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Hi Mike

Oh GOLLY GOSH, 75%, that's a little too STEEP, shocked how about 25%, LOL. laugh

DEAL OR NO DEAL. tongue

I can't stop laughing, I'm supposed to go to sleep yah know. smile

Okay I'm going to bed now.

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Originally Posted by Mike Caro Substudio
Originally Posted by Michele Bolton
[b]Michele Bolton

Okay, now things are becoming serious, and now that your pitching "Don't Push My Button", can you tell me what your Cut is?????


Michele


Well since your a completely unknown writer we'll be robbing you,,, I mean asking for 75% of the Publishing!

Take it or leave it...

Oh Boy, and they say the hardest part is getting there LOL

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Hi: My last entry must of gotten lost in the mail, I found it in the dead letter section on page three, or did you miss it by accident??? I hope not on purpose.LOL


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Mike,

I thought you were nice with the 75%. Most Nashville publishers want 100% of the publishing unless you are a recognised songwriter. Good luck with your pitch. Reba is great.


Have a goodun,

John W. Selleck BMI Songwriter
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Hi Mike -- Kind of late to the fun here.... but I have been following ; ) Thanks for the whole thread and effort !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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'I'm There For You' - CD single track enclosed
Artist Joice Marie
12/14/09

Dear Mr Knowitall

Thank you for the opportunity to submit my song for consideration. Your credentials as an innovative publisher of quality, cutting edge material speaks for itself, so I am honored and thrilled to submit this new work for your consideration.
I am a performing, singer song writer though relatively unknown to the mainstream market. I would love to work with your company as I build my catalogue of contemporary music.

Knowing that the music industry is a very tough market to enter, I would consider a publishing contract that would pitch my songs to other upcoming artists as I continue to write and develop my own fan base. I am open also to co- writing with up coming artist who share similar styles. My current catalogue is quite diverse, including, pop, lite-rock, folk, blues, and alternative music.

The enclosed pop song 'I'm There For You' is a home studio production. I am considering a full demo production for this song, so I am currently performing and testing the performance aspect with my local fan base and the response has been quite positive.

Please consider this submission with respect to your current needs and marketing opportunities. Looking forward to your response.

Sincerely
Joice Marie / Singer /Songwriter



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Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Mike,

I thought you were nice with the 75%. Most Nashville publishers want 100% of the publishing unless you are a recognised songwriter. Good luck with your pitch. Reba is great.


Hi John

Mike and You will have to explain what a publisher does to earn 100% of an unrecognized songwriter. crazy A Nashville publisher shouldn't earn 100% because the songwriter isn't recognized yet, what's that got to do with it. crazy

So please explain.

What do I earn being the songwriter??
What does my producer earn for his take on the music??
What does my publisher Mike Caro earn??
What does the Artist earn??

If Reba recorded "Don't push my button" and their was 30 million copies sold, what would I earn out of those 30 million copies sold, what would all the others earn???

Okay, how about Mike 50% goes to you, but out of your 50%, 10% of your 50% goes to Mental Health, smile and I'll do the same, that means will both end up with 40%, and Mental Health will earn 20% VERY WORTHY CAUSE! grin or 45% & 5% to Mental Health. smile

I DRIVE A HARD BARGAIN! smile Even though I think Mike is worth 100%. whistle

hugs Michele

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Hey Mike:

Might as well jump in here with my one and so far only demo. It is titled "Jeannie(I Didn't Mean to Hurt You)". It is a straight up country ballad, an attempt to put some of the soul back into country music, which I feel has been largely lost.


http://soundclick.com/brianbeecher


JEANNIE (I DIDNíT MEAN TO HURT YOU)

c2009 Brian Beecher


Itís four in the morning
And no matter how I try I cannot sleep
My heart is hurting
And my head is sore and my eyes gently weep

Tuning in to what I said
To you that day is coming back to haunt me
Healing will be hard until
The day when I can say all this to you

Having to pay the price for it
Is something that I just canít bear the thought of
Trying to have the confidence
And energy I need to pull me through
Oh, Jeannie, I didnít mean to hurt you
But I didnít know what else to do

Trying to make it up to you
Is so essential for my peace of mind
Hoping it would turn out well
Before another heartbreak I may find

Overcoming obstacles is
Necessary for me to start healing
I donít want to go through life
Still thinking that Iím just a crazy fool

I donít know whatís on your mind
I only know the way that I am feeling
But yesterdayís influences continue
Can I make it up to you
Oh, Jeannie, I didnít mean to hurt you
But I didnít know what else to do






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Originally Posted by Everett Adams

Thanks Mike for you kind words. I know the sound is dated and would never fit into todays country sound (as is THIS ANNIVERSARY
YEAR) but the content is never dated when wishing loved ones a greeting for special occasions. I appreciate your time in listening.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8447908






THIS ANNIVERSARY YEAR.

