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(GAWD I hope this doesn't turn into another cluster phuck...)
Please explain it to me, Ya'll... In detail, step by step...
HOW EXACTLY DOES THE OPERATOR CONTROL AND MANIPULATE SONG STRUCTURE, CHORD PROGRESSION, AND MELODY WITH SUNO?
The reason I ask is because recent talk of a "cover function" got my attention. However... Unless I can upload a complete song, I don't understand how SUNO can duplicate a complete dynamic arrangement from just a sample.
Please keep this thread in good humor, topic specific, and informative.
Not sure why Craig liked this thread, another attempt at a rant from .....
As of now you manipulate structure by having structure in your lyrics. We've been over this s thousand times. The lyric is the creator of the music and arrangement.
If your lyrics dint have a standard structure or using an instrumental, you simply tag the sections [verse] [chorus]
I usually don't have to tag at all it knows
The arrangements given are recycled arrangements of popular songs, it leans the way it thinks you are, that's pretty clear.
So what it is is a entertainment tool. Nobody has ever said here this was a product to slap your name on.
It's probably alot of fun for people who are not songwriters or performers.
And a snapshot of what night be, for your song
At least right now.
You do have some control on music, with the verbiage you use... In fact, I don't like revealing the prompts I entered, that's part of your work.
And it also requires an ear. Just cause something sounds good doesn't mean it is.
(GAWD I hope this doesn't turn into another cluster phuck...)
Please explain it to me, Ya'll... In detail, step by step...
HOW EXACTLY DOES THE OPERATOR CONTROL AND MANIPULATE SONG STRUCTURE, CHORD PROGRESSION, AND MELODY WITH SUNO?
The reason I ask is because recent talk of a "cover function" got my attention. However... Unless I can upload a complete song, I don't understand how SUNO can duplicate a complete dynamic arrangement from just a sample.
Please keep this thread in good humor, topic specific, and informative.
Suno can cover a song. You upload up to 2 minutes of your original song, your chord progression, your vocals, whatever you have and you tell Suno to generate a cover of what you uploaded. If you want, you can change the genre. Suno will create two cover versions that are very close to your original. If you don't like them, do it again. Of course you can use a cover version as your original to start with. The results are in most cases very interesting.
I tried this for the first time on a song I co-wrote and recorded in 2008. The quality of my original wasn't too good. Back then I wasn't too sure of what I was doing in the studio. This is my original recording I did back in 2008: https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=7187411 Here is the cover version that Suno generated: https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14926149
I have cover versions that are even closer to my original but I liked the intro of this one much better than my original. As you can hear, Suno uses my lyrics, my chords, my melodies and even my vocal variations that I sang. It generated the whole song even though I only uploaded the first two minutes. This has nothing to do with tags or lyric structure. Suno creates a cover of the audio material that you upload.
Suno can cover a song. You upload up to 2 minutes of your original song, your chord progression, your vocals, whatever you have and you tell Suno to generate a cover of what you uploaded. If you want, you can change the genre. Suno will create two cover versions that are very close to your original. If you don't like them, do it again. Of course you can use a cover version as your original to start with. The results are in most cases very interesting.
I tried this for the first time on a song I co-wrote and recorded in 2008. The quality of my original wasn't too good. Back then I wasn't too sure of what I was doing in the studio. This is my original recording I did back in 2008: https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=7187411 Here is the cover version that Suno generated: https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14926149
I have cover versions that are even closer to my original but I liked the intro of this one much better than my original. As you can hear, Suno uses my lyrics, my chords, my melodies and even my vocal variations that I sang. It generated the whole song even though I only uploaded the first two minutes. This has nothing to do with tags or lyric structure. Suno creates a cover of the audio material that you upload.
This is not a critique... but some songs are more basic than others. In this particular case, you only had to upload the first 55 seconds for SUNO to have a complete reference. What SUNO produced is actually more dynamic IMO.
This is not a critique... but some songs are more basic than others. In this particular case, you only had to upload the first 55 seconds for SUNO to have a complete reference. What SUNO produced is actually more dynamic IMO.
Tony, I fully agree with you. But Suno didn't have my backing vocals (25 years ago) in the 3rd section of my song and sang them anyway on all the cover versions just like I did. I've used the cover feature on more complex songs as well. So far, I'm surprised how well it works. You asked how it works, there you have it. Try it yourself and let me know if it works for you.
This is not a critique... but some songs are more basic than others. In this particular case, you only had to upload the first 55 seconds for SUNO to have a complete reference. What SUNO produced is actually more dynamic IMO.
Tony, I fully agree with you. But Suno didn't have my backing vocals (25 years ago) in the 3rd section of my song and sang them anyway on all the cover versions just like I did. I've used the cover feature on more complex songs as well. So far, I'm surprised how well it works. You asked how it works, there you have it. Try it yourself and let me know if it works for you.
All the best - Robert
Originally Posted by Rob B.
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I don't use suno didn't realize you could enter chord progression
You may have noticed that musicians are now using Suno instead of Udio. The new features are probably the reason why.
Yeah I got so bored with udio after a few months. Always felt half in it.
Will look into suno just to see how much music I can get out of it
This is a song I co-wrote with Carroll last year. I wrote and recorded the music, he wrote the lyrics. I think I posted that one here. The vocals were done with Dreamtonics Solaria: https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14653914
I uploaded the first 2 minutes of that original recording in Suno and generated a cover which sounded exactly like my original... just much better. Then I used that new cover version to create another cover and switched the genre from pop-rock to country. This is what Suno generated: https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14927943
As you can hear, Suno does its own thing starting at the bridge, which I find extremely interesting. Now I can add additional prompts at the end to get the full arrangement again, if I want.
