JPF Home Page Forums General Messages General Message Forum Interesting experience with A.I.

You know I actually spent 5 minutes on Suno, wrote a lyric, tricked the machine into following a strict format that produced the song I had in my head almost exactly. I can't post it as it is too similar to a song I actually plan to use for a project, but I am impressed. I am holding out for a version that allows more direct control of melody, (it is close to what I wanted, but without as much nuance as I plan to actually use). Had I thought it would produce a usable result, I would have used a lyric I didn't have plans for.

But wow, even the second of two versions had merit, though it sounded different than I wanted, it had some interesting approaches. I might have to play with it some more.

I have signed up for UDIO as well. I am going to make some videos about A.I. and music and thought I needed to actually play around with it to have a first hand perspective of where it is now. I have played with some stuff not yet on the market that is farther along, but the free public stuff that is out is pretty powerful already and exceeded my expectations. Just wait another year and what is coming will make pro-quality releases available to everyone, if they can work out all the legal issues. My fear is that the same old powers that already own and control the market will keep the good stuff underground for themselves. I think that would be the worst outcome of all, even worse than banning it. Rich and powerful people already have access to technology that will just make them richer and more powerful and if we aren't careful, we won't even get their table scraps.

It's alot of fun, and as a species, we've never seen this before. My guess is in time it will become like MTV is today. Will just be so tired and we'll be in search of something new and different again.

I think live music will make a comeback, I've said that many times. There will still be a market for real people playing real music

Guitar players won't go down easy.

I personally feel it doesn't matter what modality one uses. If all songs were equally good or bad, then yes music would be doomed.

But there's still that intangible... Why is this song good...it's a mystery sometimes

One thing I fear and it probably already exists, that the bigs are going to have access to the better mousetraps.

Where the masses have udio and suno, the "pros" will have AI that kicks it's ass, and something the average joe wouldn't be able to use, or need pros to help them

Right now it's so easy to use, and for entertainment purposes it's huge.

I'm not sure how many Rock stars udio or suno will create.

I too wait for more control, using my own voice and my own musical ideas.

Using ai as a band and/or producer, engineer.

Freeing up the artist to do what they do...create music

Here’s another interesting article on AI for musicians. “Why Musicians Should Embrace AI.” Washington Post today.

Yes, it won't replace artistry. It's all based on the past.

I think it will create a demand for more original music

Everything you've ever heard is based on other music, so there's that. And we've gotten away with it so seamlessly, that suddenly we see Ai as stealing.

Ed Sheeran .......

From what I've seen so far, the lyrics ai generates are weak. Disconnected, just random musings. I guess cause lyrics are a human language

Not awful but not really good. Kinda just there.

The music tends to be way ahead of it.

I know for a fact, first hand, that the rich and powerful have MUCH stronger tools they already use. I have been shown a LOT of stuff. I do a lot of consulting (which is why I am not here as much) but I also have to sign NDAs. But I can tell anyone that far more mind blowing stuff already exists. I got to see full 1080p HD in action... in 1986!!!! It looked like magic. I literally was still using a black and white TV! It took decades for that tech to come to the masses and I just got my first full 1080p TV! Now they have 8K TVs and much better than that.

Within 20 years, all entertainment will be created by consumers. Sure, there will be "offerings" from the smartest creators like there always have been, but when you are ready to consume entertainment, you will simply tell your device what you want to see... ANYTHING... involving ANYONE... doing ANYTHING you request, or simply following whatever prompts you care to give it. "I want to see a Space Opera starring John Wayne, Elvis, the cast of Gilligans Island and my entire family as random characters that show up during the movie. I want it to last 98 minutes, with an original soundtrack in the style of John Williams, but with songs sang by Aerosmith, Nirvana and Queen. You can go ON AND ON like that, and once you have run out of requests or guidelines, you will sit back and the film, completely original to only you, will start. Then you can save it, share it, edit it in any way you want and then do it again and again.

Music will be any mashup you want. It can base it on music you created but making all new stuff in your style and voice if you want. It will only be limited by YOUR imagination. And if you have no ideas, no problem, you can subscribe to anyone else and see whst they have come up with. It will all be free. Commerce will be separated from art entirely, But everyone will be a competent artist! Even better, if you WANT to do everything the old fashioned way using any type of approach or tools, that will also be possible. Creative people WILL make money by making content offered to those who want a better experience just like today. Anyone can make music, just not as well as others. This future will be the same. BUT.. the parasitic corporations will have less control of the content and though the use of tech will always have a "cost" your relationship will cut out the middle people.

