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There seems to be
a consensus that AI music will make its way to mainstream. But notice how nowhere in his video does rick say this will REPLACE songs.

There will be a real paul, and an ai Paul. Real Cobain, AI/fake cobain.

Nowhere does he mention that songs will be written by AI, or that creators of music will be gone, it's just an off shoot, kind of like when sampling became a reality, people were sampling over other artists tracks.

People may like AI Drake over Drake, because Drakes songs suck. His style is what sells. it is a novelty, of course people would be interested in hearing what ifs, like that video what if Van Halen played on Stairway to Heaven etc. It will get old, and the real artists will prevail

With Paul, his younger voice, sure better than his old voice. but who wrote the songs in the first place? Paul

No need to worry songwriters!

What about copyright with AI creations? I think the law is late as always...
people like artists, say, Drake or Kanyo West, but AI just copies their style...
there is no new "Drake" created by AI, just a copy of the original, wait...we have a copyright infringement, right?
What is copyright? As I think copyright = copy + right...
who gave AI the right to copy?
But I see as they say: " No infringement, idea can't be copyrighted, the same with a style or voice - we didn't sample it, just created a new one."
But, as I understand, AI should create, say, Brake (instead Drake) that has a style and voice never existed before

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Excellent point. This Ai stuff may seem overpowering, but take a look at the state of music in last decade or more. Pro Tools, Virtual instruments, click tracks, auto tune, BIAB, Streaming, this is not really new, music has taken a hit from it, and the music is not as good cause of it.

I think the main problems is gonna be with the mashups, and people using say Stevie Ray Vaughns voice, over Hendrix tracks, that would actually be interesting. But we're forgetting that, if the stars they are creating likenesses of werent great artists, and had great songs, and weren't famous because of that, nobody would be wasting their time re-creating them.

AI is not going to write great human songs, or legendary guitar solos like Stairway to Heaven or "beat it" human creativity is superior, we're just not as fast or efficient.

It may replace elevator music, and jingles, and im sure movies or tv may start using it if they thought it would save them some money.

I listed to that oassis stuff, yeah it sounds like Liam Gallagher, but the songs suck. When they use one singer over another artists trakcs to see what it would sound like, thats interesting.

Music is alive and well, stop making excuses are make some good music

Sounds familiar....

https://howtowritesongs.org/2023/02/21/is-ai-going-to-destroy-music/

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...atgpt-song-written-in-style-of-nick-cave

Ouch

One of the main reasons is that music is a creative art form that requires human emotion, interpretation, and expression. Even with the advancement of AI-generated music, there is still a noticeable difference between AI-generated music and human-created music. Human musicians bring in elements such as personal experience, culture, and social context into their music, making it unique and diverse.

Additionally, the music industry relies on the emotional connection between the artist and the audience. Music is a form of expression that allows the artist to convey their emotions and connect with their listeners. This emotional connection cannot be replicated by AI-generated music as it lacks the depth and nuance of human expression.

Where i have i heard somebody say this before?

https://medium.com/24kpoetryclub/ar...ntrolled-and-operated-by-ai-ed7119cf1fbb

rick likes the doomsday videos, i guess they get views.

I think if ive learned anything from all this, is that i need to be using real musicians on my recordings. Im a contrarian by nature, i think thats where im headed. Looking at fiverrr

My suspicion is that Spotify and these people are posturing for the sake of their artists... At the moment. As soon as someone starts making a lot of money with AI songs in some manner, this particular religion will be redefined to fit that moment.

Thinking will "evolve."
TikTok is mostly additive idiocy. The only criteria for entertainment is that it entertains, and can be monetized.

I think right now, it's a novelty. Something new and different, which has always caught public attention. Yes, that would be amazing hearing young Paul singing old Paul's songs. Or hear John Lennon singin Wings stuff. yes it be interesting hearing any of my favorite artists in new and different settings. By back to my point, it's only interesting because we are fans of the music in the first place.

As far as im concerned the only thing that it cant replace is good songs. Good songs has always been a differentiator. I started on guitar, in high school everybody thought i was great. I wasnt, i was just somewhat capable, you quickly realize how bad you are, when you once thought you were the best guitar player in the world, to not even the best guitar player on your street. That's how many musicians there are. Think about it, baseball or basketball, growing up, there were always kids everywhere that kicked your ass, it's the same with guitar.

