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Are we the JPF Randy, Paula, and Simon or what? wink

Since I have a lot of R&B background, I'll go "David Cook was the dawg, dude!"

Interesting how we each saw/heard different things...

I think we all agreed that Luke should go home asap.

Danny N seems to be the wildcard with Vicki saying he's really bad, I'm in the middle, and Brian saying he's pretty good.

Chikezie - Vicki thought he was good, Brian thought he was only so-so, and I thought he was consistently below average.

For the girls, we'll see. Kady and Amanda need to show some serious stuff tonight IMHO.


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That's the weird thing about this year. In previous years we saw some average singers maxing out their potential and their personalities at least part of the time so it kept things interesting. But this year, we have pretty much all great singers (except Jason Castro who's the most limited in either group) but very weak personalities. These are very boring people for the most part. That's why I like Danny N. Sadly, I doubt he has much of a shot against the crowd favorites. I'd be very surprised if Luke wasn't gone.. and then it will come down to Danny or Chikezie. I'd rather see Chikezie go because we know he's going to schlep out another R&B performance.. but with Danny.. who the hell can predict. And if he ever puts it all together, he'll shock some people. (And he's just as likely to create the biggest train wreck in Idol history.. which makes him fun). And as oppossed to Sanjaya, Danny has BIG vocal upside.

I'm totally blown away by how a little disney charisma can fake so many people out about David A.'s in tune and breathy but very limited vocals. I haven't enjoyed any of his performances so far and he bores me. And I think the more everyone raves about him, the less I like him.

As for Kristi Lee, Joe, I agree she has a big upside, but often doesn't reach it. Right now she is 6th on AOL, but it's going to come down to her, Amanda and Kady most likely. I'd prefer to see Amanda stay because she's interesting, but she's by the most vocally limited of those 2 and the least comfortable with the camera and attention. Since Carly has grabbed the rock slot over her (just as David Cook has on the male side) she's going to have a lot of trouble sticking around. She needs to NAIL it tonight or she's likely gone. I've disliked Kady from the first show, though she can potentially sing well, she's really unlikable. Perhaps the 2 blondes will split the vote and allow Amanda to slip in. We'll see.

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Actually - I felt like this was the best week so far for the guys.

David Cook definitely gets some props for taking a Lionel Ritchie ballad and making it his own rock tune. And Jason Castro for not hiding behind the guitar this week.

Luke should pack his bags...


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I think they should book Kady as a regular on SNL and she can play the part of all the snotty rich bitchs. She is such a character that it almost seems like she is putting us on. When she is playing somebody else I like her- great imitations. Maybe she should just pretend she is nice. Last week she was so sure she was going to be booted, that she did a double take!


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this morning I noticed on youtube one of the most popular videos was an obscene Christmas wish by Danny Noriega


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here's my take on the guys, the top guys are:
1) DAVID ARCHULETA
2) MICHAEL JOHNS
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4) DAVID HERNANDEZ

I think DANNY NORIEGA is going to be this seasons Sanjaya, he's likely to draw the spoiler votes and may last longer than people think he should.


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Originally Posted by Lwilliam
Are we the JPF Randy, Paula, and Simon or what? wink

Since I have a lot of R&B background, I'll go "David Cook was the dawg, dude!"

Interesting how we each saw/heard different things...

I think we all agreed that Luke should go home asap.

Danny N seems to be the wildcard with Vicki saying he's really bad, I'm in the middle, and Brian saying he's pretty good.

Chikezie - Vicki thought he was good, Brian thought he was only so-so, and I thought he was consistently below average.

For the girls, we'll see. Kady and Amanda need to show some serious stuff tonight IMHO.



It is interesting how we hear different things, isn't it? I've been trying to listen to vocal quality only but it is hard to assess in the moment without having several performances to watch. I'm more impressed (vocally) with those who use whatever they have well, than those who are pushing & straining to 'be' something.


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I agree that folks who know their voices and use them well make better artists. But people act like David A. is the next coming of the musical messiah or something. It's scarily similar to the frenzy over Barak Obama. But when you evaluate his actual voice... it's the same breathy sameness on all his performances so far. Very little actual range. I can't figure out what people think they are hearing.

Jason Castro should be cast in the TV remake of Welcome Back Kotter as Vinnie Barbarino. He has Travolta's eyes and stupified demeanor down pat.

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So do you think that David A was a "one hit wonder" with Imagine, or did you not like that one either?

