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#625666 - 06/14/08 03:50 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: dannyjames]  
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Well.. that should put that issue (i.e. the number of plays being outside of the judging system) to rest. Thanks Danny.


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#626022 - 06/16/08 12:21 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: dannyjames]  
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Daniel from OurStage here. Every song is judged but you're not guarenteed to get a song, even if you do lots of battles. They get distributed across lots of different judgers. That songs on the bottom stay on the bottom, are generally an indication of the fan preference. But you can't determine the judging fairness based only on the songs you are presented to judge.


OK
Then I guess I have truly misjudged my song and so have the other follks below 157th in the Southern Rock Channel.
The 157th song is a spoken announcement from (I assume) ourstage introducing the new channel.
My song is ranked worse than that announcement and has been since the Day I uploaded it. I guess I was right. I am wasting my time.
I think I might be better off somewhere else.
Thanks for the opportunity.

For those of you doing well, Good luck

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#626034 - 06/16/08 01:48 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Bill,

I think you could take another approach and ask why the songs aren't doing that well. I just listened to the 3 track you have posted. The problem is the vocals just aren't as good as the songs that are doing well. I've said here over and over that if you don't have at least an above average vocal, even on a demo, you're making it nearly impossible for anyone to love your work. (that includes publishers, labels, artists you want to work with or fans). Sure.. in a few cases a song might be so amazing that folks will still connect, but it's like starting a 100 yard dash 90 yards behind everyone else.

Before you take offense to this, there's a huge number of great writers out there who aren't great vocalists. And there's also a lot of singers who are limited that have to be very careful what they sing and when. If you're determined to be an artist, I'd suggest finding songs (or writing songs) that fit your vocal abilities more effectively than those 3. (the song in Contemporary is the closest to working, but that song is hardly "soft rock/contemporary" (which I would consider to be artists like Barry Manilow, The Carpenters, Bread etc.) so it's really out of genre). If you're not stuck on being an artist, then look for some folks who can sing the material you want to write better than you can. Worry less about a full demo and more about finding the right voice to present your work alongside a guitar track. That will get you WAY farther along.

Giving up or leaving simply because you aren't getting the approval you seek is a bad idea if you truly seek approval. Instead you need to learn what it is you're not doing right to connect to folks. You also shouldn't take it personally because very few if any of those voting even know who you are, so it's not personal in any way. If, on the other hand, you could care less what others think about your music, then why get annoyed when you don't rank well? Either way, I don't think your response makes a lot of sense. You've always struck me as someone who wants to get better and find ways to reach listeners and make them want more. Why not use this as a tool (of many) to do just that?

Remember.. there are almost no judges who are screening on the basis of whether you can writer a good song. If they are turned off by a vocal, they are never going to listen long enough to make that determination. And that is an honest and real world hurdle that everyone has to get over to find success or an audience for their work. Those that say recording quality, or far more importantly, vocal performance quality, don't mean anything are likely either selling you something or unaware of reality in this very competitive business.

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#626042 - 06/16/08 02:26 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Something about a competition...everyone wants to be the winner.

But there's always only one, and then there's a huge pile of great tunes and songwriting right behind. I still see the value of this place being in getting heard...not the number you achieve.

Hey, I just got another number one on Soundclick! For some reason, no major label has contacted me to congratulate me on that...what's up with that?

I'll keep putting songs up, but not because I'm expecting to win. If I did, I'd be whooping it up...but the reason I put songs up is to get them heard and to see how they fly. I'm glad this place is there.

#626044 - 06/16/08 02:28 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I am not offended at all
But lets face it...They are voting a spoken announcement by Ourstage Higher than my song. that's pretty sad.
I am not a performer. I am not a singer. They don't have a songwriter channel. They have a singer/songwriter channel.
If the voters are only interested in great vocals or great production then I guess I am not going to do well there.
If they are interested in good lyrics or good story songs I might have a chance but we all know lyrics are usually at the bottom of the list.
I have a couple songs that are demos with excellent vocalists but I am reluctant to put them up because they are Demos, not masters.
The legal issue is still there. I don't think it is legal to earn money from a demo so I don't put them up.

As far as the position of my song in Southern Rock....well if it is that bad...so bad that it cannot even compete with an announcement by Ourstage(Hungry Channels)..... well then I do not deserve to be there.
I at least sing on key and can carry a tune. There are songs on there where the singers are so bad I cringe when I listen to them. Or the recording is so bad you cannot even understand the vocals. But that is just my opinion. You cannot argue with the vote. It is what it is.


