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I've had this verse 1 forever......................any thoughts on what the chorus should say? https://suno.com/s/B08UbBFsAvoWMaDX
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And I know, i know He’s (she’s) out there too Dreaming the same dream That I do My very only dream come true.
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Same time, same dream, I’ll meet you halfway asleep Where the walls fall down and the truth runs free If I’m losing my mind, don’t wake me up yet I’m closer to you with my eyes shut tight Same time, same dream tonight
We’re all built from the same dust and dreams, Different roads, but the same means.
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How about... [Chorus] You fill my memory I feel you in my heart It's not just fan-tasy 'cause I ache for every part of what is you and me So let's go back there now and make this dream reality somehow As always, KOS. Good luck with this one! Peace, Dave
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This is just to have a starting point. The new verses might need some tweaking. Same Time Same Dreamhttps://suno.com/s/COXR6fFUjZXqIHw9Verse It's warm, it's late I really shouldn't be awake, but I am And I know I'm just waiting for the chance to sleep and dream Where I left off Meet me here, same time, same dream Verse It’s quiet, it’s dark I try to calm my beating heart But I can’t And I feel Like I’m holding on to hope So deep It keeps Pulling me back Meet me here, same time, same dream Chorus In my mind you reach for my hand Like you’ve always known who I am Every night I fall just a little too deep Meet me here, same time, same dream Verse I see your face Though I don’t know you at all But I do And it feels Like you’ve been waiting for me So long So close Just out of reach Meet me here, same time, same dream Verse One day I’ll wake And you won’t fade with the light You’ll stay And I’ll know Every step led me to you Somehow Right now I believe Meet me here, same time, same dream Chorus In my mind you reach for my hand Like you’ve always known who I am Every night I fall just a little too deep Meet me here, same time, same dream Bridge Maybe someday I’ll recognize your eyes In a crowded room, in the waking light And I’ll smile like I’ve been here before Like I’ve loved you in a place beyond the door Chorus In my mind you reach for my hand Like you’ve always known who I am Every night I fall just a little too deep Meet me here, same time, same dream Outro So I stay awake Just long enough to drift back in Where hope feels close And lonely finally ends Meet me here, same time, same dream
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Wow... I'm gonna have to go back through and read that slower Rob!!! But very impressive.
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what does KOS mean??? (smile)
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Rob...... Really love this<<<< !!!! Verse One day I’ll wake And you won’t fade with the light You’ll stay And I’ll know Every step led me to you Somehow Right now I believe Meet me here, same time, same dream
Chorus In my mind you reach for my hand Like you’ve always known who I am Every night I fall just a little too deep Meet me here, same time, same dream
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what does KOS mean??? (smile) Keep Or Sweep. :-) Peace, Dave
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Wow! Nice to see Song-Writers talking about Song-Writing! I see Rob's take uses what I call a Refrain Type Chorus, actually that single Line from Verse I, "Meet Me Here, Same Time, Same Dream". It could simplify and shorten the Song, more desirable for radio play, and consumer attention span, in my estimation.
Same Time, Same Dream
(Verse I) It's warm! It's late! I really shouldn't be awake, but I am. And I know, I'm just waiting for the chance, the chance to sleep and dream where I left off! (Pitch rises, indicating main idea coming) (Chorus Refrain) Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream!
(Verse II) It’s quiet! It’s dark! I try to calm my beating heart, but I can’t. And I feel, like I’m holding on to hope, So deep it keeps Pulling me back (Chorus Refrain) Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream!
(After two 'givings' of the Melody in Verse I and Verse II, a Bridge is sometimes, not always, employed to break the risk of ''monotony', mono = one, tony = tone, losing listener interest. A Bridge, ideally, has its own Melody, different from the Verse, its own Rhyme-Scheme, maybe sh orter sentences/Lines, having more 'effect' in sustaining listener attention. Lyric content of a Bridge is preferably pivotal information in the Storyline of the Lyric. Ideally, a Bridge is brief, only long 'Enough' to serve that function, to Supply that Demand for a break in Repetition. A Song must have 'Enough' Repetition to Supply Structure Demanded to enable listeners to relate to it, and must have 'Enough' Change to keep them listening. A Bridge functions to renew listener interest with Change. A good Verse III may eliminate the Demand for a Bridge. It is the Song-Writer's Judgment Call to ascertain how much is 'Enough' or 'Not Enough' or 'Too Much'. How much Introductory Movement is 'Enough'? One Measure or Bar, three, four? How much Lyrical 'Exposition', Story-Telling, scene-setting has been done, and is it 'Enough', the 'timing' right, to go on to a Chorus, or a Bridge? Is it 'Too Much', losing listeners before you get to the Chorus, Stanza-Type or Refrain-Type? It has to do with the Human Attention Span, and whether what you present keeps it engaged. It's not a written 'Rule', inflexible. It is very flexible, hence the Song-Writer's Judgment Call. Listeners will make their own Judgment Call, paying attention, or drifting off to their own thoughts, reaching into their pocket to hear the Song again, or keeping their money in their pocket without desire to hear it again. The Song-Writer, who is The First Listener, has the opportunity to make Judgment Calls throughout the Composition, before other listeners make their own.)