I agree that he better show that he can keep up with the others, and David Cook showed he's going to be a serious competitor last night. I think he is David A's main competition so far. Michael is pretty good, but hasn't blown me away with either his song selection/arrangement brilliance, or with his vocal chops. I think David H is not quite up to Idol performance grade. Certainly none of the others are.

I don't think any of the others have given an "idol-worthy" performance yet.

For the guys, I think it will be down to David A and David C, with Michael running a close 3rd.


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I think it's interesting how we see things differently too...

I loved David A's first performances...but I thought last night was so so... I felt..(unlike Simon)..that his start on the piano
made him slightly uncomfortable and that's where I think He lost a bit of his confidence. I loved his first vocals but not last night.

I liked David Cooks...and the Aussie, Michael Johns...I also
Liked David H's...vocals...and I think there is a very genuine
but (shy) likeability with Jason. I liked his performance last night.

Gal wise?..I hope Amanda can stay...but I think she's uncomfortable with all the ....back stage behind the camera goings on. I think she's great when she sings an Amanda song.

Kady?..GRRRRRRRR...I totally agree with Brian there... Her attitude...well her attitude may do her a favor if she sings all songs...where she can use a spoiled brat's attitude.....and let it shine through...

I like the rest of the gals...and I'm not sure who I like best .......still undecided there.

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I didn't like the Imagine performance either. In fact, I thought that was his most over-rated performance so far. I didn't feel it at all and couldn't get why everyone is raving about it. He didn't do any justice to it that I could hear.

I really think it's akin to Obama fever. I can't help but compare the two.

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Well, it's a huge likeability factor as mentioned and bringing something different to a performance.

For guys this week I liked best: David Cook & Jason Castro

It's just something about the emotion they brought to it that made it work for me.

For girls this week I liked best: Amanda and Brooke

Amanda was real. Brooke, I don't know. Just something about it that I enjoyed. She's very likeable, ya know?

It's amazing to me that many of the AI contestants can have great voices, but do nothing to inspire. Maybe it's because they're really not thinking about the song and its message. They're watching themselves from the inside out...

Anyway, it is interesting to read everybody's reactions! Kinda fun! I still like David Hernandez...there's lots of potential there...we all have to have our favorites, no?


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All the girls tonight did reasonably well. A couple are safe I guess, but the rest....? I wouldn't be surprised if any of the other 6 go. Who knows?? .....the great unwashed masses are now deciding!


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I actually watched the show tonight with my kids instead of catching it the next day on youtube clips. (Wish Virginia had given Duke a better game since that was what I was watching during all the commercials.)

So which two do you think are safe? Nothing would suprise me about who gets voted off for the ladies.

I thought Amanda really rocked tonight - but a Joan Jett tune with no range is kinda wimpy for a singing competition. Hope she stays for a few more weeks anyway. And my daughter called in a vote for her. smile

Carly had a solid performances. I have to agree with Simon when he tells the girls to leave the Celine and Whitney numbers alone. If you don't have a 6 octave range with power from top to bottom and effortless transitions throughout then its going to come off as a lesser copy. If I didn't have the Celine version to compare to I'd probably be impressed.

Kristy was also solid. I don't think a guy could get away with the softer version of the Journey/Steve Perry tune but for Kristy the country lilt works.

Syesha and Asia'h (where do they get these names???) were reasonable but never had that moment where they put the song over - and they were singing tunes that have it built in. But again, they gave you Whitney Houston performances as the benchmark to miss. And Syesha missed big time with the head voice transitions.

Ramiele gave her best performance to date (one more name to wonder about but I understand this one came from the Phillipines) but never kicked the emotion into overdrive on her version of Against All Odds.

Brooke took a real chance with doing a Pat Benetar song and keeping it soft and acoustic. For me it didn't work. But I think it was good enough to make it hers and keep her hanging around.

Kady's version of Forever was awful - nobody really seems to be able to sell a Freddie Mercury performance but this wasn't even close.

So, to summarize: I'd send Kady home, and Syesha gets to go with her (for serving up those grating head voice "for you" notes that only a 20 year old Whitney Houston could do properly.)


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The way I do it is score them 1-10 as I watch. Then at the end I may bump each of them 1 point either way, but not often. I give 10's when I don't think they could have done the song much better. Here is tonight's tally for me (in order of appearance):

1. Asiah Epperson - 10 - I thought she did really well on this; maybe her personality is infectious to me. I just like her, even if she's not that popular.

