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Hi Folks,

I always planned to have this post. The election is nearly here. All anyone can do is cast their vote. The rest really doesn't matter. Both sides, if they lose, will react negatively. (Not a hard prediction). I personally have no doubt that shenanigans take place and some winners have their wins stolen. It has happened in all of time. But I am here to say that it just isn't what is important.

99% of people want to have a happy life for themselves and their families. Most of those want the same for their neighbors and their friends. Some are wishing awful things on entire swaths of our population which is disgusting and deranged. We are all peons in this farce. We have the most minimal impact on what happens. If something is stolen, we didn't do it, we can't stop it and we can't fix it. It is beyond the reach of honest, law abiding people. And that is a good thing. Because should any significant number of people decide to take matters into their own hands, even if they are 100% correct in their grievance, the most destructive responsive events in world history could commence and there will be ZERO winners. (Not even the Elites).

Citizen warfare is an outcome we all must be diligent to avoid. Whether it is small riots in big cities, or something much, much worse, we have to avoid it with all our abilities.

Here is something to ponder. This is NOT finger-pointing at anyone. It is all factual, and I got it off mainstream web searches.

These numbers are rounded but close enough:

Total US Debt: 1776-2000 : 5.5 Trillion Dollars

Bush Jr. 8 years +4.5 Trillion
Obama 8 years +8 Trillion Dollars
Trump 4 years +8 Trillion Dollars
Biden (Harris) 4 years +10-12 Trillion Dollars

Sources: US Debt Clock at https://www.usdebtclock.org/ and a general Google search for the starting and ending Debt of each President.

It matters not who controls laws, as long as we control the money" (paraphrased)-Some Dead Dirtbag Banker

It doesn't matter who wins. Both parties (and their leaders) have equally signed off on ALL that debt and all the banker's wars (which ALL of them fought by Western Societies turn out to be). And they will keep doing it no matter who wins. Additionally, as Ben duly noted, no matter who is elected, we are not getting the 25-50% (depending on the sector) inflation over the past 4 years back by ANYONE. They essentially lowered the value of the 35-36 Trillion in debt (growing faster than belief) by hyper inflating the dollar so we all lost 25-50% of our savings, bank account and buying power.

Prices may not keep going up (if they choose) but the damage has already been done, and NEITHER side can nor want to go back. The Stock Market has not grown. It simply reflects inflation as a rule of thumb. It may have doubled etc. but those companies are not actually richer in general. Money is a zero sum game. It isn't lost or gained, it simply changes hands. These Elites are actually fighting for whose hands that money will be in. Hint: It won't be any of ours. So get hysterical either way about the winner, we are all losers regardless. The most charitable view is that one side or the other might screw us less often, but we are still getting screwed. The debt interest is already over a trillion a year and the people who profit actually control what interest they want us to pay. They do this like those "Debt Relief" companies operate. (more on that later).

They use inflation to rob us now and enslave us later, far worse than the absurd tax levels anyone faced by anyone without corporate power accountants. Elites will never pay their fair share no matter the tax rates. Those who want to raise them know that. Those taxes affect one target: Small business owners, especially small family business owners. They do THAT to benefit their multinational corporate overlords. THAT is Fascism, and BOTH parties fully endorse it and vote for it. The State and the multinational corporations are all controlled by the same elites. They all sit on each others boards. This theatrical production every 4 years will not change that. It might change which party will be the lead grifters, but grift they will. ALL OF THEM.

*The Debt Relief Scam vs Our US Tax Scam: These companies really do relieve those heavily in debt. But they are not helping YOU, they are profiting the max possible. The way it works is you give them ALL your debt, asset and income info. Their experts determine the absolute MAXIMUM money they can extract from you, without you declaring bankruptcy. That is where they draw the line, removing you as a bankruptcy threat to these debt collectors. The Fed is the exact same thing. We are all financial slaves. In ancient Egypt, the Pharaoh took %20 of the slaves productivity. Today, with the tax situation we have, everything is taxed and re-taxed at every stage of activity from digging up a resource, to processing it, to crafting it into something usable to the transportation of it back an forth, to all the laborers involved, to the buying and selling of each material to storing it, to putting to market wholesale to retail, to the sales taxes, inventory taxes, to the re-delivery to your door, to your taxed money (by every agency and jurisdiction) and stuff I didn't even cover so by time you buy widget, 60-99% of the cost has gone to taxes. And the money you used to buy it has been taxed and re-taxed at every level as well. We ARE all slaves to this system. It is only because of tech advances in nearly all fields that our lives don't all involve manual labor for the Government/Elites. But most of our productivity is consumed as passive (meaning they do not have to WORK for it) by the owner class.