Chorus (This Stanza could be a Bridge) In my mind you reach for my hand Like you’ve always known who I am Every night I fall just a little too deep Meet me here, same time, same dream
(Above Stanza as a Bridge) You reach for my hand! You know who I am! Let's fall to sleep! Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream! (Some say a Song should not use the Title Line, THE Hook, in a Bridge. I think it is a Judgment Call for the Song-Writer.) (After a Bridge a final giving of the Chorus (if a Stanza-Type Chorus is used) or a Verse III can be given to complete the Composition. At this point the time-factor is a Judgment Call. Can you keep listeners engaged much longer?)
(Verse III) I see your face Though I don’t know you at all But I do And it feels Like you’ve been waiting for me So long So close Just out of reach Meet me here, same time, same dream
(Verse IV) One day I’ll wake And you won’t fade with the light You’ll stay And I’ll know Every step led me to you Somehow Right now I believe Meet me here, same time, same dream
Chorus In my mind you reach for my hand Like you’ve always known who I am Every night I fall just a little too deep Meet me here, same time, same dream
(Below is the Stanza designated by the Song-Writer as a Bridge. I'd simplify it.) (Bridge) Maybe someday I’ll recognize your eyes (Maybe? Or definitely?) In a crowded room, in the waking light And I’ll smile like I’ve been here before Like I’ve loved you in a place beyond the door
(Bridge) Someday I’ll see your eyes, across a crowded room, in the waking light! We’ll smile like we've been here before! We’ve loved in a place beyond the door!
Chorus In my mind you reach for my hand Like you’ve always known who I am Every night I fall just a little too deep Meet me here, same time, same dream
(A final Musical Movement in a Composition is called a Coda, Italian for 'tail'. Pop music calls it an 'Outro'. Jazz calls it a 'tag'. 'Intro' is a common abbreviation for 'Introductory' Musical Movement. There is no word for Outro, Outroductory Musical Movement. We could coin one, for the purpose.) Outro So I stay awake Just long enough to drift back in Where hope feels close And lonely finally ends Meet me here, same time, same dream (Words murmered, as if the Singer-Character is drifting off to sleep.)
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KOS = Keep Or Sweep. People offering suggestions want the writer to know they understand if their suggestion is not accepted. It's part of brainstorming methodology to not reject any idea thrown on the table. Judgments are made later and it is not offensive to have an idea rejected. The purpose of suggestions is to stimulate thinking and possibilities.
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Gary, just yesterday I listened to a couple of songs we wrote together. They put a smile on my face. I learned a lot from you. I get what you're saying: consider leaning into the one-line refrain chorus, use verses to carry the story, and add only as much bridge or extra chorus material as needed to keep the listener engaged — no more, no less. I'm leaning in that direction as well but it's Kay-lynn's song. She asked for a dedicated chorus and that's what I tried to give her. What Suno did with this is absolutely awesome. My wife just came in and asked, Who's singing this and who wrote it. The song is beautiful. We'll see what Kay-lynn wants to do with this. Thanks for your review and helpful suggestions. This is like in the good old days.
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"Same Time, Same Dream" Copyright December 19, 2025 by Kay-lynn Carew (And Rob B)
(Verse I) It's warm! It's late! I really shouldn't be awake, but I am. (Introduction of The Singer Character, "I".) And I know, I'm just waiting for the chance, the chance to sleep and dream where I left off! (Pitch rises, indicating main idea coming) (Chorus Refrain) Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream! (Dialogue, conversation, spoken to The Love Interest Character.)
(Verse II) It’s quiet! It’s dark! I try to calm my beating heart, but I can’t. And I feel, like I’m holding on to hope, So deep it keeps Pulling me back (Chorus Refrain) Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream!