2. Kady Malloy - 6 - worst performance of the night. She's gone.

3. Amanda Overmyer - 9 - strong rocker tonight, back in form; I don't know if she's Idol-quality though. She's lacking a strong personality and connection with the audience at this point. She IS the favorite "underdog", so will be with us a while.

4. Carly Smithson - 10 - not her best performance, but a consistently above average performer

5. Kristy Lee Cook - 7 - I thought it was still pitchy, although better than last week; she hasn't grabbed me yet. Like Simon said, "not memorable".

6. Ramiele Malubay - 8 - I just like this little girl and thought she did good tonight. However, she missed a HUGE opportunity to connect with the audience when Ryan wanted her to talk about how much the tune meant to her and she declined. It showed immaturity, which may hurt her vote count.

7. Brooke White - 7 - I don't see what all the fuss is about this girl; she's pitchy and lacks much vocal technique. She does have a sparkly personality which must be winning fans for her, 'cause she's NOT a great singer.

8. Syesha Mercado - 10 - Except for a couple of notes near the beginning, I thought she nailed the Whitney tune. I thought it was the strongest performance of the night. It was the only one that really grabbed me anyways.

Going home: Kady Malloy for sure, and probably Asia'h Epperson, although I think Ramiele may now be on thin ice.


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It'll be interesting to see who wins this year.

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Hey Larry, what is it your smoking as you watch? hahahah.

The three strongest (based solely on the performance last night)

Syesha Mercado: Though she's no Whitney, she's as close as any of these AI contestants are going to get. And she's got huge charisma. I've felt she was one of the best from the start and tonight she gave us a peak of what she is capable of. Hopefully she doesn't split votes with Asia'h and get squeezed out early.
Amanda Overmyer: She HAD to nail this performance to have any chance to stay in the game. And she did. But she's also sadly just not good enough to really contend and she could still go home tonight.
Brooke White: I don't really think she's that great, but I have to give her credit for taking a song and making it her own. She's very limited in her range (like Jason Castro is on the guys side) but like him, she knows how to stay in her range. On a weak night, she was third best.

The Three worst of the night

Kady Malloy: Finally this useless nasty woman will be gone.
Kristy Lee Cook: The country lilt was okay, but it just showed us how much better it COULD have been if someone like Carrie Underwood had done the same performance. She's close but not there.
Asia'h Epperson: She also tried Whitney, but unlike Syesha, it was clear she was not even close to being in the league with Whitney OR Syesha. I think there's only room for one or the other and Asia'h is much weaker and less charismatic.

The Also Rans:

Carly Smithson: She's on auto-pilot. She'll be in the final 4 but this performance was weak. She hit the notes, but would any of you really buy that record or want to see that in concert? I sure wouldn't. It's time for her to stop cruising and do something great. She's a big under-achiever.
Ramiele Mulabay: It started off great (she's the only one who can sing in the low range and also hit the high notes) but she totally didn't connect to the song or get across any of the emotion that Phil Collins did. Isn't it funny how much we should all appreciate Phil Collins.. that drummer turned vocalist who all these power divas try to match but can't? It sure makes him look great.

So who should and will go home?

I think we can all agree that Kady is toast finally. The other selection is a crap shoot. On AOL the bottom 2 are Kady and Kristi Lee. Since they're splitting the blonde votes, they could cancel each other out and both be gone. I think Asia'h is another one that is a lesser of a similar match up with Syesha. Sadly, though Amanda did great and moved up on AOL to 6th place for the first time, she's definitely in danger as well. Did anyone else hear Ryan say "be prepared for the biggest shocker ever" or something to that effect? That would imply they know one of the favorite guys is going home. (Hopefully they don't already know which woman is going before the voting starts..) If there was a shocker on the guys side I'd say Michael Johns would be it. He's been pretty lame 2 weeks in a row and with David Cook raising his game, that's possible.

The final 12 is a big career step for these folks. And the top 10 means they stay involved through the end of the season and beyond on the tour. It would suck bad to get cut this particular week if you didn't deserve it. We have a lot of media favorites which are getting unfair attention and unfair boosts by the judges. If we removed that and voted fairly without the hype, this would be one of the most up in the air AI's ever. Sadly, they seem to be fixing and manipulating it to go the way they want. Ah well.. that's television.

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Hey Brian, are we really THAT far apart? Points of agreement:

1. Kady & Asia'h will probably go home.
2. 2 of the 3 worst were Kady and Kristy (I added Brooke, you said Asia'h)

(LOL) Here's where I think you're smokin' what I passed on:

1. You say Amanda was one of the best 3, but then say she may go home (I disagree that she'll go home because of the VFTW vote). I think Amanda adds flavor to the competition in the same way that Sanjaya did - entertaining, but not that talented.

