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If I were a moderator Dom would be gone, Tony would be gone, politics would be gone, religion would be gone. And any personality that disturbed the peace as an ongoing pattern would be gone. Standard practice every where but here. If the site couldn't survive with cordial discussions limited to songwriting and the music industry...I'd conclude that it shouldn't exist.
Do as you will with it. I'll do as I will with my $300 bucks. I realize that it is no money and not going to keep your doors open, but I'm not going to give it to an enterprise that is run wrong, by-the-numbers, allows people to call me all sorts of names and then blames me for handing the $hit back.
Martin Lide
I WILL NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR "IMPOSING" UPON YOU, A$$HOLE!
If I were a moderator Dom would be gone, Tony would be gone, politics would be gone, religion would be gone. And any personality that disturbed the peace as an ongoing pattern would be gone. Standard practice every where but here. If the site couldn't survive with cordial discussions limited to songwriting and the music industry...I'd conclude that it shouldn't exist.
Do as you will with it. I'll do as I will with my $300 bucks. I realize that it is no money and not going to keep your doors open, but I'm not going to give it to an enterprise that is run wrong, by-the-numbers, allows people to call me all sorts of names and then blames me for handing the $hit back.
Martin Lide
I WILL NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR "IMPOSING" UPON YOU, A$$HOLE!
Japov, why? Are you unable to control your impulses? Do what he did, say, "not interested in the back and forth." Click "ignore" and never see his posts again. I have told him the same via private message. You can't make someone on the internet like you. Either way.
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My response to Tony was civil and sincere and did not deserve to be rebuked with "a$$hole." A civil and conversational response was in order.
I'm not interested in hitting the ignore button and wondering what derogatory slams that Tony might be posting about me and my songs in other threads that I am not even seeing.
In my personal opinion...Tony's writings indicate that he has some pathology. For that, I am sympathetic. But other sites have rules and don't let such abuses go on regardless of the root cause. You have rules and have told Tony not to break them. Yet he does, and you allow it.
I'm not mad about that, but I am ready to stop being part of it. Therefore, if you are going to allow Tony to stay and do this, I sincerely request that you delete my account. I know that there are years of posts and so forth that will disappear, but I am fine with all of them being deleted. I interact on other sites where my posts are part of an overall background, largely invisible and I am never attacked. At this stage in my life, I prefer that.
One possible benefit to your site is that there are and have been people here who believe that part of the site's problems exist because of my disruptive and defective personality. Your writings occasionally indicate that you are one. With me gone, it may convince some reluctant people that the atmosphere has changed here and to engage again.
Once I am deleted here, there will be no hard feelings from me. I hope that your site succeeds in adjusting to the new AI environment and I wish you well in all ways.
My response to Tony was civil and sincere and did not deserve to be rebuked with "a$$hole." A civil and conversational response was in order.
I'm not interested in hitting the ignore button and wondering what derogatory slams that Tony might be posting about me and my songs in other threads that I am not even seeing.
In my personal opinion...Tony's writings indicate that he has some pathology. For that, I am sympathetic. But other sites have rules and don't let such abuses go on regardless of the root cause. You have rules and have told Tony not to break them. Yet he does, and you allow it.
I'm not mad about that, but I am ready to stop being part of it. Therefore, if you are going to allow Tony to stay and do this, I sincerely request that you delete my account. I know that there are years of posts and so forth that will disappear, but I am fine with all of them being deleted. I interact on other sites where my posts are part of an overall background, largely invisible and I am never attacked. At this stage in my life, I prefer that.
One possible benefit to your site is that there are and have been people here who believe that part of the site's problems exist because of my disruptive and defective personality. Your writings occasionally indicate that you are one. With me gone, it may convince some reluctant people that the atmosphere has changed here and to engage again.
Once I am deleted here, there will be no hard feelings from me. I hope that your site succeeds in adjusting to the new AI environment and I wish you well in all ways.
Sincerely, Martin Lide
"The commercial that says "you never get a second chance to make a first impression" may be true. Our job should be making sure that we give the person we are judging the chance to make that first impression themselves, in person, for real." –Brian Austin Whitney
I think even preachers hate revelations , it's so dark like the rest of the Bible . People work, pay bills , waste time on silly elections...as the dog pee's on the carpet . Try not to think... I'd like to bang some girl if you're married . Blah Blah Blah , life moves on sunrises and sunsets . Your not dead Tony , silly... write some songs .Try something besides deep and relgious , people have heard all the doom and gloom of whatever God started .. blah blah blah , yes God we've read your soap opera.