(NOTE: A Bridge can be an Instrumental Bridge, instead of a Lyrical Bridge. I remember looking a The Beatles' sheet music and seeing the Notation: "Instrumental Interlude". That's an Instrumental Bridge, serving the same purpose, breaking Repetition with Change to sustain listener interest.) (Stanza as a Bridge Option #1) You reach for my hand! (Love Interest Character, "You") You know who I am! Let's fall to sleep! Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream!
(Bridge Option #2. Only one version of a Bridge in one giving should be used, for time constraints and simplicity of listening.) Someday I’ll see your eyes, across a crowded room, in the waking light! We’ll smile like we've been here before! We’ve loved in a place beyond the door!
(Verse III, Option #1. No Verse IV should be necessary. I'd pick one. Song will be 3 minutes, 3:30, long 'Enough'.) I see your face Though I don’t know you at all But I do And it feels Like you’ve been waiting for me So long So close Just out of reach Meet me here, same time, same dream
(Verse III, Option #2) One day I’ll wake And you won’t fade with the light You’ll stay And I’ll know Every step led me to you Somehow Right now I believe Meet me here, same time, same dream
Outro I lie, awake! I drift back in, where hope feels close, and loneliness ends! Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream (Words murmered, as if the Singer-Character is drifting off to sleep.)
Last edited by Gary E. Andrews; 12/19/25 02:08 PM.
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I'm loving the collaboration with all concerned. Yup, this is the way it used to work.
I think what we have to decide what story we're trying to tell. Did someone die? Is it a past love? Could it be both? Maybe someone in the military? but it's certainly someone the writer knows.
Should this be a love song? Should it be a song about loss? I don't know why I'm always killing ppl in my songs hahah.
Or it could be a child that was lost, and the writer sees them growing up in their dreams ?.. (dang that would make my cry just writing it)
It's all about the "showing" not telling, so the listener can apply it to whatever's going on in their life. (kinda like THE DANCE)
I guess the meet me here same time, same dream is almost a pleading to the person to please show up in their dreams.
That's my 2 cents, but I'm loving this conversation. Maybe the bridge should be something like.........
"when the day comes and the sleeping ends we'll see each other and then I'll never have to dream again............
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Gary, this is all very helpful and very fun................... because others might have a different take or direction that I hadn't thought of. I appreciate all the input very much............ I've always wanted to finish this song!
Keep in mind, What I wrote, might be the chorus, might be verse 2....... nothing is written in stone. right?
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I guess the meet me here same time, same dream is almost a pleading to the person to please show up in their dreams. That's what I was thinking about when I wrote those draft lines....
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I think it needs more furniture........ (as my mentor used to say).....
Whats going on in the dream, what are they doing?
That's gonna depend on who it is they're seeing in their dream I guess?
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You're exactly right!......... So maybe sometimes they don't show up? So the person desperately tries to go back to sleep and try again.
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Kay-lynn, you're in the driver's seat here. You didn't give us much to start with. You'll have to define where you want to go with it. There are a couple of folks (just plain folks) here willing to help. There's a good chance you'll get the song done.
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Someone said, "Song-Writing is re-writing." We get 'inspiration' and run with it. Once the basic concept is 'written', in our heads, if not down on paper, we can 'craft' it, adding or subtracting what 'inspiration' got. I do 'editing' as I write, getting that first Line that Hooks my interest, maybe going on to more Lines before I think of something I judge to be better for that first 'inspired' Line. Throughout the process I may try variations on the Line, different words, getting the Rhythm of the Prosody to fit the guitar work and Melodic delivery 'right'. Nothing is written in stone. However... once I do put it down on paper it becomes harder to rewrite. And once I play it for anyone else I feel locked in. I have to break out. Fortunately, years of experience have taught me how free I am to do whatever I want with a Song. I didn't get any sense of death. I thought it was a person who appeared in a dream, and the dreamer fell in love, to a rational not-crazy-at-all degree, and simply hopes to see the person again in the dream, and hopes she appears in reality. Rob's Lines about 'recognizing her eyes, in the waking light'. Indulging in fantasy is quite entertaining. Pondering death and longing for the lost loved one, a whole different direction. I think most people can 'relate' to either concept, but which one do you want them to relate to? I go with the fantasy, the 'dream' and 'hope' of encountering the dream personality, in the Same Time, Same Dream, and the fantasy that he could actually meet her in life. That love at first sight concept is real, for some people, and fantasy of possibility, and dreaming, are natural to the Human mind. All kinds of positive vibration to go with.
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oh man... now I have to use my brain???
