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Tony,
Once again, you are only putting up points on your side of the scoreboard.

Read an interview with Newt Gingrich this morning. Even he is publicly stating that it's time to assess your opponents with intellectual honesty and critical thinking.

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Newt?!?
Yeah', I know EXACTLY where he's coming from.
Why don't one of you post a list of verifiable Trump lies and we'll simply compare for relevancy lol...

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Newt?!?
Yeah', I know EXACTLY where he's coming from.
Why don't one of you post a list of verifiable Trump lies and we'll simply compare for relevancy lol...

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T r u m p ’ s L i e s

Many Americans have become accustomed to President Trump’s lies. But as regular as they have become, the country should not allow itself to become numb to them. So we have catalogued nearly every outright lie he has told publicly since taking the oath of office. Updated: The president is still lying, so we've added to this list, taking it through Nov. 11, and provided links to the facts in each case.

By DAVID LEONHARDT and STUART A. THOMPSON UPDATED December 14, 2017
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Jan. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)  Jan. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)  Jan. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.)  Jan. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.)  Jan. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.)  Jan. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)  Jan. 25 “So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.)  Jan. 26 “We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't.” (Vetting lasts up to two years.)  Jan. 26 “I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.)  Jan. 28 “The coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost has been so false and angry that the Times actually apologized to its dwindling subscribers and readers.” (It never apologized.)  Jan. 29 “The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote.” (There is no support for this.)  Jan. 30 “Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage.” (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage happened two days later.)  Feb. 3 “Professional anarchists, thugs and paid protesters are proving the point of the millions of people who voted to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” (There is no evidence of paid protesters.)  Feb. 4 “After being forced to apologize for its bad and inaccurate coverage of me after winning the election, the FAKE NEWS @nytimes is still lost!” (It never apologized.)  Feb. 5 “We had 109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers and all we did was vet those people very, very carefully.” (About 60,000 people were affected.)  Feb. 6 “I have already saved more than $700 million when I got involved in the negotiation on the F-35.” (Much of the price drop was projected before Trump took office.)  Feb. 6 “It's gotten to a point where it is not even being reported. And in many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it.” (Terrorism has been reported on, often in detail.)  Feb. 6 “The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win. Now they are worse!” (It didn't apologize.)  Feb. 6 “And the previous administration allowed it to happen because we shouldn't have been in Iraq, but we shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out. It created a vacuum, ISIS was formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.)  Feb. 7 “And yet the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years, right? Did you know that? Forty-seven years.” (It was higher in the 1980s and '90s.)  Feb. 7 “I saved more than $600 million. I got involved in negotiation on a fighter jet, the F-35.” (The Defense Department projected this price drop before Trump took office.)  Feb. 9 “Chris Cuomo, in his interview with Sen. Blumenthal, never asked him about his long-term lie about his brave ‘service’ in Vietnam. FAKE NEWS!” (It was part of Cuomo's first question.)  Feb. 9 “Sen. Richard Blumenthal now misrepresents what Judge Gorsuch told him?” (The Gorsuch comments were later corroborated.)  Feb. 10 “I don’t know about it. I haven’t seen it. What report is that?” (Trump knew about Flynn's actions for weeks.)  Feb. 12 “Just leaving Florida. Big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining the road that the FAKE NEWS media refuses to mention. Very dishonest!” (The media did cover it.)  Feb. 16 “We got 306 because people came out and voted like they've never seen before so that's the way it goes. I guess it was the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan.” (George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama all won bigger margins in the Electoral College.)  Feb. 16 “That’s the other thing that was wrong with the travel ban. You had Delta with a massive problem with their computer system at the airports.” (Delta's problems happened two days later.)  Feb. 16 “Walmart announced it will create 10,000 jobs in the United States just this year because of our various plans and initiatives.” (The jobs are a result of its investment plans announced in Oct. 2016.)  Feb. 16 “When WikiLeaks, which I had nothing to do with, comes out and happens to give, they’re not giving classified information.” (Not always. They have released classified information in the past.)  Feb. 16 “We had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban. But we had a bad court. Got a bad decision.” (The rollout was chaotic.)  Feb. 16 “They’re giving stuff — what was said at an office about Hillary cheating on the debates. Which, by the way, nobody mentions. Nobody mentions that Hillary received the questions to the debates.” (It was widely covered.)  