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I have created a digital music group called Screaming Banshees. The backstory on the group is that they're from a dystopian future sending messages through music to our present day to warn us of our possible future if we don't pivot and change direction toward something better that works toward harmony and unity.

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QUESTION: What have you done with AI and have you created any brands that you're pushing? How has AI assisted and improved your life and business?

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I was kinda waiting for this.. AI bands , it's a real good song. I don't think it's improved my life , what ever I cut with live players , I have to beat robots. I think I'm losing. What did that song cost 4 cents ?

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Song itself cost me Suno $10 a month and $20 a month for OpenAi (Sora). To be fair, I've never paid for song demos, even before Ai came into existence. I have been paid for songs in the past through sync licensing and major label artist cuts. Still get a small royalty ongoing from previous works. I was introduced to AI this last summer by a music industry friend and I was hooked. I still prefer writing songs/collaborating with humans, but AI is a tool I can't ignore.

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Yeah ai bands with robots performing throws a wrench in the idea that live music will somehow survive AI take over and point to authenticity.

I at least like the fact that vai is evolving and allowing users to be the creator, and it being the assistor.

I did some 100 AI songs, all triggered from my lyrics, since that was only option at the time.

I ever felt quite satisfied. The results were great at times, but not being in the thick of the music kinda turned me away from it.

I think if humans are able to do their things,with ai assisting, it will be just like it always was.

Right now ai is all basically the same, no matter how good something might sound, nobody really cares about it.

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Yup can't ignore AI Gregory , Well I'll keep using humans and sing them , I don't know why lol. The robots beat me most the time. Well off to the studio and make jokes about AI with a producer lol

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I haven't seen any bad effect from my publishers. Business is still good. Well, only that I have to sign an agreement I won't use AI in any of my tracks. Which I wouldn't in a million years. laugh

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
I haven't seen any bad effect from my publishers. Business is still good. Well, only that I have to sign an agreement I won't use AI in any of my tracks. Which I wouldn't in a million years. laugh

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And you PROVE the point that no one with talent is harmed by A.I. The people who ARE harmed, are average to below talents WITH POWER and/or FINANCIAL resources which make them successful, and we only need to look at charts to find plenty of examples. If someone is super talented, they have nothing to fear from any new tech.


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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
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I haven't seen any bad effect from my publishers. Business is still good. Well, only that I have to sign an agreement I won't use AI in any of my tracks. Which I wouldn't in a million years. laugh

John smile

And you PROVE the point that no one with talent is harmed by A.I. The people who ARE harmed, are average to below talents WITH POWER and/or FINANCIAL resources which make them successful, and we only need to look at charts to find plenty of examples. If someone is super talented, they have nothing to fear from any new tech.


Yes, good for now, Brian. As long as the Music Industry doesn't lower their standards.

John:)

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AI is no threat to what I do , Let the robots do what they do , I'll do what I do. I would think publishers will still shun robot songs for obvious reasons

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It's fun. Eventually, I want real humans involved. AI is an avenue to create proofs of concept.

Here's a new video/song I did today:


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Robots do a good job , still have that synthesized sound to them. So do 90 % of pop songs on real singers and players. autotune and all that .

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
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I haven't seen any bad effect from my publishers. Business is still good. Well, only that I have to sign an agreement I won't use AI in any of my tracks. Which I wouldn't in a million years. laugh

John smile

And you PROVE the point that no one with talent is harmed by A.I. The people who ARE harmed, are average to below talents WITH POWER and/or FINANCIAL resources which make them successful, and we only need to look at charts to find plenty of examples. If someone is super talented, they have nothing to fear from any new tech.

This appears to be very wishful thinking.
AI is on the move and getting more advanced every day. Everything about it is transitional.
It is already able to write without humans, and many humans are finding it fun.
Thousands of songs per day are being produced. Structurally songs are simple things. Easy to emulate.

The day is coming when AI output is indistinguishable from human output, and infinitely faster and a lot cheaper. And people will be happy to stream it.