Fact is, I wrote this when my co-writer went back to England.. (kinda had a crush on him).....(same topic on That's Where you Were)... argg
so this is one of those cases where you start with an emotion........but is it all gonna be emotion or do we have to tell a story? Sometimes I don't wanna tell the listener a story, I just want them to "think" there is a story.
I'm trying to avoid..........."I was almost home" country song, which I love btw, but I wrote this long before that was on the radio.
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Well there ya go.......! Quite possible this is not even a real person...........?? But so many people mention in real life that they saw their lost person in a dream after they were gone... kinda universal........... however, if it's not gonna be a real person I would think we need to resolve it in the end in some way..... Did they actually end up meeting someone and now they don't have to dream anymore?
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And yes.. IT'S ALL RE-WRITING.................... correct.. (well except for the Barbie song which wrote itself in 10 min) still freaks me out to this day.
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It’s quiet! It’s dark!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Already said dark in Verse one, should it be used again so soon? I try to calm my beating heart, but I can’t. And I feel, like I’m holding on to hope, So deep it keeps Pulling me back<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<love this! (Chorus Refrain) Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream!
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You used "dark" in verse 1? Am I missing something?
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I never know if you'll show up and when sometimes it makes me wonder am I awake now or was I awake then?
Possible bridge?............... Meaning when you wake up from a dream, it seems so real, sometimes you think real life.. is the actual dream (or nightmare)
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Rob is right................ my bad.... .. sorry
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I want and I wish and it ache's and it hurts but I love every moment we share might be real in my heart and my mind starts to shout None of this seems fair ....when I open my eyes , you're not there
bridge?
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Just a thought. Dreams keep us alive . if we stop dreaming we die. There is the duende!
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Rob You are so very good at using Suno to flush out a good song.............. it's extremely helpful!!!
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Bill. that's an awesome thought!!!!!
Dreams DO keep us alive......... and dreams keep our loved ones alive too......
I like that alot
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Rob, Tara Lynn Sharock's still got her chops doesn't she? I listened to her treatment on your Vietnam translation Song. And I could hear it! Volume. This cheapie Dell laptop plays things so low I can't hear it. But I heard yours. I like your Rob B. Project. The way it can all work now is ready made. Some of the pros used the internet during the Coronavirus Pandemic of the Early 21st Century, zapping contributions back and forth since they couldn't get into the same room and do it. And it worked to their satisfaction. The AI 'tools' leave less specific control to the Song-Writer, but people are expressing satisfaction with it. Keep exploring. The possibilities are endless.
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I'm gonna have to redo the copyright 2025 line so it adds all the co-writers. Love that!
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I'm looking for 'furniture'. Abstract concepts may elude the 'interest' buttons in listeners. 'Furniture' gives concrete imagery they hear and can not 'not' imagine. Engaging their imagination is the essence of 'Hook Factor'.
[Verse 1] It's warm, it's late ('Warm' is a concept they 'get'. 'Late' is too. The combination sets up for the introduction of the Singer-Character in Line 2, 'warm', 'late', 'awake', 'waiting'. 'Meet me here' gives it a concrete setting. But vague on 'furniture'. Plays put 'props', 'properties' on the 'stage' to set the scene.) I really shouldn't be awake, but I am And I know I'm just waiting for the chance to sleep (waiting 'in my bed', literal furniture) and dream Where I left off Meet me here, same time, same dream, strings
Let me bring Rob B's here and see if there is furniture or could be.
(Verse II) It’s quiet! It’s dark! I try to calm my beating heart, but I can’t. ('heart' furniture? I think I get a sense of a human body there.) And I feel, ('feel' resonates with people, according to some Focus Group.) like I’m holding on to hope, So deep it keeps Pulling me back (Chorus Refrain) Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream! (No furniture?)
Chorus In my mind you reach for my hand ('hand' as furniture, concrete idea, if you read it, hear it, you imagine it. The rest, abstract ideas.) Like you’ve always known who I am Every night I fall just a little too deep Meet me here, same time, same dream
(Verse III) I see your face ('face', furniture, read/hear, imagine.) Though I don’t know you at all But I do And it feels Like you’ve been waiting for me (Conversation, Singer-Character/Love-Interest Character) So long So close Just out of reach Meet me here, same time, same dream
(Verse IV) One day I’ll wake And you won’t fade with the light You’ll stay And I’ll know Every step led me to you Somehow Right now I believe Meet me here, same time, same dream
Chorus In my mind you reach for my hand Like you’ve always known who I am Every night I fall just a little too deep Meet me here, same time, same dream
(Bridge) Maybe someday I’ll recognize your eyes ('eyes' furniture. In a crowded room, in the waking light ('crowded room conjures concrete imagery.) And I’ll smile like I’ve been here before ('smile' evokes a visual conceptualization, furniture) Like I’ve loved you in a place beyond the door (The 'door' is both concrete and metaphorical, but... furniture.)
