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No, actually... I didn't vote. I felt that my only options were a Clinton Nazi, and just another arrogant billionaire trying to buy the office.
Trump has proven himself to me since then.
Many elections have been hotly contested... but this is the first time the Dems have tried to criminalize the process. Which, in my opinion, is just more evidence of corruption.
Fdem, Fox is banned where I live. Too much propaganda.
Hmmmm... Who in Germany gets to define "propaganda"?
Propaganda is a very sensitive subject in Germany, as you can imagine. The Germans have had their share of propaganda and know where that can lead to. They don't want that to ever happen again.
Fdem, Fox is banned where I live. Too much propaganda.
Hmmmm... Who in Germany gets to define "propaganda"?
Propaganda is a very sensitive subject in Germany, as you can imagine. The Germans have had their share of propaganda and know where that can lead to. They don't want that to ever happen again.
Dom you argue the court of public opinion while Rob argues a court of law
And the truth will be very clear to see as evidence is presented on live TV in front of the world. There they cannot lie. It is why all those election challenges in 2020 lost
Trump seems to think his first amendment right to lie also covers actions steming from such protected speech....as evidenced by the one and only lucent thing Trump said tonight in Atlanta was that he could question an election he thought stolen...the rest was the usual attack the prosection, tie them to misdeeds of their own and calling his indictment election interference, say others did as he had and were not charged and,and I did nothing wrong and its a disgrace
Meanwhile, Jim Jordan wants to see Fanni Willis' evidence against the co conspirators as self important head of house judiciary committee. Seems he did not learn from Braggs' invitation to come overstep his bounds in New York
In another part of The Nuthouse MJT says loudly and wildly that she wants to be DJT's running mate among her accolades and praises and unswerving support but stresses that in the meantime she is focused on serving her constituents.
The debate was simply speaking to the base, with Christie the only one out of bounds. Republicans are trapped in a story they served up to their base and cannot swerve. If Trump gets on the ticket, there is already money and procedure to challenge him as being eligible to be on the ballot under 14.3 and big donors are having their say with money. My take is one of those speaking to the base may be the one moving forward and Trump will be be gone
Lots of state primaries to come and important courts will have their say.
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
And the truth will be very clear to see as evidence is presented on live TV in front of the world. There they cannot lie. It is why all those election challenges in 2020 lost
Dom you argue the court of public opinion while Rob argues a court of law
And the truth will be very clear to see as evidence is presented on live TV in front of the world. There they cannot lie. It is why all those election challenges in 2020 lost
Trump seems to think his first amendment right to lie also covers actions steming from such protected speech....as evidenced by the one and only lucent thing Trump said tonight in Atlanta was that he could question an election he thought stolen...the rest was the usual attack the prosection, tie them to misdeeds of their own and calling his indictment election interference, say others did as he had and were not charged and,and I did nothing wrong and its a disgrace
Meanwhile, Jim Jordan wants to see Fanni Willis' evidence against the co conspirators as self important head of house judiciary committee. Seems he did not learn from Braggs' invitation to come overstep his bounds in New York
In another part of The Nuthouse MJT says loudly and wildly that she wants to be DJT's running mate among her accolades and praises and unswerving support but stresses that in the meantime she is focused on serving her constituents.
The debate was simply speaking to the base, with Christie the only one out of bounds. Republicans are trapped in a story they served up to their base and cannot swerve. If Trump gets on the ticket, there is already money and procedure to challenge him as being eligible to be on the ballot under 14.3 and big donors are having their say with money. My take is one of those speaking to the base may be the one moving forward and Trump will be be gone
Lots of state primaries to come and important courts will have their say.
No John, but everytime they go after Trump, the people think foul play on Dems
And admittedly there's a lot of trump witch-hunting .
So they may be playing right into his hands, particularly when it amounts to nothing legally.
Even the sex assault case, that was done to make trump look bad , not for justice for the woman. But many people do not even know he was found liable.
I guess the days of class, and honor in politics are over, all people want is results, they ain't looking for trump to be their kids role model
And sleepy Joe is such a weak foe. Kennedy mighta had a better chance. Dems got nobody exciting right ht now
Dom=== "So they may be playing right into his hands, particularly when it amounts to nothing legally".?????
Not sure what you mean....are not waiting for the truth to come out in court...you have made up your mind????...change when to if and I am on board
Well the phone call bit, some of the raids of his golf course, they have tried a lot of things that they knew weren't very strong, but thought it would leave a stain. It didn't really, people just got more suspicious of Dems.
And who knows if this Georgia thing will amount to anything either.
Hey, he's dangerous, I think his whole fake news thing was very damaging to journalism, and just credibility of a person.
The message is, deny deny deny and all will be fine.
But really, what accused person ever stands up and says, yes, I in fact did this.
.....not sure how strong the NY tax fraud (writing off Stormy Daniels settlement as legals) and loan bulking case will pan out...even if guilty ...in the bigger picture this is nothing...cumulatively though....