BLACK AND WHITE IVORY WEAVING IT'S MAGIC, NOTE BY NOTE

CANDLE LIGHT AND WINE GIVES A WARM GLOW TO THE LOVE SONG I WROTE

THE SCENT OF ROSES AND THE HINT OF PERFUME JUST PERMEATES THE AIR

CELEBRATING THE TIME THAT YOU BECAME MINE, ON THIS ANNIVERSARY YEAR
CHORUS

I'VE OFTEN WONDERED WHO BLESSED MY LIFE THE DAY THAT I FOUND YOU

WHEN YOU CONSENTED TO BECOME MY WIFE, ALL THINGS BECAME BRAND NEW

THE SUN SHONE BRIGHTER, THE CLOUDS WERE WHITER, THE SKY A DIFFERENT BLUE

AND I COULD SWEAR THAT I COULD HEAR ANGELS SINGING TO YOU


THE BOW AND THE STRINGS ROMANTICALLY SINGS MELLOW TONES

BRINGS BACK MEMORIES OF PLEASURES PAST, THAT TOGETHER WE'VE KNOWN

THE CHILDREN WE RAISED AND OUR GOD THAT WE PRAISED, JUST ADDED TO OUR BLISS

STILL NOTHING COMPARES TO THESE GOLDEN YEARS AND THIS ANNIVERSARY KISS
REPEAT CHORUS
TAG: YES ANGELS SINGING TO YOU
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY LOVE AND MANY MORE
(c) Everett Adams



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Sorry I missed this one, I can't believe I only missed one so far,this thread is not easy to follow.

I thought this song was much more contemporary overall than the last song. It was very well written arranged and produced.
Pretty and effective, perfect Anniversary song.

We get loads of songs all the time.
Certain songs are just good songs, there is no debate or denying that. Others are not nearly as well crafted. But either way the writers need know what they are sending and to who.

Thanks
Sublevel Music NYC


Thanks!
Peace Mike
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Originally Posted by Michele Bolton
Originally Posted by John W. Selleck
Mike,

I thought you were nice with the 75%. Most Nashville publishers want 100% of the publishing unless you are a recognised songwriter. Good luck with your pitch. Reba is great.


Hi John

Mike and You will have to explain what a publisher does to earn 100% of an unrecognized songwriter. crazy A Nashville publisher shouldn't earn 100% because the songwriter isn't recognized yet, what's that got to do with it. crazy

So please explain.

What do I earn being the songwriter??
What does my producer earn for his take on the music??
What does my publisher Mike Caro earn??
What does the Artist earn??

If Reba recorded "Don't push my button" and their was 30 million copies sold, what would I earn out of those 30 million copies sold, what would all the others earn???

Okay, how about Mike 50% goes to you, but out of your 50%, 10% of your 50% goes to Mental Health, smile and I'll do the same, that means will both end up with 40%, and Mental Health will earn 20% VERY WORTHY CAUSE! grin or 45% & 5% to Mental Health. smile

I DRIVE A HARD BARGAIN! smile Even though I think Mike is worth 100%. whistle

hugs Michele



Hi Michele

Good question for the Mentor Board

What do I earn? What is my cut?

If you an artist did do your song and sold 10 million even, 30 mill is out these days lol...

What would you make about?

I have no idea. ALL I KNOW is what it costs us, and that is EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!


Thanks!
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Dear Mr. Knowitall:

How many times have you woken up next to your significant other and had her (or him) say, "You jerk! How could you DO that?"

She (or he) is blaming you for something that you did in their dream!

Only happened to you once or twice? - well that's enough! It's happened to most folks so I think many would relate to a song about it - especially if it's an uptempo country rocker that would give them a laugh. It might even diffuse a tense situation so an artist who recorded such a song might even save a few lives!

With that in mind, I humbly submit "I'm not to blame (for what I do in your dreams)". I realize the music to this might sound a little dated so I hope you can hear past that and imagine it being given a more modern treatment by one of your current artists.

Please let me know if you have any interest in plugging this song to one of them. I'll give a link to the song below and also provide the lyric. Let's have some fun and save some lives!

Regards,
Scott Campbell



I'm not to blame (for what I do in your dreams):

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=377550&songID=6715872


Iím not to blame (for what I do in your dreams)
(c) 2008 by S.W. Campbell

I woke up one night to a slap on the back of my head
My Baby said, ďTry that again and youíll wake up deadĒ
I sputtered, ďWho, what or where do you think Iíve been?Ē
She said, ďI dreamed you came home three sheets to the wind
And tried to get a three-way going with me and my best friendĒ

Now, Honey Iím just an average guy
And sometimes things slide through my mind
If I ever slip up Baby, well Iíll take the heat
But girl, Iím not to blame for what I do in your dreams

One morning last week my eggs were chilled and my grapefruit was fried
My coffee was cold but not as cold as my Babyís eyes
She said, ďI dreamed you quit your job without telling me
And spent the last week down in New Orleans
Filming Girls Gone Wild in some dive down on Bourbon Street

Now, Honey Iím just an average guy
And sometimes things slide through my mind
If I ever slip up Baby, well Iíll take the heat
But girl, Iím not to blame for what I do in your dreams

