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I listened start to finish.

My personal impressions , for whatever they are worth;

Nickelback based sound
Niche message
Title is real good.
Lyrics are thoughtful and well written.

Musical-lyrical marriage:
very very good. The music sells the message well. In a manner that seems very straightforward and genuine and sincere. I bought all-in to the singer's pain,uncertainty and regret. (even though 3rd person) The bridge worked well.
Imho...very good production.

A bit scary in that this song is stream-service ready and good...and all produced by a single thoughtful lyricist and a machine.


Martin

"The thunder reminds him of the big guns, the way they shook the ground"
(powerfully evocative imagery and the drums are thunderous in the recording)

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Carroll,
this is probably the best AI generated song I've ever heard. You're getting good with the software you're using. This is awesome.

All the best
Robert

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Outstanding lyrics , Cool tracks , almost sounds real man , Great emotion in this. I'm almost half tempted to ask you to track this myself using real session players , I wonder how that works tripping up red flags on copywrites , if any, Interesting idea track it, I sing it Use AI vid. See who blows up on promotion. Let me know if your interested Carrol

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I don't mind but I don't know what's in the fine print.


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nashvillecalif@gmail.com , Send the lyrics and track . No fine print . Were not Elton John and Burnie Taupin . Just a experiment turning a AI song into a real song, We can do a contract 50 50 split , If Sony from Nashville calls me. I got a lot going on , But i could study it , see if its possible. I'm not going to steal your song , I got 4 trillion I can do

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Very impressive what Udio did with your excellent lyric. I'm a bit less convinced of the marriage of words and music. It seemed to me that the lyric called for a more thoughtful, less bombastic approach. I'd be interested to know if this was how you thought of it while writing it. Anyway, it's scarily good.

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
It seemed to me that the lyric called for a more thoughtful, less bombastic approach.

Bombastic
"marked by or given to speech or writing that is given exaggerated importance by artificial or empty means"

Can you elaborate on your application of bombastic to the music?
Can you be more exact regarding how you would have it sound?

Such as?

inquiring minds

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
It seemed to me that the lyric called for a more thoughtful, less bombastic approach.

Bombastic
"marked by or given to speech or writing that is given exaggerated importance by artificial or empty means"

Can you elaborate on your application of bombastic to the music?
Can you be more exact regarding how you would have it sound?

Such as?

inquiring minds

He's saying it doesn't fit. And he's right

Could you be more exact when you said the lyrics were well written? They aren't written anywhere

I can't tell at all if the lyric is good cause I can't really hear rhem

I'd have to listen ten times to make them out.

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Whatever for
Verse
There’s a church with a cross on top of the hill.
It’s a symbol for all to see.
A reminder to him of what he’s become.
A part of who he used to be.
There’s a girl he promised his undying love
Still waiting for him to come home.
She’s wondering that if or when he comes back
Will he be the man she’s known.
[Chorus]
The thunder reminds him of the big guns.
The way they shook the ground.
The lighting, the flashing of bursting bombs
Men dying all around.
He answered the call he went off to war.
She said, whatever for.
He survived a year and a half in hell.
My god whatever for.
[Verse]
There’s a girl with a cross and she’s kneeling down.
She’s saying a prayer for her man.
She’s wondering about the letters he wrote.
How he copes with the blood on his hands.
There’s a field with a cross on the top of the hill
For a brother he lost in war.
He lost a friend, his lover, perhaps his soul
And he ponders whatever for.
[Chorus]
The thunder reminds him of the big guns.
The way they shook the ground.
The lighting, the flashing of bursting bombs
Men dying all around.
He answered the call he went off to war.
She said, whatever for.
He survived a year and a half in hell.
My god whatever for.
[Bridge]
A purple heart, a silver star.
A hero’s home from war.
He doesn’t talk about it
My God, whatever for.
[Verse]
There’s a church with a cross on top of the hill.
It’s a symbol for all to see.
A reminder to him of what he’s become.
A part of who he used to be.
There’s a girl he promised his undying love
Still waiting for him to come home.
She’s wondering that if or when he comes back
Will he be the man she’s known.
[Chorus]
The thunder reminds him of the big guns.
The way they shook the ground.
The lighting, the flashing of bursting bombs
Men dying all around.
He answered the call he went off to war.
She said, whatever for.
He survived a year and a half in hell.
He asks himself what for.


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Dom

Songs are meant to be listened to. Not read off a page. I have quit posting lyrics in the mp3 section also.
Songs need to be grasped in a listen or two or there is something wrong with the song.
There is nothing wrong with this song.

If you can't get a handle on repetitive lyrics in a couple of verses and a chorus, then that is an issue with your comprehension, not this song.
These lyrics are nicely written and manicured.
I wish that I had written them.

I'm not going to enter into an inane back-and-forth and round-and-round with you on something as simple, obvious and inarguably factual as what I just stated.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Dom

Songs are meant to be listened to. Not read off a page. I have quit posting lyrics in the mp3 section also.
Songs need to be grasped in a listen or two or there is something wrong with the song.
There is nothing wrong with this song.

If you can't get a handle on repetitive lyrics in a couple of verses and a chorus, then that is an issue with your comprehension, not this song.
These lyrics are nicely written and manicured.
I wish that I had written them.

I'm not going to enter into an inane back-and-forth and round-and-round with you on something as simple, obvious and inarguably factual as what I just stated.
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But it's ok for you to challenge Gavin's statement?

