JPF Home Page Forums General Messages General Message Forum Will AI replace session players

I doubt it will replace many. But it WILL give everyone who wants one the option of having it dirt cheap. If I had the cash I would definitely hire session players, but since I don't (at least not for what I am doing currently) A.I. is giving me whatever production I need for these purposes. That said, I would much rather just say "I want X" and get it rather than spending all day to get the right sounding track using tech. I am simply creating basic demos to illustrate the idea of these songs, so that if the opportunity to record finished albums arises I am ready with all my pre production figured out so we can get right at it in studio. I think most pros will keep using studio people as always, but now all the masses can ALSO have a boost to the quality of heir creations. I am awaiting decent video options which still seems distant beyond commercials where products are highlighter or short takes with models. Much work to do to make narrative content. I want to make videos for my songs but it isn't there yet.

Fair enough Brian. Dirt cheap ? that's a understatement , penny a track

AI was just a flash in the pan... it's not even worth complaining about.
Look at the numbers down below; People would rather read lyrics than listen to AI lol.

Until AI gives the user complete control, it will never do anything truly original.
BUT, if you have control then it's not really AI... Right?

Lol, stealing ideas from AI is like eating beef stew out of a can

Thats right AI has taken over all forums and live tracks are being compared to machines. Well its all redundant by now , AI is not leaving forums

Ben and his...AI has taken over forums.

What forums? Here and???

Forums are dead anyway, if anything the novelty of AI kicked some life into forums

And for certain AI has not taken over popular music. I think it's cause the focus of music has always been on the person making it.

I got bored with Udio. I'm not just a lyricist I'm a singer songwriter.

I know suno offers more now, but I would absolutely love for AI to give me a way to have a band for my music.

Naturally wed all like real players and I think much like band in a box, it will still be hard to get AI to do exactly what you want, with the right cadences and right settings and to just sound like it's really playing with you, well see how it progresses.

But humans will always have interest what other humans do. Even if non humans can do it too

Well the topic is will AI take over session players
Pretty much on this site and one other site , session players are a dying breed it looks like

Well you might be the only one who used session players here at All.

Some bought demos, others used band in a box , others did it all themselves with rise of pro tools.

Session players was always more expensive

Probably so Dom. I like the process. Nicky V is a talented guy. He just had a baby. I think he's confused as the next guy on what all AI means to the industry

You are talking a lot about something you really have no clue about. I am taking 100% original content (that I created in the 90s) and simply using A.I. to give me better vocal quality (just like EVERY major artist does in the studio) and to improve the sonic quality of the stuff I played way back then. This is FAR different than just putting lyrics in and letting it randomly create a music track. It uses my piano, bass, guitar, vocal quirks, melody lines, backing vocals, and drums and at most adds some flourishes here and there, just like they do with session players in studios. If you hear super original stuff from major artists, most of the time that is just A list session players putting their best licks on some high paying label artists album. That is not any more creative (it's less actually) that I am doing because it is my parts that are being boosted sonically. Now and then the A.I. will do something interesting that enhances what I (or my band mates) did already. Right now I am putting my tracks in and having some A Capella versions done around my production counter melodies etc. and that is super cool. But it is just the A.I. putting a vocal in place of a string line or synth riff or guitar lick. But it is super fun. It is the same way these super A Cappella groups work. They write vocal lines to mimic famous songs. This is much the same approach. But all those interesting A Cappella backing parts are just using my original orchestrations.

So you should actually USE the stuff well enough to see what it can actually do before commenting because you're just assuming a lot and you're mostly wrong. I am spending the same amount of time tweaking A.I. to get it right as I did when I wrote these songs are recorded those old versions in the 90s. But since my hands barely work anymore, it is actually easier than trying to play into the DAW. Though I did recently come up with a musical ideal then finished it in A.I, afterwards. It is just another tool.

Brian

It means the lower tier of "session players" may as well learn A.I. as a studio tool for the lower level songwriters they were already serving. Now instead of putting together a stock song for shitty lyrics, they can just enter them into A.I. along with some riffs and structure and much more effectively give their customers what they want just as before. The serious studio guys will get as many corporate gigs as before, but the tech they use isn't much different than the A.I. stuff in the end. The difference will be the same as before: A list session players are just better more innovative people on their instruments, so their track plus all the A.I. processing will always be cooler than the statue quo. Plus a pro player is much faster than A.I. It takes weeks to get songs right in A.I. if you are creating something original. A live player can nail what the buyer wants very quickly.

Nicky V rarely hears the finished product. I use him for acoustic tracks then build around him . I like process of track building. I find it more enjoyable then AI tracks

Rob recently uploaded a phone recording of mine to illustrate how close AI can get. Honestly, I was impressed.

HOWEVER,

It still had that ultra-clean mechanical feel... And Rob said you can only upload 30sec samples. What about bridges, breaks, modulation, off-beat syncopation?