Then last night my Baby woke me up with a smile
She said, ďThatís the nicest thing youíve done for me in awhileĒ
I almost said ďWell Baby, it was in your headĒ
But I grinned, said ďShucksĒ, and laid back on the bed

Now, Honey Iím just an average guy
But even in your dreams sometimes Iíll get it right
Iím not about to turn my back on a special treat
If Iím gonna take the blame for what I do in your dreams

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Hi Mike,

I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU once again for spending your time and energy on this thread. It is greatly appreciated. You rock! smile

Ricki

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Mike you rock
Mike you roll
Thanks for the thread
You blessed soul!!! smile



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I agree with the others, thanks so much for starting this thread Mike, so much fun. whistle

Now that your my PUBLISHER, hows 50/50 sound hah? wink

Have you spoken to DOLLY, TANYA, OR REBA YET???LOL. laugh

Your a real CHAMP Mike, see you round the boards, big hugs.

I found that song of Reba's & Kelly Clarkson, very powerful song, here's the link, it's called "Because of You".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-X29E4dR1Y



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Thanks Mike, story of my life, good but never great, early but too late, always the best man but never the groom. Sigh.


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May the flowers of love forever bloom in your garden of life

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There are songwriter's fees and publishers fees. When you write a song you own 100% of both. What publishers do is push your songs to artists, films, TV etc. You, or they, don't earn a penny if the song never gets used. A lot of people don't have the time, knowledge, or connections to be their own publisher. When you are first starting, it is very common to give up 100% of the publishing to someone you believe can get your song signed. Once you get a name as a songwriter you can bargain for percentages. There is a lot more involved in this and the best way to learn is to read. Jason Blume had a good one called "The Business Of Songwriting". I read it a couple of times and it gives you a pretty good handle on how everything works.


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Just a quick note to say thank you my friend for you kindness in doing this for all of us. This was a great exercise

Dan


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Dear Mr. Knowitall,

In response to your post regarding song submissions, I am submitting a link and lyrics to an uptempo country song for your review. It is a professional instrumental track with a scratch vocal.

I am interested in a publishing, production and/or record deal as a country artist. I am a high-energy performer whose lyrics fall squarely in the country genre but lean toward pop-rock in production.

Thank you for the opportunity to submit to Sublevel Music NYC. I will contact you in two weeks time if I have not heard from you prior.

All the best,

Ricky Harris


(Thanks Mike for this entertaining exercise.)


http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8486216

A GIRL IN A TRUCK


Sheís rumblin' through town and turnin' heads
Her pickupís mudded up, bumper to bed
The boys come runnin', like moths to a flame
They know that girl's got everything

CHORUS
She's smart, she's sexy, feisty and fun
An angel, and devil, wrapped up in one
She's tough, she's tender, courageous and kind
With a pretty little smile that'll blow your mind
Flies through mud and never gets stuck
There's nothin' in the world like A GIRL IN A TRUCK
There's nothin' in the world like A GIRL IN A TRUCK (2nd and 3rd chorus only)


It's rodeo then dancin' all night long
Don't need a dance floor just a country song
She climbs up in the bed, and starts to twirl
Ain't no doubt she can rock your world

(Repeat CHORUS)


BRIDGE
Love, respect and treat her right and she'll forever be your gal
But raise your hand or your voice and that girl'll lay you out


(Repeat CHORUS)


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Dear Mr. Knowitall,

Your time is valuable, I know and it is greatly appreciated. Perhaps there will be a song in our future.
Again, thank you.

All my best,

Brenda McBryde

P.S. Mike, this is fun and thank you. Oh boy, this thread is going to keep you busy for a long long time. Take care and I hope you have a very Happy Holidays and the BEST New Year yet!!

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Originally Posted by Mike Caro Substudio
Originally Posted by JamesDF5
Dear Mike,

I would like to present to you LET IT GO by James Fitzgerald & Tim Widdup of 'Jam Time Music' from London England.

'Let It Go' is about the daily struggle that people face when aspiring towards their goals. Just Let what is holding you back go & take your chance.

Please enjoy the song. Any feedback is very welcomed.

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LET IT GO

What I'm meant to be
Only I can see
Now I understand
What it is & who I am
I don't wanna be
Something to take or leave
And if I wait for life will it wait for me, will I live at all

Let it go let it go if you wanna be free
Everyday everyday you can let the world see
Yeah i know yeah i know that it wont be easy
So here we go

Fear is the enemy
It makes you believe
That you cannot be what you wanted to be

Let it go let it go if you wanna be free
Everyday everyday you can let the world see
Yeah i know yeah i know that it wont be easy
So here we go

What I'm meant to be
Only I can see
Now I understand
What it is & who I am
Every time you're on your own
You can feel your not alone
And you might as well believe
You can let it go

Let it go let it go if you wanna be free
Everyday everyday you can let the world see
Yeah i know yeah i know that it wont be easy
So here we go
Let it go let it go if you wanna be free
Everyday everyday you can let the world see
Yeah i know yeah i know that it wont be easy
So here we go

What im meant to be
Only I can see
Now i understand
What it is & who i am



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Dear James,

Thanks for submitting. Listened to "Let It Go"
It gives me great pleasure to say Congratulations and welcome
to the Sublevel Music family. We would like to accept this song
and are open to hearing more.