2. You say Brooke was one of the top 3, but agree with me that she's not that great. IMHO, she has a bit of that squeaky-clean Disneyesque personality that kind of grates on me. It's TOO much.

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Larry,

I am mostly kidding of course. But I do think your perfect 10 rating of Asia'h and Carly is a bit puzzling. Asia'h exposed she's not in Syesha's league and Carly underchieved and put in a performance that no one with an open mind would really want to buy or hear again.

We all know that having the best performance in a given week doesn't mean you won't go home. You have to watch voting trends and know that folks typically lock into their favorite(s) so the favorite usually remain at the top of the vote pile. The only way to gain ground is to win over the voters from the last exile. But that won't usually be enough to catch you up to the top ones. That's why it's clear that David A. and Carly S. are going to sail into the final 4 no matter what they do between now and then. Ramiele is up there as well as Michael Johns on AOL. John's has so underperformed (and the guy can sing.. I've known that for 6 years) but he might slip some with the rise of David Cook. So right now, it's at least 50% likely that David A. and Carly S. make the final 4. And the judges know that and will be only so happy to be on those bandwagons to look as smart as possible near the end. I think Carly has the voice to deserve it.. David only has the charisma.

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Are you saying I'm playing fast and loose with my 10's? (LOL!)

We shall see what we shall see....

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Here's how I rated them, from top to bottom:

CARLY SMITHSON
I’ve read the comments that are cynical about Carly being in this competition that say the judges are pushing her to be one of the finalists. I have to say, though, that IMO she is a good singer. I thought the song was set a little low – I don’t like hearing someone gravel around in the low notes so they can sing out on the top, I think we should strive for balance. However, I definitely felt she pulled it off.

ASIA’H EPPERSON
I didn’t like the song choice, myself. However, I thought she showed good tone and depth, and a little range. I think she has to be careful not to sing in the throat. Her voice needs to come forward, and show more brightness. This can be achieved by making sure you have rounded shapes on vowels. When you put too much weight in the middle voice, and sing with wide shapes, the colour of the voice gets darker. The extra weight in the middle voice makes it more difficult to go up, or the change is resonance as you go up becomes too obvious. The trick is to sing the low and middle notes lightly, brightly, so that you can negotiate the change in registers more effectively… and sound like you have one voice from top to bottom.

AMANDA OVERMEYER
I find it difficult to rate Amanda against the rest of the girls, because it’s like comparing apples and oranges. I think this week she did what she does very well. She doesn’t have a huge range. One thing that bugged me about her performance is that she never looked up at the audience or the camera, so there is a sense that she is disengaged… or so focused on getting through the song that we don’t matter. She sang much better than last week.

KRISTY LEE COOK
I think Kristy has great tone in the middle voice. I didn’t like the song much. I felt she pushed the top notes, singing too wide and cracking because of it. We need to understand that singing wide puts a whole lot of pressure on the vocal chords. You can actually achieve more tone, and more ease, if you have the proper vowel shape. And I know people might say, this is pop/rock, not opera. But there’s a reason why opera singers can sing powerfully on the top and it has to do with technique. I find it hard to compare her to the other girls, however, they made a comment about her throat so perhaps she isn’t 100%. We shall see.

SYESHA MERCADO
When you get to the singers you are rating as being on the bottom of the pack, they each have their own issues but seem to be almost at the same level. I felt that Syesha’s singing is a little manufactured. It just didn’t move me.

RAMIELE MALUBAY
This is another singer who feels unattached to her instrument and her performance. She has a nice tone and negotiated the song okay, but she didn’t thrill me in any way.

KADY MALLOY
I wasn’t very impressed with her performance this week. I found the song to be pitchy, and the voice sat in the back of the throat. This can make us sound off pitch even when we aren’t, because the voice is strangled, we are singing too internally. And it makes the top notes tight because the breath is not moving effectively. I agreed that she needs to sing with more animation. In particular, she needs to be more present on the vowels, thinking round shapes, to help the voice come forward. When we try too hard (and hey, the environment these people have to sing in is full of pressure), we lose it. I agreed with Paula that she shows good quality in the tender soft parts, but she doesn’t understand how to bring that quality into the rest of her voice. She needs some training, IMO.

BROOK WHITE
I thought it was a very weird song choice. She sounded slightly off. I felt the chorus didn’t go anywhere. I feel like she’s out of her depth in this competition and I disagreed with the judges who said it was great. To me it was, unfortunately, forgettable.