Outro (Having gotten the listener this far I think the 'awake' concept evokes a visualization of a person lying in bed.) So I stay awake Just long enough to drift back in Where hope feels close And lonely finally ends Meet me here, same time, same dream
(No. Not much 'furniture'. Only a major rewrite could put some in. If you're interested in exploring that I suggest imagining the real Dreamer in their real bed, the room, the literal furniture, windows, moonlight, alarm clock, pillow, sleep elusive, whatever develops that imagery-furniture your mentor suggested makes a good Lyric. I'm wondering what 'furniture' we might find in some other Lyrics, here or in our music collections, or memories thereof. Some stuff hit us right and we 'saw' the furniture and 'suspended disbelief' that this was fantasy, and perceived it as a reality the Singer, or Singer-Character was living.) "Ten years ago, on a cold, dark night, a man was killed, 'neath the town hall light. There were few at the scene. They all did agree, the man who ran, looked a lot like me!"
She walks these hills, in a Long, Black Veil! She mourns my bones, when the night winds wa-ai-il! Nobody knows! No! Nobody sees! Nobody knows but me..."
Now there's some furniture.
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sometimes Dreams are all that keeps us alive so they say
I can say I believe it, I just want to re-dream it
even if just for a day
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I didn’t like my outro so I thought I should try to end it with a verse/chorus.
Final verse/chorus: So I stay awake Just a little longer than I should But I do ‘Cause I know If I let myself drift back in I’ll find That place Where lonely ends Meet me here, same time, same dream
The song starts with: - awake / restlessness - being awake too late - waiting / longing
The final verse could end with: - choosing to drift back in - accepting the dream - reframes sleep as hope, not escape
That’s a complete emotional circle, which listeners feel even if they can’t explain it. It mirrors the opening.
Your first verse: I really shouldn’t be awake, but I am Your final verse: So I stay awake / Just a little longer than I should
That symmetry gives listeners a subconscious feeling of … ahh – this feels complete.
It answers the title line. Throughout the song “Meet me here, same time, same dream” is a wish. In the final verse, it becomes a decision, almost a promise. Ending with that line after choosing to drift back in gives the title final authority.
It feels like falling asleep with the short lines, soft language and no new imagery introduced. That creates natural deceleration and a sense of closure without a hard stop. Perfect for a fade, a held note, or a whispered final refrain line. It avoids overexplaining. Many love songs fail by adding a big revelation too late or spelling out what the dream means. This ending does the opposite. It lets the listener finish the thought which is exactly what dream-themed songs should do.
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I was thinking the furniture would be in the next verse maybe?
Maybe I was wrong, since furniture is usually for story songs. I'm trying to think of examples. (sorta like Garth Brooks, the rodeo) dang that had lots of furniture, even in teh chorus!
I"m thinking this song would be great for Lee Ann Womack, not sure what makes me think of her.
Maybe we need something in the chorus that describes the actual dream?
The breeze is blowing through the curtains we're laughing on the floor so hard we cry it knocked the candle over almost lit us both on fire
ok,... that verse sucks.. sorry
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Final verse/chorus: So I stay awake Just a little longer than I should But I do ‘Cause I know If I let myself drift back in I’ll find That place Where lonely ends Meet me here, same time, same dream<<<<<<<<<<<<< shouldn't there be something that rymes with this?
The song starts with: - awake / restlessness - being awake too late - waiting / longing
The final verse could end with: - choosing to drift back in - accepting the dream - reframes sleep as hope, not escape<<<<<<<<<<<<good point
And why would she want to stay awake longer than she should... she WANTS to go to sleep.
maybe we're missing the "meet me here". part...........it's a gentle melody, but she's a little frustrated that he doesn't show up every day so she's asking for an appointment.......
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The sun comes up and hurts my eyes I'm trying to keep you in my life even if it's only for tonight I know you'll leave me here for now but please meet me here same time, same dream
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(sigh).................. I guess this is not a "chorus" song after all............... but it's gonna be great!!