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#626046 - 06/16/08 02:43 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Hey Bill,

Take heart mate. My current entry in Comtemporary did so badly at the bottom of the pile that I pulled it. And apart from the song itself, that song has a top notch vocalist.

Some songs work, some don't. Don't sweat it, it doesn't mean too much in the big scheme of things. Ourstage is a good tool, but not the only one.

Try another song. Rework one over with a better vocalist. ( I can't sing for sh*t, so I'm allowed to say that ) Just take it in your stride, and go write another one. But use Ourstage for what it is, it's a usefull resource.

cheers, niteshift

#626047 - 06/16/08 02:55 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: niteshift]  
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And I bet the Beatles left a few in the can. LOL.


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#626106 - 06/16/08 11:14 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Andrew Aversa]  
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So getting back to the original topic at hand:

Where does your song rank on Ourstage and what categories are you entered in? JPF members have won 3 straight $5000 dollar grand prizes, 2 of which are posters here on the boards. Let's go for 4 in a row!

Brian


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#626118 - 06/16/08 12:02 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Roll Daddy Roll 147th in Indie Rock (out of 790)
Sitting By The Fire 275th in Country (out of 425)
Town On The Edge 380th in Americana / Alt Country (out of 509 )
Hey American Dream 587th in Alt. Rock (out of 1012)

I'm probably in the same boat as Bill -- my vox are not winning any fans (and Bill stays on key better than I do!). It would be nice to find a local vocalist to do some lead singing for me, but I haven't looked very hard yet.

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#626130 - 06/16/08 12:54 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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In the interest in continued participation I will post my results to date.

One Hell of a Good Storm
Southern Rock 160 out of 163
This is really a let down. I thought this a good song.It had good reviews by a couple publishers, Song-U, and a couple Pro critiques.

Remember Me
Country 271 out of 425
But...gets played quite a lot.

Girls With Big Boy Toys
Contemporary/Soft Rock 451 out of 670
Surprising me I thought the title would elicit more plays.

Crazy Redhead Woman
Acoustic 589 out of 807
Another surprise this one went to #1 on Soundclick. Maybe wrong channel?

Yesterday So Many Years Ago
Americana 345 out of 530
Another surprise..I thought this one would do better. It has been favorited tho.

This Would be His Last Time.
Singer/ songwriter 724 out of 1022
Another bit of a surprise. I did think it would do better. But I think it may be in the wrong channel. This is a gritty song. Tough subject.
It has been favorited too.

Well at least I am kind of in the middle on a couple A bit below Average ain't bad for an old man with no training. Ha!

To be quite Honest I thought I would do better. I never expected to win but I also did not expect to be this low.
I have done better on other sites...Curious.

I'd still like to know how many times these come up for judging and who is judging. Is it FANS or PEERS.

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#626138 - 06/16/08 01:18 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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"Thanks Again" Southern Rock/Blues 57 out of 163
"The Border Song" Folk 116 out of 437
"Perfect Day" Acoustic 139 out of 807
"Broken Mother's Prayer" Country 261 out of 425

I agree with Brian about people voting based on vocal performance quality; however, I would add that I'm glad Bob Dylan and Neil Young weren't just cast aside because of their vocals.

Eric


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I've got one song, "Papa Hawg" that's 22nd in instrumental now. It was up to 5, dropped back to 93, and has moved up again.

Another song, "Graduation" is 183rd in New Age/World.


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#626155 - 06/16/08 01:46 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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"Eldorado" - 56th in Indie Rock
"All I See Is You" - 91st in Folk
"Johnny Put Your Gun Down" - 112th in Hard Rock
"Twenty Chickens for a Saddle" - 196th in Country

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I just checked on mine for the first time....
"C'mon Big Brother" is 53rd on Southern/Blues Rock
and "I Need A Lover, Not A Mother" is 149th in Americana/ Alt Country. It's a START I guess.

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#626739 - 06/18/08 06:57 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Bob Cushing]  
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I'd love to win that 5 G's....I could finish my CD no problem....It's in a holding pattern now........

Anyways New York City Cowboy has been "stuck" consistently for 2 weeks in the 40's & 30's till the last 2 days it's been 'stuck" at #28............It was #1 for most of 1 day earlier in the month and fell to where it stands today

With 6 days to go I'm afraid it's pretty much topped out...and will stay in this vicinity...

For the songs first month in the contest I guess that's good...I believe once fans are familiar with the tune they vote accordingly....