About this post:

My plan is to remove this post about a week after the election, give or take (unless circumstances require a change). If anyone makes a personal attack on each other, that is on the ATTACKER, whether it was "provoked" or not. Rational Adults can refrain from it if they choose. If you lash out here for a grievance elsewhere, that is on YOU. You can all PM each other all you like. Keep it off this post.

If I find or hear about political bickering elsewhere, I will react accordingly. I am not reading pages of old posts to find the original bad person. Rather than posting an attack, send ME a PM and let me know where attacks are happening. If you can't control yourself for a week, don't read this post in the first place. If you make a statement, offer your points, with verifiable sources if needed.

This has been a PSA. You're welcome.

A Burger King employee could do better job than these clowns . I write songs , not worry about that circus .

I like math. It tends to separate viable intellect from evolved incompetence...

Besides, it takes a discerning mind to tolerate the limits of apes.

I can't tell the difference between capitalism and profiteering anymore...
How do you govern without a set reference?
Without a set standard, "Whatever the market will bear" becomes the goal.

Inflation is how the stock market makes money.
Then, there's the Global Federal Reserve...

Governments print their own currency, then tell the world what their money is worth based upon their economy (corporate government) and calculations/projections made by the Global Federal Reserve (the world bank).

In this equation... the actual worth of goods and services is never considered.
THERE IS NO SET UNIVERSAL STANDARD.
Profit accrued through interest rates and inflation is the only goal.

If a loaf of bread was always worth $1, a pair of jeans was always $5, an 8'2x4 was always $1, an apple was always worth $0.25, iron/steel were always $0.1 per/lb, a beef cow was always worth $500... these things would set a stabilizing standard and reference for the rest of free market commerce. Small "home-grown" businesses wouldn't have to compete with global corporations. Necessity would truly be the mother of invention and the heart of entrepreneurism.

Currently, capitalism and profiteering are the same thing. As long as governments around the globe keep enslaving their populations, then take credit for national productivity despite abysmal standards of living... inflation will never end. Wealth inequality will only get worse as long as the subjugated fear their masters.

Maintaining fear is a simple matter of controlling both money and information...

By the way,
It's the apes that pound their chests, howl, then run and hide in the trees...

I only see one party in this current political race acting that way.

Another question one should consider... If the President, for some unforeseen reason, leaves office, who would you rather have for President Vance or Walz?

John

LOL... Speaking of dumb dancing monkeys!

You guys actually think these puppets run the U.S. . Jeff Besos and guys like that do. nice bullshit con-job,

Hmm... I don't know about that. If a decision whether to bomb Iran or not comes up, I doubt they ask Jeff Besos for permission.

John

And people get so involved in talking politics.

Your vote means very little, red or blue states will stay the same. I could vote for mickey mouse, it wouldn't change anything, blue will win New Jersey.

Vast majority of people already knew who they were voting for last year and several years

Whoever is Republican gets their vote, likewise Dems.

The few swing states that matter is the whole election.

Voting is a wonderful privilege but our vote is worth shite in reality, unless you live in Ohio.

Dems made this election a contest, if Biden had stayed ,Trump woulda won easily.

I've seen ads for Kamala where people saying they were Republican to the bone, but this time they must vote dem.

Never seen an ad like that before. Kinda targeting people who vote one party no matter what

This is an interesting thread. Brian, those US Debt numbers you posted don’t match Fox Business numbers. According to Fox Business Biden’s total debt is around 4.3 trillion. In my opinion it’s better to look forward than looking back. A nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget suggests a Harris presidency could increase the national debt by 3.5 trillion. Trump’s ideas could heap as much as 15.2 trillion. I hate taxes! But getting rid of them is not the solution.
The planned tariffs by Trump are a tax on imports and they are going to lead to a global inflation explosion. We’ve been there and done that. It happened just a few years ago. Americans blame Biden for the inflation surge, but in reality, it was a combination of the pandemic and Trump’s tariffs. A study by economists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the University of Zurich, Harvard and the World Bank concluded that Trump’s tariffs failed to restore jobs to the American heartland. The tariffs “neither raised nor lowered U.S. employment’’ where they were supposed to protect jobs, the study found.
Despite Trump’s 2018 taxes on imported steel, for example, the number of jobs at U.S. steel plants barely budged: They remained right around 140,000. By comparison, Walmart alone employs 1.6 million people in the United States.
Worse, the retaliatory taxes imposed by China and other nations on U.S. goods had “negative employment impacts,’’ especially for farmers, the study found. These retaliatory tariffs were only partly offset by billions in government aid that Trump doled out to farmers. The Trump tariffs also damaged companies that relied on targeted imports. Trump’s planned tariffs are going to ruin the US economy and cause global inflation. Stock markets around the world will crash. I’m not saying the Democrats have everything right, but what Mr. Trump is saying will be devastating for the US economy and the rest of the world.