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And why would she want to stay awake longer than she should... she WANTS to go to sleep. “Stay awake longer than she should” feels confusing, yes. As I first wrote it, the line: “Just a little longer than I should” suggests: - insomnia - restlessness - uncertainty - or even avoidance of sleep And that contradicts the story, as you pointed out. Your character: - wants the dream - trusts it - believes it’s preparing her for something real So the listener might reasonably ask: Why delay sleep if sleep is the goal? That’s the disconnect you sensed. She stays awake because she trusts the dream. She feels it’s preparing her for a real meeting. That means: - She’s not avoiding sleep - She’s choosing the moment - She’s mentally readying herself - She treats the dream as something sacred or intentional In other words: She lingers at the edge of sleep because crossing into the dream matters. But I agree, it might make sense to make it a bit clearer: Verse (final) So I stay awake Just long enough to let it in ‘Cause I trust What I know Every time I cross that line It’s me And you Getting close Meet me here, same time, same dream
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Brainstorming never sucks! LOL We throw it out there and make our judgment call later.
The breeze is blowing through the curtains we're laughing on the floor so hard we cry it knocked the candle over almost lit us both on fire
The 'furniture' of the breeze, the curtains, the two people, laughing, on the floor, the candle, all concrete imagery. I couldn't read it without imagining the scene. That's 'furniture'. If I only heard it sung, instead of reading it, it would probably have the same 'insistent' effect in my imagination.
"Rodeo" Verse I describes the man, and the woman, and the 'Conflict'. Conflict is a great literary device. It makes the story interesting. Verse II, more concrete 'things' to imagine, that hearing them name demands the Human mind 'imagine' them. The gold in the buckle. "Her back's against the wall." I imagined it literally, her moving back against the wall, unable to compete for his attention when he's focused on the rodeo. Note the Structure. It seems to use a Chorus Refrain ending each Verse, hitting THE Hook, the Title Line, "Rodeo". I can't hear it on Youtube. Is there a Bridge? And note the number of 'hits' on THE Hook, driving home that concept as THE main idea.
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Some good analyses going on here. Y'all are thinkin', studying possibilities. That's what Songs are all about, possible 'stories'. A hundred thousand years of Song-Writing have not exhausted the possibilities.
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Kay-lynn, we've been sending stuff back and fourth. Where are we currently regarding the lyrics and the structure. Have you decided whether you want a dedicated chorus or just verses that end with a hook line and a bridge for variation. More furniture or not? I find it hard to give you more input without knowing the structure of the lyrics. Sorry, I have to admit that I'm a bit lost at the moment. Can you post a version of the lyrics we should use to continue reshaping this one?
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How's this so far?
It’s warms, it’s late I really shouldn’t be awake But I am, and I know I’m just waiting for the chance To sleep and dream Where I left off Meet me here same time, same dream
It’s quiet! It’s dark! I’m trying to calm my beating heart, but I can’t. And I feel like I’m just holding on to hope, to breathe it seems that’s all I know Meet me here, Same Time, Same Dream!
Bridge The sun comes up and hurts my eyes I'm trying to keep you in my life even if it's only for tonight I know you'll leave me here for now but please meet me here same time, same dream
You’re right, I can wait Sometimes you have to go away So I know, it’s not real But that won’t save me from this day So please, make me believe and meet me here same time, same dream
It's warm, it's late I really shouldn't be awake.........................
copyright 2025 Kay-lynn Carew, Rob B., Gary Andrews
I"m sure this could be longer, just trying to edit, edit, edit.
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Rob, Tara Lynn Sharrock's still got her chops doesn't she? I listened to her treatment on your Vietnam translation Song. And I could hear it! Volume. This cheapie Dell laptop plays things so low I can't hear it. But I heard yours. I like your Rob B. Project. The way it can all work now is ready made. Some of the pros used the internet during the Coronavirus Pandemic of the Early 21st Century, zapping contributions back and forth since they couldn't get into the same room and do it. And it worked to their satisfaction. The AI 'tools' leave less specific control to the Song-Writer, but people are expressing satisfaction with it. Keep exploring. The possibilities are endless. Gary, thanks so much for listening and for the kind words. Yes, Tara-Lynn absolutely still has her chops! She really brought that song to life, and I’m glad it cut through even on a stubborn laptop speaker. I’ve always enjoyed collaborating with talented people from different parts of the world, even though remote collaboration can actually be more challenging than being together in a studio. This project/thread really shows that writing at a distance (like you and I did in the past) isn’t always easy, but it can be very rewarding. Tara-Lynn is a joy to work with because she instinctively knows what a song needs. She can handle everything - lead vocals, backing parts, and harmonies - with ease. I’ve always enjoyed working with her and hope we can do more projects together in the future. AI tools may loosen some of the traditional hands-on control, but I agree: if the end result connects, that’s what matters. I’m enjoying exploring what’s possible, and comments like yours definitely encourage me to keep going. Thanks again—much appreciated.