So having songs or a unique style, a unique guitar sound, etc, is one way of upping your game. Nowadays ive lost most of my guitar chops, and will continue to if i keep going with software.

Even if Ai starts writing great songs, ill still have my contribution to the ocean of music. As should all of us. My main fear is that in an already completely cluttered sea of music, ai might double eor triple that since it requires no effort. And Ai songs will be stolen too, it will be cute and fun until they are asked to pay for the music, then they will steal it.

Some artists are embracing AI, I read peter Gabriel caught heat for challenging his audience to write songs in his style using AI (he's probably not worried), i doubt very much AI could write Shock The Monkey or Sledgehammer and all that amazing stuff he did back in the day

That is the crux. No effort and presto, Marvin Melonhead has a song, and then to feel even more special he calls everyone he knows and tells them how he got it and then the song population goes up by zillions. And it's all kinda silly until someone goes mega viral and makes some real money and others jump on.

Hey FD!

I stumbled on the Rick Beato/AI vid at the top of your post independently of your post (as I've been away) but found it on the money and very entertaining. The entertaining part being "MoreLifeShaq" waxing on about AI Drake. Too funny!

But I found myself saying "YES!!!" to every Beato observation. Most saliently, to paraphrase: "AI is not going away", and "people don't care how a recording came to be, just how it sounds--how it makes them feel" and so forth.

Just keep in mind that although AI does not possess a soul (not yet, at least) that people DO possess souls, and people are responsible for making the thousands of CHOICES that go into assembling/creating a finished AI recording. I worry that many unfamiliar with AI recording artists/art is that you just "press one button" and magically a complete polished song sits on your desktop. Nothing could be further from the truth. Literally thousands of edits and other types of work are involved. The AI sound samples are just the bare foundation from which much human work must be done to achieve anything approaching art.

Stay bitchin', bud

Mike

Hey Mike, good to see you around. Yeah this is a hot topic for sure, but i dont think it needs to be. We're not going to live long enough for this to really erase human beings from songwriting, or performing. No more than guitar Hero erased guitar players, or rdum machines erased drummers, which was predicted as early as the late 70's,

Kids are still buying drum kits every day.

Yeah soul, is something way overblown. I chuckle a bit when i see songwriters say they get their songs from somewhere else, they are just antennas lol.

No dude,, it came from your brain, your brain simplye found a pleasing pattern of sound that you decided to jot down, and voila it became a hit.

Even if i could envision a future of AI artists dominating the airwaves, i think it will still be impressive to somebody that hey, this guy can do that, too.

AI played jeopardy, but humans are still playing it, still amazing to see somebody with all that knowledge..

I love Rick Beatos channel, he just keeps pluggin along after that AI enlightening moment, so it doesnt sound like hes headed that way either.

Something to watch for sure, but it wont be perfected anyway, for quite a long time.

Yes Yes , Artificial intelligence I've been hearing all about it
Here's the way I look at it , If its not a well written song
all your fancy tools won't help it

Nice to meet you, Ben!

Fellow Californian here.

I agree with you about most styles of music.

But lots of modern music, especially hip-hop, is written by organically expanding around a small idea or by backwards engineering around a hook, and the hook is often just a beat. Most listeners don't ask themselves "is this a good song?" --they just respond to it. And you or me or FD might not be familiar enough with the (hip-hop) genre and then perhaps identify a "well-liked" hip-hop song as being "not well written" --while it is, in fact, at least very popular.

This is a tough area (for me) to look at or think about. It brings up my own ignorance about so much cultural and musical styles and heritages.

But it leads me to think about the kind of questions to be asking, in this regard, as being (for example) "what, in this day-and-age, can constitute a well-written song?" ie, can a well written song be one that relentlessly exploits a rhythmic hook at the expense of other things such as melody?

Mike

FD,

I agree with everything you said, and said well.

Mike

PS...boring response to your post, FD, I know, haha...it makes me think that "contrarians" have all the fun.

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