Yeah they do and the Rothchilds , Not to mention the fairy tale Catholic Pope with investments in amo. They like bombs away , keeps the bullshit up , your going to Disney land heaven . You think George Carlin had a coke addiction ? Try Frued making Motley Crew look like choir boys . Well respected quack , like your elections . Brain washing by the buckets, especially on Nov 4th. Braindead morons like cattle in election booths . Fear mongers the worlds ending , Shite the rich want your money , never going to happen , the 666 folks , with zero life's. Harvard grads laughing all the way to the bank , Bullshiting folks stuck with bad DNA working at Wally World. Head board Harris and Tricky Trump. ? , Shite they want your money .The mob still has contracts out on the Kennedys , fuc this... I'm gone to my island in my castle .

Besos net worth 185 billion , Naw ...yea has no say on bombs away and keeping Amazon rolling .

Well get some work done on music . Enough of my poison on assholee politicians and agendas

Hi Brian,
I was just looking at the election from a slightly different financial view.
How much does it cost to get elected?

According to Forbes:
"The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee has raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available."

That's only the 2 presidential candidates. I can almost imagine what the totals would be including all the senate, house, local office, and ballot measures being voted on across the US.

Who benefits from all that cash? Where do they spend the bulk of their donations?
I have an opinion on that, but I want to keep this civil

Lol... "NO TARIFFS ON CHINA!"

I wonder how much money the Dems made on big pharma stocks...?
"Insiders" like the Pelosis, Clintons, Obamas, and Bidens probably made a killing.

If Xi Jinping tries to give the world another virus, Trump will nuke his a$$!

Common sense dictates that a self sufficient free market nation will balance its own economy within the limits of its own supply and demand.
The whole concept of global debt rests upon the false premise that, in order to maintain fair international equity, the richest and most powerful nations should be obligated to subsidize the poor...

Until the rich run out of money.
Or, ideologically opposed nations engage in inequitable trade for political favors... "FREE PALESTINE", nuke Iran!

Got you bullshitted real good Tony , About as much a conservative's on bombs away . Nice little pack of lies.. and you buy it hook line and sinker. $$$$$$$$$ baby . Nobody show up to vote . The revolt , we're sick of your bullshit . What would happen ? a major overhaul is my guess . But ya'll will vote , believe the BS.

I pretty much agree with everything you said. I truly think the supposed billions spent on running for office are mostly just grift. I am not seeing either candidate spend much money. The first ads from either candidate I have seen that weren't simply FREE posts on social media were some YouTube ads this weekend including the one you described. But I am not buying the lame pitch. Why would anyone buy ANY political ad? If someone can be swayed by propaganda so easily, then they were long ago locked in already.

Not sure what you have seen, but that is likely 1 year they are talking about. Our national debt is OVER 35 trillion. Visit the US Debt clock for an eye opening (and official) view of what is going on. Want some terror?? Look at the "Unfunded Liabilities" in the bottom right of the screen. Every US Citizen is currently on the hook for app. $650K in debt committed to. That is baked in. That is a lifetime of wages for many people. We are all tax slaves. That Debt Clocks runs in real time. Watch how much gets added EVERY SECOND!

Most of it is money laundering. It never goes anywhere but right back into the pockets of the donors. A handful of TV ads don't cost a Billion dollars. How do you think these Oligarchs can buy entire Hawaiian Islands or their third $500,000,000 dollar Super Yacht?

35 trillion ...yes they set a bad example , practice what you preach IRS badge number 666. $$$$$$$$$

Interest on the national debt for 2024 is 1.2 trillion dollars.

