JPF Home Page Forums Lyric and MP3 Feedback MP3 Feedback Forum Do you want a board for "Assisted" music?

We have a simple rule for adding new boards. If 10 people ASK for a board, and by doing so, they agree to read, post and use it, I am happy to add it. We will give it a trial run and if it consistently gets positive activity, we will make it official.

Reply below with what you want included (A.I., Band in the Box, DAWs, Samples, Software Plug-Ins, Synthesizers, whatever) and agree on the guidelines and we will give it a spin. Of course it will be interesting to see who will even know what is what, as there has been A.I. stuff that has fooled plenty of experts and it will never be worse than it is now.

Brian

It does not matter to me a AI song or not , It's pretty obvious if its done by robots or not , I just listen to whoever songs . No big deal , No one on here , that I know of is signed to Sony .Ha Ha assisted songs , getting wheeled in on a wheel chair by 2 robots who look like runway models. Of course Bernie Taupin the robot chimes in , nobody has talent except Bernie .

If it doesn't make any difference to you,why do you keep saying robot? It doesn't matter if you pay musicians to do everything for you, your doing the same thing, only you're relying on them to do your music proud, not yourself

Cause you can work hours on an ai song. Easily, I'm very stickler about hearing what I want to hear

The problem with a designated section is that it gives impression that there other songs are better

Not even close, if the song is better it's better

Getting caught up on how something was recorded as opposed to just sitting back and listening is a mistake.

In all likelihood, nobody will want to listen to any of it beyond this site, ai or not.

And this site gives the grand illusion that our music matters, it matters only because the few regs that are here anyway, pretend they like it.

But do what you want, shite is shite no matter where you post it

My vote is a new board for AI music that was made by simply entering some lyrics and prompts and watching the robots do what they do.


And leave MP3 for songs that feature the writer's voice or a vocalist working with the writer and at least one instrument being played, such as a G/V or a Piano/V.
And the chord structure and melody must have been written by the writer, not robots.
And that may then include VSTs, midi. midi controllers etc., that augment the GV.

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Well with ignorant comments from people who have no talent nor songs to share, you're going to find an empty
Forum .

And with these comments being allowed, I wont post in any ai section.

So you won't have a ai forum because nobody else uses it.

And if they wanna listen to uke demos, and ez piano playing music for people who do not even know what key they are in or chords they are playing

instead o"pressing a button", they are cutting and pasting music they didn't write, play or own.

No need for a forum I won't be in it

Flattery will get you nowhere Dom.
Brian asked for votes and I gave him mine.

But case in point,
You are a guy that never put up a finished song for years. Just circular arguments and diatribes.
With AI and the robots, you now deluge the site in "assisted" songs...followed by poofs and periods.

My vote is for you to have your own section to put ALL OF THAT. A showcase for you and your robot co-writers.
That should look like a win to you.

and ez piano assisted

You don't have songs to post, plain and simple

People will see where the activity is and then you will once again complain.

Be honest, the only reason you care is because you have nothing to share.

There should also be a rule preventing the same song from be posted over and over again

Dom

As usual, you are turning this thread into a personal slam with base insults.
Brian asked for a vote. I gave him one.
As for songs, I'm working on one now that should be Spotify-ready in a couple of weeks.

All of that is beside the point,
If Brian creates a section called "AI SHOWCASE," "ROBOT CO-WRITER" or whatever you may call it, the song submission count does not go down on the site.
It divides between two sections. (You dont ever go-away and stay-away)

I don't see the problem with that.
The benefit is that the deluge of songs coming into the site because AI is so easy, won't obscure more personal creations.

Oh really a personal slam?

Now spin out of that, that was your original comment to this

Let me guess... You don't wanna go down a rabbit hole...

Dom

Let's give Brian his thread back.
He asked for a vote and I gave him one.

then came "ignorant comments from people with no talent"

He has my vote. He has yours and others. It's Brian's decision to make.

Brian
I think we should give a new AI board a try. At this point in time, the issue seems to be AI and none of the other items you listed. So it would be a board for AI songs/lyrics only and they would not be permitted on other boards such as the Mp3 board or any of the lyric boards.
I have some thoughts on how traffic could increase using a new AI board...I’ll PM you on it

Steve

Again change courses. You shouldn't have wrote what you wrote you talk smack and run like a school kid .

Nobody will listen to your whines if this backfires

As a personal Request would it be possible to block Marty, Rob B Ben and Gavin from posting in my threads?

They add no value attacking everything I do even though they might be the worst song writers I've ever seen.

If Marty, Rob, Ben and Gavin did not post on your threads, I am not sure if anyone would?

How about this,
Let Brian create an AI ENGINE MUSIC section.
You keep your songs in there and I will not critique them.

Ps...I thought that you advocated for no-holds-barred critiques?

Yours are not , critiques, they are attacks with no intention of listening and enjoying.

