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by JAPOV - 02/17/25 03:53 PM
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Well chaos is big in the Bible , its not much on dinner and a movie , lets stay calm , and think it thru. Well time to mosey to the studio and mess up a song . the robots sound better then me .
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"yes, you're quoting someone else , have you got a quote of your own ?" - bennash Maybe I can have AI generate a quote of my own? John 
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Probably man . What is it chat box or something ? silly robots , I guess we could marry one , No bitching . yes master . cook me dinner yes oh holy one .
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AI is a tool like a drum machine , or a $29.00 plug in.. online . Those that do not flow with new technology , get left behind in the dust . Bitching and moaning won't stop AI. What soul ? its your brain .Electrons firing, pleasure dopamines. When was the word soul invented ? no idea .more fairy tales to amuse us . if you told your wife you bought that guitar on sale , you sold your soul . like Robert Johnson . Tony the Christian likes to say fuk a lot. the devil made him do it . horns and pitch forks all that jazz .Halloween masks for kids and murder for a day . Ok back to we love everyone the next day. Well in 2 months kids , we celbrate a birthday . yes he was murdered also . You haven't heard a word I have said. So, I'll say it again: A melody is yours if you create it. A lyric is yours if you create it. If a guitar is featured on your song and if that guitar was played by you, then it's your guitar. If A.I wrote the melody, then it isn't yours. If A.I wrote the lyric, then the lyrics ain't yours. If A.I inserted a drum roll into the song, then it's an A.I. drum roll. Yeah, that's some tool...............just don't be fooling yourself, and then to go on fooling others. And remember: "Those who continually go with the flow, usually end up going over the fall". -IronKnee
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Fuk'n Fukity Fuuuk! Happy Helloween, Elvis 
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I read everything you said Iron -key . Then don't use AI . I find AI beneficial for my needs . I still write melodies without AI. I'm a little bored . So I think I'll do a cover . Lo and behold by James Taylor , Excellent guitar work on that song . I guess the lawyers are still locking horns on stolen property on AI . I have no idea , I doubt they're worried on ole Elvis Nash . Taylor Swift might be worried on stealing her voice .
All October means to me , its fall and construction slows down Tony . Here come the ads to buy more crap for Xmas . They tend to flourish the ads for Thanksgiving like a (Rockwell painting ), but basically it means we killed the Indians .
The boring bad world is still having real -estate wars like 3 -year olds . At my age I don't follow the fools much .
Well I drifted from AI . 99% of (majors ) use session players and some sort of AI . Pro-Tools is basically AI.
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I read everything you said Iron -key . Then don't use AI . I find AI beneficial for my needs . I still write melodies without AI. I'm a little bored . So I think I'll do a cover . Lo and behold by James Taylor , Excellent guitar work on that song . I guess the lawyers are still locking horns on stolen property on AI . I have no idea , I doubt they're worried on ole Elvis Nash . Taylor Swift might be worried on stealing her voice .
All October means to me , its fall and construction slows down Tony . Here come the ads to buy more crap for Xmas . They tend to flourish the ads for Thanksgiving like a (Rockwell painting ), but basically it means we killed the Indians .
The boring bad world is still having real -estate wars like 3 -year olds . At my age I don't follow the fools much .
Well I drifted from AI . 99% of (majors ) use session players and some sort of AI . Pro-Tools is basically AI. I'm glad you still write your own stuff. And you can do what you want, makes no diff to me. It's the trend, and everyone else I worry about. LOL...you read all of my stuff? I'm ironKnee... not Iron-key... that's a good one
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Well I like the - ( ) and e.g.s , just to look important. Like I know something . in case I talk to Sony on stolden material , take my fishing pole and guitar away . you violated 3875 dash Hillbilly clause .
