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Hi ya'll, back in the summer, I wrote this song and Derek did the co-write on it, Miss Caroline did some suggestions for us also..so this is a 3 way co-write..Me,Derek and Caroline..hope you like it and please tell us what you think..Mike Caro finished this for us and I do feel he did a more than great job on it..i'm so proud of him..thanks glyn

How These Walls Cry

Through the years I've seen many things
Some I wish i had not seen
I've seen men come and go
Some go home and some go
well, you know.

It's a shame it took this to bring me to my knees

It doesn't matter who you are
the roughest, toughest, meanest of men
With all kinds of tattoos
There will come a day when you'll have to bend

You know when somethings going down
there's any icy wicked chill in the air
and it's thicker than ice
you better think twice
Before you show anyone that your scared

it's seeping through the walls
like fingers reaching out for you
stops you in your tracks
afraid to breathe or even move

No one makes a sound
As evil floats around
but, at night man you should see
How these walls cry.

My Mama revered the Lord
She said, son you'd better be good
Or you'll go straight to hell
well it feels like I am in this cell

Mamma did what she could
But she can't stop these walls from closing in
At times I swear I hear them talking
I pace the floors spend hours walking
At anytime my life could end

When my mamma cried for me
i just laughed right in her face
Now her wisdom I ignored
Has put me in this place

No one makes a sound
As evil floats around
but, at night man you should see
How these walls cry

How these walls cry

(Bridge)
Well, if I could get out for just one day
you know what i'd do
i'd get down on my knees
and kiss that woman's feet
Tell her I was such a fool

I've seen a man kill another man
just for sitting on his bed
Life means nothing behind these bars
just look at someone wrong and your dead

Yeah they act so tough swearing, cussin' and fighting
At night the damned lay still scared by a little thunder and lighting

No one makes a sound
As evil floats around
but, at night man you should see
How these walls cry
How these walls cry

It's an awesome job. Real feeling and emotions, great guitars and vocals. jm Best wishes. jm

Joice , thanks so much. Mike really did his self out on this,and like I said i'm so proud of him and this song..Hope Derek drops in and see's it's up. I emailed him . Thanks for listening to it happy you liked it. glyn

glynda and crew and Mike........this is an awesome song....I love the music....great lyrics also.....it real does sound great.....be proud of this......Bob

OK, I'm going to have to find new words now, all I can think of when I hear this is... WOW!! Mike did an amazing job, and even the length is enjoyable.

I'm so proud of where Glyn and Derek took this, you two did some great work, and it was well worth the wait. Very HOT!!!!

Robert,thank you so much for your kind words, I really love this too. Mike did so good on it, it's came out better than I thought it would..thanks for taking your time to listen to it..glyn

This is very well done. Good lyrics and excellent music production. Who wrote the music?

Very nice work, guys (and gals). Impressive. Pat yourselves on the back. (Actually, better pat each other--less chance of dislocating anything). Good work--and a fascinating listen all the way through.

Joe

Hi Colin, Mike Caro wrote the music, well, Derek had started it, and I think Mike used parts of what Derek had, but mostly Mike did the music and production...thanks for stopping in and giving this a listen..I really do appreciate it...glyn

Joe, why thank you, and really this was a fun one to write, I actually had like 2 whole pages on it, once I got started writing I just couldn't stop, Like Kaley had once said, I'm sure there's enough of the rough draft left for a second song..we'll have to see about that later..thanks so much for your feedback..love glyn

the Producer strikes again....

"Yeah they act so tough swearing, cussin' and fighting
At night the damned lie still scared by a little thunder and lighting"

These lines say it all.
If you don't believe that, put your boots on, and let me take you down the road one time.

I gave a listen, and loved the vocals and the guitar........

Hi Louis, thanks for stopping and leaving your feedback..and don't you think Mike did a great job on this for us..i'm so happy with the way it turned out...glyn

Sam , yes you are right those lines say it all . Thanks so much for taking your time to listen to our song..we all really appreciate it so much..and in Derek's absece i know he appreciates it too....love glyn

Wow - loved it, Glyn!

