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That's how you see it Tony.
To me, all of that is an argument and distraction from a songwriting site's reason for being, set up for the purpose of entertaining Tony.

Well, as usual, and just for the sake of argument, I have an entirely different take on all of this...

I started a "prophecy" thread, you turned it into a religious/political argument.

I started a "rant arena", you turned it into a religious/political argument.

I resurrected "the good news" thread, you turned it into a religious/political argument.

I comment on anything, you turn it into a religious/political argument.

Brian starts a politics thread, you brag about how much fun your having with it.

That's not to mention all my threads that have been deleted...

THEN, YOU PROJECT YOUR OBSESSIVE/COMPULSIVE DISORDER UPON EVERYBODY, AND USE YOUR AGE AS AN EXCUSE!

You're, "YOU", are the fuk'n annoyance here, Mr Lide.


Typical obsessive/compulsive...

I see Marylin Manson, P-Ditty, Green Day, Bruce Springsteen, Taylor Swift... and "YOU" have the audacity to define "ENTERTAINMENT" and "REASON" for everyone?

You truly have lost your mind...

The Marty bash has been moved to General Discussion.

Good!

Now, until you have something better to contribute to this site, fuk'n stay there!

You know what I find peculiar?

Whenever there's a disturbance here, you never find Dom without Mr Lide...

But,

Every time I lay into Mr Lide, Dom just disappears...

"POOF"

O_o

Eddie you have always been a great guy. You did not take sides and i have nothing but respect for you. John Schick, Everette, there are some great people here.


when i log out of jpf, its behind me, Marty wants to research people, he has that kind of meaningless so he can afford to do that.

hes 70, i dont know what the current life expectancy is, but if would hope even for his sake he do something more meaningful

all he does is talk aboujt what he wants, when he gets it, he doesnt last two days. he wants something else then.

and exactly, im never allowed to defend myself. i make a review, i get attacked by a gang of tools, and i cant fight back

fack this idiot.

Well taking sides is something one should always be careful of doing as, "if its not your argument," why become involved too deeply into something unless its of dire importance to yourself or your own welfare. Most arguments are not black and white, that's why "debate" was invented. I could give advice to you both, but it really isn't my place to do so as I have learned in life to mind my own biz. I suppose as a moderator - if words become threatening or too lewd, yes then I would taddle-tale to Brian and bring it to his attention. Having said that, I'm not willing to begin policing the forum......where would you draw a line in the sand........this is America after all. But I will say this: My Dad taught me to always think twice before you speak ill of anyone/anything if its not appropriate, productive, or constructive--nothing to be gained from that. But he also taught me to defend my honor, dignity, family, & country.

Being "sensitive" is a natural emotion, learning to thicken your skin and become less retaliatory is maturity. You are a bright individual and very good at constructing argumentative debate and critiquing when you choose--maybe just keep it more vanilla as people ARE sensitive creatures. Once two people attack each other, yes someone may have been the instigator or antagonist--but it can still lead to both parties creating a vicious circle of going nowhere. You have the right according to the JPF rules to be anonymous, and for all I know, you have your own good reasons--I do think being anonymous makes it more difficult for people to trust you however. I've wondered perhaps if you are an anonymous famous music artist that just hangs around here for fun and enjoys some verbal bantering? I really don't think that. But maybe extend and olive branch to your opponents whom you match wits with? I'm not giving you advice, rather suggestions......You are your own man, but making friends is easier and more rewarding.........and if you cannot find a congenial relationship with someone---move on and don't waste your energy on obstinate circumstances.

eddie

Seriously?

Eddie, consider this...

If I accused you of being Brian's imaginary alter ego when you weren't around, would you return to the site attacking Brian? Or, would you simply come back to correct "ME"?

Take your time...

Tony, Marty is not , for Jesus H. Christ sakes ,he's not me. There is nothing more obvious than that

Listen to the man's music. Right there ends the debate

Hmmmn... Almost no music posts v/s all AI posts. That doesn't help your case.

I accused you two of being a "tag-team" several years ago when I began to notice trends/similarities across several sites. Face it, "online songwriting" is a small world. Ultimately, that evolved into "MartyDom", and the two of you have been trying to cancel me ever since... just like everywhere else.

Japov,

That's funny, Brian's alter ego. Nope, I haven't really had much correspondence with Brian ever--a few PM. I do see his posts on FB. He asked me to be a monitor about 3 years ago when some other older members bowed out of the position--I said sure as I've enjoyed the site for a decade. I asked him what it entailed, he said just basically if you see content unacceptable mainly concerning trolls, to let him know. But I was around here 3 or 4 years ago much more. Maybe I should asked to be relieved as a monitor as I can't delete threads, nor want to be a bouncer.