Feb. 18 “And there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing.” (Refugees receive multiple background checks, taking up to two years.)  Feb. 18 “You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?” (Trump implied there was a terror attack in Sweden, but there was no such attack.)  Feb. 24 “By the way, you folks are in here — this place is packed, there are lines that go back six blocks.” (There was no evidence of long lines.)  Feb. 24 “ICE came and endorsed me.” (Only its union did.)  Feb. 24 “Obamacare covers very few people — and remember, deduct from the number all of the people that had great health care that they loved that was taken away from them — it was taken away from them.” (Obamacare increased coverage by a net of about 20 million.)  Feb. 27 “Since Obamacare went into effect, nearly half of the insurers are stopped and have stopped from participating in the Obamacare exchanges.” (Many fewer pulled out.)  Feb. 27 “On one plane, on a small order of one plane, I saved $725 million. And I would say I devoted about, if I added it up, all those calls, probably about an hour. So I think that might be my highest and best use.” (Much of the price cut was already projected.)  Feb. 28 “And now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are beginning to do just that.” (NATO countries agreed to meet defense spending requirements in 2014.)  Feb. 28 “The E.P.A.’s regulators were putting people out of jobs by the hundreds of thousands.” (There's no evidence that the Waters of the United States rule caused severe job losses.)  Feb. 28 “We have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a five-year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials.” (They can't lobby their former agency but can still become lobbyists.)  March 3 “It is so pathetic that the Dems have still not approved my full Cabinet.” (Paperwork for the last two candidates was still not submitted to the Senate.)  March 4 “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!” (There's no evidence of a wiretap.)  March 4 “How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!” (There's no evidence of a wiretap.)  March 7 “122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!” (113 of them were released by President George W. Bush.)  March 13 “I saved a lot of money on those jets, didn't I? Did I do a good job? More than $725 million on them.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)  March 13 “First of all, it covers very few people.” (About 20 million people gained insurance under Obamacare.)  March 15 “On the airplanes, I saved $725 million. Probably took me a half an hour if you added up all of the times.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)  March 17 “I was in Tennessee — I was just telling the folks — and half of the state has no insurance company, and the other half is going to lose the insurance company.” (There's at least one insurer in every Tennessee county.)  March 20 “With just one negotiation on one set of airplanes, I saved the taxpayers of our country over $700 million.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)  March 21 “To save taxpayer dollars, I’ve already begun negotiating better contracts for the federal government — saving over $700 million on just one set of airplanes of which there are many sets.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)  March 22 “I make the statement, everyone goes crazy. The next day they have a massive riot, and death, and problems.” (Riots in Sweden broke out two days later and there were no deaths.)  March 22 “NATO, obsolete, because it doesn’t cover terrorism. They fixed that.” (It has fought terrorism since the 1980s.)  March 22 “Well, now, if you take a look at the votes, when I say that, I mean mostly they register wrong — in other words, for the votes, they register incorrectly and/or illegally. And they then vote. You have tremendous numbers of people.” (There's no evidence of widespread voter fraud.)  March 29 “Remember when the failing @nytimes apologized to its subscribers, right after the election, because their coverage was so wrong. Now worse!” (It didn't apologize.)  March 31 “We have a lot of plants going up now in Michigan that were never going to be there if I — if I didn’t win this election, those plants would never even think about going back. They were gone.” (These investments were already planned.)  April 2 “And I was totally opposed to the war in the Middle East which I think finally has been proven, people tried very hard to say I wasn’t but you’ve seen that it is now improving.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)  April 2 “Now, my last tweet — you know, the one that you are talking about, perhaps — was the one about being, in quotes, wiretapped, meaning surveilled. Guess what, it is turning out to be true.” (There is still no evidence.)  April 5 “You have many states coming up where they’re going to have no insurance company. O.K.? It’s already happened in Tennessee. It’s happening in Kentucky. Tennessee only has half coverage. Half the state is gone. They left.” (Every marketplace region in Tennessee had at least one insurer.)  April 6 “If you look at the kind of cost-cutting we’ve been able to achieve with the military and at the same time ordering vast amounts of equipment — saved hundreds of millions of dollars on airplanes, and really billions, because if you take that out over a period of years it’s many billions of dollars — I think we’ve had a tremendous success.” (Much of the price cuts were already projected.)  April 11 “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve.” (He knew Steve Bannon since 2011.)  April 12 “You can't do it faster, because they're obstructing. They're obstructionists. So I have people — hundreds of people that we're trying to get through. I mean you have — you see the backlog. We can't get them through.” (At this point, he had not nominated anyone for hundreds of positions.)  