I remember seeing this lyric earlier - Sub really brought it alive.

I expect you're pretty happy with it - I sure would be.

Nice work to all!

Scott

HI Scott, Yeah I'm more than happy with it..now just to get it out there...i'm so proud I can't stop listening to it...thanks so much and thanks for liking it...glyn

Hi Glynda,

This has undergone quite a transformation in Mike's capable hands.
Very well done all the way around.

Ricki

Yes, Ricki, Mike has done a great job on it, couldn't have been better, and Derek really laid the grounds for it too. i'm proud of both of them and for Mike to come in and finish this the way he has, like I said, he really put alot of himself into this, Ijust wish I could have seen him performing this in person..man,I bet that was really something to see. Maybe some day I will get to...who knows....thanks for listening , we all appreciate it so much..thanks glyn

Hi,

WOW !
What a powerhouse song.
Loved it all.
questions..

Is Mike singing & playing ?

I love this....
I've seen men come and go
Some go home and some go
well, you know.

who ever wrote that, please take a bow.

Merry Christmas to everyone !

Calvin


htp://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/calvinstewart

Hey Calvin,
We all are bowing...Glyn wrote the original lines, Derek made some changes and I edited a few words to clean it up a bit. Combined efforts are always so good!!! If you hear any hollow knocking sounds, we've all bumped heads in this little bowing circle.

Scott, Ricki, Sam, Louis,
This has turned out way better than I expected. I'd not heard it with music when Derek had done it, well, not thoroughly, (dial up really sucks) so I didn't have any idea how it was going to truly sound. Mike took what Derek had, and this is what happened! I'm in awe. I wasn't really expecting this to be this good. Honestly, I wasn't sure, I couldn't hear it play, and I thought it was entirely too long to keep interest! I'm so glad I was WRONG!!! OK, sorry, I'll stop now!!

Derek and Glyn did a lot of work to this, and they deserve so much credit for their efforts here!! <applause!!!> and Mike, he needs to bow too, well, carefully, maybe a head nod....

this is real nice, sounds like a bit hit if many people goto hear it.
Real cool.

Calvin


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/calvinstewart

Oh my, thanks so much Calvin for your wonderful words, man, you have me blushing...yes I wrote those words..but like Caroline said it took all 3 of us to actually come up with what your are hearing..then Mike comes along and he puts all that energy and strong feeling into it, plus his excellent music...what can I say,,this is what happens when you put gals and guys together...ha ha ha...love it. thanks so much Calvin. and i'm glad you like it so much..let's all keep our fingers crossed.. and may I take the time to say that I am truly blessed to have come here to JPFs,cause without this forum. this would never have happened.....thanks to Brain and everyone involved...and to all our fellow songwriters,musicians, etc.. what else can I say..but hey I LOVE YOU GUYS , EACH AND EVERY ONE...LOVE GLYN

Hey Caroline, thanks for all the kind words...I like it...glyn

Glynda, Derek and Caroline,

This is awesome. Mike did an excellent job on it. This should be on the radio. The lyric is excellent and I can't even begin to say how good Mike interpreted this. Great work by all. It's downloaded!

Hi guys,

I loved listening to this. What a powerful song. Reminds me of Santana some, the guitar licks.

Beautiful work by all of you

Letha

Wendy, thank you so much for liking this song, it is now my favorite of all my others...I still keep playing it over and over, can't believe it turned out so good, and I agree, I think it belongs on the radio too, and I can even see a movie behind it...thanks again..love glyn

Hi Letha, thanks for stopping in and listening..Yes this is a powerful song and Mike did such a great job on this. I'm just overwhelmed and so happy about this one..thanks again. glyn

Impressive and energetic. Not too many songs I know of that touch on prison life. Sounds like it might be a good fit in the right movie. Great job guys!

Best,
Lynn

Hi

First of all let me say thanks to Glynda, Caroline & Derek. You guys all did some real nice work here. Very inspiring!