Laws of supply and demand?
That undercuts all songwriters, super-talented or not. That destroys what is left of songwriting as an occupation, in the wake of what streaming has already done to it.

For the moment...it appears that songwriting has become a pass-time that anyone can engage by triggering a set of algorithms.
For the moment...the music industry appears to be butts-in-seats, tee-shirts, caps etc.
For the moment...publishers are turning away AI generations, but that's not a bet that I would take for the future.

There will be exceptions to point at, but for the vastly most-part, the tides raises and lowers all boats.

People such as myself recognize these realities and write songs, in whatever manner that we write them, because we enjoy it.

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I haven't seen any bad effect from my publishers. Business is still good. Well, only that I have to sign an agreement I won't use AI in any of my tracks. Which I wouldn't in a million years. laugh

John smile

And you PROVE the point that no one with talent is harmed by A.I. The people who ARE harmed, are average to below talents WITH POWER and/or FINANCIAL resources which make them successful, and we only need to look at charts to find plenty of examples. If someone is super talented, they have nothing to fear from any new tech.

This appears to be very wishful thinking.
AI is on the move and getting more advanced every day. Everything about it is transitional.
It is already able to write without humans, and many humans are finding it fun.
Thousands of songs per day are being produced. Structurally songs are simple things. Easy to emulate.

The day is coming when AI output is indistinguishable from human output, and infinitely faster and a lot cheaper. And people will be happy to stream it.

Laws of supply and demand?
That undercuts all songwriters, super-talented or not. That destroys what is left of songwriting as an occupation, in the wake of what streaming has already done to it.

For the moment...it appears that songwriting has become a pass-time that anyone can engage by triggering a set of algorithms.
For the moment...the music industry appears to be butts-in-seats, tee-shirts, caps etc.
For the moment...publishers are turning away AI generations, but that's not a bet that I would take for the future.

There will be exceptions to point at, but for the vastly most-part, the tides raises and lowers all boats.

People such as myself recognize these realities and write songs, in whatever manner that we write them, because we enjoy it.

It's humbling but have you heard an ai song yet that you wanted to stream?

The radio right now is so bad, there have always been thousands of songs that have gotten in radio and gotten popular that are not very good.

AI will do the same. It follows the leader.

if it generates a song as good as some radio hits, it won't be taking much away from us.

Think about any of your favorite songs, does it match it? For me, not even close, from the writing, the uniqueness, authenticity.

I know it's still in it's in fancy, but there's no guarantee that it does anything better than us.

It's actually over a million songs a day are generated.

So are a million bags of ramen noodles, but they ain't pasta carbonara

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I'm not going to go on and on about this. Gave my 2cents because I emphatically believe it and think that anyone who doesn't is kidding themselves.

Do you recall arguing with me and Mike Z, ad nauseum, that AI and software, etc. would never replace real musicians in a studio?
Do you still believe that?

I appreciate Taylor Swift and what she has accomplished. But, when I listen to her "groundbreaking" songs, I personally, don't hear anything that makes me stop in awe...but millions of others apparently do.

Your assessment of what is ramen noodles and what is pasta carbonera may not be the assessment that truly matters.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Dom

I'm not going to go on and on about this. Gave my 2cents because I emphatically believe it and think that anyone who doesn't is kidding themselves.

Do you recall arguing with me and Mike Z, ad nauseum, that AI, etc would never replace real musicians in a studio?
Do you still believe that?

I appreciate Taylor Swift and what she has accomplished. But, when I listen to her "groundbreaking" songs, I personally, don't hear anything that makes me stop in awe...but millions of others apparently do.

Your assessment of what is ramen noodles and what is pasta carbonera may not be the assessment that truly matters.

It probably won't matter, but neither does your assessment. It's a discussion board, that's what being discussed

We're not speaking in infallible terms.

I agree Taylor Swift has not done anything ground breaking, that's the point. It's WHO is making the music, that matters to her fans.

Somebody could probably make new Taylor Swift style songs, but nobody is going fanatical over AI Taylor Swift songs

There are millions of three chord uninventive songs that have sold millions. Now, there be billions.