This story details how the guy teamed up in 2018 with an AI music company executive to generate millions. 2018? Must’ve been in very early development.

More detail here in this USA Today article:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/09/05/michael-smith-ai-music-arrested/75086815007/

AI at its finest...big E for effort...keeping track of everything would drive me insane...lolol

Steve

So I just signed up for a paid SUNO and UDIO account so I could learn more about this stuff. I uploaded MY MUSIC, actually, some junk tracks I did nearly 40 years ago and just had a verse, chorus, with a hook line. I just fleshed it out lyrically, really as an experiment, and put it in the right format. There were a few hick ups but lots of interesting stuff. Then it started to actually use my stuff within the production and next thing I know it actually sounded like the 6 minute jam my friend and I had done 40 years ago. It took refining by me and I could only upload 60 second (I used 37 seconds eventually) which got the verse and chorus parts included plus a couple little guitar vamps by my friend. 8 generations later and it captured what I was going for all those years ago. I sent them super low fidelity old cassette practice tapes and it returned a nearly finished song. I say nearly as there are still a couple things I don't like, but had I played it with a band, they likely would have done things I didn't love as well. Better, they offer the stems so I can put in in my DAW and edit out the stuff I don't like and finesse it to what I want. I might even hire a human producer to get it the rest of the way there with live players. And this was a literal throwaway snippet of an old practice tape from the late 80s! Imagine if I had uploaded a high quality clip from my DAW?

It isn't perfect on melody (yet) but it is likely a few months away from being exactly what you want. It also does not allow me to pick specific sounds or instruments I want, but I have finessed vocal parts to do call and response and echos and stutters already and I just started experimenting. Best of all, it is $10 a month! I already got $100 of fun, in two hours out of it!

if your going to use AI for everything , You might as well throw your guitar in the ocean ...and get new hobby . by the look of this site deader than the (Moon) , It looks like everyone faded off to the sunset .

I think Brian uses AI as an assist for his own created works. I signed up for SUNO a couple of months ago and can’t figure it out, so hat’s off to those non- Luddites.

Jesus is not dead, very much alive as we will soon find out.

I don't believe in fairy tales in lifes reality , its a good angle for music , since most people believe in fairy tales , and nothing to do with AI and site. the AI has taken over boards . everyone would rather push a half penny button , than to actually get tracks done and sing it .

Ben,
It is what it is and it is not what it is not...but whatever it is will not be denied.

I think that there will be winners and losers. There are arguments all over song sites with the deniers seemingly in the majority.

I know WAPO and such are celebrating AI and telling us to embrace it, but for many that may be akin to Jewish people in Polish villages during the 1930s being told to embrace the Nazi tanks appearing on the horizon.

In my uneducated view of the game, which is from the rear of the parking lot, way beyond the left field bleachers...for now, the music business is buttz in seats, ball caps and tee shirts. I think that someone who can perform music will still have monetary worth, but the swelling deluge of songs is going to make songs too numerous to listen to, and too common place (and homogenized) to be interesting.

But the fact is...I don't know sh*t. All I have is an unteathered hunch.

My goal...Have as much fun with it as possible and see where it goes.

That or something similar looks right to me.

Who knows , I agree to many songs now, Now add 4 billion more pushing a button . Tuff to make a buck at it anyway , they want music for free . Ahh well .Right were going on radio with our songs and Trees fly .

Peace man

sorry Everett I didn't mean to offend you , I got a problem with a planet 90 billion years old and creation .
My buddy is Jewish , why don't you covert ? were are own God , Well I could try that for 60 days .

Hookers in India since 12 years old living in garbage dumps , So I got a problem with the man in the sky

So I have been uploading my actual music, lyrics and melody, and only using A.I. to do the vocals and it is really making life much easier. I would certainly hire real singers to sing on a final recording, but damn, these are sounding great as I develop, rewrite, rearrange and edit songs. I could never afford to do pay for the 49 revisions I did on a song I wrote for my wife today. I started with a music track I wrote 30 years ago but lyrics I wrote today and rewrote throughout the process. I still need a few more tweaks, but I like the vocal exchange, and that is one major downfall of A.I. sites right now, you won't ever get those same 2 voices again once you lock a version down. But I totally have enough to take to real singers for a finished version. Since I can't pay session singers to work on 49 recordings, which could never be done in a week, I did it all in one long all nighter.

Brian

AI or session players , it really doesn't matter , it's the end product results .Anything new is brought with fear , we get used to it, like everything invented . I think it's funny , we're going to have chips installed to handle credit cards keys , whatever , and people react its the 666 guy . 3 people can't get along in a room , but 9.8 billion are going think he's the cats meow .