April 12 “The New York Times said the word wiretapped in the headline of the first edition. Then they took it out of there fast when they realized.” (There were separate headlines for print and web, but neither were altered.)  April 12 “The secretary general and I had a productive discussion about what more NATO can do in the fight against terrorism. I complained about that a long time ago and they made a change, and now they do fight terrorism.” (NATO has been engaged in counterterrorism efforts since the 1980s.)  April 12 “Mosul was supposed to last for a week and now they’ve been fighting it for many months and so many more people died.” (The campaign was expected to take months.)  April 16 “Someone should look into who paid for the small organized rallies yesterday. The election is over!” (There's no evidence of paid protesters.)  April 18 “The fake media goes, ‘Donald Trump changed his stance on China.’ I haven’t changed my stance.” (He did.)  April 21 “On 90 planes I saved $725 million. It's actually a little bit more than that, but it's $725 million.” (Much of the price cuts were already projected.)  April 21 “When WikiLeaks came out ... never heard of WikiLeaks, never heard of it.” (He criticized it as early as 2010.)  April 27 “I want to help our miners while the Democrats are blocking their healthcare.” (The bill to extend health benefits for certain coal miners was introduced by a Democrat and was co-sponsored by mostly Democrats.)  April 28 “The trade deficit with Mexico is close to $70 billion, even with Canada it’s $17 billion trade deficit with Canada.” (The U.S. had an $8.1 billion trade surplus, not deficit, with Canada in 2016.)  April 28 “She's running against someone who's going to raise your taxes to the sky, destroy your health care, and he's for open borders — lots of crime.” (Those are not Jon Ossoff's positions.)  April 28 “The F-35 fighter jet program — it was way over budget. I’ve saved $725 million plus, just by getting involved in the negotiation.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.)  April 29 “As you know, I've been a big critic of China, and I've been talking about currency manipulation for a long time. But I have to tell you that during the election, number one, they stopped.” (China stopped years ago.)  April 29 “I've already saved more than $725 million on a simple order of F-35 planes. I got involved in the negotiation.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.)  April 29 “We're also getting NATO countries to finally step up and contribute their fair share. They've begun to increase their contributions by billions of dollars, but we are not going to be satisfied until everyone pays what they owe.” (The deal was struck in 2014.)  April 29 “When they talk about currency manipulation, and I did say I would call China, if they were, a currency manipulator, early in my tenure. And then I get there. Number one, they — as soon as I got elected, they stopped.” (China stopped in 2014.)  April 29 “I was negotiating to reduce the price of the big fighter jet contract, the F-35, which was totally out of control. I will save billions and billions and billions of dollars.” (Most of the cuts were planned before Trump.)  April 29 “I think our side's been proven very strongly. And everybody's talking about it.” (There's still no evidence Trump's phones were tapped.)  May 1 “Well, we are protecting pre-existing conditions. And it'll be every good — bit as good on pre-existing conditions as Obamacare.” (The bill weakens protections for people with pre-existing conditions.)  May 1 “The F-35 fighter jet — I saved — I got involved in the negotiation. It's 2,500 jets. I negotiated for 90 planes, lot 10. I got $725 million off the price.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.)  May 1 “First of all, since I started running, they haven't increased their — you know, they have not manipulated their currency. I think that was out of respect to me and the campaign.” (China stopped years ago.)  May 2 “I love buying those planes at a reduced price. I have been really — I have cut billions — I have to tell you this, and they can check, right, Martha? I have cut billions and billions of dollars off plane contracts sitting here.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.)  May 4 “Number two, they’re actually not a currency [manipulator]. You know, since I’ve been talking about currency manipulation with respect to them and other countries, they stopped.” (China stopped years ago.)  May 4 “We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)  May 4 “Nobody cares about my tax return except for the reporters.” (Polls show most Americans do care.)  May 8 “You know we’ve gotten billions of dollars more in NATO than we’re getting. All because of me.” (The deal was struck in 2014.)  May 8 “But when I did his show, which by the way was very highly rated. It was high — highest rating. The highest rating he’s ever had.” (Colbert's Late Show debut had nearly two million more viewers.)  May 8 “Director Clapper reiterated what everybody, including the fake media already knows — there is ‘no evidence’ of collusion w/ Russia and Trump.” (Clapper only said he wasn't aware of an investigation.)  May 12 “Again, the story that there was collusion between the Russians & Trump campaign was fabricated by Dems as an excuse for losing the election.” (The F.B.I. was investigating before the election.)  May 12 “When James Clapper himself, and virtually everyone else with knowledge of the witch hunt, says there is no collusion, when does it end?” (Clapper said he wouldn't have been told of an investigation into collusion.)  May 13 “I'm cutting the price of airplanes with Lockheed.” (The cost cuts were planned before he became president.)  May 26 “Just arrived in Italy for the G7. Trip has been very successful. We made and saved the USA many billions of dollars and millions of jobs.” (He's referencing an arms deal that's not enacted and other apparent deals that weren't announced on the trip.)  