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Where Was I ? (being cheated on)



All I Want Is Nothin' (managing expectations)
https://soundcloud.com/sunset-poet-of-texas/all-i-want-is-nothin


Don't Let Us Die For Nothing (foreign wars)



Take A Pass (turning down a one night stand)



Gone By Dawn (cocaine destroys a marriage)
https://soundcloud.com/sunset-poet-of-texas/gone-by-dawn-250307


All The Hell That Left With You (final salute to an EX)
https://soundcloud.com/sunset-poet-of-texas/all-the-hell-that-left-with-you

High Plains (missing someone who died)
https://soundcloud.com/sunset-poet-of-texas/high-plains-bereavement

Think you should put this in another section.

Sure a couple will chime in saying they listened to the whole thing..

I havent though

I don't expect anyone to listen to all of my songs.
I don't expect anyone to even care about my songs.

Brian had requested this in a post.
David has already done it.
It seems like a good idea because the site is getting strung out with press and Go songs.

That's because there's not enough forums for it .lyrics have three.

But , even so. So once you post all your whole thing, you're done?

And how does it keep it from being buried? I'm about to post another song

I'm not concerned with the songs being buried or who listens to them or anything else. When I put up a new one, I'll bump the thread and date the song. That will be that

Lol. Got it

Added WHERE WAS I ? 250503
See post at top

I think what you and David did is a great idea. It is better than people coming in and posting twenty songs to push everyone else out of the thread. If you have it in an album, I think it is a great idea to post the whole album but maybe just do it as a playlist with each song off of the album linked in a format similar to this:

Artist:
Album Title (Linked)
Album Length: 45:41 (Example)
1. Song (Linked) | Song length: 3:25 (Example)
2. Song (Linked)
3. Song (Linked)
4. Song (Linked)
5. Song (Linked)

And so forth. That way someone's work can stay in the feed for everyone to listen to. If they listen to one song, maybe they will listen to the others. If not, no biggie. But it would be a much better idea than just posting one song after another to keep a person's material at the top. That smacks of selfishness in my opinion. It isn't going to improve or take away from the quality of their songs if they are worth listening to. I love your and David's idea. I think it is cool. I may do that same thing myself. If people want to push it down the thread by posting ten of their songs at once, that's up to them. But I like your idea. I personally would stray away from the videos if a person chooses to take that route. It makes for a lot of scrolling. But otherwise, I think David's idea is brilliant and both of you are on to something. And apparently others do too. I like your music. I appreciate anyone who strives and toils to follow their passion for song. Good stuff!

Wesley,

Agreed. AI songs are a snap to produce. I write some lyrics and then music that used to take days or weeks to produce...takes minutes.

And the songsphere clogs with mp3s. Aggregating it cleans it up some.

Marty

It's a bad idea for several reasons.

If you're looking for feedback, nobody is going to give you in depth reviews on your whole collection. Particularly if you write alot. I'm not listening to twenty songs of anybody , not unless it's so freaking good I can't help myself

if you just looking for somebody to say....good stuff. Well we can take care if that...

Mathematically, your still posting alot of songs, and bumping them. Your just bumping one post dozens of times

I'd be bumping my post every day with a new song. And it's not going to stay there any longer. Somebody else will just bump their latest.

Not a fix, but do what you want.

I kinda like one at a time. Not asking for alot of time or effort from anyone

Man, I gave you feedback the other day in the form of a quality critique and you didn't like it. You said I didn't understand the genre when I instantly recognized a melody based on 90's grunge and poor lyrics for what it was. Even though I gave it a positive reinforcement critique and know the genre so well that I can date the history of rock n' roll to an expression used by Trixie Smith's 1922 blues recording, "My Man Rocks Me (With One Steady Roll)". This song, and the term "rocking and rolling" itself, predates the mainstream use of the phrase by radio DJ Alan Freed in the 1950s, which is often credited with popularizing the term for the genre. What they are doing beats clogging the thread and constantly moving songs to the top to stay relevant. How's that a good idea? That isn't fair to everyone. It is more selfish than anything imho. Good songs get pushed down the thread and never get any attention because of one or two people "bumping" it. What is the difference between people going into one thread and listening to the songs compared to going into twenty threads and listening to them? It's a one size fits all that gives everyone a chance to stay in the thread for awhile without being shoved down by dozens of songs by one or two artists intent on keeping theirs at the top without any consideration for others. Nobody is saying anyone has to listen to every song. They can pick, choose, and re-visit if they want. If not, so be it. Apparently, the powers that be think it is an excellent idea and I just so happen to agree wholeheartedly with them. Not knocking anyone. Just my opinion.

No it's not that you didn't understand the genre, it's that out of all the great tunes I had been posting , you picked one that was in the weaker side, ti comment. They all do that here. I even prefaced saying not one of my favorite writes.

But your sitting here telling Marty his idea is good, but said nothing about any of his songs , but used thread to advertise your album.

Dom

I don't care if Wesley "advertises" his songs on my thread. At least, he is on the subject of songs and his songs are truly good songs. Not only are they well written but he understands his genre and target audience. That is undoubtedly based on years of seeing what lights up his DJ audiences.