John

Right and the IRS is busting by balls at 71-years old , 9% of life left and I should care on their bullshit credit score on minus 35 trillion. Yes my vote matters and donkeys fly. Porn stars have more respect .At least they tell you were fuking you. I'll even tell you you're my BF for a hour .Well shite he's telling me problems at home again ,I need a raise , That 3 minute pins an needles flush feeling were so fond of . It's like finding an inversion chord without the paper towels and guilt .Did you say badge number sex sex sex ? Well you are in Utah . Does your supervisor have 10 wives ? click . Shite now I have call back . Now Elvis control yourself . Don't say I hate your guts .

The world has always been a treacherous place. No news there.

I don't know how the future plays out but imo,

considering 35T and climbing debt,
1T+ debt service out of annual revenue of 3-4 T,
Immeasurable unfunded liabilities,
there is no viable road to debt retirement, with dollars that are worth anything.

The "great reset" will most likely be a great catastrophic crash, where the economy goes to zero and starts over from there. Accompanied by social instability and horrible wars, as is always the case.



In closing;
This is songwriting site. There are much better places to get much better information about the state of the world and it's economies than here.


Brian
Would you please grant my request and eliminate my account from JPF.com.
I donated $300 bucks and from my side of the table, I mistakenly thought that I would be assured that no more base insults would be allowed to come my way and incendiary topics would be eliminated, leaving only songs to talk about.. That didn't happen. It's on me for misjudging the outcome.

At this point, all I would like for my $300 is to have my account deleted from JPF.com.
I am not mad. Just through challenging what goes on here.

Please grant the request.

Thanks
Martin

I haven't even been here much last few weeks, so I know it wasn't me who insulted you this time.

Marty, in all honesty no attacks or anything, what kind of utopian songwriting site are you dreaming of?

there's nothing wrong with other topics, I agree if politics takes over, it's lost.

With election day tommorow, expecting everyone to dummy up about it is futile

You seem sincere in wanting a good songwriting site, but your asking way to much.

There's not enough songwriters here , and ones who are serious about it, to have an active site of just songs.

The engagement is key, and people find it in other topics. Getting people talking is good

But you continue to demand accomodations. You got your forum.

Your donating to keep the site going, that doesn't mean you run it. Does it?

Payolla, buying an election .....

You got your ai forum

Every time I read your asking for something else.

What should your 200 buy?

Dom
I have no interest in your opinion or trying to explain anything to you. Think what you will.
My goal and request is to put all of this in the rear view, not to crank it up once again.
My remarks are addressed to Brian.

Nice, but your asking BRIAN on a Public forum in the middle of a different thread, different topic, where you are talking to an audience.

Right, not crank it up again.

That's exactly what your doing.

How bout writing BRIAN in email or calling him?.

Your like a girl who wears tight jeans and low cut tops, yet complains your staring at her

Muskrat muskrat , now boys calm down

Not exactly.
I have one request for my donation.
I want my acct eliminated and to cease to exist here.
Unlike you, I will not come back under different names, time after time.

My private attempts to get that done have not achieved the result so I put a prickly public post on a prickly public thread...that exemplifies why I want my acct eliminated. No point in making that complicated.
I would think that goal would please you.

Done for the day

Lol, again are you not able to cease to exist right now?

Do you need a formal ceremony?

your so disgruntled and unhappy here, I mean a 5 year old would know what he should do.

Oh noooooo Marty stay!

For $20 bucks, I'd like to start a new account...

Brian

You either will or you won't grant my request to eliminate my acct.
Please state which and I will adjust.

Martin

Btw...I have hijacked your thread and fire-started another sh!t slinging contest.
In my opinion...you should ban me for that. And eliminate my account.

Can't even get a decent shave and a haircut for that.

Freakonomics in action. Subscriber "A" will pay $20 for a membership that member "B" will pay $300 to rid himself of and the premium is for having the club erase any evidence of ever him ever having been a member.

LMBFWCA OFF!!!

So the assets of the entire US Population is underwater to the debt per citizen. That means if you liquidated the entire country, we are still $10K short PER PERSON of just breaking even, then having zero ownership in ANYTHING.

WARNING: I am spoiling the 2024 and 2022 film "Speak No Evil" below. Even if you read this, you should STILL watch that film. It was made to illustrate our reality.

Our country is a mirage. It has been stolen from us in only 24 years. In 2000, we were 5.5 trillion in debt. That alone is an unimaginable number and represents horrific management over the last 30 years of the 20th century (1970-2000 when we first went off the Gold standard. That was the beginning of the end). But what has happened since 2000 is beyond criminal. It is warfare against the people. When people are way more upset about a squirrel being put down than their entire country, it really isn't hard to understand how this happened.