As an aside, the banter between judges gets to be too distracting. I wish they'd give the singers more time to sing a proper arrangement of a song and give less time to all the talking after each performance. It gets a bit boring.


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No spoilers from me, but the die has been cast!!

Enjoy the show....

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Asia'h, Kady, Danny N and Luke are gone. That was the right pick.

I think had Danny just sang and pretended to be a guy, he would still be around because he does have the pipes. Maybe he can come back next year as what he is, a girl.

Asia'h may have done herself in by the song she chose. When you have a whole decade worth of material to choose from, it seems insane to pick such a bland song.

I don't know how Luke lasted so long-probably because he is a nice guy. Resume: nice looking, pleasant, sings a little.

Kady, I loved hating you so I'll miss you. Bye Bye Kady...I said Bye Bye...Kady... you can leave now...Kady...yes, the doors on the left.

No, I'm just messing with you- Kady's just a kid (17 or 18 right?), and a very good actress.



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"I think had Danny just sang and pretended to be a guy, he would still be around because he does have the pipes. Maybe he can come back next year as what he is, a girl."

A few days ago, my 14 year old daughter told me she wanted to have a sex change operation. I didn't see that one coming and asked her why.

She said, "I think Danny N. is hot, and that's the only way I would have a chance with him."


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Morning,

A couple of comments about Danny Noriega. First, let me say I wasn't entirely unhappy to see him go, since I'm not a big fan of talking back to the judges. I did, however, enjoy his performances, since he always seemed to get a big kick out of being up on stage.

Having said that, I'm really surprised and disappointed to read some of what has been posted here about him. While I understand some of it has been said tongue-in-cheek, to call someone out for a lifestyle choice is both ignorant and inflammatory.

Everyone has a right to his or her opinion, I get that...and I'm not trying to start any official brouhaha (love that word)... I was just personally offended and wanted to express my opinion. Especially within a community such as this, which embraces all different kinds of people....I didn't feel I could let those comments just slip away.

Anyway, enough said.

Ciao for now,
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OK - for once I thought the voters were reasonable in who got kicked off.

Now we get to wait until next Tuesday ... Is it songs of the 90's now or a Lennon McCartney night?



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I think everyone knew Luke's time had certainly ended.

At the end there, I thought that Danny would stay and Chikezie was going to go. He was actually a decent, if not great singer. I thought he had garnered more fans (or at least voters). However, he also alienated a few people with his sarcastic/flippant attitude.

I suppose he is entitled to his flaming persona, but that doesn't mean I have to appreciate it, or vote for it. David Hernandez is of the same "lifestyle", but doesn't offend like Danny.

He was (at the least) one of the more colorful and "interesting" performers of the year. He was this year's Sanjaya.

Not sorry to see Kady go, but even as popular as Brooke is, I think Asia'h can out sing her and would have preferred Brooke leaving. She seems to be very popular for some inexplicable reason though so may be in the top five.


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I liked Danny exactly because he WAS flamboyant and he WAS willing to be himself. To stand out in the crowd, you're better off being a 10x version of yourself rather than any version of someone else. I thought Danny did exactly that. He wasn't going to win, but he did have a very big voice and probably had one of the very best voices of the guys. It wasn't that people were turned off by him because AI doesn't let people vote AGAINST people.. his problem was he didn't get people interested enough to vote. But I don't really have a huge problem with him going in the end. It certainly wasn't unfair as it was 2 weeks ago when Alaina was voted off. So far she's been the only singer to go who didn't really deserve to be on the chopping block based on talent and performance.

Chikezie and Amanda are on the bubble for next week. Kristi survived the battle of the blondes and if she keeps things "country" she'll hang around a couple more weeks. Amanda has to hit another home run to get over the hump. If it's 90's week, good luck finding a great blues rock song from that decade. Maybe Hard to Handle by the Black Crows. (Or was that late 80's?).

This season is weird to predict going forward because you have the battle of talent versus popularity far more than any previous year. David A., Carly, Michael J. and Brooke are clearly the 4 fan favorites so far even though I don't think they're the 4 best singers (Carly is the best of the 4 followed by Michael). For someone to penetrate that final four, they'll need a combination of consecutive show stopper performances and consecutive horrible performances from a front runner. I don't see that happening to David A. He's far too polished on stage (and he's perhaps the biggest veteran performer of the finalists even though he's the youngest). Jason Castro and Brooke need to keep choosing songs in their narrow ranges and focus on being performers more than singers. Outside that four, my dark horse candidates are Syesha (who I would sign to a deal today no questions... she's a star waiting to happen as an actress, singer, model.. the entire entertainment spectrum) and David Cook who I thought was weak going in, but was so impressive that he might be this seasons Daughtry and could slip into the final 4 over Michael Johns.

