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#849394 - 10/08/10 05:22 PM Difference in Duplication / Replication  
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If I burn a CD, even at reasonably slow speed, it will skip when played in my late model Nissan truck. That won't cut it for selling cd's. Does replication solve the skipping? Are all short-runs duplication method?

#849420 - 10/08/10 07:50 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: DukeWill]  
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Duke, will that CD skip on someone else's cd player could your CD burner/software be an issue. Check out the hardware. I've used my cd burner for backing tracks an not had this problem on any player.
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#849429 - 10/08/10 08:31 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Wyndham]  
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Hi Duke.

The older disks were less fine (if that makes sense) they were not high speed and could be read by anything, but the newer media can have problems.

I suggest that you look for 16 speed media and burn it at 8 speed.

If you are using high speed media (some players have problems.
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#849481 - 10/09/10 03:10 AM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Roy Cooper]  
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Bill:

What equipment and software are you using to burn the CD? The last time we talked, you were using Krystal. I'm assuming you are creating MP3's? I use Nero and let it convert the CD to an MP3 which will reportedly play on just about any newer player... and I usually try the final product on about three players to confirm the CD works fine in all of them. How late is the model truck? It seems like all the newer models have front loading players that will play quite well in the Nero MP3 format but many older players (whether stand alone units or automobile players) seem to have trouble with newer CD software.

Backward compatability (new media on older players) is usually a problem one way or another.

I hope this helps. I'm also assuming you are not using music CDs. Plain CD-R media 700MB/80Minutes usually work fine.

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#849509 - 10/09/10 08:36 AM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Dave Rice (D)]  
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Dave, I have more than one program that will burn CD's. I use Kristal for tweaking a recording but not burning. I will try one of the other one and see if it could be that software. But, this has occurred in the past with other software, so, it's not a new problem. I was curious if going commercial, even if they use duplication (which I assume is nothing more than burning), solves this. And, if all short runs use duplication. And if replication solves this. Of course, replication probably isn't used for short runs.

#849549 - 10/09/10 01:48 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: DukeWill]  
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Do commercially produced CDs that you have also skip in the truck? Or just the ones you burn?

I had that problem too - went away when I traded in the truck....

But in my case, commercial CDs were as likely to skip as the ones I burned. Was the player in other words, not the CDs.....

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#849551 - 10/09/10 02:05 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Scott Campbell]  
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It's not the truck, it plays others fine. And my truck is not the first time this has happened, it's not that unusual for burned Cd's to do this.

#849562 - 10/09/10 04:17 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: DukeWill]  
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Interesting
I have dozens of burned CD's and only had a problem when the truck had been sitting out all night in sub freezing weather. Once it warmed up they play fine.
Only time I ever experienced trouble was years ago using Nero. I never could get it right. But the ones I burn now are fine. Mostly I burn them right from media player.
I burned 50 copies of my CD and have never had one returned because it did not play. I did include a guarantee to anyone who had one if it failed I would replace it.
I always burn as a wav. file Unless it is just for checking the song or someone asks for MP3.

Short runs are usually burned. It is too expensive to make a glass master for short runs.

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#849630 - 10/09/10 10:37 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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One more question before I accept that it's the homegrown burning causing the problem.....

Are you using stick-on labels on the CDs?

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#849667 - 10/10/10 04:22 AM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Scott Campbell]  
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#849707 - 10/10/10 12:07 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Doug/Liszt Laughing]  
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No, not a stick on label, no label at all.

A few years ago, a friend had a Dodge truck and he complained about this skipping. Mine is a 2008 Nissan Titan. I've had others complain about CD's that I burned for them but those did have a label. I don't use stick on labels anymore.

#849713 - 10/10/10 01:09 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: DukeWill]  
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To answer your original question, if you get cd's replicated (for example at Discmakers), they make the cd's just like regular commercial cd's. They make a master mold and press the cd's from the mold. They don't burn them. Some cd's players are fussy about playing duplicated (burned) cd's. Getting them replicated solves that problem.

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#849714 - 10/10/10 01:10 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Tom Shea]  
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By the way, if you do get your cd replicated, I highly recommend Discmakers. They are an extraordinary company to work with.

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#849722 - 10/10/10 02:45 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Tom Shea]  
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Maybe it IS the burning then.....

Tom: Will Discmakers press (rather than burn) CD's even with a short run? Or is there a minimum order before they'll press them?

Scott

#850233 - 10/12/10 06:12 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Scott Campbell]  
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I had a similar problem with the CD player in my Renault Grand Scenic car.....turns out it did the same "INTERMITTENT THING" with all makes and types of CD some would play others would not.....I insisted that the garage who supplied the car put in a new CD player and never had the prob again. Sometimes players had a dodgy laser or decoder. Sometimes the PC reader/burner can occasionally kick out a dodgy disc...like anything they need regular servicing or need cleaned or replaced eventually.

#850249 - 10/12/10 07:38 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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I wonder about the quality of the CD's
When I first started burning CD's I was using off the shelf whatever they had in the store.
I do recall a few problems with skipping or some not playing at all.
I now buy my CD's from Dikcmakers.
I have not had any problems with them.


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#850253 - 10/12/10 07:55 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Modern discs are all pretty reliable regardless of make.....at one time some of the generic discs were iffy.Not so much now. I rarely have rejects and use a lot of discs.

#850452 - 10/13/10 01:48 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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The key, I think, in duplicating CDs using a computer burner is the speed. I've found the best success came with burning at the slowest burn rate that you can. I use K3B and burn at 4X, the slowest I can burn. The issue is the time it takes to burn multiple copies.
If you're going to do a lot of your own burning over a period of time you might have a look at the stand alone duplicators for your own use. They retail from about $250.00 and up and a number of burning bays can be added so multiple CDs can be burned at one time.

#850458 - 10/13/10 02:27 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: DakLander]  
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I have a ten year old van/CD player and it rarely will play a burned CD at all. It always plays replicated CDs without a problem. I am uncertain whether the issue is mechanical (the CD is more difficult for the laser to read) or formatting. I have tried various CDs in the burning process including "music CDs" which I think are the same as any other besides the name and price. The player just does not like burned CDs.....including the short-run CDs form Discmakers.

All of the other players I have (stereo, new car, jambox, computers, etc.) play them fine. Eventually, the old players that don't work will end up in the junkyard.


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#850858 - 10/15/10 12:42 PM Re: Difference in Duplication / Replication [Re: Colin Ward]  
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When you burn a cd, the laser actually burns pits in the cd. When a cd is duplicated, the pits are molded in. The molded pits are better than the burned pits. These pits are very tiny.

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