Wesley's interaction with me, enhances my thread and this site.

You and your perpetual search for an argument does not.

It's on topic? What's the topic here? Marty's songs, he says nothing about Marty's songs here

You shouldn't have started with me again. It's ok for anybody else to post, but when I do you get your feelings hurt

Now play the victim card

Dom
At this time, there appear to be two people that post on this site who actually know something about songwriting and produce a good product. Wesley is one. John Schick is the other. Wesley's songs are "tight" and targeted, and obviously based on a personal understanding of audience appeal. John appears to have a longstanding relationship with a publisher, for whom, he produces a viable product.

They enhance the site. You and I, and pretty much everyone else here are just having fun.
If you beat this current dead horse until Wesley says phuquit and leaves, you will have driven off a greater asset than yourself.

Your proclamations about your songs being great are delusional.
They are not.
You write about odd, unrelatable topics, except to you.
Using SUNO , you put a "garage band" sound with your often disjointed lyrics, resulting in songs that sound like they were done by an adolescent.

Taken all together, that displays a personality disorder, not a great songwriter.
Sure you get some compliments, but as you have stated over and over, people on these forums hand out compliments like candy in the hopes of getting some back.

If you are truly concerned about this site, don't annoy people with more to offer than you.
Put up your songs. If people like them, then they do. If they don't, then they don't.

Harassing Wesley wont improve that.

Move on and endeavor to write something that is actually good.

Marty,

Thanks so much for the kind words. I really appreciate it. And I do like your music. I've told you that. I think you have a lot to work with depending upon what your long term goals are. Even if they aren't with professional intentions of selling songs or whatever, it is always great to better yourself at the craft just like anything else a person loves to do with their time. As you are aware, our progressions in life are made through practice. If a person hammers two pieces of wood together when they are 8 and 50 years later, they are still doing the same thing the same way without having progressed, the effort is wasted.

I am not going to go back and forth with that guy. I've moderated lyric forums in the past and I can recognize the type in an instant. Nothing he says is going to affect me. I'm not thin skinned. If a person is thin skinned in this business, even if it is sitting on a chair playing acoustic in some dive bar, they won't last two songs. Criticism is a way of life in this business. The further you dive into it, the harsher it becomes. I won't deny that there has been a few occasions it has gotten to me too. Nashville can be brutal to put it mildly.

Keep doing what you are doing. You have a talent. What you choose to do with that is up to you. But don't label yourself as someone who doesn't bring something to the table. I would firmly disagree with that assessment. Thanks again for the kind words.

Fdemetrio,

I have been doing this for a very long time. I don't claim to be an expert or perfect at it. But I am a professional in the music world. I have moderated lyric forums in the past. I recognize behavior. Bumping material up to make one's self look relevant smacks of selfishness. I have looked at several of your lyrics. You seem to have no interest whatsoever in learning the craft itself. Is there talent there? Yes. But it is worthless if you aren't willing to hone it into something better than the same old thing song after song. Your structure is poor, your titles unimaginative, hooks non-existent, syllable count all over the board, and your general attitude is of someone who thinks a lot more of his skills than anyone else does. Which makes you unteachable. You are overly sensitive to the slightest criticism which speaks volumes in itself. You can't be that way in this art. Or any art for that matter. It will get you nowhere and is only doing yourself a disservice.

Nothing you say is going to affect me whatsoever. If I valued your opinion, it might. But I don't because nothing you have demonstrated to me to this point would warrant that kind of respect from me. I sincerely hope that you will quit lashing out at the people on here who disagree with you. It is childish. Rather than post 50 songs which aren't good, take your time, practice the craft, put a little more effort into it, and over time, you will look back and be amazed at how far you've come. That's progress. That's the art of music. That's the kind of artistic endeavor that actually might make one of your songs worth playing someday. Bumping trash songs with trash lyrics isn't.

Marty mentioned John Schick who is an excellent example to follow. So is Robert (couchgrouch). You can learn so much that applies to your own music by studying their lyrics and song structure. You can also learn tons simply by studying the lyrics of great artists in your genre of choice. As is, I would File 13 everything to this point. I don't have to listen to every one of them to know that it is just more of the same. There is promise in there but it will remain unfulfilled if something doesn't changed. I hope you will do so.

I'm not trying to be harsh or a jerk to you. Nor am I trying to discourage you. I meant it sincerely the other day when I said that I admire anyone who has a love for music. But this nonsense I'm witnessing here, I've seen thousands of times. It's not cool, it's not mature, and it certainly doesn't paint you in a good light. Good luck and take care.

John Shick is a great human. He does not write lyrics but great at musical vignettes. No problem with John at sll

First of all, your re doing all the bunping. Yourself Marty, rob h

You write basic songs, not very interesting at all, at least not to me.

For some reason, you think you have a loft to sit on

You critique a grunge song from the 90s and give it a faux Nashville review. Only an amateur with no clue would do that, or just somebody looking to start something

Your songs are not great chief.