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Well I like the - ( ) and e.g.s , just to look important. Like I know something . in case I talk to Sony on stolden material , take my fishing pole and guitar away . you violated 3875 dash Hillbilly clause . I had my suspicions that you were a bot, all along. ;-)
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ha ha ha right , I'm just a robot... defending what I hated when AI came out. its a handy tool. its just a song . Were not curing cancer .
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its a handy tool. its just a song . Were not curing cancer . And that is exactly why you believe the way you do. Music has been curing our souls.... and our hearts... and our minds from the beginning of time.
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That's very true man , but back on topic I'm not losing sleep over AI and a melody .most songs are 3 chords . AI just give me ideas on productions . Like listening to hit songs and see what they're doing . The biggest advantage is my song and see what they come up with . you still have to produce it with Nashville session players and sing it .
it also comes down to promotion and selling CDS with a QR code on cd to download songs . Then basically you're in the music business . I highly doubt Sony is worried about Elvis Nash , with major artists and Sony making millions . bitching and moaning from their mansions . I guess their days have to be planned out well... to practice guitar and lawyer battles
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Yeah, I get it.
And once there is a taste of money, the soul becomes displaced by the pursuit of all those things that diminish the inspiration that started it all in the first place.
Chalk it up to change.
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I guess , it's not much difference than a contractor . money rules , unfortunately. The gene -pool and Jeff Besos and me got sidetracked somewhere . Crossing on the Mayflower , who knows. worrying about AI is the least of my worries lol. a new toy .
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I guess , it's not much difference than a contractor . money rules , unfortunately. The gene -pool and Jeff Besos and me got sidetracked somewhere . Crossing on the Mayflower , who knows. worrying about AI is the least of my worries lol. a new toy . Yeah...it's a tiring argument, and minds won't change. But this toy, and a starving ego, can make liars of us.
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Well Ironkey its better to just play guitar , than solely relying on AI , it kinda makes ya lazy . Who knows the sensualism of all this crap . now the shocking news , I'd rather play and watch the dog . liars ? ha ha I use a few for melodies , but cut it .
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Well Ironkey its better to just play guitar , than solely relying on AI , it kinda makes ya lazy . Who knows the sensualism of all this crap . now the shocking news , I'd rather play and watch the dog . liars ? ha ha I use a few for melodies , but cut it . LOL... not sure, exactly, with all that you've just said.  And for the second time... it's IRONKNEE  You need a good editor... how about: "Well, IronKnee, it's better to just play guitar than to solely rely on AI—it can make you feel a bit lazy. Who knows the depth of all this? Now for the shocking news: I'd rather play music and watch my dog! Liars? Ha ha! I do use AI for a few melodies, but I usually end up cutting it out."[size:17pt][/size] Took me awhile to decipher your post.  "You're killing me Smalls"
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Ha ha ha , Well you got it. Using strickly AI , You never progress much on guitar . so I balance it out .
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I know it is pretty much impossible to change minds, but A.I is taking the soul...your soul... right out of the songwriting process. We either "create" our own music, or we choose the easy route and "select" the music of our liking.