I think even preachers hate revelations , it's so dark like the rest of the Bible . People work, pay bills , waste time on silly elections...as the dog pee's on the carpet . Try not to think... I'd like to bang some girl if you're married . Blah Blah Blah , life moves on sunrises and sunsets . Your not dead Tony , silly... write some songs .Try something besides deep and relgious , people have heard all the doom and gloom of whatever God started .. blah blah blah , yes God we've read your soap opera.
ok so the guys driving to work in his truck at 5am , coffee is slapping around , wife's bitching about rent , Ok he hears it . Shite I need a new life. ok more religion is what the guy needs , check .
Evolution has been proven , but when our (complex minds ) go sideways we rely on fairytales . In a 1000 -years more and fairytales will be fazed out with logic .Morons will still be around I'm afraid .
Martin Scorsese says, "Faith and doubt cannot be separated..." He is wrong.
Faith...
Those who do not know the Spirit accuse the prophets who wrote the Bible of blindly but creatively theorizing about the existence of some higher imperceivable power... and dismiss it as antiquated superstition. Any reference to prophecy is easily explained away as coincidence, or a product of textual forgery and manipulation over the centuries. Ultimately, the spiritless demand proof.
Those who do know the Spirit immediately recognize the true author of the Scriptures by their commonality of content, and ceaseless reference to symptoms of spiritual intervention that only the Spirit filled appreciate and understand. Holy Scripture is a joyful validation for the spiritually attuned and is easily accepted as fact. The sheep recognize the call of their shepherd.
So, how does "one who knows" describe the indescribable? How do the spiritually enlightened explain the unseen? The one who knows is content and does not toil with mystery, but is a mystery for those who do not know. What word describes the difference between the two?
No, it is not faith.
The knowledgeable man knows that he knows and does not require faith. Faith then becomes an accusation of the ignorant; Faith is belief in the unreasonable and unfounded they say... The man of Spirit already knows his purpose and place in life. The man of logic and reason requires faith to sleep at night.
New King James Version Hebrews 11 ""1)Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2)For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. 3)By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.""
So, what is faith for the one who doubts? It is undeniable proof of creation and God's gift of Spirit as evidenced by the faithful. It is an unyielding desire for a spiritual confirmation of truth despite the authors of fairy tales... or, despite better judgment.
NIV Ephesians 2; 8-10 ""8)For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9)not by works, so that no one can boast. 10)For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.""
JAPOV Believers are saved by God's grace through faith, which is an unearned and undeserved gift of Spirit. No man can stand justified before God and boast of his own righteousness by his own hand. We are God's own will and work of Spirit, created in Christ Jesus to do God's will... Which was His plan from the foundation of the earth.
Yes.. also if you buy these Victory Vitamins , you to will live to be 109 years old. Endorsed by the invisible man in the sky that strangely looks like the duck hunter. Act now... Tony will send his new book . Drugs, sex and Jesus for a valued price of $19.99 . Buy Now !!!!
Yes.. also if you buy these Victory Vitamins , you to will live to be 109 years old. Endorsed by the invisible man in the sky that strangely looks like the duck hunter. Act now... Tony will send his new book . Drugs, sex and Jesus for a valued price of $19.99 . Buy Now !!!!
Everything worth reading was written thousands of years ago, Elvis.
You should pay more attention to the kings of the North, and kings of the East... Russia/China
Prophecy is the proof of God's word... Without the gift of Spirit, there would be no truth. Without prophets, there wouldn't be a Bible.
Could be true , Naw I pay attention to music , I don't concern myself with the world. My buddy watches Fox News , I always tell him , why do you bother ?
For any particular "Truth" , people will have a certain mix of faith in the certainty of something and a remaining doubt, no matter how small, of its veracity.
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
For any particular "Truth" , people will have a certain mix of faith in the certainty of something and a remaining doubt, no matter how small, of its veracity.
Faith is abstract. If something was right in front of you, could be seen or heard, then there's no faith involved.
I dint need faith to believe in a traffic jam, it's there, I'm stuck in it, it exists
God requires faith, you can't see, you can't hear,. You can read The Bible, and learn what was written, and then make a choice.
That's faith because it's not proven, it's something you decide to believe or not.
If we were there to witness Jesus performing miracles or dying on the cross, it be a no brainer.
But then that's not faith either. Faith is belief in something that is not proven
Where did you get your knowledge about God from? I know the answer call it rhetorical.