We have to realize that anybody can write a three chord song. The ante has been raised.

No, I recall making the argument that band in a box would never make a commercial quality recording. I was and am right. Never has.

Im not sure I ever said AI would never replace real musicians, I was skeptical for sure.

I am amazed at what it can do, and wayyyy better than biab.

I'm still not sure it replaces anything. Now there are new ways of doing the same thing.

If we're writing three chord songs we better have something to say, that's our differentiator

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Well back to the topic branding . I'm not sure how you would brand a robot band , There's a no human to brand , Who are fans suppose to talk to ? Since AI bands will be the future , I guess they'll figure it out. How is revenue going to work , since its stolen material, if what Sony is claiming is true

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Originally Posted by bennash
Well back to the topic branding . I'm not sure how you would brand a robot band , There's a no human to brand , Who are fans suppose to talk to ? Since AI bands will be the future , I guess they'll figure it out. How is revenue going to work , since its stolen material, if what Sony is claiming is true

Even if you could how can you brand something from udio or suno. Not yours to brand

I get the idea what Greg is actually doing here is a concept album.

It could very well head in that direction, and whoever has the better brand wins.

I still don't think it replaces real people doing music.

Watching a real drummer playing, even if Ai can do same thing, will still be cool to watch and the talent recognized.

We gotta get away from thinking this eliminates human art. It just another product being offered

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eliminates human art. it kinda does , that's all ya hear is AI songs anymore. or pop songs autotuned lol

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Originally Posted by bennash
eliminates human art. it kinda does , that's all ya hear is AI songs anymore

No that's all WE hear. Just like all WE hear are mediocre demos of mediocre songs.

If you walk around, I've been in malls, bars, different sites, nobody knows ai music exists.

Or moreso it's not swaying them to listen to it. The name on the music is just as important. It's always been that way.

The back story of the artist is usually the selling point.

But what really matters is how good it is.

Nobody saying somebody won't listen or like an ai song, but I have my doubts somebody will say..
Wohhhh who is that.

Gotta go get me tickets

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mediocre songs, I think your offended me again lol. Well least I'm not a robot. By the way demo stands for demonstration , usually meant for publishers . Artist songs are masters

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Originally Posted by bennash
mediocre songs, I think your offended me again lol. Well least I'm not a robot

I'm included in mediocre. Not a slight on anybody. But if we're worried about AI taking over we have to ask what are they stealing from us?

[naughty word removed] song a and [naughty word removed] song b.

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eliminates human art. it kinda does , that's all ya hear is AI songs anymore. or pop songs autotuned lol

Sad for this new generation. They'll never experience the thrill of purchasing a 45 with your favorite new song. I couldn't wait until Friday night to spend my dollar allowance. Then I'd play the 45 till it was worn out and skipping. And then I'd still play it.

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Originally Posted by bennash
eliminates human art. it kinda does , that's all ya hear is AI songs anymore. or pop songs autotuned lol

Sad for this new generation. They'll never experience the thrill of purchasing a 45 with your favorite new song. I couldn't wait until Friday night to spend my dollar allowance. Then I'd play the 45 till it was worn out and skipping. And then I'd still play it.

John cry


Yup , well them days are gone , Now its streaming AI songs by robots

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eliminates human art. it kinda does , that's all ya hear is AI songs anymore. or pop songs autotuned lol

Sad for this new generation. They'll never experience the thrill of purchasing a 45 with your favorite new song. I couldn't wait until Friday night to spend my dollar allowance. Then I'd play the 45 till it was worn out and skipping. And then I'd still play it.

John cry


Yup , well them days are gone , Now its streaming AI songs by robots

Will you stop saying that? The average person knows nothing about ai and robots,cuts not mainstream. May be gimmicky on YouTube.

As I said nobody I know knows about AI music.

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It's true every songwriting forums are nothing but AI songs , YouTube is loaded with them. I guess guitars hang on walls like remnants from the past

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Originally Posted by bennash
It's true every songwriting forums are nothing but AI songs , YouTube is loaded with them. I guess guitars hang on walls like remnants from the past

Songwriting forums are not the real world. And how many are there, with how many people? 2 3 forums ten members each?