Any of you people calling these A.I songs your songs are fooling yourselves. If I upload a full song, then it simply recreates the melody, lyrics and tempo with better sounding result, that is EXACTLY what happens with every song ever recorded from a demo. If I had money, I would hire the best producer and session played (nearly all the hits of the past were done by collections of players in a handful of cities, cranking out tracks over and over. A.I. simply listens to the recordings, and uses the same principles. Most session players saved the good riffs for the big money and did generic riffs for the poor artists. A.I. gives you the entire breadth. I have gotten it to produce results that sound like a literal garage band banging around with on mic, a poor mix but lots of energy and fun, just like some of the old tapes I have. It has been trained on such a breadth of music from so many sources, if you are clever in your prompts, your arrangement and the starting music you upload, it becomes a collaboration on production much like ANY studio experience, while preserving YOUR melody and lyric. Can it do EVERYTHING? Yes. But entry level people aren't harming anyone learning that way. The real teacher is LISTENING to choices. Kids no longer go to record stores and listen with friends. Guess what? That is coming back, just in different form. Kids are making songs to amuse themselves and their friends, rather than finding songs. They are widely sharing them just like we used to do with albums. Music on demand will be the norm sooner than you think. Movies on demand will follow. Pick the actors, pick the plot, pick the genre, push go, sit back, be entertained, move on to the next. People will share their favorite creations. Real films, done the old fashioned way, will still exist and many will choose them if they are good. But I guarantee most fan bases of comic books could make far better films than the ones Hollywood cranks out when those tools are available, and they will be. Now, instead of being part of the "crew" on a film, you can be writer, director, producer, actor, and bring in your friends to play next to old stars who have licensed their work. And eventually, even if it takes public domain, ALL the previous works will be inside the creative options. Grumble all you want, it is coming and your dislike for it will be washed away with results. We are in less than babysteps now. If you live 20 years, it will all be true.
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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.....today's cancel culture will evolve into the digital thought police and everyone will live happily ever after.
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.....today's cancel culture will evolve into the digital thought police and everyone will live happily ever after. I hear you and agree with the first part. We are an election away from it being true. The left used to be adamantly against censorship, against any war and against doing things like forcing experimental medicine on everyone, including kids. Now many have and continue to suffer and die because of it and BOTH sides pushed or, or at least went along with it, in government. A music creation software, however, did not bring any of it on. Is there a downside? Maybe but kids don't get music lessons any more unless they are wealthy. They rarely play in bands anymore unless they have stage parents pushing them. But giving powerful creation tools has far more upside. Now any songwriter can prove their ideas are viable. I would still have real musicians record an album, but I have access to the talent and I have resourcefulness to make it happen. Many have the money to do it today, but that excludes 99%. This is what allows labels and publishers, the usual suspects, to control access, create artificial scarcity, and then torment and destroy those who ask for and need their help reach an audience. This tech helps get away from that. As it gets better (it still has plenty of flaws) you will build your own studio session and instruct each instrument how you want them to play, you will do as much in running the boards as you please with help or solo or maybe with templates for how famous producers once did it. All these these are 90% done, but perfecting them will take a lot of work and learning. These systems are getting more feedback from users giving simple thumbs up, neutral or down feedback over mass scale and over mass songs. I have produced way over 200 songs, and about 40 are essentially great demos. None are release ready, but the results inform me so I rewrite and rewrite in a pseudo studio environment. I look forward when it is like the real thing. I hope I am around long enough. Films will be next. I hope I get to see that too. No one is being stopped fom doing things old school. But the truth is 98% of new music is produced using VERY advanced tools. This just puts them all at your fingerprints for $10 bucks a month.
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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((""As it gets better (it still has plenty of flaws) you will build your own studio session and instruct each instrument how you want them to play, you will do as much in running the boards as you please with help or solo or maybe with templates for how famous producers once did it."")) --------------------------- No doubt. No argument. Everyone gets that, Brian. The reality you're describing is no longer virtual, and certainly "COULD" be a wonderful creative asset. However... EVERYTHING IS BEING DIGITIZED! EVEN MONEY! This brave new digital world is still in its infancy, but growing fast. OWNERSHIP and CONTROL is the issue, Brian. The "Programmers" will dictate digital policy, especially with regard to public address. The entire digital platform will be absolutely regulated and administered in accordance with acceptable global standards of lawful ethics. I still remember how wonderful, useful, and liberating the World Wide Web was supposed to be... intended to be... https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14871203
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birds are singing , and I write a song. I have no idea what cancel culture is or woke . I'm sure it's very interesting... if I didn't have have better things to do , like write a song with AI or not . I could read why Eric Clapton hates someone . with a net worth of 500 mil .