Then you're obviously asking the wrong question... for the wrong reason... as usual.
Why does God's word make sense to me? Because God makes sense to me.
Why does God make sense to me? Because I asked Him to.
The rest you'll have to take up with Him...
You're dodging the question.
Where did you get GOD's word from?
The same place Moses got it from...
No, you got your data on God the Father, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit, by way of King James.
You read, and were moved. Nothing wrong with that, every Jewish and Christian religion get their data from The Bible.
Now, back to my point, you're relying totally on faith, that the stories in The Bible , actually took place, from Moses 15 commandments, dropping one and then 10...
And Jesus being born , HIS ministry, and His crucifixion and resurrection.
Without THE Bible nobody knows any of this, therefore can not dream to believe it.
So your faith lies that it's factual, and that everything written, by humans, happened .
No, you got your data on God the Father, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit, by way of King James.
You read, and were moved. Nothing wrong with that, every Jewish and Christian religion get their data from The Bible.
Now, back to my point, you're relying totally on faith, that the stories in The Bible , actually took place, from Moses 15 commandments, dropping one and then 10...
And Jesus being born , HIS ministry, and His crucifixion and resurrection.
Without THE Bible nobody knows any of this, therefore can not dream to believe it.
So your faith lies that it's factual, and that everything written, by humans, happened .
The Bible is not a book of religion... The Bible simply presents itself as the inspired word of God.
The first page of the Bible opens with this;
Genesis 1 New King James Version 1) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Then continues with this;
26) Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.
The opening page of the Bible forces you to ask yourself two very important questions... Do I accept the existence of an all knowing and all powerful triune God? And... Do I accept that I am God's creation and He is in control of my destiny?
If your answer is no, then the Spirit will not enable you to understand the rest of the Bible as it should be. You will not see it from God's perspective (Jesus' Amplified Point Of View). You will only intellectualize the obvious wisdom it contains and dismiss the rest, leaving you with many more questions.
However, you shouldn't be discouraged. The fact that those questions will stick with you is also the Spirit at work. If you earnestly seek God then the Spirit will answer you.
On the other hand, if you allow your intellect to continually struggle and argue with the Spirit, then you deny the power of God.
It is better to fear God than trust your own limited intellect. You should also fear your self indulgent and sinful nature. Being made in His image gives you access, a right of passage. But, it does not give you any authority; Only dominion over lesser creatures.
The obvious takeaway is that you are not God, and you should respect His divinity.
Matthew 12 31)“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32) Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
The Bible is the only place you can find instructions on how to approach the Spirit of God.
No, you got your data on God the Father, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit, by way of King James.
You read, and were moved. Nothing wrong with that, every Jewish and Christian religion get their data from The Bible.
Now, back to my point, you're relying totally on faith, that the stories in The Bible , actually took place, from Moses 15 commandments, dropping one and then 10...
And Jesus being born , HIS ministry, and His crucifixion and resurrection.
Without THE Bible nobody knows any of this, therefore can not dream to believe it.
So your faith lies that it's factual, and that everything written, by humans, happened .
Your faith is in man, like it or not.
Lol... The antichrist will be a "man", Dom...
You may be fooled, not me.
And you heard about the Anti Christ from where? The Bible, written by men.
Dont get me wrong, that's all we have, we don't know Jesus, unless somebody tells us.
And truth can not be found by fudging the facts
I still find it odd that you quickly reference Old Testament , and Revelations but rarely if it all mention Jesus, and His tenant love one another as yourself.
I don't know, I know The Bible says you must be born again.
But nowhere does it say go and start a Religion called born again...
Often born again Christians will try to recruit you by saying things like " the devil is keeping you Catholic ' No lie. And he said it to me in a music store lol
Don't worry about the world ending today , its already tomorrow in Australia.
I'm not much into dooms day stuff. But its nice to know Jesus has a stable of white horses
Originally Posted by JAPOV
I'm obviously a pessimist lol...
But,
Am I the only one who thinks "Thanksgiving" feels kinda' strange this year?
I'm not saying we shouldn't take a day to reflect and be thankful... I'm just already dreading the day after.
It's as if the entire world is suffering from some kind of bipolar disorder...
I remember when the majority of people used to look forward to Thanksgiving and Christmas. The Spirit of the season was contagious.
Now, it seems as if no one can remember why...
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I theorize that social media has alot to do with it.
There used to be mystery and hope with holidays. Now go on Facebook and thanksgiving unfolds in your face instantly, leaving nothing to the imagination .