Ben u gotta remember as anybody on a forum who says anything, good or bad about your music, is only doing so cause you are here and they are here.

Tbh, they can take it or leave it

There's an exaggerated sense of importance on songwriter forums.

Music icons are still filling arenas.

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Music icons are still filling arenas . that's true and promotion on artist songs

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Music icons are still filling arenas . that's true and promotion on artist songs

Lol, if it helps vent your frustration about not reaching an audience, ok blame AI.

All I know is there are new artists being born everyday.

I think it does change how we do music, but only if you let it.

If you enjoy creating music the way you like to do it, that's a great gift.

I've met painters and pottery makers and they could give one [naughty word removed] if anyone likes it.

But there's a little thing called validation we all seek.

I learned long time ago the validation on songwriting sites is not real.

We all have faces only a mother could love.

In the real world of music we dint exist

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AI songs do not effect what I do , The topic was branding a AI band , I gave some thoughts on it

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This is what happens when you let a computer guide your thought process;
Generic, sophomoric, pedantic gibberish.
I suppose it's fitting that the "heroes" in this video are just AI generated cartoons...


("If the world was innocent, would it unite us?
Or would it divide us on uneven shores
And what does it mean to be human
If who we are is unraveled from the truth inside this
tapestry we call humanity

Where did we all go wrong, when did the darkness
in our hearts seep into our songs
Why do we stand on the sidelines and why
do we feel like we don't belong
We are meant to be what the world expects of us
We are meant to believe the illusions talk to us
We can be real and we can feel the truth that is
revealed when we show everyone the best of us
We can be heroes fighting the villains inside of us
And make the world better one day at a time
It's our time to shine when we turn on our light
And give the world the best of us

Why are there battlefields in the world that
Just wants peace, chaos can be beautiful
If we learn to let go and breathe, we are the
writers of our story, don't give anyone the pen
to your destiny

Where did we all go wrong...

Don't let your voice fade to the winds of time
Be a hurricane, be a tornado, shake things up
Like an earthquake
We can be real and we can feel the truth that is
revealed when we show everyone the best of us")


The journey is definitely more important than the destination...
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Originally Posted by bennash
AI songs do not effect what I do , The topic was branding a AI band , I gave some thoughts on it

Yes but you also keep saying, all people care about is ai

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Not really , just bitching about AI . I'm trying to move on lol. they have nothing to do with what I do

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Originally Posted by bennash
Not really , just bitching about AI . I'm trying to move on lol. they have nothing to do with what I do

That's cool, do what feels right

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I haven't seen any bad effect from my publishers. Business is still good. Well, only that I have to sign an agreement I won't use AI in any of my tracks. Which I wouldn't in a million years. laugh

John smile

And you PROVE the point that no one with talent is harmed by A.I. The people who ARE harmed, are average to below talents WITH POWER and/or FINANCIAL resources which make them successful, and we only need to look at charts to find plenty of examples. If someone is super talented, they have nothing to fear from any new tech.


Yes, good for now, Brian. As long as the Music Industry doesn't lower their standards.

John:)

I laughed out loud when I read this. The ONLY standard that the music industry has is "does it make us money?" If it DOES, that is the standard. Also, even if it LOSES money, if it advances a political power agenda, then that is ALSO the standard, hence idiots like Cardi B and Gangsta Rap. Rap helped destroy entire communities and change their cultural norms for the worse to make them easier to manipulate and use. We see the cracks in that with evil people like P Diddy and Harvey Weinstein being pilloried. But make no mistake that they are just figurehead scapegoats to lump ALL the bad punishment on one perpetrator. P Diddy is being charge with RICO crimes, with NO CO CONSPIRATORS named! That is a joke that writes itself. It's the same with Epstein. Much of their impact was on "Cultural Norms" by entrapping people then using then "artistically" to manipulate the wider culture. They use music charts to do the same thing. If your money as an artist (I am talking the REAL money in the millions, not comparative pennies made by Tax Slaves at the bottom end of the industry) isn't flowing directly into the veins of your handlers, they will either push you to do their bidding, or they will eliminate you through various means. So forget "standards" when it comes to big money in music and visual "success."