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birds are singing , and I write a song. I have no idea what cancel culture is or woke . I'm sure it's very interesting... if I didn't have have better things to do , like write a song with AI or not . I could read why Eric Clapton hates someone . with a net worth of 500 mil . Who is trying to stop you, Elvis? Have you ever been cancelled? Trust me, you're going to miss "The land of the free and home of the brave" when it's gone...
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Oh brother , my world is fine Tony, probably so is yours .Have I been canceled ? probably . its the same old world... 70 % good, 30% bad . I try to be happy with what I got , ambition gets in the way .
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I know it is pretty much impossible to change minds, but A.I is taking the soul...your soul... right out of the songwriting process. We either "create" our own music, or we choose the easy route and "select" the music of our liking.
Any of you people calling these A.I songs your songs are fooling yourselves. If I upload a full song, then it simply recreates the melody, lyrics and tempo with better sounding result, that is EXACTLY what happens with every song ever recorded from a demo. If I had money, I would hire the best producer and session played (nearly all the hits of the past were done by collections of players in a handful of cities, cranking out tracks over and over. A.I. simply listens to the recordings, and uses the same principles. Most session players saved the good riffs for the big money and did generic riffs for the poor artists. A.I. gives you the entire breadth. I have gotten it to produce results that sound like a literal garage band banging around with on mic, a poor mix but lots of energy and fun, just like some of the old tapes I have. It has been trained on such a breadth of music from so many sources, if you are clever in your prompts, your arrangement and the starting music you upload, it becomes a collaboration on production much like ANY studio experience, while preserving YOUR melody and lyric. Can it do EVERYTHING? Yes. But entry level people aren't harming anyone learning that way. The real teacher is LISTENING to choices. Kids no longer go to record stores and listen with friends. Guess what? That is coming back, just in different form. Kids are making songs to amuse themselves and their friends, rather than finding songs. They are widely sharing them just like we used to do with albums. Music on demand will be the norm sooner than you think. Movies on demand will follow. Pick the actors, pick the plot, pick the genre, push go, sit back, be entertained, move on to the next. People will share their favorite creations. Real films, done the old fashioned way, will still exist and many will choose them if they are good. But I guarantee most fan bases of comic books could make far better films than the ones Hollywood cranks out when those tools are available, and they will be. Now, instead of being part of the "crew" on a film, you can be writer, director, producer, actor, and bring in your friends to play next to old stars who have licensed their work. And eventually, even if it takes public domain, ALL the previous works will be inside the creative options. Grumble all you want, it is coming and your dislike for it will be washed away with results. We are in less than babysteps now. If you live 20 years, it will all be true. I understand your view, and it is a view that is winning the day. I get it. A.I can do it all without the human input. Why hire studio musicians, writers, a producer, etc., when A.I can do it all? I will opt in preferring the human aspect over the Artificial one. The bonds between band mates collaborating with each other, feeling inspired, taking risks, and facing failures is a big part of music creation that contributes to the richness of the art form. And let's not forget that music isn't just about its sound. A.I lacks the human ability to feel and express genuine emotions that resonate deeply with listeners. Music often arises from personal experiences, struggles, and joys that AI cannot replicate. Also, what inspires most of all are the musicians themselves. Their music may be great, but it's only an attribute of the bigger-than-life characters that make the music. I can go on and on............
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I hire studio players and sing it myself to make the song my own. We sure get fired up, over a song and the new toy AI. I remember when the drum machine came out , it was the same debate as AI. of course the Internet was not invented , it was drummers bitching word of mouth in studios . Home studios basically killed business studios , I still use them . Nobody's bitching about that... like the mighty AI toys, and 40 trillion plug in's.
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...A.I can do it all without the human input. Why hire studio musicians, writers, a producer, etc., when A.I can do it all? I will opt in preferring the human aspect over the Artificial one. The bonds between band mates collaborating with each other, feeling inspired, taking risks, and facing failures is a big part of music creation that contributes to the richness of the art form. And let's not forget that music isn't just about its sound. A.I lacks the human ability to feel and express genuine emotions that resonate deeply with listeners. Music often arises from personal experiences, struggles, and joys that AI cannot replicate.