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#626824 - 06/19/08 12:41 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Steve Altonian]  
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Currently I'm focusing on these two:

Peace On Earth - 32 out of 522 in Instrumental

Suave Lluvia (Gentle Rain) - 113 out of 283 in New Age / World

They might be do better if I switched them around, placing "Peace On Earth" in New Age/World and Suave Lluvia into the Instrumental channel. I noticed a lot of songs in Instrumental sounding like they could do well in the New Age/World channel.

On July 1st I might try switching these songs around, but first I'll see how this month goes.


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"Come On Katy" has been hovering around #10 on the Newport Folk channel for about a week now, after slowly climbing up from an initial #200 or so. Fingers crossed... wink

"If I Had A Nickel" has been sitting at #58 or so for a couple weeks, after a pretty lousy finish last month.


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#626963 - 06/19/08 07:35 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Shandy]  
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I didn't realize you had stuff upt here Shandy. FYI, I think the Newport thing may already have run it's course in terms of getting a slot at Newport. But it's still a viable channel for the contest overall.

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#626989 - 06/19/08 09:35 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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I sent a message to Ourstage querying a policy of allowing multiple entries. It would appear that some people trying to beat this are withdrawing an entry midway through the month perhaps because it is not doing too well and replacing it with another. I think this is unfair. I have stated before that entries should all be made prior to the start of the month and then all voted on equally for that month's duration. This is the reply that I got back.



"Thanks for the feedback.

People can remove something that is in competition, but cannot replace it.
When they remove it, they lose any ranking they had, up to that point. If they resubmit to the same channel during the course of the month, that new item starts with "0" zero ranking and our ranking engine will serve it up to catch it up with other items in that channel to give it an equal chance of competing, so we do not penalize or prevent artists from starting over during
the month."

I think this is very unfair and spoils the voting system and its engine. It should be stopped immediately so all entries start at the same time and are on a level playing field. Unless I have picked things up wrongly late entries do according to this reply play catchup and get more battles in a shorter period of time so they can compete equally. Where is the equality in allowing people two or more bites at the cherry then allow them more voting opportunities to catchup songs that have been there all month.

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Jim,

It's fair if everyone gets to play by the same rules. Rather than be pissed about it, use it to your advantage as well. At some point folks are going to have to realize that there is no pleasing everyone. No matter what rules or system you use, there will ALWAYS be people who disagree with it and are unhappy. So at some point, they need to do what is best for their own interests, and if that turns you off, then you'll need to do the same. But as long as everyone can do the same thing, it's not really an unfair advantage.

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Those late entries would only catch up to songs that have been there all month if they are voted more favorably.

I pulled a song out one month that was doing poorly. I entered another one instead. It tanked. No advantage.

No advantage...unless it's seen to be excellent. And if it was, it would only have done better had it been entered earlier.

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Well, It looks like "C'mon Big Brother" is the fan favorite among the songs I've entered. It's now 43rd in Southern/Blues Rock after a week or so.WHOO HOO!{LOL}


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I just joined this very cool site and uploaded 3 songs yesterday. So there hasn't been much time for them to be heard. At the moment, here is what I have:

"Band of Brothers" - 431st in Folk
"Agincourt" - 784th in Acoustic
"Fifty Miles Into The Main" - 507th in Americana/Alt Country

I suspect this is normal for the first 20 hours or so, no?

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I couldn't join as "Ken Theriot!" I wanted to ask if anyone else had this problem. The site has someone else already on there with that name (very weird), but there is no profile for that name. So I had to be "Ken Theriot 1."

I doubt there are that many other musicians named Ken Theriot, but Imay be wrong.

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Ken, joining later in the month hurts your chances at success. At the beginning of each month, because I enter prior to the 1st, my songs are almost always top 20 or top 30 in the early days. Also if you said a profile doesn't exist for "Ken Theriot" but you were not able to use it, it sounds like you tried to register but the registration got canceled, or something to that effect. Message OurStage about it.


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Originally Posted by Andrew Aversa
Ken, joining later in the month hurts your chances at success. At the beginning of each month, because I enter prior to the 1st, my songs are almost always top 20 or top 30 in the early days. Also if you said a profile doesn't exist for "Ken Theriot" but you were not able to use it, it sounds like you tried to register but the registration got canceled, or something to that effect. Message OurStage about it.


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Well, "Papa Hawg" on the instrumental channel, slipped all the way down to the nineties, but now it's back at 26 with two days to go. Fun stuff, this OurStage!


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#627393 - 06/21/08 07:08 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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I'm in the same boat with "Funky Music" currently at No 20 in cover bands. It would be nice to get top twenty slots in two consecutive months with two different songs.

#627486 - 06/22/08 04:02 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Michael Borges' wonderful tune "Peace on Earth" is number five in instrumentals, and my "Papa Hawg" is at number eight. There are less than two days left. The suspense builds!


