hours on ONE song, wow!!! Musta liked it!!

Whatever happened to Billy.... or Donnie?

Linda

Any sugg for improvement before I head off to redo tomorrow (8 AM Pacific) will be helpful

My critique - watch tone/consistency, remove "H"s on a few vowels and just get STRONGER...


Thanks! If it's not a shoddy day singing-wise tomorrow I should have an improvement to post.... if it is, oh well

Also have to warm up my high register, I'm the lone 1st soprano (yes really) in a Christmas choir performance Sunday, and have to stick on F# - A for almost an entire verse of Joy to the Word. In other news. hahaha. I got volunteered.


Linda

Sorry Lin I tried and tried but cant get anything to load & play from Soundclick.

Good luck, hey did you ever get your studio up and running?

Mike

Linda, both the guys got married and had famiies, but it wasn't the song it was the guy..he was so cute...Donnie was actually cuter, the one I was dancing with...but I had a crush on Billy for a long time but he was older than me and had lots of girls after him all the time....

Hi,

Well this has always beenone of my favorite songs and I just wanted to say..you did it very well.

especially on the BALL & CHAIN verse, you rock !!
good luck with your final version.

Do you happen to sing BALL & CHAIN by Janis Joplin ?

Calvin


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/calvinstewart

I liked the way you kicked it up at the end! This is my favorite singsnap song of yours. BIAB is having their big Christmas sale. Get that and you can use singsnap for testing and then BIAB for your personal more customized versions.
http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.packages.htm

Kevin

How 'bout a screaming harp solo

Really dig your version Linda! I've done unplugged versions before - would be fun to try a rocked up one. Sadly, I'm snowed under at work until Christmas. Haven't even had time to spend here...

If no one else steps up by then and you are still interested, let me know.....

Scott

Good Morning everyone!

Mike -

Oh I am SAD you couldn't get it to load. Tell you what, I'll email it to you, OK? (Bearing in mind this is the "rough" or scratch cut figuring out where I want it to go) I am very curious to have your opinion and happy you're interested in listening.

YES my studio is running, thanks! These vocals are a result. Recorded in the church gym. (Thinking what Led Zep did @Headley Grange I thought I'd look for my own resonant space... my house is acoustically flat everywhere)


Linda

Glyn.............. awwwwww..... I hear a song in that

Calvin!!!!!

Oh thank you, thank you.

It's been a favorite of mine since the first time I heard it (which did *not* register as The Animals', tho that must've been on the radio somewhere).

I'm always happy when someone says "My favorite song" and "Nice Job" in the same sentence.


I haven't tried Janis' "Ball & Chain" .... but I should look up her catalog and practice, hey?


Thanks, I'm so glad you enjoyed it, esp that verse, because I had the MOST fun singing that.

There are four tracks running there on that verse - I was surprised, on the four takes, to hear they were all virtually identical. So I kept them in queued L or R at low volume.

Linda

Kevin,

Yay, another one using the word "Favorite" so far THANK YOU!

I have asked Santa for it, and just updated my list to include that link. Depends on overall budget going around - it will eventually come home.

Meanwhile I still prefer live players if anyone's willing, LOL!

Linda

Scott, thank you - no rush, and I'd be thrilled to have you work on it! Sooner could be nicer, but "done" is better than "soon."


Screaming harp solo....... my fav Led Zep song is "When the Levee Breaks" if that tells you anything .... bring it on!

(that had sort of an odd effect added to it BTW... anybody know how to reproduce that echo?)

Thank you all for your support!

I admit I was more than half-worried I'd get "eh, don't do that dear" tossed back at me -- haha.


Linda

Linda,

Wow, you were really into it at the end.

I think the problem with covers is that you fall victim to the previous singers phrasing and notes, and they don't necessarily match your range and abilites, everyone is different. I think you should step back and listen to the lyrics, I think you can change the way you phrase to make lines better to match your vocal.

You take double hits on words like "Only", you may want to de emphasize that word, or slide on that word...remember you are singing the song, let your vocal add to it.