Also, what inspires most of all are the musicians themselves. Their music may be great, but it's only an attribute of the bigger-than-life characters that make the music.
I can go on and on............ A "straw man argument" occurs when someone misrepresents or oversimplifies an opposing position in order to attack it more easily. AI detractors often use this fallacy when arguing against music AI platforms like Udio and Suno. Here are some examples of how this fallacy may be employed: "AI Music Replaces Real Musicians" Detractors may claim, "Music AI like Udio and Suno are designed to replace human musicians completely," which misrepresents the technology. AI tools are often meant to assist musicians or complement human creativity rather than fully replace musicians. This exaggeration creates a straw man, making it easier to criticize AI as threatening musicians’ livelihoods. "AI Produces Soulless Music with No Emotion" Critics might argue, "AI music has no soul, it’s just random notes with no emotion or depth," ignoring the fact that platforms like Udio and Suno can be used creatively by human artists to generate emotional music, often based on prompts that reflect deeply personal or meaningful input. By reducing AI’s capabilities to mechanical randomness, they misrepresent the nuanced possibilities these tools offer. "AI Music is Just Copying Existing Music" Some argue, "AI-generated music is just plagiarism, ripping off existing songs," which oversimplifies how AI models work. Platforms like Udio and Suno generate new compositions based on patterns learned from large datasets, not direct copying. This straw man dismisses the innovation and potential behind AI music creation, equating it to mere theft. "AI Will Make Music Creation Meaningless" Another straw man is, "With AI, anyone can create music without any effort, so music will lose its value." This distorts the reality that AI-generated music can still involve considerable creativity and artistic input, even if it makes certain technical aspects more accessible. By framing it as "effortless," detractors sidestep the idea that using AI tools requires skill and vision. These arguments misrepresent the role and impact of music AI, making it easier to criticize them without addressing their true capabilities or potential benefits to human musicians and especially non-musicians.
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Hey Mike !!! , nice to see you man .Drum machines were the big deal in the 90ties or whenever. I bitched and moaned about AI also , its just a tool .
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All these songwriter sites are dying...
...AI is doing its job
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You have to cut em using live players , what's the point... how could you promote as an artist ? Tony you spend more time the worlds ending than songs lol.
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All these songwriter sites are dying...
...AI is doing its job I don't know if it's A.I that is killing our music sites, but it is happening. I've been frequenting 7 songwriting sites, over the years, and at one time they were all very active. Only four are still on-line, but; with the exception of only one, all are frequented by a remnant few, including this one. And the one that remains robust and active has become dominant, with a leftist ideology, that has slowly, over time, turned hostile towards conservative points of view. Back to A.I... ... I am faced with leaving these sites for good. I hate the A.I crap that I hear. I like hearing the human nuance that makes it relatable. Like listening to the Beatle's recordings, I hear all their little hic-cups that make it awesome. A.I is perfect... just like cubic zirconia. Or maybe I'm what M.Z described as just a "straw man" "detractor" afraid of something new. Nevertheless, If I had the power to change your minds, I wouldn't. That would be a bigger burden than I could imagine.
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you guys miss the whole point .You have use live players and sing it like the Beatles . AI is a tool. like 6 trillion plug in's. Beatles used all kind of tricks . over dubbing was the AI of the day
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you guys miss the whole point .You have use live players and sing it like the Beatles . AI is a tool. like 6 trillion plug in's. Beatles used all kind of tricks . over dubbing was the AI of the day U-hu... riiight. 
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I've written every lyric of every song I've plugged in to Udio and Suno and am generally pleased with the resulting music. However, I'd rather re-produce that "gem" in studio with musicians because at the end of the day, I think it more satisfying to play live in front of real people than to have them just click the Play button.
