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I just purchased a second hand Yamaha keyboard in the hopes it will help me in being able to put some music to the lyrics I write. I always have a tune in my head when I am writing, however, I would like to be able to produce a rough sample of the melody I have in mind.

Question: The bank is not exactly overflowing, and I would like to keep my investment to a minimum. What kind of software program should I invest in that would enable me to get to second base with my lyrics.

Recently, I have heard of two, but wanted some input -- !) Cakewalk or 2) Finale. Bear in mind I have no musical background whatsoever!! Also, what about the program called "Band in a Box".

What might be the advantages to one over another?

Which will help me accomplish my goal?

HELP!!!

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Marian

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Hi Marian. I don't know any thing about Finale, but I do use Cakewalk. The learning curve seems to be the lowest (compared to Cubasis and others).

One thing you might try before spending the hard earned doe, is look for free or demo recording programs. I'm not shure if Cakewalk has any, but www.protools.com does. It's called Protools free...duh. Their site can be difficult to navigate, but for a freebee it should be worth it.

Also, there are other things to consider when looking at programs. For instance, there are recording programs that will auto score. Anyway just my 2 cents worth.

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Dear Kaboom:

Thanks for much for the information. I will investigate the web site you mentioned.
Appreciate your time.

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Hi, Marian.
I've heard Cakewalk is very good. Band In A Box is made by the same company I believe and lets you add accompaniment tracks to your composition among other things.
Both Finale and Cakewalk will auto-notate midi input. Check and make sure the keyboard is compatible with the software you choose. Cakewalk is only for PC and Finale is PC or Mac.

Finale is what I have. It's a huge program but they offer different sized and priced mini-versionsof it to fit the different needs of the users. As the users become more proficient, they are entiltled to very reasonably priced upgrades and they have very good tech support for registered users. The only thing you have to pay is the long distance charge.
For more info enter codamusic into your search engine to get to the website.

There are programs like Autoscore too, which are simple and don't require you to know music theory and will print music out for you.

Good luck to you. I'm going to check out that Protools thing, too. Glad you brought this up.

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Hi JeanB. Just a quick note...... Cakewalk does make a program for Mac. It's called Metro 5, which runs around $150. They also make a Metro 5 lite, which runs aruond $50 or less.

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Being somewhat of a computer geek during the day (and having a computer-based studio of my own), I can probably shed some light on these programs...

Cakewalk (made by Cakewalk) is a midi sequencer that can also record audio and mix it all down so you can burn a CD. However, I believe that Cakewalk Pro Audio (top of the line) is no longer being made. Instead, they have revamped it and are calling it Sonar now. Sonar is functionally the same as Cakewalk but with extra features.

Finale (made by Coda Music) is primarily a music notation software program, not a midi sequencer or audio recording program. You can do quite sophisticated sheet music scores with it and it has a very basic midi sequencer in it.

Band in a Box (BIAB) is made by PG Music and is primarily an accompaniment-producing software program. I use Band in a box on my Mac occasionally to create a very rough arrangement which I then import into another program I use, Protools, where I can edit all the parts. You can record a melody line in BIAB and it will create a "band" playing accompaniment to it in a bunch of different styles. The styles are pretty much preset and although a few of them are OK, some are pretty cheezy, also.

Both Cakewalk and Finale come in several versions of sophistication, such as Cakewalk Home Studio and Finale Print Music (having just basic features). Of course, the more basic programs are much less expensive, also.

Cakewalk Home Studio can be purchased for less than $100. You will also need something to connect your keyboard to the computer software. Typically, you'll use a midi interface. You can buy an inexpensive midi interface for under $75 from companies such as Midiman. It would help to know if you have a USB interface on your computer as that makes things simpler to hook up.

You didn't say whether you have a Mac or a PC. That changes your options a lot, also.

Feel free to email me or post here with any questions...


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I would like to add that if your computer has a game port (for a joystick; typically found on the sound card), this typically doubles as a MIDI interface and you only need to get the right cable (plugs into the game-port with a D-connector, like a printer connector but smaller, provides a MIDI in and out). This is a lot cheaper than buying a MIDI interface from scratch.


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Thanks, Kaboom. I already have Finale, but it wouldn't hurt to try and acquire the Mac version of Cakewalk, so I can interact with more PC friends. I'll check it out.

JeanB


Larry, one of the features of Finale is that it records midi input and auto notates it. It will also will autonotate Wind and brass instruments via a feature called Micnotator. It also scans sheet music and turns it into notation. All of the files can be saved as standard midi files.
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You're absolutely right, Jean. I was just trying to clarify each program's strengths and primary focus/functions.

Metro might be worth looking into a little further to verify compatibility with Cakewalk. As I recall, Cakewalk purchased the company that made Metro rather than porting Cakewalk over to the Mac, so the programs aren't similar at all. Cakewalk MAY have made an "export to Cakewalk format" command in Metro - or vice versa (not sure). However, I'm sure that you can export to an SMF (Standard Midi file) in either program - and that could get you pretty far as far as Mac/PC transfers of basic song forms and ideas.

Certainly, Kabooms' suggestion of downloading the Protools Free program would have little to no risk. I primarily use Protools myself at this point in time, and although it's midi is pretty basic compared to Cubase, Digital Performer or Logic Audio, it's entirely functional - and the price is certainly right!

However, Protools offers NO ability to score - if that is important to you.