I'd really like to hear some before/after examples of songs that are more than just V/CH/V/CH...

BUT,

I would probably still be very paranoid about TEACHING AI to be like ME. O_o

2 minutes uploads are now supported, not just 30 seconds. Wait for the next version and they will surely support longer uploads.

The topic is will AI replace session players , On most sites it has/ penny tracks and robot singers

Sorry I was off-topic. I just wanted to correct Tony's statement.

its a big problem , way it is

I'M "ON TOPIC"!


Why don't you geniuses answer my question?

Nothing including erratic human emotions cannot be mapped, emulated and predicted with numbers.
AI is coming for all of it.
And AI will be much faster and smarter than humans, and it will feed on itself.

Any form of musicianship will be captured. Ultimately any level of skill and nuance.
There will be exceptions, but they will be exceptions.

For now, people still seem to want to be entertained by people in concert halls. My suggestion is that musicians concentrate on playing out live.

Good point. Brian is right, when I can't play anymore AI will probably be up to speed for me.

However,
currently, in a live situation, the best I can do is play rhythm guitar and sing backup...
So, as long as I can still record on a "good day", I will!

Hey guys, I said I was sorry. I just wanted to say that Suno accepts 2 minute uploads. Nothing more, nothing less. This place is getting too rough for me. Have fun.

See you later - Robert

For anyone interested or curious or just need more fodder to hate on AI assisted music....

https://howtopromptsuno.com/


(*of note - The writer of that post suggests a WHOLE LOT of other 3rd party products to "enhance" or "tweak" the SUNO generated outcome. Just sayin'....)


Peace,

Dave

Bens gonna say it's off topic.

How bout them Knicks?

I guess all the posts on AI , Session players like Nicky V and most of Nashville lost the race to AI except for a few song writers still hanging on to the human race.

The Knicks ? They'll be robots soon I guess

All I'm reading is about AI in this topic , Not one thumbs up for sessions players , Like Real drummers , real bass players real singers ect ect. it shows the mind set of songwriters and how they dismiss humans . Then cry AI is destroying everything else .

If that is Rick's newest one, he left out so much info it is really Lying by Omission. He gave no effort or examples of actual songwriters (who write both words and melody) and use Suno to "cover" their versions in other styles, genders, or in updated production. I see Suno entirely as a production tool. I have never had it write a single word and only when I am writing children's songs with my granddaughter do I not upload a demo prompt for it to follow. And that is mostly because we have so little time to write together that we focus on lyrics about her life, her friends, her toys and favorite story ideas. The value to me is for demo purposes, but most studios large and small are using all sorts of algorithmic tools to make or evaluate or improve music. Suno is still not all the way there, but it is like having a producer, engineer and session players (especially singers) on call 24/7 for little to no money. I know project studios making demos (and openly acknowledging) with A.I. and doing quite well. People want the end result, and how you get there is so full of production tools that I question what % of any release is entirely acoustic/human in nature anymore. Even stuff recorded with real people use autotune, use all sorts of dynamic analysis programs to get the EQ where they want it, which significantly changes the sound they started with, then you have mastering where it is ALL about technology and perfecting the imperfect. But it is also why stuff sounds like everything else. A.I. is just the distraction from the truth that all the corporate artists use tech and secondary players, singers and tools to significantly take the process out of human hands and ears and into the same universe as ANY version of A.I.

If I had the cash, I would absolutely hire human players to do what I want. Frankly I have spent way more time per song on the Suno stuff than any song in a studio where most musicians play their instrument and/or sing and their part is DONE. They have a team doing the rest. I am putting WAY more of my artistic vision into all these songs than that. I have done over 500 versions of one song and I am still not quite happy with it. But it is way closer than my demo because I have a female vocal and wrote it for our female singer but we never got it recorded beyond my demo.

Beato does a disservice to all creators by leaving out reality and truth (and I think it is by accident, he truly doesn't begin to understand how it can be used). Can people make crap songs with it? YES! Were they making crap songs without it? YES! Do these at least sound better? Also YES which is why it isn't going anywhere. If studios are not using new technology, people will go elsewhere. Plus they can't afford NOT to use tools to make workflow faster and better. Everything made with computers or advanced tools is no less suspect than current A.I. which is still in its infancy. But Rick did get his conclusion right. A.I. WILL be embraced fully by young listeners who don't care how the sausage was made. They will like or dislike the song and move on.

Covered wagons and teams of horses once ruled the day. Buying one today costs a FORTUNE so why would you if you aren't in specific need of one (entertainment, work around a farm etc.). The answer is we drive cars. A.I. tools are just a better mousetrap and will get MUCH better and the same creative talents will dominate if/when they use them, and if they want to make money, they will too.

I thought Beato's summary was correct.