Ever wonder about One Hit Wonders? In many cases those are just people who slipped through the cracks, caught fire, then refused to sell their souls or become corrupted. I know several very high profile artists who had a brief explosion of success by accident then were shut down when they wouldn't play ball. Sustained success comes with stipulations and requirements to serve those with power. From Taylor Swift to any other long term music success. The moment you become an obstacle to their power and money, you become a target and often an "example" to other tax cattle with any strange ideas of doing their own thing. Are there rare exceptions? I imagine. But their rarity proves the underlying process. Standards are set by power. Sustained success only comes from playing ball with power, either through giving them dirt on you, or by doing their direct bidding. P Diddy did their dirt. Taylor does their bidding. There is little difference between either in the end. They both serve power and by doing so, they get power, accolades and an open pathway to becoming powerful themselves. If Taylor suddenly stopped doing their bidding, overnight she'd be tarred and feathered by the same adoring masses who have put her on a pedestal. Beyonce is a corresponding example who directly plays that role for a different demographic. But both focus on women. P Diddy focused on a demographic of men much like Eminem and Post Malone. All were or are "standards" which others are measured against. All are tools of cultural power. The charts are simply a way to control nearly ALL wannabe talented creators. There's a white rapper named Tom McDonald who was prevented from having a Billboard #1 even though by all accounts he repeatedly had performed well above what was needed to cross that bar. He raps about Cultural Divide, mostly from the right. But to get his desired #1, he had to bend the knee to power and do a "rap" duo with another Political tool, Ben Shapiro. Suddenly, the gates opened and he got his #1. Make no mistake, this is how it works, no matter the viewpoint or community from whence you came. You bend the knee, and opportunities come. The talent is an afterthought. We see plenty of hacks become a "standard" but we often see true talent become the shining example. Taylor is talented, no doubt. But so are countless of female artists, some are miles ahead of Taylor. But they wouldn't bend the knee. (Or they are simply too far below the radar for the power to notice. I saw so much talent out there, that I gave up my own music to try and help those people in any way I could. We've had success stories. And those people have explained the reality they faced once they were noticed and choices that had to be made. Some have had MASSIVE careers. Many I never mention because sadly they have become part of the captured and exploited "standard bearers" for excellence in their niche. Others have found their success capped because they would not go "all the way" with their surrender to it all. An even more hit the hard ceiling of what they could achieve without selling their soul, or giving away their money or both.

A.I. is a tool for expression, no different than a paint set and follow by numbers canvases to little kids are. Some people take the basic use and upload words and let A.I. do the rest, just as most kids do paint by numbers, then move on to other interests. But some kids start doing paintings without outlines and numbers. Then they use those paints ot do all levels of stuff. A.I. will be the same. It is the paint and bush. You can use the features built in to make fun guided results, or you can branch out of the "lines" and do your own thing. I am trying to do that with A.I. and I get better at it all the time. The reason I don't post my stuff yet (I will) is that I keep improving so rapidly that stuff from just a few months ago I am relieved I didn't post. At some point, I will likely go as far as I have the motivation to go, then I will start posting because in the end, Art is best for 2 purposes, pleasing yourself, and pleasing others. If I find a few people who like listening to my stuff (which I have among real life friends, family, neighbors etc.) that is super rewarding in the very best way possible. I have no desire to turn it into a commercial venture because I have a 40 year education on how rigged and dark and sometimes evil commercial success is. I am way too old to be compromised, and I know there is zero chance of being targeted by the people who used to target me when I was younger. (PLENTY of attempts were made over the past 40 years). But I am once again having fun making music, and finding a pretty universally positive response, including from a few successful artists who like the results. But I also understand that posting it opens it up to Trolls who will automatically attack no matter the content, as well as people reading agendas into every word even though most of the words were written decades ago in what was then a very different world. I hear music far deeper, more meaningful and more entertaining coming from obscure artists around the world I was fortunate enough to get to know via JPF, than anything on a "chart" today. That is not to say ALL those people are untalented, that isn't true. But all of them either have been compromised, will be compromised or will quietly disappear from the scene.