.....the Florida records case is strong and he will likely be guilty...but may get his wrist slapped given "who he was"
.....the Georgia and DC Jnauary 6 cases are IMO strong...he will be found guilty, and MAY face jail time
.....back to NY and the rape\defamation case....another no brainer guilty verdict with more penalties....just because it is a follow up of the last guilty verdict when he went on national TV and defamed her again.
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
None of you all has a true clue as to how all these trials will turn out.
You are privy to no actual first tier information.
You have opinions based upon emotional predispositions and partial facts supplied to you by your go-to bias confirming sources who derive profits by inciting your emotions....based largely on conjecture and undisclosed sources.
Even the actual indictments appear to lack detailed content.
There are wild cards in the deck also. Hung juries. Venue changes. Appeals.
Time will tell but I'm with John. I also think the he's in deep sh*t in Georgia. He's ruining the reputation of the Republican party. But they are playing his game. We have a couple of interesting months ahead of us.
Time will tell but I'm with John. I also think the he's in deep sh*t in Georgia. He's ruining the reputation of the Republican party. But they are playing his game. We have a couple of interesting months ahead of us.
Dems thought he was in deep [naughty word removed] with the Ukraine call.
He can still run if found guilty, and he'll probably win, people care about results that's it.
He's not a real Republican anyway, but they need him
Tony clarify....you think people can get away with lying in a court of law in the USA?
The courts themselves are biased and lying... Haven't you been following Hunter? Why hasn't Joe been impeached? How does an "unarmed" insurrection work? What does the destruction and community upheaval of "nonviolent" protest look like? What does a secure border look like? What does a mutilated sexually misguided child look like?
Absolutely true Marty...total supposition from where I sit...and waiting is right. I just paint em as I see em
Verdict outcome? Only thing that matters...but when it comes it will be with America and the world watching live and Trump will get his most watched event ever...a ratings blockbuster event of this century until they teach a cow how to climb trees.
Tony the legal truth will be based on the physical evidence and that is what the grand juries saw and I'm with Rob ... Georgia's RICO indictment is by far the most damning .That may be why we had a false start some time back when the Georgia Grand Jury was due to report and a juror leaked it was ready. Needed more work with what was unvovered.
By comparison the NY stormy daniels tax case (not the asset bulking loan fraud case) is weakest, and Trump seems to survive the defamation and rape case accusations, probably because it is all part of his style, his personna, his "when you're famous you can do anything" approach. The
FD if he makes it past the primaries...total supposition and waiting is right.
But as I said earlier, big money is moving with donors and there is a 14.3 movement afoot at the state level that would deem Trump as ineligible to be on the ballot....May or may not work but wait that out too
If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop
Time will tell but I'm with John. I also think the he's in deep sh*t in Georgia. He's ruining the reputation of the Republican party. But they are playing his game. We have a couple of interesting months ahead of us.
He can still run if found guilty, and he'll probably win, people care about results that's it.
He's not a real Republican anyway, but they need him
Hi Fdem, help me understand this. In 2020 Trump had the full support from the Republican voters and he lost by some 7 million votes. If he wants to win in 2024, he’ll probably need even more votes. But now, after all that has happened, some Republican voters have turned their backs on Trump. If he’s found guilty, even more will choose not to vote for him. How can he compensate those lost voters? If I look at his situation realistically, I doubt that he can win the election. Wouldn't the Republican party would be better off with a candidate that everyone can support. Am I missing something?
Time will tell but I'm with John. I also think the he's in deep sh*t in Georgia. He's ruining the reputation of the Republican party. But they are playing his game. We have a couple of interesting months ahead of us.
He can still run if found guilty, and he'll probably win, people care about results that's it.
He's not a real Republican anyway, but they need him
Hi Fdem, help me understand this. In 2020 Trump had the full support from the Republican voters and he lost by some 7 million votes. If he wants to win in 2024, he’ll probably need even more votes. But now, after all that has happened, some Republican voters have turned their backs on Trump. If he’s found guilty, even more will choose not to vote for him. How can he compensate those lost voters? If I look at his situation realistically, I doubt that he can w in the election. Wouldn't the Republican party would be better off with a candidate that everyone can support. Am I missing something?
Rob B.
You don't have to win the popular vote, in the US to become President. That is irrelevant. You have to win a majority of the Electoral College votes to win. Republicans have lost 7 of the last presidential election popular vote (Bush won in 2004) but both Bush in 2000 and Trump became President. The main thing that counts is to win the swing states, which at present seem to be Arizona, Michigan Georgia, Wisconsin and. Pennsylvania.
Steve
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In 2016 Trump won Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and won the election..In 2020 Biden won those states and Arizona/Georgia and won the election.