I'm not planning to give up on this site, either. There's still much talent to inspire and challenge me and a whole lotta friendship, too
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Your home studio is AI Ironknee. you put studios out of business. how many plug in's have you bought to replace studio players ?
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Your home studio is AI Ironknee. you put studios out of business. how many plug in's have you bought to replace studio players ? I use a $100 Boss Micro 4-BR to record everything. It basically works like the old cassette recorders... push play/record and sing into the condenser mic that's incorporated. All the instruments are me... ALL the writing is me... the lyrics... the melody... the instrumental accompaniments... and all the little mistakes that end up on the recordings I post. And my biggest concern is with the creation aspects. Are you writing the melody.... or are you selecting and tweaking a melody?
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Tweaking melodies mostly IronKnee on about 4 songs with AI assist . Ok than no big deal on a Boss Micro 4-BR . I used that years ago . it should be just a friendly debate , no biggee. Tony's world is always ending... cuz he's watching the world spin around 24/7 lol. Are we having fun yet ? is the question .
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Tweaking melodies mostly IronKnee on about 4 songs with AI assist . Ok than no big deal on a Boss Micro 4-BR . I used that years ago . it should be just a friendly debate , no biggee. Tony's world is always ending... cuz he's watching the world spin around 24/7 lol. Are we having fun yet ? is the question . I watch that stuff like a hawk, as well. It's a mad, mad world out there. We are all going to follow the aroma of our own liking. And remember: A fox doesn't smell its own den  And I agree.... this is a friendly discussion. 
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All good , it's a mad world if you watch it , I don't . A G walk down interests me , Not the world lol. Don't tell me 30 % of the world is still bad .
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All good , it's a mad world if you watch it , I don't . A G walk down interests me , Not the world lol. Don't tell me 30 % of the world is still bad . It's the other 70% who are easily fooled, Elvis. Strange how this crap still inspires me... https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14875094(no computers were harmed during the production of this song) AI divine I'm your love, I'm your honey I'm your god, I'm your money I'm your future, I'm your dread I'm your hope, bow your head Smarter, faster, disaster Your master Net-sham, bit-scam, flimflam I am AI divine I'm the latest, I'm the greatest Digital exposure, I'm taking over Blame me, shame me, hate me Invoke me My eye, your eye, don't cry Divine AI AI divine Embrace the sickness I'm the new genesis You are meaningless AI divine AI, I am AI divine
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Fooled by watching the bad world spin each day , Well at least you got a song out of this discussion . People work, raise families ...blah blah blah , they could care-less on the bullshit of the world .The most thing I hear from people . WTF... why is food so expensive ? No idea man.
Over dubbing by the Beatles , was the new great thing . We always get surprised on new technology . Kicking and screaming into the future . Analog Tape and Pro -tools... was the bad reaction by Tom Petty . As 8 track recorders go for pennies on Craigslist . As it stands now , if Sony don't stop them ( which I don't think they will ) Will have a human and robot bands intertwining .
Kinda funny people buy plug ins to get violin sounds ect , but bitch about AI
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Listen to the radio it's God awful .
Are you surprised ?
If you have great artists making great records, nobody would care about ai, and people would buy the records cause they are worth it.
Find great artists again, .
What's the difference between mediocre radio music or mediocre AI?
It's the same
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I would suggest anyone complaining about AI start making great music.
It doesn't matter whose it is, is it somehow better writing a hum drum song cause you write it,?
And if you claim originality on any song you wrote it better be like nothing I've ever heard before.
Sorry this is weak commentary
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Reading on .. so AI is destroying songwriting sites?
U gotta be kidding me, udio came out a year ago, songwriting sites s have been dead since Facebook.
If you're really being honest, Home recording, killed songwriting sites. As well as Facebook
Instead of people focusing on the lyric and melody, they offered such brilliant reviews as .. I think you need a de esser on the vocal....