And I'm SO happy for Glynda who is really just getting into all of this and is sharing the GREAT feeling of collaborating and hearing her work being fu-filled & produced!!
Meaning - Isn't it AWESOME to pop this song on in anyones car or computer or Ipod or whatever and watch there head spin and face change

I LOVE that! and for me to say that after having that feeling for the first time nearly 30 years ago!!!
That's why I say "you can't produce & take everything you do to the hilt" but don't wait for what you think is a "Hit" to DO something with your work. We should all live so long This is HOW you learn and grow and get better. Regardless of ANYTHING you now have a product that is gonna command respect! And also experience in dealing with several things in music, important things!
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Derek laid this song map out musically. His emotion and initial feel is what I found appealing and inspiring when re-working it from scratch. Actually i wanted to have him still do the talking intro section for the recording or if he wasn't available I would have loved to get Tom Franz on this.

I was personally very happy with this and it came out better than I thought it would. The song and the whole project surprised me the way it grew as it went along. There were 3 collaborators on it before i got it and no one actually gave me an input,advise or direction Sometimes that's even better.. even though i love when someone has it all planned out for me to follow exactly. I still admire someone who "doesn't tie my hands"

Many times I'm told "do not deviate from what I sent you" So many times I have to work on something and fight my instincts to make it better. When I know it can be better. And many times that could be the slightest thing or very small changes. Not only with melody or lyric or arrangements, but with instruments as well.

Well Glynda just said "mike do whatever you want with this, make any changes or adjustments you feel are needed. In other words Produce it! Also extended co-write offers and all the kindness and generosity you could ask for.
As did Caroline & Derek.

So I got to some minor editing, arranging and tempo setting. Taking what Derek had and locking it up tighter and making some changes phrase wise and such.
I changed the melody of the second verse by adding that rhythmical vocal part on the "paced the floors" section and did a re-vamp of the bridge. Altered a word or two too make it sing better.

The big key was to make it more singable and take the song that was over 5 minutes cut it down and even though it's still a touch long "Pop wise" it doesn't feel that way.

The song grew on me as i started tracking, I was proud of this project cause I physically and mentally didn't think i would get through. My fingers are mostly numb now all the time.. i think due to my neck,back & nerve damage, The EMG test next week will confirm that if nothing else. I'm the first one to KNOCK my own work,playing,singing and EVERYTHING! I'm at least happy that I find that pretty much I'm the only one knocking me LOL...

A friend who works with me all the time came in at the end of this and heard the mix in the studio. He said "Who's playing the guitar? It's killer! and did you hire a drummer for this one? So is that you singing, it is right? lol
Now YOU know I play everything and you still asked those questions lol....
There's about 4 different percussion on this, and LIVE everything!

So as I sat there lopsided on my chair, in pain and dizzy & weak but that spark still gleamed in my eyes. Instead of being defeated I got worked up inside. pushed myself best I could and I SMOKED this tune! Yay!!

Thank you guys for helping put that spark & that gleam in!!!

Thanks all you guys, Wendy Calvin, Joice Scott and all of you's for all the kind words and support.

Letha - I have seen Santana five times and own 14 of his albums you're 100% darn right it reminds you of Santana some" LOL
Thanks You! very much....

Yes Cal that is me singing and playing

Hi Glynda, CC, Derek, & Mike,

YIPEE! What a song, sounds absolutely fantastic! Congratulations!

Big hugs

Aussie friend

Michele

OK,now Mike you for sure have me crying...I knew that when this song came back from you, it would be something special..I was and am very honored for having you do it..and man, look what you did!!!!!! I still can't stop listening to it..just wish I could get ahold of Derek so he could be in on this with us..Mike I am so proud of you, I can't tell you how proud.. and Mike you are right..you for sure SMOKED THIS TUNE and I'll never forget all you have put into this..you are a great musician, singer.. you are soooo talented and so sweet...you sir, need to take a bow..all by yourself. You made this song what it is...All I did is put thoughts down on piece of paper, you put the energy, the zest, you all by your self make this come alive and reach out to othres. It builds up so great, can't stay still, i'm so excited about this song...you have given me something to really be proud of and I appreciate, and admire you...Mike, you are one very wonderful, talented and great person, you have so much inside of you that alot of others will never have...yes, I admire you and look up to you...what else can I say...you're just GREAT....LOVE YOU MIKE......glyn

HiDee Glynda & Gang!