If it was by popular vote it would be difficult for a republican to win the Presidency because there are several republican states that have very small populations which is not the case with the democrat states. That's why no one wants to change the Electoral college system for electing a President
Steve
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Hi Steve, I'm aware of all that. How can Trump win the swing states that he lost in 2020 without the full support of the Republican voters? If, let's say, 10% of the Republicans don't vote for him because of all that has happened in Trump world since 2020, wouldn't it be pretty hard for him to win the swing states - the ones he lost in 2020 - in 2024?
Rob B. Trump would win if only 10% of repubs didn't vote for him . It has to be a much higher number than that to lose. Keep in mind, he only has to win 3 or 4 of the 5 swing states to win and only by 1 vote in each state ....In 2020 he only lost Wis/Arz/Geor by 30 to 40,000 votes. The US is divided 50/50 dem/repub and there is a ham sandwich mentality when it come to voting so he has a very good chance of winning....If convicted, polls say that 52% of repubs would not vote for him
Steve
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.....not sure how strong the NY tax fraud (writing off Stormy Daniels settlement as legals) and loan bulking case will pan out...even if guilty ...in the bigger picture this is nothing...cumulatively though....
.....the Florida records case is strong and he will likely be guilty...but may get his wrist slapped given "who he was"
.....the Georgia and DC Jnauary 6 cases are IMO strong...he will be found guilty, and MAY face jail time
.....back to NY and the rape\defamation case....another no brainer guilty verdict with more penalties....just because it is a follow up of the last guilty verdict when he went on national TV and defamed her again.
Hi John
I think the NY (Stormy) case is actually quite strong...all the evidence has been presented in the Michael Cohen case...where Trump was an unindicted co-conspirator. He wasn't charged at the time because he was President. Cohen went away for 3 years, so I would give it a lot of thought. It's also in I believe March and won't take long for the trial.
I don't see Georgia/DC getting off the ground in '24 and the Florida case is going to be a mess because of the judge
Don't forget there is a $250Million case against Trump Org coming up..civil only but the one he may hate the most because that will cost him money
Steve
Creators of music have a responsibility to their craft. When they have finished using all the notes and words, they must pass them down to the next generation with a simple request. “Use these to create new music.â€...Steven McDonald
The truth hurts, so you switch focus... change the subject.
You all seem to want Trump to be convicted... to do time.
For what? The same sort of political mud slinging that has occurred for thousands of years?
I thought the Constitution was worth more than that... I thought America was better than that...
Congratulations, all of you.
I dont care either way. He aint doing time either. And as i said, if he comes out of this remotely sound, he's gonna win the election hand down. The only way he doesn't is if its so bad and he falls with the ship.
Time will tell but I'm with John. I also think the he's in deep sh*t in Georgia. He's ruining the reputation of the Republican party. But they are playing his game. We have a couple of interesting months ahead of us.
He can still run if found guilty, and he'll probably win, people care about results that's it.
He's not a real Republican anyway, but they need him
Hi Fdem, help me understand this. In 2020 Trump had the full support from the Republican voters and he lost by some 7 million votes. If he wants to win in 2024, he’ll probably need even more votes. But now, after all that has happened, some Republican voters have turned their backs on Trump. If he’s found guilty, even more will choose not to vote for him. How can he compensate those lost voters? If I look at his situation realistically, I doubt that he can win the election. Wouldn't the Republican party would be better off with a candidate that everyone can support. Am I missing something?
Just saw this, I guess the Republicans have their own view of whats good for Republicans. They need Trump popularity, without him, they lose alot of voters. The point remains, if hes found guilty, many people will say "oh damn, they finally got him", knowing it WAS about Getting him.
I dont know but based on the republicans we have here, nothing deters them from supporting Trump.
We did not receive any interest in having a politics "board" beyond a couple people on this post. Going forward, this single post will be the "politics" board. Argue in the circular firing squad, but keep it all here. Political arguments elsewhere will be either deactivated into the archive or added onto this post.
No one will "win" any back and forth by the way. So what your point is will mostly be lost to those you direct it at. In my view ALL of it is simply propaganda and all sides are controlled by the same interests who have long ago bought our government. Enjoy the bread and circuses all you want, but the agenda that will always be served isn't the left or right, it isn't any special interest group either. All of that is theater to keep everyone's focus off the corruption and evil behind ALL these people. Senile Joe and Senile McConnell have marionette strings that are easy to see due to their mental decline, but the same people are controlling both who also control the rest. I would LOVE to vote for an honest and non corrupt person of ANY political viewpoint, but those people never get financed to run.
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Senile Joe and Senile McConnell have marionette strings that are easy to see due to their mental decline, but the same people are controlling both who also control the rest. I would LOVE to vote for an honest and non corrupt person of ANY political viewpoint, but those people never get financed to run.
Lol... I'm liking Vivek Ramaswamy more and more...
Not 100% positive, but pretty sure you (the original poster/thread starter) can "edit" your original post and change the title of the thread to whatever you want.
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