The lyrics are undeterminable listening

It sounded vaguely like a desperate lovers Lyric, not a war heros lament

The verse says nothing other than vague references

There’s a church with a cross on top of the hill.
It’s a symbol for all to see.
A reminder to him of what he’s become.
A part of who he used to be.
There’s a girl he promised his undying love
Still waiting for him to come home.
She’s wondering that if or when he comes back
Will he be the man she’s known.

I heard none of that and neither did you .

Songs are meant to be heard, but when you can't hear the lyrics how are you judging it well written?

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
I heard none of that and neither did you .

Songs are meant to be heard, but when you can't hear the lyrics how are you judging it well written?

Not true.
I have some hearing loss at higher frequences but the mids and the lows seem to be there mostly.
I listened to the song through some old Boze computer speakers that sit on my desk.

Every word is discernible.
Your issues are either with your speakers or your hearing.
If you truly cannot hear the lyrics, you might want to get your hearing tested.

As for vagueness...nothing about the lyrics struck me as vague.
The line that I quoted was so evocative that it caused me to imagine the scene and the ground shaking.

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Lol right. I posted song after song with this 75% really good. But I'm the deaf one.

Hey there's plenty of songs where the lyrics are obscured and nobody cares about alit lyrics.

But when doing this with ai, your lyrics are your only contribution.

there's a reason your zeroing in on this.

Glad you enjoying all my tunes , I'm considering putting them in YouTube near udios site, get objective listeners

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Dom

You are starting to scatter into pointless arguments. Not doing that with you.

Your initial point was predicated on the lyrics being indiscernible.
They are not.

I did not have to have to strain to hear them or turn the volume up.
If you truly are not able to make them out, and you are listening through a reasonable quality speaker, you may have some hearing loss.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
It seemed to me that the lyric called for a more thoughtful, less bombastic approach.

Bombastic
"marked by or given to speech or writing that is given exaggerated importance by artificial or empty means"

Can you elaborate on your application of bombastic to the music?
Can you be more exact regarding how you would have it sound?

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inquiring minds
Actually, "bombastic" is not really a great choice of word for what I was trying to say, although plenty of people seem to use it the way I did (technically wrongly). I mean loud, forceful, a kind of hard rocking style.

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This would be a great medium for a war topic, a powerful one

But the lyric is laid d back and just plainly stated. In so the hard rock music seems off.

For Carrol, having this thing for a fast collab is invaluable .

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Actually, "bombastic" is not really a great choice of word for what I was trying to say, although plenty of people seem to use it the way I did (technically wrongly). I mean loud, forceful, a kind of hard rocking style.

Fair enough. But words mean what they mean. (Unless you are Alexander Haig, George W Bush or Sheila Jackson Lee)

Lately "bombastic" has seemingly become popularized by the TDS cult and industry, and applied over and over to Donald.
Maybe it spilled over to here from there?
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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Actually, "bombastic" is not really a great choice of word for what I was trying to say, although plenty of people seem to use it the way I did (technically wrongly). I mean loud, forceful, a kind of hard rocking style.

Fair enough. But words mean what they mean. (Unless you are Alexander Haig, George W Bush or Sheila Jackson Lee)

Lately "bombastic" has seemingly become popularized by the TDS cult and industry, and applied over and over to Donald.
Maybe it spilled over to here from there?
wink
I haven't heard it used much about him, although it would certainly be an accurate use, unlike mine. I think the fact that "bomb" is part of the word tends to lead to its misuse, that and the fact that bombast is often accompanied by loud, aggressive delivery. Anyway, I think I've made clear what I really mean now, so further etymological discussion is probably an unhelpful diversion from the topic of Carroll's song. smile

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Originally Posted by Gavin Sinclair
Anyway, I think I've made clear what I really mean now, so further etymological discussion is probably an unhelpful diversion from the topic of Carroll's song. smile

I agree.

Please keep in mind that factually inaccurate statements about songs are also unhelpful diversions.
In some cases, possibly...bombastically so. wink

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Carroll,

I think it's an excellent lyric and the Udio(?) software did a fantastic job of putting them to music. Personally, I had no issues hearing and understanding the lyrics, but everyone's listening experience is different. I get Gavin's comment, but I prefer the bigger sound here and the Nickelback-like production fits it well for me. Also, keep in mind given the length of the lyric, a slower tempo would make this a pretty long song . . . as it stands, the production keeps the ear's interest.

The only nit here is the sudden stop and start of the tune . . . but I guess that's a software issue thing.

You should get a lot of use of this program, Carroll. It will be good to hear a lot more of your stuff put to it.

My best to you,

Deej

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Carroll,
this is a great example of what Udio can do for you. It can open doors that were previously closed. It generated music for your lyrics and with the music your song got recognized by someone who can record music for your song. Congratulations! Being a lyricist that is what you are always looking for. This song does not show up in Shazam. Chances are good that the song doesn’t exist yet.
I understand the lyrics even without you posting them. I personally think they are well-written. I don’t think lyrics have that much of an impact on whether a song is successful or not. Of course, they are important but where I grew up, many number one songs were in a foreign language. No one understood what the songs were about. They were successful anyway.

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Exceptional lyric....I don't pay much attention to AI but this is pretty good...still has some distance to before it settles into mainstream listening....at the speed of changing technology, that will probably be next week

Steve


Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.”...Steven McDonald

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