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I'm a big fan of Fountains of Wayne,great new Jersey pop rock band. Clever lyrics, great melodies.

This seems to me how they woulda done this, and quirky enough they might have..


Indian Giver Summer

October in New York
unseasonably hot
congregation gathers
at a wedding spot

The bride was a vision
all dressed in white
groom was tall and handsome
things were goin right

Till the brides crazy father
spoke up during vows
the wedding party gasped
with questions of how...

It was an Indian Giver Summer
man takes his daughter back
an Indian Giver Summer
Groom looks like a hack
Yeah, the poor kid couldn't have looked any dumber
sure he'll never forget that Indian Giver Summer

November in New Jersey
Lawyer reading a will
what would be handed
down to Joey and Jill?

"To Joesph my favorite
I'm leaving my trust
The mansion on the river
my million dollar bust"

Well, Jill nearly fainted
then started to shout
"He promised me half
what's this all about?"

It was an Indian Giver Summer
man leaves his daughter zip
an Indian Giver Summer
she had a faulty lip
shouldn't have told Mom about the woman in his hummer
guess she'll never forget that Indian Giver Summer

There's somethin about a few extra months of sun
That makes good people come undone

It was an Indian Giver Summer
Yeah, I remember it too
that Indian Giver Summer
I found and lost you
you can say it's fluke or life is just a bummer
but I never will forget that Indian Giver Summer

No, I never will forget that Indian Giver Summer

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Took out intro couldn't find any I liked

https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14811397

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sounds good , Indian Giver in 24 politics ? Perhaps
Got admit , them damn robots are good. Unless your promoting song to the bad world on saying Indian giver , It really does not matter .
that reminds me of a story... Tim broke out as a artist with this , all press is good press , he got flak on it . But that was along time ago , Saying Indian giver in 2024 , you would be pelted by people , But your never going to promote it , so all just conjecture .


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Originally Posted by bennash
sounds good , Indian Giver in 24 politics ? Perhaps
Got admit , them damn robots are good

If somebody wants to get offended they will, if millions get offended I'll have a viral hit

I came up with title a and wanted to see if i could make song out if it.

There is no reason to keep saying robots

Don't comment at all if your gonna say that ok.?

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Fdem,
what role did you play in this song? I assume you used Udio or Suno. Are these your chords? With meta-tags both AI tools support chord progression, for example:
Chord progression: [Am] [F] [G] [Em]

Alternatively, your own chords can be used like this:
(Am) The night is dark and cold, (F) whispers in the air,
(C) Shadows dance around, (G) in this place of despair.

Did you use the vowel-vowel-vowel technique for creating longer, melodious words in the chorus, like this:
goo-o-o-odbye

Did you apply parentheses anywhere to add a second or third vocal layer automatically:
E la cha-cha-cha (cha)

Did you use any structural tags? For example:
[Intro] Slow guitar strumming
[Verse] Whispered lyrics here
[Chorus] Powerful vocal rise
[Outro] Fading piano melody

Did you use any instrumental or vocal tags, like these:
[Verse] Lost in the rhythm
[Guitar solo] A mesmerizing guitar piece
[Chorus] [Female Vocal] Echoing the main theme

These AI tools are pretty powerful and allow you to be extremely creative. How creative were you in this song or did a robot do everything for you? I'm just asking questions because you never share with us how you create your songs.

Your intro doesn’t sound too hot, but if you like it ... great.

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My role is absolute. From title to full story and full lyric c, to prompting the style and specific feel i was looking for

To listening to as many takes I had to to get what I wanted at least melodically.

And recognizing what is good, to finally downloading it to make it available.

My role is very substantial.

And you know this.

For something that could have not be bettered by doing it myself , singing it myself and adding my own riffs which soon I can

This is pretty damn good, and haven't heard better least not here

Ps when you write wwelk structured lyrics,but knows what your verse and chorus is.

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I really like the "prechorus" musical interlude. I assume you used AI. You don't say anywhere that is so. We all here know...but some visitor might not.

I really like your writing. I assume you are the writer. When did you write It?

You have a problem (IMO) with the slang you use, though: I had to look up the term, came across this article:

https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/indian-giver-can-we-give-it-back


Just my thoughts.
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Ok, I understand. You wrote the lyric and pressed a button a couple of times, downloaded it and made it available. Yes, very substantial. You forgot to mention the creative robots. They wrote the music, created the chord progressions, the melody, they sang vocals, backing vocals, made the arrangement, played the instruments, mixed everything ... you say that's not substantial. I don't get it, but never mind.
Btw, I never said this song wasn't good.

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2014

https://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbth.../re-indian-giver-summer.html#Post1038923

It's just a play on words combining Indian Giver and Indian summer

Total creative experient

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Yes, the lyrics are creative. But you said your role was very substantial. You wrote the lyrics, pressed a button, downloaded a file and made it available. Very substantial? You were not involved in this musically even though you could have been.

