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#812015 - 04/21/10 12:55 PM
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Colin He also says "Ass In A Lawn Chair" in the song. Shock value? Now If Carrie Underwood sung "My Ass In The Sand" I'd like it more. Better image than Zac Brown. I think I'd be bothered more by "Roll a Big Fat One" than "Ass in The Sand"  it's the "roll" model thing. No pun intended But I'm more bothered by Zac wearing a Knit skull cap down over his ears on a 90 degree summer day at the beach than by the lyric. That has to be hot. On the other hand... look at the color of our hair. And Kevins
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#812070 - 04/21/10 05:16 PM
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It's a song that the artist wrote. Fans like it. Radio plays the song & bleeps the naughty parts or plays the disney version. There's plenty of songs with much more offensive language like: Closer by 9 inch nails http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/nineinchnails/closer.htmlor You Oughta Know by ALANIS MORISSETTE http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/alanismorissette/yououghtaknow.htmlor Why Can't I by Liz Phair http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/lizphair/whycanti.html& bunches of songs by Prince In comparison to these, ass in the sand is extremely tame. There's always a backlash & a reaction to songs that push the edge. years ago people were offended by: Elvis Presley's hips Wake up little suzy, Louie Louie, Jerry Lee Lewis, Shania Twain stirred things up in country in the 90's when she showed her belly. It's music, it's art. It's hard for non artist songwriters to get songs with dirty words cut, but artists can write and do whatever they want. Songs express human emotions and life situations. There's nothing new under the sun, we're all trying to say the same old thing in a slighty different & a new & exciting way. ande
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#812094 - 04/21/10 08:39 PM
Re: Ass in the Sand?????
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keister now that is a good word..got my toes in the water, keister in the sand..LOL  I am not a prude either..it kinda surprised me the first time I heard it on an awards show, but I also smiled at the thought..but was not wild about roll myself a fat one...I know in the video is shows like a burrito or something..but everyone knows it means a joint.. BUT saying that, I really like the Zac Brown Band...got some really cool songs...Love Highway 20 Ride and that boy can PLAY the guitar..I think they will be another success story as far as bands go. Kim
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#812100 - 04/21/10 08:50 PM
Re: Ass in the Sand?????
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I don't see a reason for cussin' in any songs. They are becoming more common place in country music. I really like Zac Brown's music overall but using "curse words" (even if they're in the Bible) is a cheap way of doing it. He's very talented and didn't have to do it to make his point. He did it for shock. He sold out.
I've heard people talk about the "roll a big one line." I never listened close enough to hear that line.
Bill mentioned "A Boy Named Sue." I didn't know they did a family friendly version. I thought they just bleeped it, which is different from doing a family friendly version.
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#812105 - 04/21/10 09:11 PM
Re: Ass in the Sand?????
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I don't see a reason for cussin' in any songs. They are becoming more common place in country music. I really like Zac Brown's music overall but using "curse words" (even if they're in the Bible) is a cheap way of doing it. He's very talented and didn't have to do it to make his point. He did it for shock. He sold out.
I've heard people talk about the "roll a big one line." I never listened close enough to hear that line.
Bill mentioned "A Boy Named Sue." I didn't know they did a family friendly version. I thought they just bleeped it, which is different from doing a family friendly version. I've read the lyric to this 'Ass in the sand' song and I'm struggling to spot a cuss word. Are some parts of the body 'cuss words' but others not?
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#812106 - 04/21/10 09:16 PM
Re: Ass in the Sand?????
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I don't see a reason for cussin' in any songs. They are becoming more common place in country music. I really like Zac Brown's music overall but using "curse words" (even if they're in the Bible) is a cheap way of doing it. He's very talented and didn't have to do it to make his point. He did it for shock. He sold out.
I've heard people talk about the "roll a big one line." I never listened close enough to hear that line.
Bill mentioned "A Boy Named Sue." I didn't know they did a family friendly version. I thought they just bleeped it, which is different from doing a family friendly version. about the line..roll a Fat one...here is it:) the verse it is in... Quoted from the song TOES by the Zac Brown Band..." Adios en vaya con dios
Yeah I’m leaving GA
And if it weren’t for tequila and pretty senoritas
I’d have no reason to stay
Adios en vaya con dios
Yeah I’m leaving GA
Gonna lay in the hot sun and roll a big fat one
And grab my guitar and play "just thought I would show ya..:) and Steve...not that a part of the body is really a bad word, but I wouldn't want a grandkid of mine saying the word alot..ya know...as it has several meanings...though it is in the Bible..as said before..:) It is not a big deal to me, but I was surprised to hear it in country...not as common:) Kim
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#812113 - 04/21/10 09:58 PM
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How did I get this label 'serious contributor' and how do I get rid of it? bahahahaa...don't like labels, huh, Steve?? at least it doesn't say...underneath..pay no mind to this poster..LOL  Kim
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#812304 - 04/22/10 09:11 PM
Re: Ass in the Sand?????