Taking a closer look at what you have here. Your situation is something that is near to my heart in that you have a song that sounds like you are the artist/band. Not sure you aren't a band but you write like one. So pitching a song like this to another band is very very difficult,nobody takes songs anymore. Although on my label I'm not so close minded to ignore the past and best way to go about getting music out.

I would let another band on my label do an OUTSIDE song. It gives them much greater depth and longevity. And a better CD instead of just a one song 99 cent download.

Now what I'm thinking is making your production recording of this song sound the best it can, perhaps re-master or re-mix re-master. We would pay for all of that of course.
And shopping it as is.
In the song itself I found it to be flat out catchy and memorable. This song works in so many movies or TV shows period.
You can feel the scenes just from listening to song without the visual. That's what good universal songs do!

The song is good in all the most important regards. It feels great. It is catchy,with wonderful melodies. The lyric are NEVER
awkward the words all sing so easily. They are also universal in they do not get over specific. So when this is playing behind a scene of a show or movie it's gonna work, I know it for a fact.
Great rhythm also with accents.
It has a GREAT arrangement and sounds current.

I found it very interesting that your verse was altered in the second verse, the short one to the chorus was very very effective. Was was unusual also was your bridge was the first verse repeated lyrically. I have never seen that before. The bridge music was wonderful, wouldn't have minded a switch of lines there just to enhance it even more,but it still worked.
When the whole package is right, you can get away with a lot more
stuff lol.

Loved the second verse melody. And the chorus is a winner.
Great tag, section as well. You knew how to make an exit.

Again, if this was the "All American Rejects" doing this song, it's on the radio and on TV with them performing it and there fans buying it. We can never get them to do it... So I suggest being prepared best we can to do it ourselves. Also keep in mind once you have something other opportunities present themselves.

But it's a pitch for serious prime time TV and film opps.
I'm so thrilled to share in this rewarding feeling of getting something accomplished with hard work & love of music behind it.
Again Congratulations,

Will be in touch
Sincerely
Mr Knowitall
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Dear Mr Knowitall,

Tim & I are delighted to be part of the Sublevel family. We are so pleased that you enjoyed Let It Go. Thank you very much for the great review of the song & we look forward to speaking with you in further detail.

Kindest Regards

James


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Hi

Sorry for dropping the ball with this and on the last day too smile
I got burned out after the 43rd review.

Hopefully I can get to the rest soon. I also thought it important to just keep the great discussions in general open here.

I have always kinda opened myself up here over the years as I don't know any better way of dragging you's into my world.
I know SO many folks don't get to commit there entire life to there music and often wonder what could and might happen if they did or do. Of course EVERYONE is different and crazy and unique stuff happens to different people everyday.

But much of the experiences are the same at the core.

So I wanted to share some of MY MANY personal rejection letters
with you here. In the beginning from 1984 to 1987 they came from direct word of mouth. Our band manager would come back from meetings and give us the news. We myself included of course were much much closer to great success when we were young and in a band, The Artist's....

I'm always mentioning that here and in many threads, because it's true, you get looked at differently when you are the band or artist and not the sole songwriter looking or a cut.
And a Band or Artist does NOT have it easy by any means, but they get a LOAD OF LEEWAY when it comes to songwriting. This is a FACT! I know this not only cause it's true but I seen it first hand.

So by 1990 I was removed from bands and had letters coming back instead of spoken messages. Neil who I often refer to was our band manger since I was 19 now still to this day drives me to the doctors to find me help. He is also a co-producer on projects with me and often the first person who hears any songs or ideas from me. He is a non musician, has a great ear and THINKS and talks just like A&R people do.

Imagine, and think back what were you doing musically in 1990?
Well I was getting knocked all over the place LOL... But I loved it.

Okay I got this letter back in 1990 and removed some of the personal info after scanning it to share it here. I did NOT fret but instead framed it and hung it on my studio wall as an inspiration and constant reminder to pursue harder and be better!!

I have always felt extremely fortunate and slightly unfortunate (I'll explain later) to have this BIG a door open to me for 28 years

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Man, I would love to have a reject letter signed by Clive... smile


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Originally Posted by Louis
Man, I would love to have a reject letter signed by Clive... smile


Louis if he listened to Country style songs I would send him our
"This Old Quilt" song and then you'd have your rejection letter smile



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Okay lets take a deeper look at this.

Reply Rejection Letter
http://www.substudiomusic.com/letterone.jpg

I AGREE with the letter 100% although in the late 80's an early 90's dance music was really getting hot. I remember it well. and also artist like Taylor Dane and Stacey Q Rick Ashely and a bunch of others were all over the place.

On this song "Leave Your Love Behind"

1- Did I write something that was not commercial and popular at the time?

2- Was my song catchy all over the place? Hooks?