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What about Autoscore. I heard that if someone can sing on pitch they can hum a tune into the program. Is that true?

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I haven't used Autoscore, but I've read several reviews of it. For basic pitch-to-midi translation, it seems to do what it claims: translate a sung or played pitch (voice or violin, for example) into a score of that melody.

They have an online demo you can listen to at http://www.dw.com.au/autoscore/



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Dear Jean, L. William, Flammable and Kaboom!

I'm a little overwhelmed with all the information I've received and am still trying to digest it all.

Thanks to all of you, my work is cut out for me! I really do appreciate all of you taking time out to respond.

Sincerely,

Marian

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I have used Cakewalk and have had a play with the small version of Finale.
I use cakewalk Home studio which is the small model and adaquate for my needs.
I actually preffer Midisoft recording session which is a very simple program.
I got that bundled with my G-VOX guitar to midi bridge and it works fine with guitar but really comes into it's own when use with the keybaord.
I also have Auto Score which is a voice to midi program Cheap. About $50 US I guess ($95 AUS)
It also has midisoft recording session in it but seems the version in that will not download the auto backings off the keyboard as the one with G-Vox does.
It did in my puter when i was going through the G-Vox drivers but wouldn't in one I helped a composer set up yesterday. Just recorded what i played on keyboard. No drums no nothing.
Here is a link to a music programs site. They put out a wekly news letter which alwways contains share and freeware you can download.
http://www.SharewareMusicMachine.com/?nl43
I find it very usefull.
Remember you may not be able to save any of the stuff you make in some of the trial programs but you can record it to audio via your line out jack to an outside tape deck then line it in tand record it as mp3 or wave in Music Match or similar.
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Dear Graham:

Thanks for posting. Not sure I thoroughly understand what you're saying, but will eventually figure it out I hope.

Am feeling a bit lost at the moment, however, I do appreciate your time.

Sincerely,

Marian

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You are welcome Marian.
We talk funny down here Marian.
Here is a fe3w other bits to ponder as you go along.
Don't try to soak it all up at once. maybe save it into word proccessing file for future referance.
Regarding the hassle i said i had with only getting the notes i played to record on the other man's computer. We worked it out. he had auto accompniment turned off and though it palyed on the keyboard it wouldn't record on the puter So the auroscore version of Midisoft Recording Session does record all tracks. It is a good Simple program.
And cheap.
You get more i coputer composing aids in cakewalk but is a bigger learning curve.
All the midi i my backing tracks and songs on my IUMA site are done in idisoft Recording session with no quantasising. Just bum notes correted.
Just saw Flamable's coment re gameport connection.
I use this.
Cables for this are about $12.50.
I had extentions made up so I could have my keyboard further away from the puter.
Remebre always the in cable goes to the out port on the keyboard and the out cable goes to the in port on the keyboard.
Won't do any damage if you get it wrong. Just won't work.
You can interact with any program which allows you to save in mid file. There are rtewo mid types. Type 0 and type 1.
cakewalk allows you to choose which one to use. Midisoft only does type 0.
I think Type 0 is Standard Midi and Type 1 is General Midi. Or is it the other way around?
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Hi Marian

Let me try and clear things up a bit. First of all, almost any music sequencer will enable you to produce a melody from your computer keyboard. It may be worth checking the CD that contains your soundcard drivers, if you are lucky there may be even be a free sequencer on it

If your recently acquired Yamaha keyboard has midi in/out sockets you will also be able to link it to your pc via a midi lead as mentioned in previous posts. This will enable you to ‘record’ from the Yamaha to the PC and also play the Yamaha from the PC. I would recommend downloading a trial version of one of the sequencers and having a play with it. (Usually trial versions are full working versions but with the ‘save’ function disabled). You may even be able to get a trial software disk from a local music shop.

I use Cakewalk and have done for many years, upgrading is easy. So if you go in at the bottom level and find that you want more features, you just upgrade (which is cheaper than buying a whole new product).

If I find any useful links I will let you know, and let us know how you get on.

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Dear Graham and Nigel:

Thanks for taking time to respond. I have a long road to hoe, but with all the good information I've received to-date, my job will be somewhat easier.

Sincerely,

Marian

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This all sounds very similar to me Marian. I was not that impressed with the quality of sound from my PC and decided to invest in a new sound card. I was advised that if I was interested in making music to a reasonable standard purchase a Yamaha SW1000XG. It arrived and was installed and to my surprise it came with a sequencer called XG Works.
At the time it was a case of and what does this do. I am not a technical person but the sound card allows you access to 1,267 Normal Voices, 46 Drum Voices and Maximum Polyphony 64. You make the sounds and the sequencer writes the music for you and almost everything else apart from making the coffee!
Not knowing any other users I have found my way around the sequencer and in doing so have had two years of frustrations, magic moments etc etc but most of all an enormous amount of fun.
Suggest you drop into Yamaha's main site and check out XG Works.One last thing when I had a problem/question and mailed Yamaha I always had an answer back within 12 Hours and even more importantly I could understand it.
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Thanks Gerry - I'll look into it.

Appreciate your taking the time to respond.

Regards,

Marian

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go to www.kazaa.com
it's a file sharing site where you downlaod software. I've downloaded many full applications uncluding cakewalk, cool edit pro, and a LE version of protools.

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Dear Augustmoon:

Thank you so much - I'm on my way to the site now.

Appreciate your help.

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