Oh, you are letting the music rush you at the end, you know where to go with that last line and you go off trying to keep up, I would get that under your belt before you let your vocal loose there, your confidence will send the end sailing home.

I think there are a few places you can work on to really make this your own, but a fun listen..you go girl!!

Tammy

I see and hear you did it Linda, remember we talked about this song before. This was one of a set of songs I used when I sang in a club or two, in the good old days.

I wish I had the time to put together a guitar part for you, but this is a busy time for me. Maybe later. I think your singing was good on this one, but I have heard you sing other things and know that you have more soul to put into it. I am not a voice couch (and can't hear my own voice as well as others), but I think that if you held your higher notes a little longer and varied the pitch in and out or modulated more, it would showcase your voice more and sound less forced. I have heard you do exactly that on other songs.

Thanks for letting us listen. Doug

Hi Linda,

I think you did a fabulous job! I envy you, I guess I'll go practice with my guitar some more!!

Dottie

how much shred do you need? or did you find it?

Thanks Tammy! It was a very rough draft with minimal rehearsal, so as I keep practicing it will only develop more.

I appreciate your vocal coaching as, I know you really know what you're doing when it comes to singing and I'm still pretty much stabbing things in the dark.

Doug, thank you also! Rough draft: and not in a hurry, Scott has offered to help later on as well if no one can do it sooner. I *KNOW* it's Christmas!

Modulation would be very cool on a final draft, yes. As a V-V-V structured song it's easy to let it get boring without a chorus changeup or any key changes.


Hi Dottie, and thank you!!
I'm sure you play guitar better than the one chord I can strum


Hi Coalminer!

I don't have anyone who can shred right away, so please, be my guest if you're willing & available!

How much? Oh somewhere between Joe Perry & Jimmy Page without descending into thrash/heavy heavy metal?

Whatever sounds right to you with the vocal I'm trying to kick out of my throat!

Right now it's 3 verses, lead break, 3 verses. Key changes would be fine up or down half/whole here & there too.

Thank you and I would love to see what any & all of you put together track-wise.

The cool thing here is it's public domain so we can do as we like with it.

Linda

LINDA--

I LOVE THIS OLD SONG--SENT YOU AN EMAIL--

Mackie

Linda, I agree with Scott. Blues harp. I’d let the blues harp player carry the whole lead. (You want a REALLY good blues harp player for this.) I could do guitar, but it’d be deliberately simple—plinks, basically, Alvin Lee style (with the volume turned up to 11 so it’d sustain good), but in the background, complimenting the harp but never getting in the way.

Joe

Chalk up another one for favorite. When I was a yonker I listened to this on the old transistor radio under my pillow at night. Sneaking in some rock and roll to go to sleep with.

Good stuff Linda. I'd like to hear what coalminer hashes out and add a Rickenbacker track to it. Would love it if you could send me the full mix you have and a separate vocal track.

Awesome!

Chap

Linda,

This sounds pretty good for the most part. I applaud you for doing this. You are more brave than me. Besides, if I try to do stuff like this it sounds like two cats mating (or worse). I still remember your version of the Star Spangled Banner.

Thanks Mackie!! Got the email, great listen, thank you! Wrote ya back.

Joe, agreed, it'll want a really great blues harp. Hey anyone have Robert Plant's number by any chance..... ? LOL

I was thinking a mellow start could be cool and with each verse ramp up the emotive delivery until it explodes...


L

Hey Chap,

You're on! Happy to know a Rickenbacker guy (well I'm sure you're not alone here but still) Would love to hear that. Can-do on sending the separate tracks. I am recording in Audacity freeware but am pretty sure I can export a WAV file as well as MP3 (someone help me with that?).

Also this version is the Animals' 6/8 which is all right with me, Mackie's was in 4/4 and that was interesting too. So long as we're all in the same signature & key - hahaha.

THANK YOU mah JPF brothahs here for being so generous and willing with your time to look at laying down some guitar chops for me!