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I concur with Sheila Davis (The Craft of Lyric Writing) that there is a need to be mindful of what your song/lyrics will convey when they are targeted at certain vulnerable groups within a society such as impressionable youth, etc. There's a lot of hypocrisy around this (not necessarily from yourself, I will add). For example, some of the commentators who make a big deal about hip-hop artists allegedly promoting violence and bad attitudes towards women don't seem to be at all bothered about the country artists whose songs have celebrated gun culture and paraded misogyny for many decades. Of course, such characterisations are not true of the majority of artists in either genre.
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#812306 - 04/22/10 09:22 PM
Re: Ass in the Sand?????
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For example, some of the commentators who make a big deal about hip-hop artists allegedly promoting violence and bad attitudes towards women don't seem to be at all bothered about the country artists whose songs have celebrated gun culture and paraded misogyny for many decades.
On a related but somewhat tangential note, I can watch a television show where there are body parts flying, blood spurting, heads rolling, etc. But, in the same movie, if they show a character's bare bottom (male or female), it is "fuzzed out". Many, even most, of us have been conditioned to think this is normal and proper. Myself, I have to believe that an alien race who observed this would think humans were completely screwed up.  Scott
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#812316 - 04/22/10 10:48 PM
Re: Ass in the Sand?????
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a television show where there are body parts flying, blood spurting, heads rolling, etc.
But, in the same movie, if they show a character's bare bottom (male or female), it is "fuzzed out". Last weekend I watched Sopranos and had to laugh because they blurred someone shooting the bird twice. But Sopranos has showed beatings and shootings many times and last week in this same episode they showed two men kissing (and a resulting beating).
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#812323 - 04/22/10 11:54 PM
Re: Ass in the Sand?????
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By the way Bill. This has no bearing on the topic, but I like the American flag and saying that is your profile picture. You seem to be focused on a very real and important issue. People have lost their lives so that we can sit in the sand. And freely and openly discuss the topic of this thread without fear. Even though I don't particularly agree with some of the opinions.
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#812439 - 04/23/10 10:07 AM
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I'm not a prude either but I have to turn it down when my 7 year old is in the car and that's a drag. Bill Renfrew www.writethismusic.com Oh c'mon, Bill. You don't have to. It's just that you choose to, which runs counter to your first statement given that 'ass' is pretty much the most moderate word outside of the medical dictionary. That is your choice, of course. It's your child, your parental responsibility, your car, your radio and your ears. And, more importantly, it's your embarrassment that's involved, not mine. But let's not pretend that there's no prudery in the equation here 'cause it sure ain't liberalism. "A prude [...] is a person who is described as (or would describe themselves as) being concerned with decorum or propriety, significantly in excess of normal prevailing community standards. They may be perceived as being more uncomfortable than most with sexuality, nudity, alcohol, drug use or mischief."(Source: Wikipedia, but plenty of other places concur with this definition.)
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#812477 - 04/23/10 12:12 PM
Re: Ass in the Sand?????
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I'm all for freedom of speech but I cannot condone songs that use explicit vulgar language, promote violence in a realistic way, promote killing cops, raping women or graphic sex. These songs should not be allowed on free airwaves. If people want to buy them that is their choice.
And it seems to be getting worse.
What's next, celebrating the taking down of WTC or the beheading of Americans?
I don't think I'd equate the right to bear arms with the right to kill cops.
Does Country music cross the line, sure, on occasion, but never to the extent Hip Hop, Rap, and some Pop music does.
Recently? Tobi Keith "We'll put a boot in your ASS"
Offensive? I bet Al Qaeda took offense. So did Saddam. Most Americans thought it was great.
Gretchen wilson. "Come go to bed" was pretty racy. But it had no sexually explicit language in it.
There's nothing wrong with having a little fun with songs. Innuendo can be great and effective. But there should be some limits.
Heck I wrote one called lets have sex and it has a reference to smoking pot in it as well.
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#812494 - 04/23/10 01:42 PM
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Over my 60 years of listening to country music I have never heard any song glorifying guns or murder. However Gangsta Rap appears to have no limits of what vulgar language they will use. While we all abhor censorship self censorship and limits to extremes shows one can write without the need to use excess vugularity. If you need to use a hoard of 4 letter words to get your message across your audience may be limited as well as your opportunities.
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#812517 - 04/23/10 02:48 PM
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Kathy,
You are right. Every artist hopes to sell out. Every single night. The key with Zac is he is a musician who has played bars every night for years. That is the way he talks.