3- Were the lyrics suitable to the style?

4- Was the singer any good? And contemporary for the time?

5- How was the demo presentation? How well did it sound and performed?

6- Any lags or snags in the arrangement?

Okay lets LISTEN to my song and go back to these questions.

Leave Your Love Behind © Caro/Paris
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You know it's hard living everyday
When the one you love takes there love away
And this love was one in million
He gave me everything he could have given

Now I got to face the facts it ain't never coming back
The time is right to get on with my life
You wanted me too change but I'm gonna stay the same
And there's nothing you can say

I don't wanna talk about it'
I don't wanna think about
This time I'm gonna leave your love behind
I don't wanna change my ways
This time I'm gonna leave your love behind

You told me why you had to be alone
We have to try to make it on our own
With all my heart you are forgiven
I don't want you back
I just want to start living

I don't wanna talk about it
I don't wanna think about
This time I'm gonna leave your love behind
I don't wanna change my ways
This time I'm gonna leave your love behind

Solo

I don't wanna talk about it
I don't wanna think about
This time I'm gonna leave your love behind
I don't wanna change my ways
This time I'm gonna leave your love behind

I don't wanna talk about it
I don't wanna think about it
I don't wanna talk about it
I don't wanna think about it


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I didn't listen to music in the 80's. smile really... but this sounds like a solid dance tune that could've come in at the end of the disco era. Yeah I had some of those shoes with Big Heels smile


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Hi Mike.Hope all is well.God bless you!Just finished this song.The basic tracks were done in Nashville.

http://www.mjmrecords.com/media/NashvilleSessions/01%20Living%20A%20Dream%20(Nashville).mp3

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Originally Posted by Louis
I didn't listen to music in the 80's. smile really... but this sounds like a solid dance tune that could've come in at the end of the disco era. Yeah I had some of those shoes with Big Heels smile


I Louis, well it looks like it's only you and me on this subject smile

All I did was play music, go to concerts and shows, and listen to music in the 80's smile

The disco era ended pretty much by 1978 smile



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Lets address number # 3 since that was Clive's main issue with the song.

Okay I'll be the first to say they are not earth shattering lyrics no "Cats In The Cradle" But are they right for the music?
Were all the other HITS the labels were putting out loaded with better more substantial words?

Lets see... here are some lyrics from the BIG hits of that time period in this genre.

BIG BIG hit song lyrics

I got this feeling that you're going to stay
I never knew that it could happen this way
Before I met you I was falling apart


I guess they really want a love like yours and mine
together forever
I never thought that I could ever be this happy
yeah baby



If they ever get you down
There's always something I can do
Because I wouldn't ever wanna see you frown
I'll always do what's best for you


And I'll always love you
You must know how much I do.
You can count on me forever and
I will take good care of you.
I'll always love you
I'm so happy that you're mine
I'll always love you, yes
Till the end of time


Hmmm I don't see it do you? smile
So once again a record label or publisher can TALK about one thing and DO another.

Nope I'm not convinced any of these hit song lyrics are any better at all.

#3 I think the lyrics fit the style perfectly. I will say it would be nice if they had a bigger break through fresh perspective/theme say like. "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" "Like A Virgin"
But the many many other more dance hits of the later part of the decade weren't like those either.

This also shows you yet again that your best chance is with something very new and fresh, original and unique. WE can't count on just being as good,equal too what is on the radio most of the time.

Speaking of Taylor Dane and this subject we had a different song the year before played on a Philly Radio station for a few weeks. Same singer as the artist. The station sent our indie record label a chart/poll with a letter saying they had been getting lots of request for our song. The chart had us THIRD overall and ahead of Taylor Dane even. Another big song was on that chart called "Pump Up The Jam"

So I'll answer these questions since Louis didn't listen to music in the 1980's smile

#1 - Yes this style was all over the radio at the time. I made the adjustment from my ROCK and Acoustic Rock styled songs over to an R&B dance style. I love that style anyway so it easy for me to find my soul in any music. Also the production was not out of hand yet at the time smile

#2 - I felt the background vocals were almost as catchy as the lead. especially the "I don't want to talk about, think about it" lines. Easy to follow verse and catchy chorus. perhaps the singer who could belt should have gotten to it sooner on the choruses.

#3 - answered that above

#4 - The singer Stacy 19- 20 years old at the time was totally contemporary.
Not only in vocal but in image as well. She did have a very short career. But she could rock out as well as be soulful. She had pipes as you can obviously hear on this demo. No problem there.

#5 - I had no problem with the sound, I actually like it a lot. It is bass heavy which is VERY important in clubs. You are hearing a mixdown from CASSETTE so bear that in mind. The lead I did was a bit thin, they weren't use to tracking guitars of this type and we had no amp either. Just a pedal to the board.
This is a very solid recording. Just shy perhaps of releasable
material...

#6 - Arrangement well the lenght is perfect 3:30

Great drop down in the second verse, very effective. Did not have to wait for the chorus or feel like you were waiting and the verse was smooth and catchy.