I've been at it a long time too, since I was 15, only I play and sing too.

Your album is about as pedestrian as they come, nothing new, nothing interesting, just same ole.

Your not bad, but not good either.

See? Anybody can say the same thing.

Work on your craft, I'll be here to help you.

Meanwhile, if your going to critique be consistent, and dont sugar coat for your pals here.

And you seem to Iove trying to validate yourself

Wesley

Been on a motorcycle all day. Left Alpine this morning. In Fredericksburg for the night.
Thanks for your feedback and encouragement.

I write narratives about human conditions. Sometimes I have the hook in mind at the outset. Most of the time, I get into the story and then look for the hook. My songs are usually too emotionally "raw," to be commercially viable. My hooks are not usually quips, but emotional realizations. I let the songs go where they want for the greatest emotional payload. They get too edgy for many

"All I Want Is Nothin' is the closest that I have posted to what I think would be a radio song. It lives in the same general area as "People Are Crazy" by Billy Currington.

On a site that is more strictly focused on songwriting and the owner has some actual "Street" credentials, a poster declared the song "strong" and ask me what I planned to do with it.
Play it out, etc?

Another couple of posters whom I don't know called "Where Was I"..."outstanding" and "exceptional."

So I believe that I have some talent. However much depends on whoever is listening and cares to say. However, it is an absolute fact that I am not in the music business, but a hobbyist.

Having said all of that...On the bike today, a country-quip-hook rattled in my head for a while. Not sure of its viability. You have displayed musicality, a practical and detailed study of song structure, lyrical talent, the ability to recognize commercial viability and reasoning skills. Rare around here. Do you want to take a look at the hook and maybe do a co-write around it.

The other benefit is location. If we did a co-write, I could meet you at an open mic somewhere and play it. I'll buy.

If that works, lemme know. If you're booked up, no prob.

Marty

The two of you on the same bill?

This is bigger than Elton and Billy Joel

Dom

So you've come on my thread and taken a dump after admonishing me for not showing respect to your song threads. I'm sure that in your mind that balances some twisted scales.
What you don't realize is that I don't care. It is not my site. You have found yet, a new person to harass and pick a fight with. Nothwithstanding, I personally see you as the victim of a personality disorder.

The fact that you are allowed to endlessly do what you do is Brian's fault. He pointlessly allows it to detriment of his own property
.
It makes no sense for me to be concerned, beyond an occasional minor annoyance.
And to not donate again.

Don't worry. I'm going to leave your threads alone. You can't accept truthful criticism anyhow. When your songs go un-commented, I am not going to be the fictitious reason.

Consider this however...
You flood the AI section with remarkably unremarkable songs. And then when no one comments, you blame it on me or person X. You seem to feel that Marty can persuade people around here to boycott people that I point at. Not reality.

A suggestion...put up fewer songs and make sure that they are truly good before you post them. You are over supplying and devaluing your own stock.

Na na na, you started this. With my first experience, then you destroyed a new song you knew nothing about

I dint mind you not liking my work, I encourage it actually. But you did that as an attack, there are some completely awful songs here.

Never got any apology then you go and do same thing... again

Play the victim or dumb or both. I have the threads copied.

So when is this once in a lifetime pairing of some of the finest writers on earth going to take place?

Dom,

"thread's copied" ?

I started this??

You could write this foolishness, or you could spend your time endeavoring to write songs that would interest people enough to comment. You don't.

It's a disorder, and I suspect that you are well aware of that.

This coming from a hack who is too embarrassed to even show his lyrics. Cause you know they are pointless and as interesting as traffic signs

Please, do me a favor, when you play your concert , PLEASE do gonna take a pass... Your original way.

Worth the price of admission

I appreciate your kind words. I'll work with you on it. Send me your title and any ideas you have for the direction of it i.e. lyrics etc. and we'll do it back and forth in PM. You can keep it. You don't have to pay me anything. I think it would be cool. I enjoy working with people who will work with me. I've done collabs that were too serious, some that were fun, and some that were goofy parody type stuff. Who knows, we might write a real winner or come up with something stupid for the fun of it. I do well if I know as much as possible about the direction like genre, key, tempo, time signature, vibe/feel, chord progression for a melody, and general summary. But if you don't have all of those, just send me what you do have and I'll piddle with it. I have a lot going on promoting my albums but it is nice to take a break from it sometimes. Fredericksburg is a cool place to visit. I was there last year picking up a Camaro to drive back to Amarillo, TX for a friend. In my years on the road, I made it a point to visit as many Civil War, Revolutionary War battlefields, and historical things like that. I dig that kind of thing. Those battlefields are eerie. PM me with what you have and I'll see what I can do. Can you work off of a chord chart? LMK in PM.

Wes

Wesley

Send me an email to sunset.poet.texas@gmail.com.

I'll set up a working folder in the cloud and send you the link

There are no deadlines. Do whatever you feel like whenever you feel like doing it.


On Fredericksburg...not Penn. Was there last September. Magnificent battlefield and NatPark


I'm in Fredericksburg Texas in the Hill country.