The radio was bleeped out in some markets and others they didn't. They did two versions on the song. That happens a lot too. There are often duplicate versions, "safe ones" for certain markets and the regular versions they do life.
On "Friends in Low Places" Duane Blackwell and Earl Bud Lee actually wrote a third verse for the song. They incorporated it into the live version:
Thought I was wrong, I didn't belong but hey I've been there before
It'll be allright, I'll just say goodnight and show myself to the door.
I didn't mean to cause a big scene, just let me finish this glass
An hour from now I'll be back at the bar, and you can kiss my A@@!
Garth didn't want to do that version on the single but did it on the CD and live version.
It depends on the context of the song and the character singing. You wouldn't expect this from someone like Taylor Swift or Josh Turner. That would not be natural to their characters.
"Rolling a fat one", etc. are all part of the lexicon of Zac and his band. So it is natural to them.
It also can go the other direction.
Charlie Daniels has been a consistant rock and country artist since the early 70's. One of his biggest songs is called "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" a rip roaring fiddle piece about a fiddle contest between "Johnny and the Devil." The song is a standard on FM stations and even used in commercials.
One of the lines, that Johnny tells the Devil when he wins is:
"I done told you once you son of a B@tch,
I'm the best there's ever been."
Having undergone a Christian transformation in the early 90's, Charlie no longer does that version. He says "Son of a Gun."
I once opened a show with him and had a conversation on it and he said that the change is very subtle, the crowd sings their own version anyway and that he no longer uses that kind of language.
So it depends on the singer and the song. This is the same thing that we get all the time when people asking for critiques hear something on the radio and say "Hey, so and so just did that on the radio."
My answer is that "When you can see your reflection in the gold and platinum records on your walls, you can get away with anything. Up till then you can't.
Say whatever you want to say, however you want to say it. but keep in mind where it might go. For my own process, I try not to do anything I wouldn't say to my 92 year old Grandmother.
MAB
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#812518 - 04/23/10 02:50 PM
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He didn't sell out. It's the way he talks, the way his band talks. Who ever wrote this song has their own unique way of sounding. Thats it. no more to it.
So he sold out when he made the version that replaced "ass" with the word "toes?" IMO, he did it for shock and when he thought it could hurt him in some circles, he compromised. As for other uses of the words in songs, I think Toby was criticized by some dame from Texas for using the word. The use of that one word doesn't bother me as much as some other songs using different words. I don't think it's correct to say he didn't do it for shock value.
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#812541 - 04/23/10 03:52 PM
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Actually, in *this* particular case, I really don't think they shipped two versions. Rather, I think they were caught off guard by public reaction and then they adjusted. I say that because WWKI, which I listen to every morning while taking my son to school, played the original version for a fairly long time. Then for a short time they played a version with the offending words bleeped out (blocked out). Sounded pretty awkward. Then came the TOES version which they now play all the time. I love that song, but I didn't like hearing the original version on the radio simply because my son was listening. Now, why that word sticks out to me more than some other words in some other songs, I don't know, but it does(did). Us silly humans! Anyway, I purchased a bunch of music from JPFOLKS judging, and some of it is pretty rough, so I specifically listen to KI in the morning to get cleaner music while my son is in the car. And then this song! hahaha....can't win I guess
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#812559 - 04/23/10 05:00 PM
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I shared this thread with my 77 year old mom, and she busted a gut
over such a bruhaha, over such a pittance of a problem, she said
that she wondered if she had some how been time warped back to
the 40'S or 50's, when they didn't show married couples using
the same bed, etc. The word ass is the least of our worries in
todays society.........................Gus I would like to invite your mother to join my band. She sounds alright.
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#812560 - 04/23/10 05:17 PM
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On another songwriting list I used to take part in, someone would post a song with, say, the word 'damned' in it. Not even used as a curse but in its 'proper' context - ie, meaning 'condemned'.
But then someone else would post a reply saying that they didn't think Jesus would approve of such language, using 'cuss' words and all that. So then the original writer would feel ashamed and embarrassed, and come back promising to take the word out.
Or there would be writers who'd express some sort of spiritual doubt in a song and find themselves being told off for that - which would lead to them scrapping that part of the song or dropping it altogether.
And I'd be thinking s/he was a fool, quite frankly, turning a decent song into something that was now mediocre. A lyric that was interesting, which showed understanding of the human condition, turned into something bog-standard.
Then there'd be the people who'd claim that using sarcasm in a song was 'unChristian' or even 'anti-Christian'.
So I'd point out, in case they hadn't read it, that the main guy in the New Testament used that technique quite a few times in order to make a point. Remember the stuff about rich men, heaven, camels and the eyes of needles, for example? Or when he pointed out that the rules of the sabbath should serve the people, not the people serve the rules? And what about the remark about rendering to caesar the things that are caesar's, and to god the things that are god's? And so on.
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