Big contrast in verse and chorus.. ending chorus with the multi background counter points were a big boost.

A bridge in this case may have helped instead of a solo, just to shoot off one more musical change and additional lines.

This was gonna be one of those cases were we were gonna need a break on a song. We had been paying our dues with this label for six years at this point. Even though the song was far more suitable and better in many regards we were close with our band six years earlier.

Geez much to think about going back to the drawing board smile


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Originally Posted by beechnut79
Hey Mike:

Might as well jump in here with my one and so far only demo. It is titled "Jeannie(I Didn't Mean to Hurt You)". It is a straight up country ballad, an attempt to put some of the soul back into country music, which I feel has been largely lost.


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JEANNIE (I DIDNíT MEAN TO HURT YOU)

c2009 Brian Beecher


Itís four in the morning
And no matter how I try I cannot sleep
My heart is hurting
And my head is sore and my eyes gently weep

Tuning in to what I said
To you that day is coming back to haunt me
Healing will be hard until
The day when I can say all this to you

Having to pay the price for it
Is something that I just canít bear the thought of
Trying to have the confidence
And energy I need to pull me through
Oh, Jeannie, I didnít mean to hurt you
But I didnít know what else to do

Trying to make it up to you
Is so essential for my peace of mind
Hoping it would turn out well
Before another heartbreak I may find

Overcoming obstacles is
Necessary for me to start healing
I donít want to go through life
Still thinking that Iím just a crazy fool

I donít know whatís on your mind
I only know the way that I am feeling
But yesterdayís influences continue
Can I make it up to you
Oh, Jeannie, I didnít mean to hurt you
But I didnít know what else to do




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Brian,

Listened to "JEANNIE (I DIDNíT MEAN TO HURT YOU) and feel you definitely have the soul and the heart happening totally. Unfortunately what you don't have is a hit song.
Great feel and good potential in this, however the lyric just doesn't come across universally enough. Specific name songs don't help that and once in while you'll hear one break through time and again.

Plus a few lines just takes the listener off of any solid focus.
Lines with words like these can take up space in a song quickly

"And energy I need to pull me through"

"Is so essential"

"Necessary for me to start healing"
That line sounds very in-personal more like your writing a letter not a love song. ya know?

"But yesterdayís influences continue"

The lyrics need a lot more substance and impact.
Musically nice arrangement but the wait for the chorus felt long,

The section with Jeannie being sung should have arrived sooner and played out a bit longer. Just for the purpose of making the song more effective I would start there. rebuild that chorus.

This section is where it loses impact quickly
Having to pay the price for it
Is something that I just canít bear the thought of
Trying to have the confidence
And energy I need to pull me through


Also the stops the pause in the verses got to be a tad much. I appreciate the repition but I would try to alternate and let one sing through

here:
Tuning in to what I said
To you that day is coming back (pause) to haunt me

No pause there to really help build momentum this is part of what's pulling the song back.

Liked the guitar and vocal, sounded good. Nice work and very soulful indeed.

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Hi Mike

This is a great production of a song - hands down QUALITY

Well no matter if Clive wanted your song or Not -- at the Time -- it HAD all the qualities and you know it - you need to be proud and confident that you can produce what the market wants - if given the opportunity...

and why some are given a chance and some are not is a BIG question -- in the industry and In Life --- is it all a matter of having all the right stuff and then Just having a wee bit of Luck to put it in the right place At the Right time ? Could be --

R & B is Still a Viable market -- I guess I would say -- keep pitching it ... you never know...

I had a couple of thoughts that could possibly make the lyric more contemporary and stronger and still fit the music. just my humble offering.... kos

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Leave Your Love WAR Behind © Caro/Paris
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You know it's hard living everyday
When SOMEone(she sings this) you love takes theIR love away
And this love was one in million
He gave me everything he could have given

Now I got to face the facts HIS LOVE ain't (omit never) coming back
The time is right to get on with my life
You want (ed) me to(o) change but I'm gonna stay the same
And there's nothing you can say

I don't wanna talk about it'
I don't wanna think about
(omit-This time) I'm gonna leave your love WAR behind
I don't wanna change my ways
(omit- This time) I'm gonna leave your love WAR behind

You told me why you had to be alone
We have to try to make it on our own
With all my heart you are forgiven
I don't want you back, I just want to start living

I don't wanna talk about it
I don't wanna think about
(This time) I'm gonna leave your love WAR behind
I don't wanna change my ways
(This time) I'm gonna leave your love WAR behind

Solo

I don't wanna talk about it
I don't wanna think about
(This time) I'm gonna leave your love WAR behind
I don't wanna change my ways
(This time) I'm gonna leave your love WAR behind

I don't wanna talk about it
I don't wanna think about it
I don't wanna talk about it
I don't wanna think about it

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Thanks for listening Joice and pitching in.

I was and still remain proud, proud that I was able to adjust to still another style of music and songwriting and not have to force it. Proud that enough people thought it worthy of even doing it to this level and presenting it to the biggest person in the music business industry.