Question: Why did you steal our country, the most prosperous and powerful in history?
Answer: Because you LET us!

This is the entire plotline and summation of the film "Speak No Evil" which was recently released as a remake of the original Danish-Dutch film(which I saw in 2022. I saw it for what it was at the time. Political Correctness is itself a means to silence dissent. That is what happens in the film, and it is EXACTLY what has happened in the real world.

While people became polite and timid, they stole everything. Who is they? Many theories exist, but the tip of the spear is the so called "elected" representatives who directly made it happen. Both parties, in unison. All Presidents since 2000 have participated directly. We are in the end game right now. The film ends in a grim place. We are in an even grimmer place in truth because instead of the protagonists in the make believe film, we are really experiencing this in the real world. Our grandkids and beyond will suffer because we let them do it.

Hmmmmm,
Really makes me wonder why you deleted my "MATH" thread...

Are you running for president Brian , Or just find all that bullshit interesting ?

Nothing has been deleted. Some stuff gets moved, some stuff gets combined. You ran off Martin for good. I am in no mood for whining. Since he was our second biggest donor this year, another nail has been driven.

There is no fixing this. The Presidents are figureheads. They can do good for this or that, now and then. They can also grift and steal and do evil if they like, but even that is largely inconsequential to the movement we are headed towards. When they sign off on the theft, then they are part of it. If they fight back, they get a bullet to the head or at least an attempt. I think much will be revealed in the next year, regardless of who "wins." Meanwhile, control what you can control. Be nice to others, create stuff, enjoy your life. We are along for the ride on things we can't alter.

Never mind, Brian.
I don't want another account...

Puppets right I agree . What ever agenda their working for by the rich elite , Why I'm not voting , its all bullshit. I got better things to do like music . I'll bs on here and joke about it , elections are cat houses. My Jewish good friend just said I'm a macho asshol , yes correct. So what's the tribe voting for ? He hates jewish jokes. I don't believe in Caveman wars , So fuk them and politicians . on a more serious thought , it's a tuff job being prez whoever its going to be , but congress seems like 6 year olds to me ,

“Why I'm not voting , its all bullshit. I got better things to do like music” - Bennash

Then again, maybe music is bullshit. I mean, rearranging 12 half-tones, like trying to solve a puzzle that has no solution. Or maybe a puzzle where there are infinite solutions. Or maybe a puzzle where all solutions are valid. Either way, much like politics and other endeavors, it keeps many from thinking their lives are all bullshit. Now I’m inspired. Think I’ll go back to my bullshit piano and solve another bullshit puzzle.

John

ha ha ha well ya got a point John , the elusive cousins on chords. Play that fancy chord , lol. I guess if I wanted to play pull the wool over my bad eyes , it be Trump , she has 0 answers. But a steak in December will still be $25.00 , Who knows.


oh trying to make money , cheap ass people


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Varj7n2JBIk



I think ya need 10 jobs to live today

Somehow I won New Jersey

Ha Ha Ha. The reason I didn't vote... I knew California would vote her , so it's a waste of my time , I'm glad he won. I don't like the system , never have. she had 0 solutions.

I think either side would vote the zodiac killer in.. just to stay in either party , its a broken system

Hmm... silence after the storm?

John

"Be nice to others, create stuff, enjoy your life." ~ Brian Austin Whitney


Agreed.


Peace,

Dave

I think I get it now... why there's so many "lurkers" and so few participants on these sites.

Ok let's see if groceries go down by Dec , I'll hold my breath, Well that's funny David , Brian started the ball rolling on politics . Tony rants on politics and Jesus , but never goes to songs . Johns buying real-estate in Vermont via Net- flix earnings . Elvis talks to army shrinks , but still has his doubts on sanity .

You should prepare yourself for the return of "Christmas", Elvis...

By the looks of TV ads , they're already trying to sell me things I'll never buy . But first we have Thanksgiving celebrating the slaughter of Indians . Families gossiping on the black sheep again , while their ghosts are no better . judge thy not , should be replaced ...we sure like to think were better than the next person.

I think it's cause it's not very shocking he won.

She had to overcome bidens demise, didn't have a long time to get out there.

Had to overcome being a woman where none has ever been elected.

Shocking to me , Trump being a asshol , I thought he might lose. He steamed rolled over her .