'Tis True...it's got Charisma.."That Desperate Feel"..Great Hook, Fine Message. (Reminds me of that Classic Animals' Hit, "We Gotta Get Outta This Place".) I enjoyed The Listen, & CONGRATS, Y'All!

Mz G, think ya wanna proofread a tad more...'cuz I got my Day's First Chuckle readin' the Songlist at your Soundclick Site..& there was "Angel with a Broken Wind"...

So..I Enjoyed Your Sad One...then LMAO--!

Good Luck with The Hit, Gang!
Big Hug,
Stan

Tampa Stan , well thank you and ha, ha, ha, what do yo expect from an ole' lady...it's a wonder I can even type at all, but glad to give you something to laugh at...I LOVE TO MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH.. and thanks for your comments on the song too...love you Sant, Snat, Sran, oh heck,,,S t a n my ole' my, got it...love glyn

Ah - Now my head is too big to fit this thread!

Your very welcome I was just telling my wife Tripp how happy I was and excited you were about it and she was like "that is so cool"

Caroline - thanks for all the kinds words and support as well. You can accomplish so much when you help me each other even in this unkind unlucky business.

Hey, Mike you deserve it...can't wait till I write another one...and the main reason I'm even doing this, is that there is so much in my mind...just want to get it out there. and to leave my kids and grand kids something that they can have and say, hey, my mom and my grandma did this.......any other reason really doesn't matter. Yeah I'd love one to do something , but it's mainly for family reasons...thanks again Mike, love glyn and tell Tripp I said Hi...

Wow! Very Nice Glynda. Great sound and groove. I've not followed this one from the beginning but the outcome is very good. Nice job to everyone involved!!
Take Care and Happy New Year.
Steve

Stephen D. thanks for your kind words, yep, I think all of us did very well, I'm so fortunate to find such great talent here on JPF's..and look what can come out of it..this one was worth the wait..I've been excited about this one since the fist when Derek starated on it..I just knew it would be good ..I'm so happy it's done...I"m so proud of it..thanks again..glyn

Hello MIke,

Thanks, hey, that's real cool work you're doing here.
I saw Santana years ago.

Calvin


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/calvinstewart

Wow!
I just finished listening to this outstanding song.
The music and vocal totally captured the mood and intensity of the lyrics.
This song is a great example of how powerful collaboration can be. Congratulation to all the writers.

Sub, just when I think you can't get any better, you set a new benchmark!

Hi Azgreens, thanks so much for listening, I feel there is alot of talent here, and I have found some great friends on here also..I enjoyed working with Derek and Caroline on this and then here comes Mike and finshes it off and takes it way over what I could have ever expected... thanks again for stopping in...love glyn

Wow.... look at what happened while I was away :O

Amazing that what brought me and Glynda together on this song was our experiences with prisoners and prisons.. She had some awesome words and ideas and thoughts that just needed some gentle tweaking... Where my part really came in was like Mike mentioned in the emotion of the singer. At one point someone said it was a little "over the top" for someone in prison to express these type of emtions and also not safe for them... I am so glad that mike didn't dampen the emotion (if anything he emphasized it even more!) because I have seen first hand this emotion expressed by prisoners. For instance when a loved one died on the outside and they had no way to get there for the funeral. When one of them was the last person another prisoner talked to before attempting to end his life... yes in those moments those walls really do cry. I'm also glad the spiritual aspect was kept because those in prison (whether they be officer or prisoner) know that spiritual darkness all to well.. Thank you so much Glynda and Caroline for being bold enough to take this one to Mike... and Mike thanks so much for keeping the strong parts strong and strengthening the weak ones... This message really speaks to me and I pray that it will reach out to those lost souls in prison and possibly give them so hope for the future.. Prison like some many things in life is what you make of it and even in an environment of perpetual darkness there is an occasional light,, I pray that we can all contribute to this... Thanks everyone for your lovely commments and I''m sorry I wasn't here in the beginning when this thread started, but here I am now.. Thanks again to Glynda, Caroline and Mike Caro... you guys rock! keep on rockin!
Grace and Peace to you
That gUy