It may also be that over time, all things change and die. Can Thanksgiving survive hundreds of more years?
I doubt football will exist in 200 years
I don't believe most people truly understand just how sad those statements are.
We are about to celebrate the beginning of the year 2025 "AD". Roman historians were notoriously tedious... Tacitus was no exception.
That's not to mention the Jewish historian Josephus...
Invest in your boy Trump , stick 2k in doge coin , by Feb it'll pay going to Nashville. I bet ya it jumps 20% in Jan when he steps in .My wife talked me into 10k today on doge , Well she's right , music makes nothing .
20% gain you can go to Nashville and play with session players
I remember when the majority of people used to look forward to Thanksgiving and Christmas. The Spirit of the season was contagious.
Probably to much info on net , in the real world , people see their families , blah blah blah , all that Like I said I don't play into doomsday stuff. Jesus could come back , no idea , Keep busy lol
Don't worry about the world ending today , its already tomorrow in Australia.
I'm not much into dooms day stuff. But its nice to know Jesus has a stable of white horses
Originally Posted by JAPOV
I'm obviously a pessimist lol...
But,
Am I the only one who thinks "Thanksgiving" feels kinda' strange this year?
I'm not saying we shouldn't take a day to reflect and be thankful... I'm just already dreading the day after.
It's as if the entire world is suffering from some kind of bipolar disorder...
I remember when the majority of people used to look forward to Thanksgiving and Christmas. The Spirit of the season was contagious.
Now, it seems as if no one can remember why...
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I theorize that social media has alot to do with it.
There used to be mystery and hope with holidays. Now go on Facebook and thanksgiving unfolds in your face instantly, leaving nothing to the imagination .
It may also be that over time, all things change and die. Can Thanksgiving survive hundreds of more years?
I doubt football will exist in 200 years
I don't believe most people truly understand just how sad those statements are.
We are about to celebrate the beginning of the year 2025 "AD". Roman historians were notoriously tedious... Tacitus was no exception.
That's not to mention the Jewish historian Josephus...
First it's just an observation. Second, I know josephius, but what he does have to do with people losing interest and changing traditions?
He wrote some historical facts about Jesus
Thanksgiving and even Christmas are basically secular holidays. Some Jews celebrate Christmas, some Asians and Indians.
Because it's more American that it is religious.
Maybe that is sad, but I bet most teenagers have no idea what Thanksgiving really is.
It's a day to eat. People talk about food for three days before.
It is what is.
My point was, thanksgiving is alot of work for people hosting it
It may always exist cause people like to eat, but most traditions lose their punch over time.
Sad? Maybe, but alot of things are sad.
Hungry children and dogs living in the elements . Wars, disease, aging, sex trafficking, death, tsunamis....
Thanksgiving is a traditional day for family to get together, reconnect, share a meal, and forge stronger bonds. It is a gathering to share why we are grateful...originally simply for surviving harsh conditions with a successful harvest.
Families, parents especially, see it as a way to get the kids and cousins and grandparents together and do not see it as work at all as everyone co operates to get things "on the table"
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
Thanksgiving is a traditional day for family to get together, reconnect, share a meal, and forge stronger bonds. It is a gathering to share why we are grateful...originally simply for surviving harsh conditions with a successful harvest.
Families, parents especially, see it as a way to get the kids and cousins and grandparents together and do not see it as work at all as everyone co operates to get things "on the table"
Well of course that is the way it should be, unfortunately, it's NOT what it is.
Btw, most kids forced to get together with family they dont really like or anything In common, simply cause the holiday suggests it, is moot
And your description has nothing to do with why Japov commented on It he takes the religious view
Many people feel that Thanksgiving can be "too much work" because it often involves extensive meal preparation, hosting a large group of family, extensive cleaning, travel arrangements, and the pressure to create a perfect holiday experience, which can lead to significant stress and time commitment, particularly for the person taking on the role of host.
Key reasons why Thanksgiving can feel like too much work: Cooking complexity: Preparing a large Thanksgiving meal with multiple dishes, including a turkey, can take hours of cooking time and meticulous planning. Guest expectations:
The pressure to provide a plentiful and impressive meal for a large group can add stress. Cleaning responsibilities: Thoroughly cleaning the house before and after a large gathering can be time-consuming. Family dynamics: Navigating potential family tensions or disagreements that can arise during holiday gatherings can be emotionally draining. Travel logistics: If traveling to see family for Thanksgiving, the planning and execution of travel arrangements can add to the stress. Ways to manage Thanksgiving stress and workload: Delegate tasks: Ask family members to bring side dishes or desserts, or help with setting up, cleaning, or cooking. Simplify the menu: Choose a smaller meal with fewer dishes or opt for pre-made options. Offer to host elsewhere: If you don't want to handle the full hosting responsibility, suggest celebrating at someone else's home. Set boundaries: Communicate your needs and limitations to family members to manage expectations. Prioritize self-care: Take breaks during the day to relax and avoid getting overwhelmed.
