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This is a new Pinned Post for anyone to ask questions or offer tips and tricks to get better results from A.I.

It is also for any concerns or warnings. See below and share any tips or tricks you have. Like it or not, this is only going to become more normal and powerful. It is akin to when people first developed writing and alphabets to store and pass on info, art and culture.

Also beware:

For those who think they can upload this A.I. stuff as a commercial product, even though legally you CAN do it, beware. I am starting to see common orchestration techniques with my songs where backing melodies and riffs are used over and over. It may happen in human created music, but the A.I. seems to repeat stuff that sounds really cool (usually outside your original melody) in the background of tracks. I can see where this will end in lawsuits if any label backed act has that riff or musical hook line and then your A.I. music ALSO has it. Or, when A.I. creations start getting sued by OTHER A.I. creations. Then it is simply about who has the most money to buy justice.

I thought maybe it was just "my" choice that led to these common styles in my own music, but for the first time I heard an exact riff on a friends new song which has the same exact riff as one of my songs from 4 months ago. THAT is a problem! Humans cop riffs all the time, but once lawsuits start to fly, A.I. creators are going to be in trouble. I have gone back and redone some of my favorite tracks recently to remove certain musical flourishes (again, that I love) to try and protect from future issues. My melodies and words are not the danger, it is counter melodies and signature riffs provide by A.I. that are an issue.

I will repost this as it's own post to folks might see it.

Well, that's what I've been saying since day one. It creates based on what's been done already. Riffs and counter melodies can be "composed" too

But if you choose to let AI do it, maybe you just write lyrics , so it's what demo services have been doing forever.

They don't work weeks on their filler riffs and melodies, more like on the fly saying....good enough.

I think the bigger lawsuits are when it steals from hit songs, uses likenesses of singers voices, mimicks a band sound. I'm sure I could get it to play a u2 production, and it basically be playing a u2 record with my lyric.

Everything is stolen with ai.

And, ironically, it learns, so anything we put into it , it can use that for somebody else's work.

Especially weird if you have a very unique lyric idea, that will be used partly in something else.

So not only will it steal from famous artists, it will steal our ideas too

This has ALWAYS been a problem even with top session players. If you are not an A list client, you get the B list riffs from the catalog they have of them. Legal precedence protects say a session player who plays similar riffs on many songs, because they can't "plagiarize" themselves. So I am guessing if he plays the same riff on two recordings, on won't be able to sue the other. But with A.I., none of that will apply.

It has gotten worse. A.I. has now copied MY melody from one song to an entirely different song in a different genre with different lyrics. Even the key is different, but it is IDENTICAL. I have created a "problem" playlist with 2 blatant infringement examples. I upload my own songs to start each session, but this used my own recording on a different song, on another. So that likely means it is doing it across artists. I also got a result that was random but it included 2 bad demo quality recordings of another song entirely. At first I chalked it up to being a dud. But then I realized it was someone else's song! It wasn't good, but it was clearly a finished song demo they had uploaded. I am trying to find it in my rejected tracks. I have done over 7000 songs and I don't remember which one I was working on when that happened.

Has anyone else had this happen?

Brian

As I think this through, my SUNO assisted song for "Already Broken" reminds me a lot of Skid Row's "Youth Gone Wild"...

Peace,

Dave

Speaking of reusing "riffs". I had 2 songs produced by the same demo service from Nashville, but not at the same time. They were a few months apart, but I immediately recognized the riff. It was used in one demo song of mine before. LOL
As for the subject of AI personally, I have uploaded my own audio, and when I get one I like, I extract the vocal and drop it into my daw, and produce a song around the vocal, and edit the vocal too. Some of them I hire a singer. Others I don't. But it's fun and nice to learn to produce and mix in a daw. I use FL Studio. It extracts stems, and audacity will, too, but needs a plugin for it. Perhaps I'll share some here in this forum. I imagine you and everyone has seen the latest about copyright? This article: U.S. Copyright Office says AI gener...�� if a human contributes to or edits it
Just a FYI: So far the UK and Australia accepts songs using AI for sync briefs.

I can understand the points you've made and they are good ones. But you can listen to a lot of pop and rap songs and they built a song based upon what others had written before whether it be the lyric or the melody. There are a lot of songs out there in those genres which are like that and have been for decades. The other thing is, as you mentioned, you can send your hard earned money into one of numerous Nashville scam studios that will send back some generic idea of the vision they have for your music. Borrowing upon riffs done hundreds of times for other unsuspecting fools who just wanted to believe they had something to give the world musically. To me, what the music industry has done to aspiring artists for decades is now coming back to bite them. What goes around comes around. Of course they hate A.I. It takes a good majority of the industry and so called "professional opinions" and tosses it in the trash where it belongs and always did. It really is all in perspective. For those gifted with the ability to sing, play an instrument, compose music, etc., they have always had the market cornered. People who can just write lyrics, no matter how good they are, never stood a chance. People who can play but can't write lyrics, never stood a chance. People who can sing but can't play or write lyrics, never really stood a chance. But AI changes that. It makes it where someone lacking in one or more of those areas can make up for it. In the right perspective, use of modern technology is an instrument in itself. That's just my two cents on it.

Well, then there is also the topic of the Six Song Country Mashup, it's been out at least 10 yrs and I'm sure many have heard or read about it. I know some peeps wanna hollar AI steals, etc etc. but what about using a formula like in this mashup, as the saying goes, if it ain't broke don't fix it, just alter it 🤣 ; Six Song Mashup or using the same chords to make multiple songs. Grant it I don't play an instrument, but just sayin' ... I know professional songwriters, are using Suno now to create demos for pitching ... AI is here and not going anywhere ... it is a tool for many songwriters, esp those that are lyricists only or can't sing or even create a melody for songs. I know what I hear in my head is not what falls out of my mouth. 😁🤣

I have an instrumental that "borrows" from a classic rock song on purpose. So I uploaded that portion and wouldn't you know that A.I. grabbed it and made some killed instrumental tracks with it. So I quickly wrote some lyrics and ran it again and bam, a really cool live sounding loose jam like we used to do at clubs in the 80s and 90s. We would often do 1 prog rock long jam each night based around a well known riff from a current song. In this case, it is a bass riff from the 70s and it sounds so great, but I can't do anything fun with it because it is clearly THAT riff. Sort of like a rap sample where if you made a penny they would take it and may sue for damaged too.

Courts will be packed. I think Copyright needs a MAJOR update to be on top of any of this. I hear blatant infringements all the time on radio/streaming. It just takes the wrong [naughty word removed] to get in big trouble. Most artists let it go since most of them lifted bits from others, but some, like Don Henley, are raging jerks. Of course he is totally fine ripping off ticket buyers by lip synching his vocal parts while the ban plays to click tracks, but it's okay when he cheats.