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Originally Posted by Rob B.
Yes, the lyrics are creative. But you said your role was very substantial. You wrote the lyrics, pressed a button, downloaded a file and made it available. Very substantial?

Oh your back to that are you?

Why do my songs come out better than yours, every time?

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Originally Posted by Bill Draper
I really like the "prechorus" musical interlude. I assume you used AI. You don't say anywhere that is so. We all here know...but some visitor might not.

I really like your writing. I assume you are the writer. When did you write It?

You have a problem (IMO) with the slang you use, though: I had to look up the term, came across this article:

https://www.ictinc.ca/blog/indian-giver-can-we-give-it-back


Just my thoughts.
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2014

https://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbth.../re-indian-giver-summer.html#Post1038923

It's just a play on words combining Indian Giver and Indian summer

Total creative experient

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Why do my songs come out better than yours, every time?

This time I'm not going to switch topics. I'm discussing your song here.

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2014

https://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbth.../re-indian-giver-summer.html#Post1038923

It's just a play on words combining Indian Giver and Indian summer

Total creative experient[/quote]

Chris Columbus thought he landed in West Indies, forefathers took years to correct him. just saying.
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Originally Posted by Bill Draper
2014

https://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbth.../re-indian-giver-summer.html#Post1038923

It's just a play on words combining Indian Giver and Indian summer

Total creative experient

Chris Columbus thought he landed in West Indies, forefathers took years to correct him. just saying.
Bill[/quote]

Not sure what that neans

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No biggie Fd. It just means your creative effort will be defeated quickly, by virtue of its historical ignorance.
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Also, at this moment, two of the BEST users of the MP forum are you and Rob.
Rob is giving voice to Carroll....excellent.

You, on the other hand, are giving voice to yourself...also excellent!

But don't be like "two spent swimmers that doth choke their art" as Shakespeare would say.

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I am not sure that I see the point of the song.

I get the combination of phrases, though I doubt the majority of people would.

The 1st vignette in the song seems to be about a wedding that did not go well. Dad wrecked it.
The 2nd vignette is about a woman left out of her father's will
Then the singer mentions the person that they were singing the song to.. found and lost ...at the end of the song.

I guess that the song is about bad things that can happen over a long hot summer, but these vignettes about "indian givers" don't have any real glue that compellingly holds them together. I'm left wondering what the binding common denominators are and "takeaway" is.

Stated another way...what is the point of the song?

As for the AI generated music in this song (robots), it seems overly choppy and rushed. Feels synthetic and not human to me.



Ah, this explains the song.
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I came up with title a and wanted to see if i could make song out if it.

Title may have be a little obscure and contrived to spawn a song.

Food for thought.

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"Indian giver" is a pejorative expression
The phrase is used to describe a negative act or shady business dealings. It is considered disrespectful, and its use is offensive to many Indigenous people


Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald
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The song is obviously tongue n cheek, combining two phrases that you wouldn't ever say, but work in a song.

Everybody has a general knowledge of what buth terms mean, and understand them, enough to get the song.

Your writing to general understandings not to historical facts,because your singing to people not to books.

Now, if you're offended by the phrase, ok, I can't make you not be. Obviously not intended

Understood it's derogatory, but every rap song you heard says nigga and ho, and your talking offensive?

As far as historically ignorant.

I'd say it's pretty clear that Columbus did NOT discover America.

Didn't t stop Bruce from writing he did

Well now Columbus he discovered America even though he hadn't planned on it
He got lost and woke up one morning when he's about to land on it
He wouldn't of got out of Italy, man that's for sure,
Without Queen Isabella standing on the shore
Shouting "Stand on it, go ahead man, stand on it"

Great song and performance you're welcome


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
The song is obviously tongue n cheek, combining two phrases that you wouldn't ever say, but work in a song.

I don't think so.
It's the fact that the mood and mode of the song are hard to place, that makes the song seem to lack any point.

Tongue & Cheek connotes humor. Nothing humorous presented.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
The song is obviously tongue n cheek, combining two phrases that you wouldn't ever say, but work in a song.

I don't think so.
It's the fact that the mood and mode of the song are hard to place, that makes the song seem to lack any point.

Tongue & Cheek connotes humor. Nothing humorous presented.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
The song is obviously tongue n cheek, combining two phrases that you wouldn't ever say, but work in a song.

I don't think so.
It's the fact that the mood and mode of the song are hard to place, that makes the song seem to lack any point.

Tongue & Cheek connotes humor. Nothing humorous presented.
You're opinion and i thank you

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Nobody's worried about the bikers feelings , or any of that, fountains of Wayne are masters serious/verses comical.



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