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Gavin was talking pitching songs .
So Brent Baxter had a sit down with Neal Mccoy
So will see if he takes the song
I think you need sit downs with pros, on any song to do anything .
Not HI with a email.

I can see this getting cut, for sure. IMHO, it's your most paired down, tightest write, not a wasted line, and wonderfully descriptive.

My only concern was if the word "blue" needed to come in there, after "red, white" to get the point across. Hopefully not. "Beau" in "beautiful" sounds close enough to "blue."

Great performance. Video is nice as well.

Bluetiful song!

I forgot now . It was written a year ago .
Brent sent me a email , He pitched it . He's a had a few Major cuts over the years .
I think Neal had a come back on radio about 3 years ago . some waving the flag song.
Brents good on short snappy lines. But if you study hits , some are wordy. Some Morgan Wallen song , it goes on forever , lyrically . I think its called " Last Night "

Thanks Mike .

"Red white and beautiful you" is a great hook!
I just wish the lyric was about "American girls" instead of just a girl... But hey, it's easy to be a critic

Good one Ben!

Is that an AI vocal?

Been awhile since we wrote this . Some guy talking to his girl Tony . Instead of in general ... of all girls .
Could have went either way . (His) girl _ Them girls . No Tony , That's Troy Johnson on vox. If I write with Brent for something pitchable , I have Troy do them. My voice won't sell it Tony . They want all of them, in a pretty package .

I agree, great hook! Great production too. Not my fave of yours just because I'm not the target audience and I love some of your other songs more LOL, but I think it has a lot of potential. Fingers crossed for you.

Its a typical Nashville song . When I write, when I sing , I don't go there Gavin.
I only posted this song Gavin, since you brought up pitching songs. Brent has a few connections , and pitches ours once in awhile .
I just sing mine , do some promotion for laughs .

Yes, it is a typical Nashville song, which is not my cup of tea, but, as I said, I'm not the target audience and that doesn't mean I can't recognize that it's really good. Hope those connections work out for you!

To be clear to anyone else reading this, when I mentioned pitching on a different thread, it was to say that I didn't have many or any songs that could ever be pitched LOL.

So on the demo aspect . They want young singers , That's how it works guys . I don't like it , but the way it is . I should clarify . That's if your in, I'm going to pitch a song .
As a artist , do what you want .

"Red white and beautiful you" screams patriotism, Ben.
I think it would draw more attention if "ALL" American women could relate to it... Just sayin'

I'm not redoing it Tony , Apparently Neal Mc'coy has it. So will see Tony , I'm not holding my breathe .
Women are going to relate , Like the singer is singing to them . Waving the flag and all that.

Tony has a really good idea there....for a different song

The flag is waved alot in Nashville. it be $$$ to redo song , Its not worth it to me.
I haven't listened in a few months. It has the post chorus's going on .
I'm not trying to be sarcastic. But most Nashville songs , comes down to, who can twist a cliche better then the next guy.
So in conclusion , its a contrived song . Its not my life . But it might go well with "All American Nashville". Yes Tony it screams "patriotism"
Writing with hit writers , has a 2 fold effect . 1/ By some miracle one might hit with someone in Nashville. 2/ The MOST important . You finally start to figure it out , on song-writing .
"Crows " is my life , Not this song.

Amazing how pro polish makes a so g take a step up.

And a good well recorded vocal .

Good song, only part that through me was the couple of bars after, the chorus seemed to have ended, the oh ohh part, outro if you will.

Not crazy about that, seemed to resolve better before that actually.

But this is the kind of demo you need to compete.

Good luck!