Timing is huge, when Neil was up at Arista in 84 he was going over in detail with Clive what needed to be done editing wise to a song of ours. Neil would go into there studio and make the edits.

If the situation was THAT personal and tight when this song was presented we stood a MUCH greater chance.

R&B and the market.

Yes while that would be the apparent market for me in this day & age of Hip Hop & Rap dominating the musical world BIG TIME even more than purer R&B, I do not feel I have my finger anywhere near the pulse now.
No matter how silly a song I hear on the radio is and how it couldn't have taken more than a a day or two to complete it soup to nuts, I still don't feel it or have the production means or mindset to adhere to it.

I don't think I'll ever re-visit this particular song but more wanted to show in sync with this thread about presenting a song.

Of the songs we reviewed here so many were completely out of market, so quality even made very little difference.

I like the little adjustments you made to this song lyrically, I probably would however not go with the love WAR direction smile

I did not forget your song pitch I actually wrote a whole big HUGE review and lost it before SAVING it to come back to. I hate when that happens frown

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Hi Mike

OH MY -- Well ALWAYS try the Back Button !!!! -- I've lost a few letters etc @#%$ Hate that ........ well I'd love to even get your condensed version --- but I was late and I know the song needs a bit more work --- ha but your deadline was UP !


IT IS STILL my opinion but I FEEL the R&B soul in your work --- you still have a pulse closer than most ---- perhaps you will rethink that - especially since you have a song or 2 that can fit,

The new John Mayer --- has 'Assassin' -- and the War angle came to my mind because I am listening to that and the parallel is there. ...

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Thanks Joice.

Yes the back button I hit it, and when it winds up showing you the forum main page and stops there you really know you lost it lol....

Lets try one more letter, we'll jump ahead 13 years from the last one, all the ones in between were passes as well of course.
I don't think the discussion of what goes into and around submitting songs to labels and publishers is a strong subject here. So I'll put that away now smile

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I would love to say this song was born of strong sentiments and love of music.
However it wasn't, my friend and I were working on another song, I think it was "Middle Of Nothing" and we were struggling as usual. Especially lyrically.
I got very frustrated and said "we should just write any old thing,play two chords and go off on the first thing that comes to mind. It was born out of frustration!And lets write it in 15 minutes too lol..

So we did... Of course I had to re-visit it. So I came back alone to finish by adding the last verse. And plug a few holes.

We figured it was just a silly fun song to do and a good ice breaker to getting serious again. We had a lot of fun going back and forth lyrically with it. One guy saying "roof top vocals" the other "hip hop beat"

Basically it turned into fun and a challenge we didn't think ANYONE would actually like it. We just new we could also write a song that was more specific,detailed,clever,humorous, & catchy!

When any talk of MARKETING came up, I KNEW we needed to have some KID who someone finds working in a supermarket or something and make him the face and voice of the song. A kid from Brooklyn.

Only RAP is about the only thing Brooklyn is relative too or anything else labels were interested in. So the song with ME doing everything is soulful but not nearly urban enough.
I looked for and tried other vocalists but none were putting the song across with any real conviction. And it has Melody so just talking through it seemed counter productive.

But still in my mind I knew all it needed was some silly video
think about that Rico Suave singing about himself.
Vanilla Ice and the many other ONE HIT WONDERS.

If we could have gotten a sit down for 10 minutes over the song. I would have basically said this to the executives who are ALL about money.

I don't want you to release this song to any other country, I don't want you to release it to any other state in America.
As a matter of fact no other borrow in NYC even. Just Brooklyn
There are over 5 million people in Brooklyn alone and I think ALL of them would eat this song UP. So even if you move only 250,000 there alone it's worth it, now add the other borrows near
by like Manhattan, Staten Island (50% at least Brooklyn) Queens etc...
NOVELTY! start there!

Then send the KID of your choice the star of the song back to the supermarket smile lol

The BIGGEST problem here was the label was TOO BIG for one thing.
This would be great for an upstart or indie label. Just to make a little noise and a quick buck to help get started.
After all isn't that what we ALL just really want, need and dream of? Just a little splash and some funds to support ourselves and what we do?

The song is not that smart but there sure have been,are and will be a LOT dumber ones on the radio doing exactly that!


So of all the songs I've done..
More comments are left for it than any other and I get emails from strangers about it all the time. All positive.. so there it sits on youtube with 18,228 views and counting smile




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Now ya see I like you singing this and I think my Son would love it

and we're not from Brooklyn
here you need the link --- it Rocks !
http://www.youtube.com/user/Substudio#p/u/7/U4sx-k-bszU

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Originally Posted by Joice Marie
Now ya see I like you singing this and I think my Son would love it

and we're not from Brooklyn
here you need the link --- it Rocks !
http://www.youtube.com/user/Substudio#p/u/7/U4sx-k-bszU


Thank you Joice.

It still needs a bit more jazz and style I feel. It kinda just lays there a bit. It was never my intention to be the "be all" of the song or any song I write practically.