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#627546 - 06/22/08 11:53 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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I have pulled all my songs from competition except One Hell of a Good Storm. I moved it to Country. It entered at 426 and had not moved for four days then went to 424.
I am still curios how some songs enter in the top 20 and others start at the bottom. What determines start position?
Also the number of plays on the songs I entered this month disappeared when I removed the songs. It seems they only get counted if the song is in competition. Why is that if the plays have nothing to do with the competition?


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#627558 - 06/22/08 12:19 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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Bill I am keeping an eye on Ourstage but will probably not enter next month. I do not like some of the rules and I think there are serious issues with the way the program is running. Today the last day of judging before Q finals a whole host of new entries have joined. When judging they are appearing all the time. This catchup is not fair these songs come up many many times in the last day. people who have been voting all month now are only getting mostly the new songs. With that it is easy to jack up the positions. I am also noting that the site keeps crashing again what effect is this having on fair judging.

#627559 - 06/22/08 12:28 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Hey Big Jim

Wow hope I'm not part of the problem lol. I entered my most recent song and it started at 1180 it's up to 1138 now. I'm not sure I entered at this right time for it to ever be competitive ; however, I also find that the number of genre's is quite limited. I would classify my entry as classic rock; however, there isn't a clsssic rock category and listening to the other stuff in rock I listened to sounded nothing like my entry so I get the feeling mine will go almost completely ignored as a result. I did this as a test and if my song never reaches above the thousand mark I don't think I'll be entering again lol. There are certainly some issues. Overall I like the idea, it just seems there are still some bugs to work out!
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#627574 - 06/22/08 01:08 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Derek Hines]  
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Hi Derek You have just about summed it up. There appears to be many probs regarding just about everything from unfair rules to genre probs which do not fit the songs and the discrepancy in size between the different ones plus the way entries are made. There are also many issues regarding the software the site uses and how it does not appear to be working very well. I think it is a great site and could be much improved but it needs a lot of work and time. They listen to feedback but a lot of the time no proper fix is available.

#627579 - 06/22/08 01:26 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Hey Guys,

Regarding the limited genres on Ourstage, I emailed them the other day and asked them to put in a bluegrass genre--listening to both the acoustic and folk channels, I've heard a lot of what sounds more like bluegrass. Plus, most of my band's songs sound bluegrassy, so I had a difficult time finding channels in which to enter them. They did get back to me and say that they'd look into it.

I gotta agree about the number of plays being related to the competition. I know Ourstage says that's not the case; however, we have on song in Tropical, which only has about 65 entries. It's gotten over a thousand plays, whereas our songs in the larger channels have gotten around a hundred or so plays. To me, that correlation is obvious because there's just no way that over a thousand people have just searched that song out on their own in the last month.

Eric

#627616 - 06/22/08 03:38 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Eric Baker]  
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The answer to this question about plays is probably due to people checking the positions before voting. This counts as a play. It stands to reason that tactical voters will check the competitions position before saying what song is better in an attempt to boost their song and devalue other songs. It is easier to do in categories that have only a few songs as opposed to thousands. I have noticed that many songs are deliberately being entered in a totally wrong genre because it has less entries. We should report all of these off topic songs so this practice is stopped. There must be a way of subdividing genres so that each category has roughly the same amount of entries.

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#627621 - 06/22/08 04:13 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Big Jim I don't have any problem with Ourstage. They can run it however they want. They don't charge anything.
My decision to pull my songs were personal.

I still see covers in the channels that I reported and they are still there two weeks later. I don't think that's right but it is not up to me. It is there site to run as they wish.
I don't think they care too much for country, LOL.


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#627808 - 06/23/08 10:59 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Bill Robinson]  
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I have a problem with the lack of sub-genres. My main interest is country and gospel. There is but one heading for country and one for gospel. That would mean a country gospel song would be competing with a rap or hard rock gospel. Or bluegrass country could be up against pop country or western swing.

I won't be entering so many songs this month, there is no place to place them.

#627898 - 06/23/08 04:45 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Everett Adams]  
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A friend of mine pointed out this site to me last month. I didn't join then because I am already on a few of these type of sites and I don't really want to whore myself to every community/artist site out there.

However, since it is a partner of JPF, I joined today.