Linda

Wendy!! I miss you thank you so much for coming in and listening. I still remember and love YOUR voice.

YES that is exactly what I was afraid I was sounding like too when I was doing it!! LOL!!

But MAN IT WAS FUN.

Mercy. I am not a morning person: PERIOD: and thinking about going back and working on this more today jazzed me and got me out of bed before the alarm.

That NEVER HAPPENS.

So whether I *should* or not, sound good or awful -- something shifted inside me yesterday that I could feel to my core -- something that said "I'm DOING this!! --and I don't care, I don't need permission from anybody, I don't need approval or anybody to like it, phthththhthttttt."

I just loved singing it.

SO. If I *can* sound good........ I may as well work at it.
I hope what I'm saying there makes sense.
Seriously this was a defining singing moment for me.


............ I did get to re-cut today but not so much as I hoped, the organist was also in the building and I couldn't focus to sing this while she was running through some minor slow choral-ish piece for an hour & a half. The organ wouldn't pick up on my mic (way too far off) but .... shyness took over.
Looking at the new takes now, I doubt it's much improved yet but I'll get there.

Linda

I liked the vox more towards the end. To me, it sounds like you need to open your throat up a little more and push from your diaphram. Hope I spelled that right. Try to experiment with a more straightforward vocal, very little vibrato, and try to sing pushing more from your diaphram, less from the throat. It'll give you more control that way. When you sing like a blues singer, you have to THINK like one! Great job, and nice keys too!

Thanks Polly! Still working it out - def the only way to get the end there IS from the gut - I felt my abs going - I am about to post a "slightly improved" version. Thanks so much for listening and I'm glad you liked the ending, that's the part I felt best about.

Still working on slaying the vibrato
Linda

Oh the keys aren't mine. I wouldn't do this arrangement, it's a track.

OK: NEW (IMPROVED?) VERSION:
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9973513

No Auto-play: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=587695&songID=9973513

The other one's still up but I'll take it down soon, when the thread dies off.

Calling this one "good enough" and will work on it more when all-y'all guitarists get back to me with something.... I am in awe of all the responses so far.

I'll listen to everything ya send me ---
linda AT lindaofficial.net

Also I'm suspicious this version is in G (haven't checked...) and my voice just hits things "funny" in G for no explainable reason - it feels "harder" although the notes are well in my range... so if it is, please, take it to F or A or Eb or, I don't care, whatever you like within a couple steps either way.

Still listening to commentary on the vox, specifics "don't run that melody here" or etc, I am paying attention.


Thank you! I appreciate the warm response, I expected far worse hehe hehe.

Linda

you are so funny....

I still like this and your vocals..maybe it's the memories of the song dancing with donnie, don't know but I closed my eyes and enjoyed it...glyn

Thanks I'm hoping the emotional & lyrical delivery is... better yet not too far over the top.

OK Linda I searched my old data base to see if I could find the guitar tracks for the version of Rising Sun that I developed. I thought maybe you could use them, but all I could find was an mp3 that had the guitar and voice already combined. My 2008-2009 audacity tracks were lost in a computer crash.

Anyway, I put the version I found on soundclick, in case you would like to hear what a different version would sound like with guitar. The guitar is not "shredded" like you were looking for and this take almost sounds like it is on vinyl. It is probably only a little tattered. Your voice would be great for this kind of presentation. See below. Doug

I am editing this post and placing the song in your personal message box. I do not want to bridge my song onto yours.

Doug

Linda, Oddly enough, I'm now reading a book titled "Chasing the Rising Sun," by Ted Anthony. In the book, the author tries to trace the song back to its origin. The earliest known recording of it was made by folklorist John Lomax, who recorded a young woman named Georgia Turner in Middlesboro, Kentucky in 1937.

Turner's version is quite a bit different than the version popularized in the early '60s by Eric Burden of the Animals.

Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15VIDcUMQQI

Wow, that was way cool, Dan! Thanks!

Thank you, Doug! It was beautiful guitar playing.