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How's this so far?
It’s warms, it’s late I really shouldn’t be awake But I am, and I know I’m just waiting for the chance To sleep and dream Where I left off Meet me here same time, same dream I'm calling it quits for today. It's getting late here. I'll let this settle over night. Funny ... when I read "I know you'll leave me here for now but please meet me here same time, same dream" it reminded me of my song "The Girl From Yesterday".
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Well great minds I guess!!!
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Rob...... can't you plug it into Sunos first so I can see if it gives the bridge a dramatic melody?? pretty please!
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Sorry, it's late here. Before I sign -off let me just say what my lyrics were about. The ones I originally posted, because I think you're heading in a different direction, which is fine. I'll follow you. I just need to know where you're going. This is where I'm coming from:
“Same Time, Same Dream” is an intimate, late-night song about longing, trust, and the quiet space between imagination and reality. It follows a woman who lies awake in the still hours of the night, suspended between consciousness and sleep, returning again and again to the same dream of a man she has not yet met — but deeply feels she will. Rather than telling a conventional love story, the song lives in anticipation. Each verse captures a moment of half-wakefulness: warmth, darkness, a racing heart, a sense of hope that feels both fragile and certain. The repeated line “Meet me here, same time, same dream” functions as both a refrain and a promise — a ritual she returns to nightly, trusting that the dream is more than fantasy. To her, it feels like preparation. What makes the song stand out is its minimalism and restraint. The verses are short, conversational, and rhythmically consistent, mirroring the steady pull of sleep. There’s no dramatic declaration of love; instead, emotion builds through repetition and subtle variation. The listener experiences the same gentle cycle the narrator does — drifting, returning, believing. The song blurs the line between dreaming and destiny. The dream isn’t an escape from loneliness; it’s a place where loneliness ends. By staying awake “longer than she should,” the narrator isn’t resisting rest — she’s trusting it. She believes the dream is shaping her for a real meeting, one that feels inevitable rather than imagined. “Same Time, Same Dream” is worth listening to because it captures a feeling many people recognize but rarely articulate: the sense that something meaningful is forming before it arrives, and that sometimes hope lives most clearly in the quiet moments no one else sees. It’s a song that doesn’t rush, doesn’t explain too much, and invites the listener to meet it where it lives — in that fragile space just before sleep.
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Kay-lynn, you can do that too. Use your 1st verse recording as an upload and cover it with your new lyrics. Or use my version and cover it with your new lyrics.
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ok, I'll give it a shot. But I will say, it was never about someone she never met........ it was always someone she knew. I'm so sorry if that wasn't clear. I should be better at communicating.
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I tried using your version and change the lyric, but it doesn't work unless I'm doing it wrong.., crap
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Well I tried to edit the Suno, but it doesn't understand the bridge section......... I give up for today.. arggg
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Hi Kay-lynn, this is what Suno came up with. There was a typo in your lyrics that I missed. Sorry. We can get rid of that in the next version. I'm not sure what is going on in verse 3. https://suno.com/s/53cu0Pa6PCqxAchXThis definitely works! Here's another version where the typo is fixed. This has a shorter intro and different bridge. There are definitely issues in verse 3 that should be fixed (I think...). https://suno.com/s/4XVTjraqtJsJUxkBHere's my final version. I like this one. Short intro which gives it a higher commercial value and brings the song length below 3:30. The bridge is cool and has the catchy hook line at the end. I fixed verse 3 by adding "Pretty please". I love the rich vocal harmonies in this one. This song is absolutely beautiful. I'm amazed what came out of that 1st verse you posted yesterday. https://suno.com/s/py2W9Mi4gW0J6AOYHere are the lyrics I used in this last version. Same Time Same Dream[hyper-modern production with clear vocals, no autotune, Dolby Atmos mix, high-fidelity, high-definition audio and wide stereo] [Instrumental Intro] [Verse] It’s warm, it’s late I really shouldn’t be awake But I am, and I know I’m just waiting for the chance To sleep and dream Where I left off Meet me here same time, same dream [Verse] It’s quiet, it’s dark I’m trying to calm my beating heart But I can’t And I feel Like I’m just holding on to hope To breathe it seems That’s all I know Meet me here same time, same dream [Bridge] The sun comes up and hurts my eyes I'm trying to keep you in my life Even if it's only for tonight I know you'll leave me here for now but please Meet me here same time, same dream [Verse] You’re right, I can wait Sometimes you have to go away So I know, it’s not real But that won’t save me from this day So please, pretty please Make me believe Meet me here same time, same dream [Break] [Verse] It’s warm, it’s late I really shouldn’t be awake But I am, and I know I’m just waiting for the chance To sleep and dream Where I left off Meet me here same time, same dream [Outro - whispered] Meet me here same time, same dream
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Ok I'm getting ready to listen to your files............. but before I do I wanted to get down how I thought the bridge should sound before I forgot. I actually had to get my guitar out and sing it into sunos (which is a horrible feat btw)... but here it is.And yeah, it messed up the last line of lyric, I should always check that!! argg https://suno.com/s/f7rUrEiVEqG1s1mv
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Ok I'm getting ready to listen to your files............. but before I do I wanted to get down how I thought the bridge should sound before I forgot. I actually had to get my guitar out and sing it into sunos (which is a horrible feat btw)... but here it is.And yeah, it messed up the last line of lyric, I should always check that!! argg https://suno.com/s/f7rUrEiVEqG1s1mvSounds good. Actually pretty close to my final version.