And thing is everybody knows my songs are better than yours ,that I have talent and you don't.

And then you reveal yourself when you tell everybody else how good they are. They see that and know you are a liar.

So I'd rather deal with no comment and knowing they know it's really good,than battle with songwriting midgets

Well, golly..that's a bit dictatorial.
Why don't you start your own website, and do this exactly to your liking, inviting people of your own high caliber?

The worst song writer ? I think they have awards for that Bernie , Now after i say that's good Indian song , I tell ya no appreciation in this world .
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What would be the point of allowing you to comment on my music? Right.

So your not gonna keep shitting on my threads and then act innocent,like im the problem, and I'm sure by now your already messaging people asking them to vote your way.

Brian should monitor the PMS.

Collusion should not be allowed.

I'm a betting man , i think this will obscure the mp3 section more.

And I may put music in the mp3 section myself.

I don't need robots ...

Maybe all acoustic stuff

Hi Brian,
there is not an easy answer to this because AI is already so multi-facetted. I personally don’t know all of the AI solutions on the market but some of them (e.g. Udio, Sumo) write your lyrics and your music. All the so-called “songwriter” needs to do is press a button and robots do the rest. Then you have the lyricists who write creative lyrics and let the same AI tools generate suitable music. You can take that to the next creative level by using complex prompts and meta-tags to create chord progressions, complex backing vocals, etc. with these same AI tools. I’ve also worked with AI voice generators, which are kind of like your vocalist who sings your lyrics and vocal melody. I would compare these to a NI (Native Instruments) sound. All of these tools are AI-driven but totally different.

I support the idea of having a separate section for AI generated MP3s. Why? Because it takes around 3 minutes to generate a song with AI. If I wanted to, I could post at least 10 AI songs per day here. If 5 other people did the same that would be way over 50 songs per day. On the other hand, writing and producing the traditional way takes hours, if not even days. If it takes me 2-4 weeks to write and record a song, I’d like to see it in a forum for a while to allow everybody to notice that the song is there and give others the chance to give me feedback. Currently the traditional songs get lost in the flood of AI songs. If there were two sections, I would post in both of them. The question is, which songs go into which section. I would love to see songs where AI tools generate the music and/or lyrics in a separate section.

If you really want to get more people to interact here, you should get them to follow the existing guidelines (Post respectful and insightful comments. Don’t flame, hate, spam.). I know a number of people who are reluctant to post here because some people don’t follow these rules.

Alot of what you write here is sound

Except for two bone headed comments.

A lyricist like me, is also a melody writer, my lyrics are already in a place that can be sung, where the hook can thrive , ai feeds off of That.

To say all a lyricist had to do is type in his lyrics is wrong.

You said Carrol sent you a lyric that he couldn't get results with. Why? Because he's not a musician.

Your theory here is that because ai makes music from lyrics, that they are all equally good songs .

Not true at all, and if we were posting our songs on another site you'd fund out if what was created is considered good .

And there are No songs to get lost. Nobody posts them

And your talking about attacks and flaming and all that, all you have done to me the entire time.

Why do you and Marty claim innocence YOU are the ones doing this so knock it off

+1
I am not a crusader against AI. I see that as pointless and I see AI as inevitable in all areas of life. I plan to use it to create some songs and would post in the AI section of this site.

Like Rob, I don't want to see a deluge of 3 minute robot songs overrun the site to the point where no songs can garner any attention and feedback.

Dom,
For a few days, you voluntarily withdrew from the site.
During that time the exchanges were congenial and all of the flame wars and personal insults were completely gone.
You returned and immediately, here we are again.

Fact: i didn't comment on any song during that time, nor did I post .

I then posted ONE song and you all [naughty word removed] on it again

And you wonder why I don't want you in my threads?

The critique that I gave you was factual and stated in civil terms. (below)
If you can't take the heat.....

Dom,
Insult me one more time and let the thread return to the topic at hand.

Yes but Carol's stuff was great

Your either tone deaf, don't know music, or your a liar ..I haven't seen you been so negative to anyone but me.

Shall I write just another errand, and write it better?

Attaboy.
Now let other people vote on the matter at hand.

If the AI threads are moved , it would be up to me and Carrol to keep it going

If it got more interesting than mp3 which it will you will whine once again.

So I may just post acoustic stuff in mp3 and kick your ass there too

It is not up to me. Brian's site. He makes the call.
But as far as I'm concerned...no problem with that.

If you ever actually produce anything without the robots doing the majority of the actual song composing, put it in the appropriate section and enjoy whatever fantasies and delusions get you through the day.

Ohhhhhh it's up to Brian... Say Brian might read that and grant you your wishes...

Coward

Fdem,
you are off topic here, therefore I’ll keep my response as short as possible.