I am not going to prod or poke at all. We can use me as a test case. We'll see what happens with my rankings:

http://www.ourstage.com/fanclub/manoreza


#627929 - 06/23/08 07:38 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: manoreza]  
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Everett,

They have a pretty large number of genres already and as they can accomodate them, they add more. Country also has Americana and Folk which certainly are border genres. I know they've discussed having Bluegrass, but then where do you put Roots and Swing and (on and on). We have 100 genres in the JPF awards... and they have over 40 in their contests. Even we find folks not happy with the numbers we have. As they have enough quality material to expand, they will. The more the merrier for them remember, as they want site traffic.

I was doing a little research and found that they are, in fact, getting a huge amount of site traffic. This was from an independent source. And on top of that, the traffic they get doesn't seem to be musicians much as a percentage, which is what people should want if they hope to reach fans. So it seems to me that they're finding the success they are wanting. And they have no reason not to have 200 genres if they can support them with enough quality entries. So give them time to grow.

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#628018 - 06/24/08 03:06 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Well, "Papa Hawg," a fingerpick guitar instrumental, made it to the semi-finals in the "Instrumental" category. Now, all it has to do is win that and then win the finals smile


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#628060 - 06/24/08 08:39 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Well done Mike. My cover of Play That Funky Music scraped in and is currently at #12 in cover bands.

#628100 - 06/24/08 11:24 AM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Hey, my "Come On Katy" is sitting at #3 in the Newport Folk channel...


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#628115 - 06/24/08 12:35 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Shandy]  
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I entered one of my songs ("Getting Started Part 1") in the JVC Jazz Festival Newport contest (I have been to this festival a couple of times and I love it, it would be a dream to actually play it).

I'm listening to the songs at the top of the chart for this category and I have to admit...they are really good!

#628120 - 06/24/08 12:47 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: manoreza]  
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I made it with two songs in the quarterfinals! "Drum and Bossa" in Instrumental, and "Rainforest Majesty" in New Age/World. I noticed Big Jim is in the quarters as well. Grats man.


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#628162 - 06/24/08 04:32 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: niteshift]  
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Hi Niteshift,

The rules with songs are as follows:

Can be moved from a channel if its off-topic
Might not auto-rollover to the next month if it doesn't rank in the Top 50%

You can always enter a song into a channel again, as long is it hasn't been flagged as off-topic for that channel.


Originally Posted by niteshift
Hey Bill,

Take heart mate. My current entry in Comtemporary did so badly at the bottom of the pile that I pulled it. And apart from the song itself, that song has a top notch vocalist.

#628165 - 06/24/08 04:42 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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We took the approach we did because we didn't want folks to enter and then "forget". So to address it we invested in the technology to make sure that withdraws don't help and that all content is given an equal # of listens. There is no advantage to one strategy vs. another this way and keeps the artist and fan engaged.

Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
I sent a message to Ourstage querying a policy of allowing multiple entries. It would appear that some people trying to beat this are withdrawing an entry midway through the month perhaps because it is not doing too well and replacing it with another. I think this is unfair.

#628167 - 06/24/08 04:49 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Eric Baker]  
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FYI...Bluegrass IS the next channel to launch. Stay tuned.
Originally Posted by ebaker68


Regarding the limited genres on Ourstage, I emailed them the other day and asked them to put in a bluegrass genre--listening to both the acoustic and folk channels, I've heard a lot of what sounds more like bluegrass. Plus, most of my band's songs sound bluegrassy, so I had a difficult time finding channels in which to enter them. They did get back to me and say that they'd look into it.

#628168 - 06/24/08 04:57 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Hi there,

We do review all off topic complaints. We also do our own proactive checking. Sometimes we have to allow for some "close fit" songs because we allow the artists to decide an don't pre-screen items. There are laws governing user generated content sites such as OurStage that necessitate this practice. That said, overall, artists aren't a great judge of their own genre. We do the best we can to strike this delicate balance between "ideal" and "practical". That said, please do flag anything you consider Off Topic so we can review.

Originally Posted by BIG JIM MERRILEES
We should report all of these off topic songs so this practice is stopped. There must be a way of subdividing genres so that each category has roughly the same amount of entries.

#628174 - 06/24/08 05:32 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: dannyjames]  
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Well, "Papa Hawg" is now number 3. It was number 2 this morning. Again, this is a lot of fun. Danny, you guys are carrying out an amazing task, and you're very responsive to the community here. Thanks for the good work.

Mike


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#628197 - 06/24/08 07:53 PM Re: So Where Does Your Song Rank On Ourstage? [Re: Mike Dunbar]  
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Thanks Danny for your feedback. It is encouraging to note that we are being listened to and action is being taken to improve the Ourstage site. I think it is still pretty neat despite my complaints. I am only vocalising my concerns and suggesting ways to improve.


Congrats to all other JPFs who made the Q finals.

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