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not sure where "pretty please" came in.. did Suno do that?? LOL But that version is pretty damn close to perfect my friend!!!!
I keep trying to correct the lyric that says KEEP me here same time... it's supposed to MEET... I try to change it and it changes the whole darn thing.
I like my bridge melody better, but I don't know how to mash those two things together... still learning stuff about this program and I keep stubbing my toe along the way.
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I have no idea how to mash audio files together and upload them. We'll probably have to wait for V7. But, I was joking when I said pretty close. It's like you anticipated what Suno would do with those lines. What's even more interesting ... I got around 20 alternatives and I selected this one. Is that a sign or what?
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I'm very satisfied with the whole song. I hope you like that "pretty please" line that I added. The break could be longer, the outro shorter, but all in all this is a beautiful song. I'd like to thank you and Gary for a great co-writing experience. I learned a lot. Next time I'll go to IKEA before I write a lyric to add more "furniture". I never heard that term before. These next couple of days I won't have much time available. Feel free to use my version for future tinkering. If you want me to send you an MP3 or something, let me know.
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Yes, please send me the mp3 cus perhaps my son Patrick can mash it together. I think you have to go do studio mode or something to cut something out and insert something else, but that's way above my pay grade.
To be really honest, I don't like "pretty" please......(sorry)....
It has been a wonderful experience and I couldn't thank you both more!!!................
Yeah that furniture thing is from a mentor of mine, it means you have to have "things" in a song, not just feelings.
Please send the mp3 to my email and I know you're busy, but stick around................ "pretty please".. <<<<<<<< lol
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I really like how you got Sunos to pause between the words at the end. How did you tell it to do that???? I need that instruction for the other song we're working on.
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Thats a Nashville thing on furniture Rob
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I'm going to visit Nashville next year. I still have so much to learn.
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To be really honest, I don't like "pretty" please......(sorry).... I sent you the WAV and the MP3. You can upload the song in Suno, cover it and change that line.
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I'm going to visit Nashville next year. I still have so much to learn. Don't we all
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hey Rob, you didn't tell me you were coming to visit.............. woohooo... Let me know when and we'll meet up.
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I really like how you got Sunos to pause between the words at the end. How did you tell it to do that???? I need that instruction for the other song we're working on. That happened by accident. I didn't tell Suno to do that.
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Kay-lynn, I think we should post the finished song in the MP3 section because some people here don't visit the lyric sections, only the MP3 and AI sections. What do you think? I would gladly do that if you think it's a good idea.
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I've heard a phrase Producers use in Recording, about having a Song Recorded where the execution of the Chorus is 'perfect' in one giving, but flawed in another, and they 'Fly the Chorus', meaning copy the section of the Recording with the good one and paste it in for other givings of the Chorus. Some technological 'splicing'. It could be the second or the third and 'Fly' it back to replace the flawed first giving. Or any way it goes, just to get three good givings of the Chorus. I suspect singers flub a bit of Prosody, not hitting the beat exactly right each time, and Producers 'have the ears' to hear that flaw, and know how to fix it without requiring another Recording Session with live singers/players.
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I think that's a skill they pay engineers for, and I'm certainly not of those for sure! but if you go to suno and "suno studio".. you can see where you can cut and paste things, but I have no idea how to do it.
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"If you are stuck in your musical composing, be unreasonable. Change your environment. If you are stuck in your lyrical efforts, instead of forcing the same old words out, force yourself to do unreasonable things." -Brian Austin Whitney
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