People often ask why it takes 5-10 writers to write a song. Well, it is obvious to me. Some are simply giving large chunks of your money away to the powers. If I write a song, I must give a share of it to the producer, to their chosen staff, to the "success" backers (not money, just those that give their blessing for something to go forward) and frankly, anyone else they tell me to. I can take 10% of something I created, or 0%. Sometimes it is just a straight up business move. I will take 100K of earnings from my million dollar song, versus no money when it isn't allowed to be a hit. There is no mystery at all to these multi write hit songs.


You, my friend, YOU are the best case scenario. You operate in relative unknown fashion. You make actual money from your art AND you keep control over all of it. But I do not expect you to become an overnight star, a hit writer, an Oscar nominated composer etc. any time soon. That is NOT because of talent. It is because you are a smart, decent guy with talent who poses no threat to power, an isn't makin enough to be noticed by power.

This is why I have pushed the 5K fan theory I created right here on this message board and via newsletter correspondence from my chapter coordinators in the early 90s. In fact, a member here Scott Andrew is the one who named it "5000 Fan Theory" which stuck. Of course I gave it away freely to help others and one grifter in particular claimed the idea and has literally made himself famous and wealthy from selling it. He even got confronted by members here when he became famous on line and was doing talk shows and news spots (all orchestrated of course). He admitted back then I had the idea first. I can't even remember his name but he can be found with some searches, we had a huge email string with a few hundred people CCd on all of them back in the early to mid 2000s. (I was on AOL back then). But he made his admission there back in the day.

Sorry for the wandering narrative. Small, human level, successes are the way to go. Fame is a trap once it breaks from your direct community. Be the great local paint store. Have 5K regular core customers, (along with many random 1 time buyers) an serve the hell out of them, under the radar of power and real money. Happy life, freedom, bills paid, creativity unleashed. You have your own version of it which I greatly admire. Screw the "standard" that will always be fake with strings attached.

Brian


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I never understood how a one hit winder can come up with such an incredible song and then everything else sucks. I guess you can exceed expectations on one hit but have to better the next and they can't. That's why Bruce was always careful about hit sings he didn't want to be bound to it.

I think AI is a tool as well, it can be the paint,the brush and the canvas. What creators don't like is it's being used as the painter too.

If it does everything, it's not a tool, it's the painter

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Yes, I agree the bottom line is money Brian. I reckon I was thinking of my publishers when I made the statement about lowering standards and allowing AI tracks. Currently, AI tracks are too risky for them. Who knows what legalities (pro & con) will develop over the next decade.

“A.I. is a tool for expression, no different than a paint set and follow by numbers canvases to little kids are” - couldn’t be expressed better Brian!

“I do not expect you to become an overnight star, a hit writer, an Oscar nominated composer etc. any time soon” – yeah, I’ve given up that dream a long time ago Brian. The most I can hope for is doing a score for a low-budget independent film. But I’ll be happy doing what I’m doing – until the end…

Best, John smile

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At the end of the day, whether you love it or hate it, the point is, I got ya'll talking and having a discussion. A concept album. I'd agree with that. What I am doing is conceptual. It was an idea born out of my brain and I got creative. I write lyrics. I come up with ideas and I see where I can take it. If it goes nowhere and only a few people resonate with it, cool. If no one else does, that's cool too. As a lyricist, I have a cool tool to use to bring my lyrics to life. At the very least, it's a "demonstration" of what the lyrics could sound like. Would I prefer collaborating with real people? Yes. Am I against using AI? Obviously not at all. Like Brian, the more I use it and continue to use it, the better with it I get. So, I'm going to keep on doing it.