Thanksgiving is losing appeal for many people due to growing awareness of the holiday's historical context, which is seen as a narrative that glosses over the brutal treatment of Native Americans by European settlers, leading to a perception of the holiday as celebrating colonization rather than genuine gratitude; this has caused some to view Thanksgiving as a day of mourning rather than celebration, prompting critical discussions about its authenticity and appropriateness.
Key reasons why Thanksgiving is losing appeal: Historical inaccuracies: The traditional story of the Pilgrims and Native Americans sharing a peaceful feast is considered by many to be a sanitized version of history, ignoring the devastating impact of colonization on indigenous populations. Cultural sensitivity: As awareness of Native American perspectives grows, many people feel uncomfortable celebrating a holiday that appears to celebrate the displacement and oppression of indigenous communities. Commercialization: The focus on Black Friday shopping immediately following Thanksgiving has led to criticism that the holiday is becoming more about consumerism than family time and gratitude. Complex family dynamics: For some, Thanksgiving can be a stressful time due to family tensions and the pressure to gather everyone together, especially if there are geographic distances or personal conflicts.
Ok, so an American harvest holiday that started more than 200 years AFTER the events you are talking about is now somehow emblematic of what has been done to the indigenous population?
Drink that Koolaid by all means.
But harvest thanks and all kinds of agricultural rituals have been with us since the dawn of agriculture. It was not original to America's indigenous peoples nor the Puritans
If I was looking at causes of indigenous exploitation, I would start with settlers who wanted to clearly own and demarcate their lands and resources on it and all the government actions that moved people off their traditional lands...all the killing done in the name of America (Canada, Australia...etc...you are not alone) ....but not some ancient holiday drawn from millenia BC to our 2024 CE
BTW, Thanksgiving was apparently FIRST proposed in 1863 as a way to heal from the Civil War and only later in the century did they link it to the Pilgrims.....probably to entrench it more...dunno.
Oh and your comment that I said "everybody loves it" is a total mischaracterization of what I said...which is "it is different for everyody...reflects who they are and what circumstance they are in.
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
Ok, so an American harvest holiday that started more than 200 years AFTER the events you are talking about is now somehow emblematic of what has been done to the indigenous population?
Drink that Koolaid by all means.
But harvest thanks and all kinds of agricultural rituals have been with us since the dawn of agriculture. It was not original to America's indigenous peoples nor the Puritans
If I was looking at causes of indigenous exploitation, I would start with settlers who wanted to clearly own and demarcate their lands and resources on it and all the government actions that moved people off their traditional lands...all the killing done in the name of America (Canada, Australia...etc...you are not alone) ....but not some ancient holiday drawn from millenia BC to our 2024 CE
BTW, Thanksgiving was apparently FIRST proposed in 1863 as a way to heal from the Civil War and only later in the century did they link it to the Pilgrims.....probably to entrench it more...dunno.
Oh and your comment that I said "everybody loves it" is a total mischaracterization of what I said...which is "it is different for everyody...reflects who they are and what circumstance they are in.
Whaaaa you're still talking?
No, that was one point of several I presented here, the holiday is stressful, it's hard work, it's aloit of hoopla about nothing. You are zeroing in on one....
It's about stuffing and engorging oneself. Unbuckling ones belt . Going to living room and watching tv.
Sure it's still something most of us are going to do, as tradition holds. It has some wonderful points to it
But the op was about the holidays, thanksgivng, losing it's luster
I like a good debate : Happy Thanksgiving and buy doge coin I'm not into doom , If Jesus comes back send me a email. I don't think AI is really that smart and it's not the devil .
The roller -coaster was invented to keep people out of brothels and bars.
July is named after Julies Caesar.
Ignorance always causes fear on new inventions .
The myths or facts of religion has fallen away to science .
The Department of Education's Office of Enforcement — created by the Obama administration and resurrected by the Biden administration — has repeatedly attempted to shut down colleges and universities that don't align with the administration's "woke agenda". (The same department of ed that prosecuted parents who spoke against DEI as domestic terrorists...)
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