Yes, but in my opinion your hook can thrive more if you use the meta-tag [Hook] or [Catchy Hook]



I said Carroll couldn’t get results that he liked. I used different prompts and meta-tags than he did. Carroll is not a musician but he's the one who showed me how meta-tags work. We help each other in many ways. Now, I’m getting much better results from these AI song generators.



It’s not a theory. I have 5 songs with the exact same lyrics. They are all so good that I can’t say which one is the strongest. Several of my songwriter/musician friends can’t either.

But honestly, all of this has nothing to do with the Brian’s question. I’m for a separate section for AI generated MP3s and I explained why.

Even if they were 5 organic songs done on acoustic you could still like all 5 so much.

So ai has nothing to do with that.

But I've written hundreds of songs and always thought my latest was the best.

But my AI stuff is better than yours , let's take them to any other sure and find out what people think

No acoustic. One is a cool rock song, the other one is country, the third a pop song, no. 4 sounds like Justin Bieber and song no. 5 like Ed Sheeran. All sound totally different. All sound awesome.

Let's get back to the original topic, please.

So they couldn't be awesome any other way? Only ai?

Of course I have my own version. That one is cool too.

Bump

I have thought about this actually. My idea is to limit each A.I. posted to 1 post. So they can simply add to their post with new songs. All of them in one place. If we find more than 50 people are posting songs, I will add another A.I. board. (I WISH it would happen, but know that it won't). So maybe zero will post to it, or maybe we can have some fun. Remember the part of music that was simply for fun? If someone can amuse me using AI what do I care which tool they used? Without guidance, the AI can't produce a good song, it CAN produce good music to a point (i.e. better than band in a box). But it will be repetitive and the lyrics will be boring. Another reality is that nearly every tool will soon have AI as part of it. Photoshop, Premiere, Illustrator and soon all of the DAWS. Most DAWs already use it via plugins. If someone analyzes your EQ or Mix, that is AI. (Remember, there is ZERO intelligence happening. It is all programming created by, maintained by and enhanced by humans. AI is simply programming shortcuts and data management).

Thanks for your feedback. I am very curious about what people create using AI. If he hadn't deleted them, I would have checked out some that were posted previously, but they were gone before I noticed them.

Brian

PS: We are unlikely to get 10 requests, but I really like the idea of people maintaining and reusing 1 post. I think that would make the Lyric and MP3 pages better to be honest, but I doubt that would be popular.

Did you PM me? I haven't seen anything.

Brian

I am in favor of a seperate AI assisted song creation board. I think it would be popular. I'd like to see more lyric writers, at all levels of lyriccrafting, come around and scan there lyrics with AI. It'd be a blast!
Bill

It's not scanning, the only good thing for me is to see how bad others come out, then they might get it

I won't be participating the vote is obviously rigged

So there will be no songs in mp3 and maybe Carrol. In Ai

I sent you an email

Steve

H Brian,
thanks for responding. I'm fine with whatever solution you come up with. I think there are only a few people who post both traditional and AI-generated songs here.

If you want to hear a cool, catchy AI song you can give my song Raining In My Heart a listen. I posted it in the MP3 section.

Take care - Robert

Brian:

I'm not sure I deserve a vote here. On the AI issue . . . personally, I don't care how folks make music. If it sounds good, it is good! I'm a marginal musician . . . play a fair guitar, and sing well enough . . . but I can't put together the songs I do without some assistance . . . and for me currently that's BIAB.

For that reason, I'm strongly against a separate forum for AI . . . or anything else. Music is music, however created (though one should not take credit for what they have not penned). And I think over time, as one has more influence over how to use AI, the line between what is created and what is generated will blur. That will make it more difficult to determine what song should be put in what forum. I don't think you should get into that business.

Lol... I'm glad you edited that, Deej.


However, in all fairness, I'd like to ask you a polite question about your edit... moderation.

Can you define what fair moderation should be and how it should be enforced?

All good points and makes bullshite about those who argue that somehow using biab, ez keys, acid loops, or any if the hundreds of other stuff one can use, is somehow superior..
I plan on singing my own tunes I see nothing wrong with using ai as a rough demo.

Nobody is asking anyone to buy it.

But in general, not always, people who use biab are not very good at making music.

But don't kid yourself,this is not about ai or biab, this is about one person, who believes the ai songs clog his, he wants to be able to post his song, and have it stay there for weeks and months.

Like how it was about two months ago.

He somehow feels that one song is enough at a time.

But fur viewership and activity that's bad.

It's already proven here, you yourself are back

Dom,
You've won. If this site is going to allow you to stay, I'm not going to participate...other than to put up an occasional finished song, maybe.
So try to act like a big boy and leave me out of your diatribes, arguments, insults, sarcasms and references.

If I do post a song now and then, just ignore it.

Martin Lide

Youve been insulting every thing i posted, frankly, it wasnt me who verbally said they didnt want it. I personally dont care.

Nobody knows why you care.

This is a very interesting and entertaining video with worthwhile content. Enjoy and have a good weekend.

Martin Lide