just a couple of months ago the state here brought in an inmate that had hung him self to our emergency room..the family came and I was working on the inmate, patient..and the guard that came in with him was the one that found him...it took an awful hold on this guard, I called for the hospital chaplain to come and talk to the guard first.....you could see the pain and stress,etc in his face, eyes.......yes, everyday life, even away from the jails we some times are faced with the reality of this other life...prison life....I just pray to God....thanks Derek for showing up and putting your thoughts into this..love you Derek..glyn

Has a almost Santana meets spaghetti western feel to it. Nice interpretation of Derek's original version. Wow, the intensity is really picking up on this one. Good production and performance Mike and great job by all involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Kevin

Hey, Kevin, I'm so happy you like this..it for sure is now my favorite . My kids haven't heard it yet, can't wait until they hear it...this came out so good..I love the way Mike did the music, I know nothing about that part, but, I do know that it could not have been done any better....this is so great..thanks again Kevin for your comments..........glyn

I gotta have a copy! When can you email it to me?

A big extra High to Derek & Mike, nice to see you guys hah!

YEAH WE GOT TALENT HERE!

Big Aussie fan!

Michele

Hi Michele, I think you can download it free from my soundclick. but go ahead and send me how to email you and i'll send it to you..glad you like it so much...........isn't it great, it's even in my truck and I listen to it all the time now..and can't get this silly grin off my face.....I look as happy as a hog in a mud hole...thanks glyn

Well, well, well!

Talk about a success story. Glynda, Derek, Caroline and of course the indomitable Mike, you have every right to be proud of this one. It seems like everyone literally stretched themselves to take this song to a supreme height.

As has been noted, it truly does capture the essence of the prison experience (or at least as I "know" it). I was a huge follower of the now-cancelled HBO prison series "Oz"....and this would have been the perfect theme song. Gritty, sad, powerful, frightening....you've managed to convey all of these feelings in spectacular fashion.

Mike, understanding the physical toll this clearly took on you, I'm so delighted that you're happy with the outcome. You're sort of like the marathoner who just needs to get over that last hill...and you're struggling....but the crowd sees this and cheers you on and their enthusiasm helps you cross that finish line.

Finally Glynda...I'm especially pleased for you. These accolades are the result of Good Karma. And Catharsis. And The Beginning of a Happy and Productive Chapter in Your Life. You've done enough "time" behind bars...so glad you've at last been "parolled".... (figuratively speaking, of course...).

Just try not to bump heads when you all take another bow....

Best of luck,
Beth

Yes,we're al..,,,,////dang it Caroline, git over, this is my curtain call...Derek get off my foot.....ok now , i've got them outta da way..thank you so much Beth, this one has been a long awaited one. but it was worth the wait...but, like i've said before it took all of us to end up with this song..you can ask everyone, when they get my rough drafts, they want to throw their hands up, they're too long and don't even rhyme and Caroline and Derek and Louis and Janis has all been there for me..and I'm very lucky that they don't throw me in the river...without all of these wonderful people my stuff would still be just on a piece of paper,but they work them over and make them into beautiful songs..and yes, I am very thankful....ok Derek, you can unlock that door and let Caroline out......thanks glyn Ok I for sure can not forget Mr. Mike Caro and Heather too......glyn gotta run, here comes C and she ain't happy..............

Well done to everyone in making this excellent song, but especially to Mike because I can tell you really had dig deep to get this one out because of your health problems, and you are a very inspirational person.

PS. I was watching my soccer team - Spurs - play the other week against our London rivals West Ham. It was 0-0 at half time, and on came that song again - All Together Now - with Mike Caro on guitar. I knew we'd win then, and we did 2-0.

Never give up!

Lucian