To the guy who called my work sophomoric and generic? Cool. Glad you took the time to listen. If you didn't like it, that's okay with me. You're obviously not the target audience. And that's totally cool. I like what I did. Can't please everybody. :-)

In the mean time, I'm writing A LOT more these days. THAT to me is a win in my book. Do I wanna get rich and famous? No. Brian is right about his assessment on the evils of commercial success. There are good people in all aspects of every industry and there are also bad apples too who seek to cause harm any way they can, for whatever nefarious agenda they're hiding. I prefer the good people.

Keep the conversation going. Discussion and debate is the point.

Oh, and I wrote a new one this morning and spent some time making a video for it. Enjoy!


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Oh and food for thought. Who here used to read (or still do) comic books? Who watches movies? People care about fictional characters they know aren't real. AI characters on the internet aren't real either. Screaming Banshees isn't real. They're a figment of my imagination I cooked up and turned it into something. Not unlike what a comic book artist or writer would have done. The writing is me. AI isn't doing the writing. AI isn't creating my ideas. I am doing that. I am simply using a tool to bring my ideas to life. I am using AI to bring my lyrics to life. I'm not trying to create a Taylor Swift or a Justin Bieber. I am manifesting my imagination and putting it out there. Who knows? Maybe you'll watch an animated series on Netflix featuring Screaming Banshees? Maybe you'll pick up a comic book featuring these characters. Maybe you'll care about them the way people care about Batman or Superman. Just maybe...

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It's kinda like Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.

It's more a concept than a brand.

The issue I see is in using suno or udio, is you can't brand the music, just like you can't copyright it.

Not that copyrights matter, not till there's significant money made, i n which case we should be so lucky to be involved in a Case

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Originally Posted by Gregory Watton
At the end of the day, whether you love it or hate it, the point is, I got ya'll talking and having a discussion. A concept album. I'd agree with that. What I am doing is conceptual. It was an idea born out of my brain and I got creative. I write lyrics. I come up with ideas and I see where I can take it. If it goes nowhere and only a few people resonate with it, cool. If no one else does, that's cool too. As a lyricist, I have a cool tool to use to bring my lyrics to life. At the very least, it's a "demonstration" of what the lyrics could sound like. Would I prefer collaborating with real people? Yes. Am I against using AI? Obviously not at all. Like Brian, the more I use it and continue to use it, the better with it I get. So, I'm going to keep on doing it.

To the guy who called my work sophomoric and generic? Cool. Glad you took the time to listen. If you didn't like it, that's okay with me. You're obviously not the target audience. And that's totally cool. I like what I did. Can't please everybody. :-)

In the mean time, I'm writing A LOT more these days. THAT to me is a win in my book. Do I wanna get rich and famous? No. Brian is right about his assessment on the evils of commercial success. There are good people in all aspects of every industry and there are also bad apples too who seek to cause harm any way they can, for whatever nefarious agenda they're hiding. I prefer the good people.

Keep the conversation going. Discussion and debate is the point.

Oh, and I wrote a new one this morning and spent some time making a video for it. Enjoy!



This discussion has been going on for months about AI or using session players.
Here's the numbers and time .AI 2 seconds cost one penny .Using human players and you sing it .2 weeks $1200.00 . I don't think it will change . People will use AI while others use real players . I'm over hearing AI songs , Some are real good and sound radio ready. Publishers won't take them for obvious reasons . That might change , hard to say .

The topic was branding a AI band , I'm not sure how that can be done , they're not humans . I guess you could brand the writer . When people say copywrited , I'm not sure that's correct . It be Suno who owns it I guess , I'm not sure.

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Originally Posted by bennash
Originally Posted by Gregory Watton
At the end of the day, whether you love it or hate it, the point is, I got ya'll talking and having a discussion. A concept album. I'd agree with that. What I am doing is conceptual. It was an idea born out of my brain and I got creative. I write lyrics. I come up with ideas and I see where I can take it. If it goes nowhere and only a few people resonate with it, cool. If no one else does, that's cool too. As a lyricist, I have a cool tool to use to bring my lyrics to life. At the very least, it's a "demonstration" of what the lyrics could sound like. Would I prefer collaborating with real people? Yes. Am I against using AI? Obviously not at all. Like Brian, the more I use it and continue to use it, the better with it I get. So, I'm going to keep on doing it.