I do like that there's a lot of different niches filled by the finalists.. couple pop.. couple R&B.. couple Rock.. couple singer-songwriters... a country singer...couple bluesy singers.. should be fun.

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Originally Posted by Beth G. Williams

Having said that, I'm really surprised and disappointed to read some of what has been posted here about him. While I understand some of it has been said tongue-in-cheek, to call someone out for a lifestyle choice is both ignorant and inflammatory.


I certainly hope I did not give the impression that I was calling out Danny (or anyone else for that matter.) My daughter, the same one mentioned in my above post, came to me a year ago and told me that she was bisexual. She knew that she could come to me because I will not condemn anyone for their lifestyle choices, unless that choice causes harm to another.

Incidently, before anyone calls me on it, I am not "outing" my daughter with this post. She is completely comfortable with her orientation, and she will be the first person to say so. (And for many reasons, I could not be more proud of her.)


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[[[I'm really surprised and disappointed to read some of what has been posted here about him. While I understand some of it has been said tongue-in-cheek, to call someone out for a lifestyle choice is both ignorant and inflammatory.]]]


Note to Beth: I'm sorry my comments about Danny N offended you. But I didn't say anything out of ignorance. I doubt these comments would offend Danny. He loves being different. The reason he was booted was for exactly the reason you stated- he was confrontational with the judges and that was not attractive to the voters.

I knew a young man like him personally and he was comfortable being "one of the girls"- that was his community- he wouldn't have been out of place at a high school girls slumber party- in fact he would have been the life of the party! I never judged him and I don't judge Danny- he is an original and he does not have to oppologize for it.

Have you ever know someone like Danny personally? It does not mean we are expressing ignorance or intolerance just because we call it like it is. That is pushing political correctness too far. The character who plays Betty's little brother, in the series "Ugly Betty", is a throughly attractive character who shows all the attributes and challenges of being different. I applaud the creators of that series, the actor who plays Betty's brother, and Danny N for having to courage to put who they are right out in the open.


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I pretty much agree, Brian. Alaina has been the only real "mistake" IMHO. I hope she gets some sort of offer from someone.

I've heard more pitch problems from Michael than from David C. and David keeps getting better whereas Michael hasn't really had an "Idol-worthy" performance since his Hollywood audition.

He better step up to the plate and give us a home run or he may not even make the top five. In one poll I just checked, he was rated 5th out of the 6 remaining guys - just above David H and below Chikezie.

Also, AOL has changed their poll now, so that you rank the remaining 12 together (Chikezie is at the bottom):

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AOL is pretty good on this stage. Last year they only missed 2 time.. the year before they were 100% correct.

I was surprised to see Amanda jump all the way up to the top half on AOL after bottom dwelling most of the year so far. But I think right now we're seeing who has FANS versus who votes on performances. It will change but I'd hate to be in the bottom 4 right now on AOL as it shows you don't have enough fans to really contend and you won't make up for it enough with performances. My biggest disappointment was Syesha in 10th. She's so much better than the bottom half that it's sad to see her bottom dwelling.. but that may already shoot down her shot at making the final 4 as a dark horse.

I also think it's time for Carly to decide what she is. Pop? Rock? Singer-Sonwriter? R&B? She's been all of those things so far. Rock is pretty crowded.. she may be better off becoming the Pop answer to David A.

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I remember seeing Ramiele bawling away again last night for Danny. Crying once I can understand, and I really like her, but I hope she shows a bit more backbone and maturity soon. If she cries every week, she's going to lose votes. She needs to be stronger.

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Does anyone have an idea what Beatles song each remaining contestant should choose? For instance what should Amanda pick- Hey Jude? Twist and Shout? Back in the USSR' Helter Skelter?

and does anyone know what Melinda Dolittle is up to these days?


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Hey Sam and Kevin,

Sorry to have stirred you up, but please know you both fell quite comfortably into my "tongue-in-cheek" category; that is, you didn't offend me in the least. Apparently, in my attempt to avoid "naming names", it appears I ended up offending as well. Like they say, no good deed goes unpunished. frown

Also, as a point of reference, my aunt is a married lesbian, and two of my male friends are gay. One is still in the closet (I was the first "hetero" he came out to blush), and the other is totally over the top. So yep, I'm pretty familiar with folks like Danny. And like I said, I have no issues with people "telling it like it is"...I'm just uncomfortable when the telling is made in a disparaging manner.

