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lol. Gene, the music business has NEVER been fair. is it fair that your worth 400 million, and somebody like Willie Nile makes a modest living. hes BETTER than you lol. You got where you are by hard work yes, but by gimmick and LUCK. now you wanna make it fair for everybody?
its not fair that less than 1% of all music makes ALL the money in the business.
I agree the model is broken, but you could argue that with all the different ways music is heard today, that music is easier and easier to find an audience.
back in radio days, people only heard what the radio decided to play...a total injustice to all the other would be rock stars, and your talking about fairness?
Good idea, flawed reasoning.
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lol. Gene, the music business has NEVER been fair. is it fair that your worth 400 million, and somebody like Willie Nile makes a modest living. hes BETTER than you lol. You got where you are by hard work yes, but by gimmick and LUCK. now you wanna make it fair for everybody?
its not fair that less than 1% of all music makes ALL the money in the business.
I agree the model is broken, but you could argue that with all the different ways music is heard today, that music is easier and easier to find an audience.
back in radio days, people only heard what the radio decided to play...a total injstice to all the other would be rock stars, and your talking about fairness?
Good idea, flawed reasoning. We know big money determines what gets played on radio. Payola was front and center many years ago and it is still around, only now it is well hidden, so the big labels still pay the piper, a bit more under the table. Talent has little to do with who makes it in the music industry. It has always been about control, and big money buys a lot of control.
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Way it is , Well what ya going to do , Quit or promote on YouTube as the artist. I guess you could quit , Spend the rest of your life watching the Poldarks on Net flix. You always have Rusty Throaty to listen to
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its not fair that less than 1% of all music makes ALL the money in the business. The publishers and marketers have always assumed "control of the flow". They can make or break you and won't ever give up that authority. It must be very convenient, quietly stealing inspiration from the other 99%...
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Nothings fair unless you are on the other side of things Dom, but hey music we can throw about To me it is because the system grew up that way "naturally" and progressively and became engrained practice. You really only need a few at a time to make bigger economic entities go. By that I mean there are industries out there ...name any one. The top people always make more by the end of the first week in January of a given year than the lower tiers make in a year. Sports leagues talking majors and paid minor leagues...Movie industry and any industry where celebrities and trend (models, fashion, luxury) rule....but they "drive" their industries by the status accorded them by the public....driven by their ability to engage their public. When that industry and ancilliary economic opportunities are measure in multiple billions then those few drivers get a lot of the pot Music is no exception to the rule. May not be fair that your Bruce and Gene made\make out like a bandits, but the system allows other people to make a living in music as well...ones we haven't heard of. But they put time and effort and focus into it and find ways to make things happen for themselves. Some of them get lucky and strike it big for awhile.Some have long careers. Some are legendary. Our own (JPF) Bob Young had a great encapsulation of a musician's career. It went "Who is Bob Young? Get me Bob Young! Get me someone who sounds like Bob Young, Who is Bob Young? For me it will never pay my bills because as I say, if it becomes work I have to stop. So it is like hoping my ship comes in without sending any out. Well except I have a Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBv51Yvb9NNL8y3Pk2AZ6mQ/videosAny one want to "Bieber" me I'm good to go In the meantime it fills an intellectual\emotional need, so that I do not need to make money at it. If I had the ability I now have as a songwriter after 50 years of play and 25 of seriously writing sings much earlier....more talent more work...maybe But then again if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle and out of DEI favour in the USA. So I ain't caring because this meets up with me entirely differently than it does with you
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All of the arts and professional sports reward a very tiny fraction, heavily. It is what it is. And whenever any of the multitudes who complain about being overlooked hit it big, they quickly turn Darwin-istic and Marie Antoninette-ish. Such is the world. I suspect that Gene is just looking for a headline in furtherance of Gene. I know next to nothing about him, but what little I have read does not scream altruism. A realistic quest? ...learn how to enjoy and make the best of it using the resources available to you. QUOTE FROM A SAGE In the meantime it fills an intellectual\emotional need, so that I do not need to make money at it.
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Nothings fair unless you are on the other side of things Dom, but hey music we can throw about To me it is because the system grew up that way "naturally" and progressively and became engrained practice. You really only need a few at a time to make bigger economic entities go. By that I mean there are industries out there ...name any one. The top people always make more by the end of the first week in January of a given year than the lower tiers make in a year. Sports leagues talking majors and paid minor leagues...Movie industry and any industry where celebrities and trend (models, fashion, luxury) rule....but they "drive" their industries by the status accorded them by the public....driven by their ability to engage their public. When that industry and ancilliary economic opportunities are measure in multiple billions then those few drivers get a lot of the pot Music is no exception to the rule. May not be fair that your Bruce and Gene made\make out like a bandits, but the system allows other people to make a living in music as well...ones we haven't heard of. But they put time and effort and focus into it and find ways to make things happen for themselves. Some of them get lucky and strike it big for awhile.Some have long careers. Some are legendary. Our own (JPF) Bob Young had a great encapsulation of a musician's career. It went "Who is Bob Young? Get me Bob Young! Get me someone who sounds like Bob Young, Who is Bob Young? For me it will never pay my bills because as I say, if it becomes work I have to stop. So it is like hoping my ship comes in without sending any out. Well except I have a Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBv51Yvb9NNL8y3Pk2AZ6mQ/videosAny one want to "Bieber" me I'm good to go In the meantime it fills an intellectual\emotional need, so that I do not need to make money at it. If I had the ability I now have as a songwriter after 50 years of play and 25 of seriously writing sings much earlier....more talent more work...maybe But then again if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle and out of DEI favour in the USA. So I ain't caring because this meets up with me entirely differently than it does with you It's not me who is proposing the Bill. It's 400 Gehe There are superstars who don't have that kind of money Bruce worked harder than anyone for decades with no money That's not the point really. Point is radio plays what it wants to play, based on dime feedback, but nobody can get rich without exposure So exposure is the golden pot
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I think it was Marc Barnette or maybe Mike Dunbar who said the music business is not about who you know...it is about who knows you
Wise words---dovetails with what you are saying.
And what do they say? There is no such thing as bad publicity?
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Yes, but once your in the club it takes a lot of talent to stay relevan
Bruce, billy Joel, Dylan, Elton
In other words u need luck and help in the door, but few last that long
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