This is a song I co-wrote with Carroll last year. I wrote and recorded the music, he wrote the lyrics. I think I posted that one here. The vocals were done with Dreamtonics Solaria: https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14653914
I uploaded the first 2 minutes of that original recording in Suno and generated a cover which sounded exactly like my original... just much better. Then I used that new cover version to create another cover and switched the genre from pop-rock to country. This is what Suno generated: https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14927943
As you can hear, Suno does its own thing starting at the bridge, which I find extremely interesting. Now I can add additional prompts at the end to get the full arrangement again, if I want.
What do you think?
All the best - Robert
Personally I like your original better, I like the edgier guitar but I'm gonna try this.
Lyrics good hook, but the verses make you lose attention
Personally I like your original better, I like the edgier guitar but I'm gonna try this.
Here's a Suno cover of the original with the edgy guitar and the bridge of the original. This is almost a duplicate of the original: https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14927985
Fdem, you just upload what you have. I posted my original track here (above). That's the file I uploaded in Suno. For the country version I uploaded the edgy duplicate that Suno created. The country version is a cover of the edgy cover. The files I uploaded in Suno consisted of the vocals and the complete arrangement. You don't have to extract anything. It's easy. Upload what you've got and go to "create" and "cover song". That's it.
Fdem, you just upload what you have. I posted my original track here (above). That's the file I uploaded in Suno. For the country version I uploaded the edgy duplicate that Suno created. The country version is a cover of the edgy cover. The files I uploaded in Suno consisted of the vocals and the complete arrangement. You don't have to extract anything. It's easy. Upload what you've got and go to "create" and "cover song". That's it.
Oh no I'm a recovering AI experimentor, suffering a relapse
Fdem, Yes, you need Suno V4. That will cost you 10$ per month. If you want to remain an AI experimenter, you’ll have to do with V3.5, which is similar to what Udio does. Like you wrote, in the old days people had a desire to work on their craft. If you have that desire, you’ll have to sign up with Suno.
You're using your phone to produce songs? Wow, now I'm learning something. Well, maybe not. I'll stick to the old-fashion way of music production ... a PC with a DAW and loads of plug-ins and tools like EZ Keys, EZ Bass, etc.
Fdem, Yes, you need Suno V4. That will cost you 10$ per month. If you want to remain an AI experimenter, you’ll have to do with V3.5, which is similar to what Udio does. Like you wrote, in the old days people had a desire to work on their craft. If you have that desire, you’ll have to sign up with Suno.
Oh no I don't mind signing up, it's just I hadn't .
Also wanna see if I wanna do this again, I was pretty obsessive for a while I'm a member at udio too haven't been there in a while even though I'm paying
Lol... I think AI is still very comfortable in its own generic BOX.
If I have to pay for it... I want complete, note for note, arrangement, and movement control from beginning to end. I want a "Digital Cover"! THEN, allow me to decide what AI can "embellish" upon and compare.
AI is currently limited by its "set in stone" music theory programming. I'm no Beethoven, but if you're not at least "trying" to reach outside the box, you're not accomplishing anything.
So my understanding is this. You still need to demo your song, have a quality recorded vocal, before you enter it into suno .
It seems it uses the actual vocal you use in the recording? Or is it an ai sampling of the vocal?
Fascinating. And kinda cool that you don't need a master recording, just a reference of it
I'm intrigued, yet scared, I have a compulsive personality, I'll be up all night doing this
I think you are very wise to be cautious. Japov and Ironknee don't need AI, at all, because they've got lyric, music and really good sound engineering already....so AI must do exactly as they dictate, and they are in a position to dictate. They'll wait.
But you. I think I heard audio of you singing, and thought...that's great singing. So if I were you, I would do a test on the suno "cover song" facility this way: upload one of your throw-away song, minimal recording, just you singing and maybe a click track only. What I think and expect is, suno will give you your song, with no change in lyric, no change in melody notes, a different singer, but singing exact melody as you have sung....+++ all the fancy back up vocals and strings and fat drums and big bass, etc. Just what you want. Bill
So my understanding is this. You still need to demo your song, have a quality recorded vocal, before you enter it into suno .
It seems it uses the actual vocal you use in the recording? Or is it an ai sampling of the vocal?
Fascinating. And kinda cool that you don't need a master recording, just a reference of it
I'm intrigued, yet scared, I have a compulsive personality, I'll be up all night doing this
I think you are very wise to be cautious. Japov and Ironknee don't need AI, at all, because they've got lyric, music and really good sound engineering already....so AI must do exactly as they dictate, and they are in a position to dictate. They'll wait.
But you. I think I heard audio of you singing, and thought...that's great singing. So if I were you, I would do a test on the suno "cover song" facility this way: upload one of your throw-away song, minimal recording, just you singing and maybe a click track only. What I think and expect is, suno will give you your song, with no change in lyric, no change in melody notes, a different singer, but singing exact melody as you have sung....+++ all the fancy back up vocals and strings and fat drums and big bass, etc. Just what you want. Bill
Thank you for the compliment, I don't need it either, it's just convenient. What I hate most is the work it takes. I like the finished product, I don't like the work
I have music too, and if I really wanted to, could work hard on getting great recordings.
But you also need songs, without songs no matter how you do it , it's a good sounding amoeba
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