Nevertheless, thank you for your responses. Conversations here can certainly go off in interesting directions....

Cheers,
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Re: Danny N, I didn't have issues with his flamboyance or 'lifestyle' either [hey - Freddie Mercury is hands-down my favorite singer of all time], but his attitude and disrespect bothered me - these 3 people sitting there are RESPONSIBLE for you getting to this stage of the competition at all - they deserve your gratitude, and they are pros in the business who are trying, actually, to help you succeed.

Also something about watching him perform grated on me in an odd way. The best I can describe it is to compare him with Boy George - I could LISTEN to Boy George on the radio and really enjoy his voice and music, but I could never stand to look at him. I don't know what it was exactly, because he looks OK... a lot easier on the eyes than Boy George for sure. grin He was true to himself, yes. And there's a lot to be said for that - for being "10x yourself." [side note: I suspect that's what hurt Kady the most - she didn't seem to have a handle on who she was, which was apparent from her 1st audition. Could be Luke's biggest issue too. Confidence, and knowing who you are and what you want.] And Danny's voice is nice. But he was hard to watch, visually. I can't place it better than that.

I felt genuine empathy for him last night when he got the news, and I was sad he'd have to go home. I'm at the point where I don't really have anyone left that I "want" to go home.

My daughter is completely smitten by Jason Castro, BTW... she spent the entire 2 hours voting for him Wednesday! She loves lots of genres of music - and her other favorite artist is Mika - but I have never in her ENTIRE life seen her like this. It's really, really funny. She's not the kind of kid to drop over for any celebrity. She says a bunch of girls at school are the same way. So... say whatever you want about his vocal range or whatever. He's got *something.* I actually like him a whole lot, even though I can see the limitations vocally - but he gets FEEL into what he's singing. He's attached to the song he chooses and he feels it. I loved his version of Hallelujah.

Those of you mystified by Brooke and David A's popularity underestimate the draw they have with 5,000,000 other Mormons living in America (13 mil worldwide) who, like me, really like and want to see 'one of our own' succeed. smile Heehee.

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It does scare me that this is the only way a singer thinks they can gain fame at this point. Get out there and do what you do and promote yourself. AI will take advantage of all these singers in the end. It is a sad state of affairs when they show everybody crying just because they know the viewers will watch it for that.
I admit that I only watch the 1st few weeks of AI to see the really bad performances after that they all start to sound the same and it bores me.


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What???? Linda, you couldn't POSSIBLY be a little partial here could you? wink

Actually, I had no idea that Brooke was Mormon. That does explain a bit. All I can say is the few Mormons I've worked with over the years have all been very ethical people.


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Linda,

Actually I hope you are wrong that Mormons are voting for other Mormons because they are Mormans, though I am sure you're correct that some people are. Sadly, it's no different than using any other Prejudicial reason to vote for or against someone else. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Should I have voted for Luke because he was from Indiana? Should I vote only for the white males because I am one too? Should I have voted against those who don't share my sexual preference or religion? I certainly wouldn't. I think those who are the most entertaining singers should get the vote. I don't have a problem if someone say's they like a country lilt or a rock edge. That becomes about the music and not the person's characteristics.

Often society starts off doing prejudicial things that won't be offensive so they can later slip into more offensive things. Many wouldn't think twice about your comments.. but had you said something like "I won't vote for someone of this race or that sexual preference" more folks would be offended and take issue. It's very dangerous ground to walk on to vote for things not part of the scope of the competition. It's not "vote for your favorite religion, race, sexual preference or gender" it's supposed to be vote for your favorite singer. I think vocal style, range, approach, technique, mechanics, attitude etc. are certainly in that realm. Religion.. not so much. Sadly people are also all too comfortable to vote on level of attraction, weight... or other acceptable biases we have in every day life. I think when people go to those predictable stereotypes, they hurt themselves as much as those they are biased against. I've met and heard so many cool musicians who do things different than I would initially be interested in simply because I got past the easy biases both pro and con. This wildly different mix of finalists is a good thing. Hopefully some of those with the most actual talent and creativity will succeed going forward based on more that just their religion or lack thereof.

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Everything fell exactly as it should've...Danny was too flippant...his arrogance did him in earlier than if he just sang.