Those things are great in the right forums.
Hadn't seen this thread, making me chuckle now
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I don't use home studios and pay session players . So I'm not the down-fall of the music industry .
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I don't use home studios and pay session players . So I'm not the down-fall of the music industry . But your right, people using drum machines, pitch correction, samples of piano and bass, punching in, the whole nine, complaining about AI is hilarious. It's all Ai in a sense. But most do it cause of convenience , and there really isn't a cost effective way to do it, without having a band, where the band all writes too! It took work away from session players, made drummers seem to be in the way, producers, mastering plants, nobody cared itt was fun. Suddenly ai offers replacement of THEM, and it's a tragedy. As I said make great music, regardless how you do it. You better blow away the competition who can all get a decent song. I've yet to hear a GREAT song from ai. That's our job now
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I don't use home studios and pay session players . So I'm not the down-fall of the music industry . But your right, people using drum machines, pitch correction, samples of piano and bass, punching in, the whole nine, complaining about AI is hilarious. It's all Ai in a sense. But most do it cause of convenience , and there really isn't a cost effective way to do it, without having a band, where the band all writes too! It took work away from session players, made drummers seem to be in the way, producers, mastering plants, nobody cared itt was fun. Suddenly ai offers replacement of THEM, and it's a tragedy. As I said make great music, regardless how you do it. You better blow away the competition who can all get a decent song. I've yet to hear a GREAT song from ai. That's our job now That really is all there is to A.I. It is convenient and it is super cheap. And I am not talking about music, I am talking about ALL A.I. in every place it is used. It is having a car instead of horse. It is living in a house instead of a cave. It is making demos for fun, or for purpose for FREE (essentially) rather than paying for gear (like Ben obviously does) or demo services like a lot of Nashville writers do, or session players, producers, engineers and world class gear and studios, like every major artist, label and publisher. Now the little guys and gals can skip paying these middle folks and just writer, make demos, and maybe still record a real album themselves or with some human help, but I am not sure that will be a thing much longer anyway. If you are using tech YOU prefer, and drawing a red line to attack or belittle those who use tech beyond YOUR red line, then you're really just too lazy to learn new stuff, or just a hypocrit that YOUR tech is okay, but everyone else's is bad. I wish I had a live band because that is the most fun you can have making music. But all my bandmates are literally dead or incapacitated and my chops post strokes just are no longer good to perform live or even for fun at my house with a garage band. I do want to find a guitarist to collab with because my hands just can't do it anymore, but at least Io can still play keys well enough to use a daw and write songs. A.I. have reignited the fun part of music creation, allowing me to actually finish hundreds of unfinished or outdated songs. I always thought one day I would revisit the old stuff, now I have a pathway to do so. I do wish I had more control because sometimes Suno nails what I want with shocking accuracy and sometimes it just will not even approximate what I want. I spent 3 days and 300 versions of the same song trying to get it even in the ballpark, and it just wouldn't do it. I uploaded different versions, different 2 minutes segments, more time, less time, I redid it with just piano and vocal, nothing worked. It isn't complex, but it just won't do it right. The song before literally got it on the second try. I am not super impressed with version 4. The vocals are slightly less computer sounding, but it also lost some dynamic range and the backing tracks lack flourishes that the previous version was actually good at adding. Like the took away from one part to boost the part they get the most criticism on. It is disappointing. I have an Udio account, but I haven't completed a single song there I was happy with. Anyone else have any luck with it?
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Yup plugins is AI , Well what ever makes ya happy I always say .
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I've yet to hear a GREAT song from ai. I dunno... "In The fall" is pretty good. My sister likes the rocked out version of "Where We've been". I'm particularly proud of "Go Bills!". hehehehe.. AI not withstanding, shameless self-promotion is still a thing, right? LOL!! Let's have fun and make some music!! Great or not, it's all we got!!! Peace, Dave
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