This is old now and I have to move beyond it, as soon as I get my pension check it's NO MORE MUSH LOL...

But like Tripp Always tells me "Mike, it's only old to you"

Thanks again Joice, I have decided that you GET the record/publsihing deal
from Mr Knowitall at Sublevel Music NYC.

Just for being YOU! smile



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OH My GoSh -- YOU ARE JUST a SWEETHEART --- and I WAsn't Trying to Brownie you Up Mr Knowitall ==== But I DO love you man -- and Tripp too even though we haven't met yet wink !!

I REALLY Do like this song !


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WoW -- he's Tuff as Nails !!!

BUT DON't Give UP - !


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yanno reading that note again --- I really get the sense that Clive may just shoot right from his Gut as far as a FEELing for a Hit ........ I wonder if he ever talks about that kind of thing......


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Originally Posted by Joice Marie
yanno reading that note again --- I really get the sense that Clive may just shoot right from his Gut as far as a FEELing for a Hit ........ I wonder if he ever talks about that kind of thing......


Well three things I can say for him

1- He keeps his word, he said in 1984 "anytime"

2- He knows this business! And does have a great ear & sense.

3- He knows there is loads of rubbish getting put out now, that is part of the reason he had directed himself towards bring Santana back to the people in a BIG way. Was behind Rod Stewart's come back success. Then there's AI etc...

As a matter of fact I have a recording saved of a phone message from his office telling Neil that he was busy in the studio with Rod Stewart and would reply back asap.
I'm crazy like that I save things and cherish them with others years later smile

Anyway, Joice I'm throwing a lot of stuff out on this thread and around in general. I'm really trying to seek some more help medically and pushing on best I can. But the truth is I can't do very much anymore and I may have to retire for a while. My heart is there but my body just isn't. No more sessions. frown

How special is this place to me, well John Daubert is driving in from Philly Jan 11th to stay over to to drive and take me to Queens Jan 12th 9:00 am to see an Orthopedic, Spine Specialist.
I met John HERE! okay!

So many people here have helped me and know more about my concerns than most of my own family... That is special! and for even that reason alone I would anything I could to help them.
Hence all those free bonus tracks on songs LOL...

I NEVER forget! smile







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Hi Mike

well yanno -- the idea of surgery is a Mighty scary thing no matter how big and strong a person is - they may not talk about it - so I understand why you have tried to find answers outside of that....... HowEver --- the quality of Life can change dramatically from the work and They are Much better at this now.........

there's a woman in my office going in for surgery tomorrow - carpal tunnel -- well - of course she IS very anxious..... BUT about 5 years ago she had back surgery --- they fused a few bones in her neck....... within a few months -- she began to emerge as a New person...... she's now back riding and caring for horses Daily -- which she loves --- SHE could hardly walk and was in total pain before the surgery...... that's one story --- there are Many more....... what it came down to was -- the quality of her life was Gone...... she had to take the leap of faith that her life could be better again...... have faith and ask for guidance from your higher power.

I have faith that you are going to be well again VERY SOON. !!

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In light of the post for submitting your favorite songs here in 2010 I feel funny picking favorites here:) Besides favorites and business can have SO little to do with each other.

When I made this post I set up shop as a record/label publishing company. Taking UNSOLICITED material up until a deadline date.
I listened and reviewed a bunch of submissions and selected only a few for acceptance at the company. An exercise in the entire process...

I'll submit these to other post, but i can't find the fifth song smile?? I know I accepted at least one more, so I';ll add on on the fly.

1. Dont Push My Button - Michele Bolton

2. Cry Like My Baby - Ken Damkier

3. Without At Trace - Big Jim

4. Let It Go - James DFS


I Had to bump this as i didn't want to keep fishing back to find it lol


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Dear Mr. Know-it-all,

I scanned this thread
It sure was long crazy
It seems I failed
To submit a song
If you refuse
I won't be bitter mad
But would you kindly
Still consider
This retro tune
That might excite cool
And if too late
That's quite alright
The deadline date
Has all but passed
But hey I saved
The best for last! wink (just kiddin')

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6960579





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Mike, thanks for adding my song collaboration with Taylor Brandesky of Without a Trace to the list. We had posted it and Big Jim took it and sang it, as he liked it so much, with his added flair, which I so enjoyed. smile It means a lot to me that our song had such good reactions...:)


I am not sure if you are asking for submissions now for songs? I am a bit unclear...but here are two more of mine, for consideration.

smile
Gonna Start a Bonfire
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=9050135

She Won't feel a Thing
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=9143044

Again, thank you!!! smile
Kimberly

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Hi Kim

Let me add your name next to Jim's on the other thread, I forgot smile

Actually I bumped this so I could get back easier and find the songs and links. The company is CLOSED LOL for now due to the nature of the business and the fact that we NEVER get paid EVER smile

Mike

I think YOU have a good grasp on commercially writing for today..


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If your still accepting heres a Contemporary Christian called
The way that Jesus do


http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7200337

And a pop/rock song called Through my eyes

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8202121

Just for yucks and giggles!

Take care Mike

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