No need to have edited the post, I didn't mind the link there at all for others to hear!

I'll leave that up to you. But I personally am just fine with it!

Linda

Thanks for posting, Dan! Very cool to hear that.
Listening to Leadbelly's now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbCJtxEFlSA

His is also closer to the Georgia Turner melody.
Interesting all the lyrics differences over time.

Sounds like a good book!

Linda

BTW guys the vocals are updated, if any of you wanted to listen again & comment on that.

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9973513

Thanks!
Linda

This is kinda funny, I wrote a long personal message and you were over here so I guess I missed ya.

Anyway, it might be interesting to post the version I sent you to see if other people think it would be good for your voice or with both of our voices. They might get tired of hearing so many versions of the Rising Sun though.

Doug

Hi

Better, I always liked this song. When i was a child my older brother by 12 years used to play it on guitar and sing it to me or around me all the time. Well maybe it wasn't all the time, but anytime music was around I paid attention

Good work Linda, I think your at your best when you don't push your vocal to hard. This is where the pitch troubles occur and the style starts to compromise with the effectiveness. Pick those spots very carefully.

But I'm glad that your trying to leave the comfort zone and push.
This is the only way to expand and learn and find new things.
But for final product purposes make sure EVERY sing part sounds good and best you can make it. If it's a problem loose it. But always save these mixes for yourself to enjoy and hear the changes as you develop.

All the best
Mike

Hi Doug, yes we're crossing in the mail but I'm catching it!


L

Hi Mike,

Thanks!!!

Thanks also for understanding me... this was a major act of courage just to SING it this way - how I wanted to inside - much less with the record light going - much less toss it up here and cringe and see if everybody hated it or not.

But it wound up THE MOST FUN I've had singing....... so I learned stuff about myself I didn't know.

And for understanding it's a draft and definitely not a final, not anything I'm shopping around to anywhere!

The other day I spontaneously sang a Christmas song and this HUGE big loud voice came out from, I don't know where, bigger volume than I ever kicked out in my life and without any effort.

I couldn't catch it and get it on tape (busy) but it was the strangest thing. Something is happening. I don't know what.
Something.
Hm.

Linda

You're welcome Linda...

There's another thread about Lyricist playing music. Also about trying and failing. You are a person I admire for doing so many different things. Always trying, being positive and helpful and genuine.

Never change that.

Mike

You are getting good feedback Linda.

Mike must be back to full energy. I see him everywhere. I think he is right about pushing too far with the voice, since with yours, you could lose the smoky character of it, but you gotta push far enough!

I decided to put the version I shared with you, on here, so if someone thought it would match your voice they could say it - or not.
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9985820

I am going to try to pull out the guitar part today. It won't be in 6/8 tune though and it may have to be pitch adjusted. My lyrics that go with it are on soundclick too. Doug

Great song and you do it well... I can hear your heart in it. The pace is good - it pushes forward, which is what this song needs.

Tom

OK Linda the link below is how the vocal fits with the guitar tracks that I put together for you today, for a folksy version.
I will be sending an mp3 of the guitar only to your email.
Hope you can match the lyrics and vocal to the music. This is the best I can do, cause I gotta do some other stuff now.
Doug

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9989423

THANK YOU SO VERY VERY MUCH DOUG!!
I'll get to work on this next week. We have company coming in so there is cleaning and decorating and shopping to do above & beyond the music.

Tom, thank you, such nice comments!
L

Yes, I read that thread. Good stuff.

I admit I was dumbfounded somewhat to hear you say *you* admire *me* for something. Wow. Thank you. That means a lot to me.

Yeah, I don't plan on changing, I've always been this way.

...I can and do get discouraged here and there, but I keep getting back up and trying again or trying something else.


Linda

Linda, this is BETTER! You know what I think would benefit you in your quest to sing rock? Trying to study Ann Wilson from Heart as much as you can. She also has a high register, and uses a lot of "head voice" to get her notes across strongly and with little vibrato. You're definitely on the right track! Robert Plant was also one of Ann's idols.