To the guy who called my work sophomoric and generic? Cool. Glad you took the time to listen. If you didn't like it, that's okay with me. You're obviously not the target audience. And that's totally cool. I like what I did. Can't please everybody. :-)

In the mean time, I'm writing A LOT more these days. THAT to me is a win in my book. Do I wanna get rich and famous? No. Brian is right about his assessment on the evils of commercial success. There are good people in all aspects of every industry and there are also bad apples too who seek to cause harm any way they can, for whatever nefarious agenda they're hiding. I prefer the good people.

Keep the conversation going. Discussion and debate is the point.

Oh, and I wrote a new one this morning and spent some time making a video for it. Enjoy!



This discussion has been going on for months about AI or using session players.
Here's the numbers and time .AI 2 seconds cost one penny .Using human players and you sing it .2 weeks $1200.00 . I don't think it will change . People will use AI while others use real players . I'm over hearing AI songs , Some are real good and sound radio ready. Publishers won't take them for obvious reasons . That might change , hard to say .

The topic was branding a AI band , I'm not sure how that can be done , they're not humans .

It could be done if you were able to create the characters, how they look, how they dress. Theur voices, etc.

So you create a concept, but it's not a brand

Not until we have capability of creating our own AI art, not borrowing it from suno.

But the bigs would have the better mousetrap and get incredible results that we cant

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Ie, ideally you'd want each person in the band to have their own unique voice.

Suno is gonna give you a different voice with each song

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That makes sense , the AI band would need the same voice every time

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Suno provides what they label as a "Persona" feature, which allows you to "copy" the voice and stylings of a particular vocal of a generated song and apply it to a new song.
I created one named "Rocky" and used it for a couple of my rock-themed songs.


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Well there ya go , throw 5k on promotion , maybe you get a following. Same voice in the band. I bet this will be happening AI bands and branding by somebody

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Originally Posted by David Gill
Suno provides what they label as a "Persona" feature, which allows you to "copy" the voice and stylings of a particular vocal of a generated song and apply it to a new song.
I created one named "Rocky" and used it for a couple of my rock-themed songs.
But it's still not your brand, it's sunos

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Originally Posted by David Gill
Suno provides what they label as a "Persona" feature, which allows you to "copy" the voice and stylings of a particular vocal of a generated song and apply it to a new song.
I created one named "Rocky" and used it for a couple of my rock-themed songs.
But it's still not your brand, it's sunos

Suno's ToS states:

if you are a user who has subscribed to the paid tier of the Service, Suno hereby assigns to you all of its right, title and interest in and to any Output owned by Suno and generated from Submissions made by you through the Service during the term of your paid-tier subscription. However, due to the nature of machine learning, Suno makes no representation or warranty to you that any copyright will vest in any Output.


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Originally Posted by David Gill
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by David Gill
Suno provides what they label as a "Persona" feature, which allows you to "copy" the voice and stylings of a particular vocal of a generated song and apply it to a new song.
I created one named "Rocky" and used it for a couple of my rock-themed songs.
But it's still not your brand, it's sunos

Suno's ToS states:

if you are a user who has subscribed to the paid tier of the Service, Suno hereby assigns to you all of its right, title and interest in and to any Output owned by Suno and generated from Submissions made by you through the Service during the term of your paid-tier subscription. However, due to the nature of machine learning, Suno makes no representation or warranty to you that any copyright will vest in any Output.

Well that's legal stuff. What I'm saying is somebody else can be using the same voices you are, while you're calling it a brand.

It same as toontrack easy piano for example. You are free to use it, but so is everybody else

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
What I'm saying is somebody else can be using the same voices you are, while you're calling it a brand.

It same as toontrack easy piano for example. You are free to use it, but so is everybody else


I'm no lawyer or legal expert, but you have in Suno the option to keep your "Persona" private and not make it Publicly available for anyone to use on their songs.


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Yeah legal stuff , maybe that's why they're not branding AI robot bands , need a lawyer on all that

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