As far as attacking Brian.......I wouldn't be attacking anyone Japov......and I'm not correcting anyone. I might defend a point or myself, but I wouldn't be dragged into a p-ssing contest either. Gosh, I don't have enough leisure time now for friends & family or making much music either. I presume you were referring to someone else about the AI as I know nothing about using AI for songwriting. I could embrace it if I were interested but I'm not in the least. I'm just an old school songwriter and enjoy recording and producing music--and of course utilizing some good musicians along the way. I only gave my two cents on this thread to just "maybe" mellow a few hearts--nothing more. But hey its fine with me if people want to argue and scrap verbally.

I've been participating on this particular site for quite some time... and had no idea of all of your back stories.
And I have to say... it's pretty boring!

You guys go on like some of the bitchers at the other sites... maybe, it's just you guys under different names.
I'm here for my music, and to hear other's "home-grown" stuff.

If you have a problem with someone... write them a song.
I did... and people loved it until they found out it was about one of the members:

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14831178

I see no point...

I missed this post.

Consider this though (no REM pun)

The human brain is a computer, less efficient than machines in some ways maybe intuition, it's better.

But music dies not come from the sky, it comes from the brain.

Every song one has ever listened to is stored in your brains computer. When you write music, play a guitar solo, etc, you are drawing from your brains computer, and re organizing it, into something you believe to be original.

Of all the thousands of songs here, how many are borrowing something they heard... Like 100%

In order for music to be recognized as music, it must be based on the past. Otherwise
It would sound crazy.

The people who we call "good" are better at recall, and pulling something out of seemingly nowhere, when it's not out of nowhere.

The problem now is anybody and everybody has access to the same musical brain, with less processing needed.

In the end the people who were always better, will still find a way to be better. Subjectivity and all ..

The other thing Is you say you like listening to real music.. not computers.

How will you know? You know here cause it's said up front, and we know who's using cause, so and so is not a girl.

But if you turned on the radio and a song done by Ai was on, you may not know. If you do, it won't be long before it's indistinguishable .

So it may come to the point where either we adapt or become dinosaurs

I look forward to doing so where I have control of it...or more precise control.

I think even now we have control of it by making it do it over and over till we find what we like.

This all applies to lyrics too, but I haven't really seen a. Interesting lyrics from ai, it's more comical than serious. But that's gonna get better too

Maybe you can try to entertain EVERYONE, instead of just this small group of piranhas you swim with!

FDE,

I can understand the dismissive and or rude approach if one is approached by someone who is looking to sell his art. No one here, I think, is trying to sell their song to you.
If you think the song is "bad" just move on.... don't buy it. Let me tell you something that I think you already know.... what goes around, comes around.

I wrote something about ai, looks like you are dismissive about that.

But that's bot the point really. Your posting a song, what's the reason for posting ? To see what people think of it. There is no other reason.

So if they are essentially asking what do you think of my latest song.

Do you tell everybody "good job"

That's not what people want. What they do want is to be told they are good. When that don't happen I'm the bad guy.

What comes around goes around? I was never a Nashville writer, was never big into country, I learned a bit on the TS site which is gone.

I would get critiqued designed for Nashville, I didn't even know what they were talking about, except that it would never fly

I am not immune to bad reviews, if somebody is sincere I have no problem with it. I may listen to their work to see what level they are on.

But bottom line is people post to be told they are good. But that's not going to happen most of the, some will think it sucks

The pond is smaller than you think... and MartyDom are everywhere.

https://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1198720/re-the-new-great-thing.html#Post1198720

Tony's a perfect example. He posts songs to see what kind of reaction it sets off in people.

So what? Why does that bother you. If you like it, simply say so and why you do. If you don't, simply say that you don't and why you don't.

Your attitude is like a fever that is sweeping All the music sites.
Take an aspirin and wash it down with a big glass of wine.

I'll tell you what people want...
They want to be accused with being too handsome, they want their works to be recognized as brilliant, and they want to be compensated richly for it.

just because you don't get what you want, that shouldn't be enough excuse to be miserable.

Some "Thick-n-Thin" friends would be nice

Wno that's a dream, what they want is somebody to like the song they posted.

I know several who left because the time given to their song wasn't worth the time they invested in producing it.

Steve,

Did you see the FaceBook songwriting group where a woman was banned about a week ago for threatening to shoot someone?
The moderator bans her and then posts something along the lines of "threatening to kill people will not be tolerated in this group."

LOL

I belong to that group, but I have only posted two songs that got no comments. I'm afraid to post any more.