The 0000's ? Yeah who knows how Troy did the song . I'm not holding my breathe . I've had a few emails before " Were pitching your Song "
I'll tell what Brent tells me . "Its a highly competitive- {b}usiness ". Tony women are going to relate to this . The singer is singing to soccer moms driving to work at 9am with 2 kids in that car. That's if, it ever hit radio. The last time she felt Zen and Peaceful , is when she was 9 years old . I'm not sure when we learn something new , like me and hit writers . We get on soap boxes , and preach . I would rather listen to James , and his base line , then this song
Thanks man

FD makes a good point about the production quality lifting a song. I recently joined something called SubmitHub. Basically, you buy credits that allow you to submit a release to Spotify playlist curators, bloggers, etc. I don't want to get into arguments about the business model - that's a different discussion. You can also earn credits by listening to others' songs and giving feedback. I have sat through a multitude of beautifully produced, in many cases I'd say overproduced, songs with no melody to speak of and lyrics that are lazy and uninspired, if you can even hear them behind all the vocal effects. Many of these are labeled as "folk." It seems that production is the only value that matters, at least to the musicians themselves. This comes through in the comments they make on my songs, which are mostly a bit amateurish in comparison, but do have a tune and lyrics. This is considered "old fashioned" lol. I suspect that if they stepped out of their bubble, They'd find that melody and lyrics do still matter to the average listener, especially melody. I did discover one artist, a 19 year old girl from England, who had it all - strong melody, interesting lyric, a hook that Couch would give anything to have written and a production that made it shine. Worth sitting through the other 99 for that.

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That's likely because musicians on the internet think they have everything under their power, and that they afe making records.

It's not true on the production side, nor is it true on the sing side.

The mistake they/we make is thinking listeners of music know anything except the joy of whatever emotion they feel when listening.

Lyrics matter, cause if your telling a story, you dont have a story without the lyrics, ...

They also matter for sound of words, phonetics ,

It's like watching a TV show and saying the script dont, natter, are you watching a silent film?

The lyrical hooks matter most .

This is what I have been arguing about the whole time

Production matters, but the better the thing youre producing the better resujt

Not quite what you were arguing LOL, but let's not get into that. I think your TV analogy is spot on - "It's like watching a TV show and saying the script dont, matter" - although I'd say the melody is even more important, or, if you're the Rolling Stones, and pretty much only if you're the Rolling Stones, a killer riff. A really good production is vital, but if you don't start with something worthwhile, it's like getting a Michelin starred chef to prepare a turd. It'll probably look better than your mom's apple pie but I know which one will have you coming back for seconds.

At end of the day what matters is the listener feels something. Can u do it without lyrics, yes Beethoven dud a great job if it .

But since popular music joined forces with folk, lyrics matter

Sometimes one line of a song hits you, fior. whatever reason.

But I would not want internet musicians rating my music

The problem is there's not outlets to be heard by regular people, most often they hear songs because it was jammed down their throat.

But still that's what matters, well two things, that you are happy with it, and non involved listeners lije it .

And they will respond to better sounding songs, but that doesn't mean they like it more

I tried them submit to Spoitfy lists for 100 bucks or whatever it was . I really don't wanna hear opinions of curators.
Here's the deal on them , at least what I saw . Place my song on old school country . Then they send them to pop country and their opinions.
So no more of that .

FD, most of what I heard was not "Internet musicians." It wasn't like here. These were people who had invested quite a lot of money in their recordings. They were in many case impeccable, radio ready and these folks were serious about their careers. I guess what it shows is that access to technology has led many with no musical instinct to think they have a great song, when all they have is a great sound. The average listener outside the bubble would take a great song with an OK production (not a crap production, mind you) over a nothing song beautifully produced any day. The secret, I guess, is to have both. Here's the kid I was talking about. She's put her money into producing the song rather than the homemade video LOL.

People usually hear music when they are fed it, like on radio, in malls, stores , mostly in their cars.

The listen to Spotify fir stuff they already know

That's the dilemna

Or a million Tic Tok Vids

She probably does well Gavin.... Millennials and that pop sound. Sounds like in the ball park , what most are doing . Some are real out there on productions . Very good stuff.

That's a valid observation, and kind of ironic. People have such easier access to so much more, and yet (it seems to me) it's still only the kids and maybe archivists who go down rabbit hole niches of musical discovery. It seems record stores were more conducive to that.

When I was a kid, searching underground artists was a real thing, and you really had to work at it. I remember kids wearing Ramones shirts, and I'd be like who are they

Today with all the outlets supposedly available, who are the successful ones? Those on big radio.

And nobody know they are supposed to look, it's not their job .

So in reality the music biz is same as it always was, top echelon and everybody ekse

Few music stores I see , not many Mike.