SUNO is shockingly good. People will like it.
Artificial intelligence is not just a break through. It's a transformation of civilization at the level of thought, in which the most intelligent people in the world are not as intelligent as machines.

A years ago, maybe more, MIKE Z introduced the people on this site to UDIO. A very short time later Rick Beato is calling SUNO "shockingly good."
That's moving fast.

Rick is highly knowledgeable moreso than anyone here.

But here are some thoughts to ponder. My last recording with udio has made me think alot.

Firstly, what matters in the music business is being heard and having an audience.

It was damn near impossible to have an audience before AI, no different now.

Only the completion is by numbers only , increased. I

But the biggest problem is getting heard, and having a career. If your not worried about that, why are you worried at all?

secondly regard to copyright, it's not just the melody and lyrics that is being lifted, it's the whole nine, the production, the style, the vocalist, in addition to the lyrics melody

Another thought is what is meant by a human being involved? Humans are involved in the whole thing.

The making of suno, the programming of suno, the user deciding what prompts to use. To deciding if they like this part or needs a new part

So humans are involved in everything it makes.

But I'm really thinking there is nothing original about suno or udiio, it's using libraries of previous music.

The less obvious the better I guess. My last song sounded so much like Tom Petty here comes my girl, and being a fan I knew it immediately.

What the fack do I do with it?

We are a long way from being replaced.

Have doubts about my wanting to dabble.

Perhaps when ai stops stealing and starts accompanying us.

And why would anyone believe this is our part, this is sunos part.

They will lump it all as ai

Well you have to promote on Youtube for a audience as a artist
I'm sure lyricist's are going to start finding an audience using Suno , if they haven't already . Ricks probably right , but I don't think he wants to be on Suno taking over . He's whole channel is human great live players .

Yes but to a stranger why is your lyric any more special than the music? They'll think ai.

It's a dangerous slope, how do you prove suno didn't write your lyric, any more than it did your melody or your bass line?

Aside from AI so far hasn't written great lyrics from my ear

I think listeners can still tell if it's live players or a Suno recording , at least for now . Like Rick mentioned the vocals still sound synthy. That might change in 2 years. Great lyrics are subjective , the average listener either likes the song or not .

Auto tune sounds synthy already.

The average listener will not know, other than I like this song enough to buy it, or I don't.

Musicians will know, just as a real drummer can tell if something is a program

correct

He said that the vocals in the MUREKA product sounded synthy.
He said that SUNO vocals were "shockingly good."
Keep in mind, that is as of 04.07.2025

Yeah something like that , You can still tell live singers from Suno singers , at least I can . What's the point.. you can't promote yourself being a artist using Suno tracks and singers .

Sorry to doubt Ben, but I do.
If I played you twenty recordings and told you to pick out the three that were SUNO, I would bet against that every time it was available.

Marty

Plus he'd have the advantage of knowing what suno was and it be in there like a multiple choice test. Nobody's gonna say live or Memorex

But I have to give some real thought about me and ai coexisting

As of now I can tell by arrangements. It's very hard to get a good guitar solo that fits the song.

They always gotta go 16 measures, regardless if you try to shorten it.

And transitions between sections are not always smooth, even the performances can be bumpy.

It's knowable but it's gonna get better

Maybe , hard to say depends what genre . Still like I mentioned you can't use Suno being the artist , Its not your voice , its machine generated .

Another point about humans being involved?

If you write the lyrics, no human was involved in the making of the music to that song. Least according to them, so how to break a song in half?

I think it was mentioned by Rick , if no human was involved you can't copy write it , Suno owns it I guess. What would that mean ? on promotion Suno would get the money

But if you write the lyrics then what, the music is not copyrighted but you own the lyrics?

So if somebody then steals the music to the song you only own the lyrics to, you have no case...

Weird. I know from experience it uses lyrics to create settings musically.

It's all so new, but it has not impacted the music biz as yet, big stars are still dominating the charts

I'm not sure , since I do live tracks . Thats what the wars about stolen licks , Last I heard , if you have a paid subscription . You own the song. That means if you promote it , Adsence money goes in your account , not Suno

These Suno people are all ready doing the Youtube thing . Probably millions like her , Pretty face and EDM stuff

If you had demos done in a demo studio as a work for hire, don't you own that work and can use it for whatever purpose.

Yes, if you sign and they sign the work for hire agreement.

But AI is using bits of previously published and released commercial recordings, and selling that to us...the price WILL go up too.

So when you use your AI generated song as a pitch, some or all of it may be stolen or lifted from other songs.

Could happen with a demo studio too, but could be deemed unintenional

You can't pitch AI songs to publishers over law sites pending . Everybody knows by now Suno or whatever site on AI is using stolen licks to generate each song . I really don't see the big hoopla on just hiring session players and avoiding the AI mess . Stop cutting the throats of the music industry .

What's the point you payed one penny.