I think it's wide open from here...You never know...I agree with Brian, David A's style of singing everything the same way may wear old as the weeks go by. I love the show.

Skyelab- you are entitled to your opinion, BUT...I am really sick of the people that keep saying AI takes advantage of the contestants. I feel that I have really enjoyed every season, and I have NEVER read anything from any contestant where they felt they were "used" and regretted it. As far as the emotion, if it was not genuine...fake...that would be one thing...But I think there is NO doubt that it is completely real. Some of them maybe need to work on controlling it...but they are young kids...could YOU sing in front of the audience, the cameras, and 30 million viewers??? and remember the words?? and hit all the notes?? and handle the pressure??? If that is boring to you, I can't imagine what is exciting..


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Hey Herbie,

I also think that AI takes advantage of these people, but it doesn't really bother me. It's their job to exploit these personalities as much as possible - it's commercial TV for cryin' out loud. The contestants knew that when they signed up.

I think most of them realize the camera will take advantage of any opportunity to increase interest in the show; they understand they will all have these "photo shoots", "video clips", and the subsequent tour and all that goes with it - including a gag order to the press for the most part.

Some idiots will sign up for shows that make them eat bugs, go to "fat farms", or do other demeaning antics on camera.

This is simply entertainment of a musical variety. I enjoy it most of the time.


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Hi Larry

I agree, maybe I didn't say it perfectly, but I meant "take advantage" in a harmful way. I think it's all in good fun and the contestants are still going to remember it all of their life, even if they didn't win. (as a good thing)


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Brian
You are well aware of my feelings about AI and it's like.
That aside I agree 100% with your comments about voting.
We had a local Scots lad who recently won The X factor the UK equiv of AI.
He was probably one of the worst of a bad bunch. He had A poor voice, no stage presence was pitchy and very amateurish in every way. No way did he deserve to win.
The Scottish press and local mall where he worked did a huge media hype to encourage voting for him. It worked.
Scottish folk multiple voted for him in their masses.
One of my wife's colleagues summed it up. "He is not the best but I am voting for him cause he is Scottish."
I am sure that the same sort of criteria applies to a lot of these comps. Good looks, personality, race, creed, religion, the actual song rather than performance, locality and M/F all will be reasons why people voted long before talent plays a part.
It is just pot luck given all these variables that the winner is really the best singer.

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Hey Big Jim

I'll probably get the unpopular vote for doing this but, I agree I think american idol is a bunch of rubbish. I've watched it quite a lot in the beginning, the underlying theme is always about pushing peoples emotions. The musical side of it is really just a pawn to push looks and sex appeal along with drama. Get a clue people this is no different than a survivor clone! Reality TV had it's day in the sun. Now like disco, please just let it die!
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Derek are you feeling OK? Sure you don't need a wee lie down? Have you been drinking again?
I am going to print your last post and frame it.

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Wow...I do think I have a clue, Derek. I think most of the posters here also have a clue. Is it the rain in Oregon?

I don't think AI has EVER gotten the best group of 24 singers in America. I'm sure there were fat and/or ugly people who were better singers than Amy, Kady, Colton and Garrett, for instance. It's not about vocal chops, really.

It's simply about being an entertainer. That includes a modicum of singing ability, but more importantly, the ability to get people to vote for you. It's as much a charisma factor as anything else - kind of like politics. Fat, ugly politicians aren't generally successful either. That's life.

Do you really think Cher and Madonna are/were great singers? No, but they can generate INTEREST from people.

I do disagree with you that this is Reality TV like Survivor. It's NOTHING like that. This is much more like a fully-scripted game show than reality TV. It certainly has most scenes fully rehearsed.


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Hey L William

Actually the weather here has been rather nice. I used to live in California so yes I do know the difference wink . I think you just made my point. Because this is a peoples choice type show it's not going to be about raw talent. The factors you mentioned entertainment, charisma these are things that have nothing to do with raw talent. If I want someone to tell me a message in song. I want someone who knows what they are doing. Most of the contestants are starry eyed young kids who emulate singers and musicians ok. Let them live and have some life experience and I might want to listen to what they have to say.
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Hey Big Jim

Yup feeling just fine. Just can't stand reality tv shows. Survivor, Big brother American Idol it's all the same to me.
Derek

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Yes feel free to frame this as it might be my last response after the AI faithful get ahold of me. In fact I see it as being a lot like the Rajneesh Bahgwan thing. They'll brain wash me into thinking Simon Cowell has nice teeth wink

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