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I’m pleased to announce my new Kindle book, Assuming Facts Not In Evidence, A Cross-Examination of the Trinity. It’s a follow-up to my previous book on the same topic, The Only True God. I believe both the Scriptural and historical research to be accurate and the conclusions I’ve drawn to be trustworthy, and most important, in accord with New Testament Christianity.
I am not tech proficient, so some of the formatting may be askew. It’s still very readable. An excerpt is reproduced below.
Robert George
5-26-2023


In my first book on the Trinity, The Only True God, I linked the Triune Godhead with the theory of evolution, showing them both to be religious hoaxes with scant evidence to support them. My focus was on the Trinity, nevertheless, all popular, widespread hoaxes have certain similarities.
Emotionally attached believers who grasp at the thinnest piece of driftwood to keep afloat beloved beliefs. Evidence that is only convincing if you already believe the teaching. A GroupThink clergy who control what information is fed to the rank and file. Public ridiculing of skeptics. (This shames people whose natural desire is to fit in with their peers, as well as keeping doubting members of its clergy from speaking out)

A favorite, often hilarious tactic is making outlandish assertions in the media about the hoax. This includes movies, TV, novels, the news…anything. For example, the Jurassic Park movies. The first one worked like a coal miner to convince the audience dinosaurs “evolved” into birds, offering laughable evidence. But they saved the best for the sequel, The Lost World.
In an early scene, a young girl comes across a “compy”. The compy looks like the Geico Lizard. Yet the girl kneels, peers at it, and asks it if it’s a bird. Preposterous. I knew what a bird looked like when I was three. Feathers and a beak. Most of ‘em fly.
If I remember correctly, the recent JP flick depicted dinosaurs growing fur. This is wishful drinking by the screenwriters. No such fossil evidence has ever been found.

What’s the harm, you say?

As a kid, I believed everything I saw on TV. Jonny Qwest, The Flintstones, Star Trek, the global cooling episode of Barney Miller. Some people shake this stuff off, like belief in Santa Claus.
But many don’t, especially when it’s presented as fact, without question, in everything they see, hear, and read.
Unsupportable claims are made about the Trinity, too. I’ll quote quite a few in this book.


This book’s format.

In my previous book, I briefly discussed what The Bible teaches about Yahweh, His divine Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Here, I will address directly what is taught and claimed about the Trinity in mainstream evangelical books, by well-respected authors. I’ve read quite a few of these books and found them spiritually edifying. I have a high regard for the authors and in no way intend to impugn their Christian faithfulness or sincerity.
Nevertheless, their books provide prime examples of promoting a hoax where no such evidence exists in the material they’re explaining. I’ve reviewed these books and am reproducing those reviews here, along with comments about study Bibles I own. I’ve also included an article I wrote as a response to the “Chickenasaurus”. Chickenasaurus can be Googled. If anything exposes evolution as a fraud, it’s the dupes involved with that project. I’m not trying to be snarky or contentious. Trying to be respectful of Chickenasaurus is difficult, especially when evolution is the greatest hoax of the past two hundred years and any who question it are ridiculed.

An article recently appeared in major news outlets about evolution and “Chernobyl dogs”. That doesn’t reach the absurd depths of Chickensaurus, but not for lack of trying. It seems “science” will grasp at any folly to avoid the obvious…The universe has a Creator. It is as written in the Scriptures, “…The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken. Behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD; so, what wisdom do they have?” (Jeremiah 8:9 NKJV)



https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C6HDS6CN/ref=sr_1_1?crid=XGWS62VPS8BC&keywords=Robert+George+assuming+facts+not+in+evidence&qid=1685222214&s=digital-text&sprefix=robert+george+assuming+facts+not+in+evidence%2Cdigital-text%2C528&sr=1-1


ps...if the link is wonky, just go to Amazon and search for my name and the book's title.

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No point in buying the book, I just read it here, haha. Good luck with keep writing!

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Thanks, FD.

According the Amazon blurb, it's the #1 new book in Christian/Bible. That may be like being the world's fastest turtle, but hey, it's something.

The book has some early Church history in there, worthwhile for believers and skeptics alike. 😀


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About the Trinity...

I give you the book of Revelation.
The prophesied word and will of the only true God, by the power of the Holy Spirit, in the name of the Messiah Jesus Christ, Emmanuel.

If you don't understand it now, you most certainly will when it happens...

Read it, understand it, accept it, love it! smile

Good luck Grouch.

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I'm very familiar with Revelation.

You may not know what the Trinity is, JAPOV. You only mentioned two members in your comment (Jesus and The Holy Spirit), which is the problem.

The Trinity isn't explicitly taught in the NT, and it isn't taught in the OT at all. The Jews are God's chosen people and "...salvation is of the Jews". (John 4:24)

Jews don’t believe in the Trinity now and they didn't believe it from the time of Abraham to the founding of the Church. There should be dozens of NT texts explaining the Trinity to Jewish converts (like there are with salvation apart from the Law and the resurrection), but there are none.

There is also no mention of it in early Church documents. It's not specifically taught until the 4th century. If you want to know its definition, you can find it in the Athanasian and Nicene Creeds of the 4th century.

All this is in my books.

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Originally Posted by couchgrouch
Jews don’t believe in the Trinity now and they didn't believe it from the time of Abraham to the founding of the Church. There should be dozens of NT texts explaining the Trinity to Jewish converts (like there are with salvation apart from the Law and the resurrection), but there are none.

There is also no mention of it in early Church documents. It's not specifically taught until the 4th century. If you want to know its definition, you can find it in the Athanasian and Nicene Creeds of the 4th century.

All this is in my books.

Come on Grouch... That's a "Chicken or the egg" argument...
The apostles were only gifted with the Spirit once Christ revealed Himself as God at that time. There's PLENTY in the Gospels about THAT! And, yes, most people get the point by simply reading it lol...

2000yrs ago... Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John had nothing specifically to prove to YOU Grouch wink

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JAPOV, your comment has nothing to do with either what I said or the Trinity. Jesus is the SON of God.
That's how the Apostles referred to Him. As to John 1:1, 2...see American Translation by Smith and Goodspeed and Moffat's.

Remember, the Trinity is THREE Persons in one. No verse describes such a teaching.

I'd recommend you read my books. Or at least confirm both Scripturally and historically what the co-equal, co-eternal Triune Godhead doctrine is.

Ps...Regarding the Gospel writers, Luke researched his account thoroughly. (Luke 1) It was his stated reason for writing Luke and Acts that Theophilus would be convinced of the Gospel. Jesus is referred to as "Son of the Most High" (Luke 1:30-32) and as a "prophet" by Cleopas after His resurrection. (Luke 24) Luke never describes anything remotely like a Trinity.

John specifically states at the end of his account that he wrote it that we may believe Jesus is the Son of God. (John 20:31).

That was the entire purpose of the Gospels, historical accounts of the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
They DID have something to prove. That was their assignment. (Acts 1:8)

Yahweh is God, Jesus is His only-begotten Son, and Holy Spirit is exactly what the words mean in Hebrew and Greek, sacred wind, or the power of God. (Luke 11:20, New Living Translation)

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Even Jesus is empowered by the Spirit...

There's only one unforgivable sin, Robert... Haven't you ever wondered WHY?

Currently, we are not "spirits"... So, we don't fully understand.
But we will... one day... one way or the other.

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Again, what you say, although true, has nothing to do with the definition of the Trinity, or whether it's true.

Look at what I said in my previous post. What you just said fits perfectly with most of it.

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I went to Amazon and read the sample of your book... So, why don't you just explain this;

"In my first book on the Trinity, The Only True God, I linked the Triune Godhead with the theory of evolution, showing them both to be religious hoaxes with scant evidence to support them."

And explain why you don't believe most people get the concept of "Triune God" by simply reading the Bible...

Currently, as a Bible believing Christian, I have no reason to delve any deeper into your research.

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I didn't understand your question. What are you asking? You yourself don't appear to understand the Trinity at all. And I don't mean to be condescending. The teaching is like one of those bills the House votes for but it isn't sure what's in it.

As stated, the teaching doesn't appear in the OT, which is why Jews have never believed it.
It's nowhere explicitly stated in the NT, or anywhere until centuries later.

It's my belief the Trinity is a hoax, and like evolution,
People are very emotionally invested in it. The evidence for it is thin and only convincing if you already believe it and WANT to believe it. Those are traits common to all social and religious hoaxes.

"You have to read between the lines" is a statement often heard when social or religious hoaxes are questioned.

After the apostles, paganism crept into the Church, the same as it did with Israel in Moses' absence. That's where the traditions associated with Christmas and Easter came from, mixing Christianity with paganism. Any encyclopedia will tell you this.

Greco-Roman culture was infested with trinities of gods. These teachings were gradually merged with
the NT.

The Trinity has been ingrained in the Church for 1600 years. The Reformation cast off many non-Biblical teachings, but the Trinity, Christmas, and Easter traditions remain.

Such traditions are stumbling blocks, not only to Jews and Muslims, but also atheists who view eggs and rabbits as mythical nonsense.

But the Bible is history. And those traditions only weaken its authority in people's eyes. It's the purpose of my books to "...destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of
God." (2nd Corinthians 10:4, 5)

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Like I said... "Good luck Grouch"


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