June 1 “China will be allowed to build hundreds of additional coal plants. So, we can’t build the plants, but they can, according to this agreement. India will be allowed to double its coal production by 2020.” (The agreement doesn’t allow or disallow building coal plants.)  June 1 “I’ve just returned from a trip overseas where we concluded nearly $350 billion of military and economic development for the United States, creating hundreds of thousands of jobs.” (Trump’s figures are inflated and premature.)  June 4 “At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is ‘no reason to be alarmed!’” (The mayor was specifically talking about the enlarged police presence on the streets.)  June 5 “The Justice Dept. should have stayed with the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to S.C.” (Trump signed this version of the travel ban, not the Justice Department.)  June 20 “Well, the Special Elections are over and those that want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN are 5 and O!” (Republicans have won four special elections this year, while a Democrat won one.)  June 21 “They all say it's 'nonbinding.' Like hell it's nonbinding.” (The Paris climate agreement is nonbinding — and Trump said so in his speech announcing the withdrawal.)  June 21 “Right now, we are one of the highest-taxed nations in the world.” (We're not.)  June 21 “You have a gang called MS-13. ... We are moving them out of the country by the thousands, by the thousands.” (The real number of gang members deported is smaller.)  June 21 “Your insurance companies have all fled the state of Iowa.” (They haven't.)  June 21 “If [farmers] have a puddle in the middle of their field ... it's considered a lake and you can't touch it. ... We got rid of that one, too, O.K.?” (The Obama environmental rule to limit pollution in the country’s waters explicitly excludes puddles.)  June 21 “Gary Cohn just paid $200 million in tax in order to take this job, by the way.” (Cohn sold Goldman Sachs stock worth $220 million.)  June 21 “We’re 5 and 0.” (Republicans have won four special elections this year, while a Democrat won one.)  June 21 “Last week a brand-new coal mine just opened in the state of Pennsylvania, first time in decades, decades.” (Another coal mine opened in 2014.)  June 22 “Former Homeland Security Advisor Jeh Johnson is latest top intelligence official to state there was no grand scheme between Trump & Russia.” (Johnson, who had a different title, didn't say that.)  June 23 “We are 5 and 0 ... in these special elections.” (Republicans have won four special elections this year, while a Democrat won one.)  June 27 “Ratings way down!” (CNN's ratings were at a five-year high at the time.)  June 28 “Democrats purposely misstated Medicaid under new Senate bill — actually goes up.” (Senate bill would have cut the program deeply.)  June 29 “General Kelly and his whole group — they’ve gotten rid of 6,000 so far.” (The real number of MS-13 gang members who have been deported is smaller.)  July 6 “As a result of this insistence, billions of dollars more have begun to pour into NATO.” (NATO countries agreed to meet defense spending requirements in 2014.)  July 17 “We’ve signed more bills — and I’m talking about through the legislature — than any president, ever.” (Clinton, Carter, Truman, and F.D.R. had signed more at the same point.)  July 19 “Um, the Russian investigation — it’s not an investigation, it’s not on me — you know, they’re looking at a lot of things.” (It is.)  July 19 “I heard that Harry Truman was first, and then we beat him. These are approved by Congress. These are not just executive orders.” (Presidents Clinton, Carter, Truman, and F.D.R. each had signed more legislation than Trump at the same point in their terms.)  July 19 “But the F.B.I. person really reports directly to the president of the United States, which is interesting.” (He reports directly to the attorney general.)  July 19 “She did the uranium deal, which is a horrible thing, while she was secretary of state, and got a lot of money.” (There's no evidence Hillary Clinton was actively involved or benefited from the deal.)  July 24 “It looks like about 45,000 people. You set a record today.” (Many fewer than 45,000 were there, and the attendance was not a record.)  July 25 “We have the highest taxes anywhere in the world, and this will really bring them down to one of the lowest.” (Tax rates in the United States are below average, overall and for an industrialized country.)  July 25 “We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world” (We're not.)  July 25 “We have nearly doubled the number of veterans given approvals to see the doctor of their choice.” (The increase was 26 percent.)  July 25 “Since I took office we have cut illegal immigration on our southern border by record numbers. 78 percent.” (The decline began before Trump's inauguration.)  July 28 “The previous administration enacted an open-door policy to illegal migrants from Central America. "Welcome in. Come in, please, please.” (Obama deported millions.)  July 28 “We have trade deficits with almost every country because we had a lot of really bad negotiators making deals with other countries.” (The U.S. has a trade surplus with more than 100 countries.)  July 31 “2.6 is a number that nobody thought they’d see for a long period of time.” (Many experts predicted economic growth at least this high.)  July 31 “And even the President of Mexico called me – they said their southern border, very few people are coming because they know they’re not going to get through our border, which is the ultimate compliment.” (Mexico's president says he didn't call Trump.)  Aug. 1 “And I think to me, maybe the biggest is that GDP for the quarter just released at 2.6 percent. So that's so much higher than anticipated.” (It wasn't.)  Aug. 3 “Economic growth has surged to 2.6% nationwide. You have to understand what that means. Nobody thought that number was going to happen.” (Many experts predicted that.)  Aug. 3 “The Russia story is a total fabrication.” (It's not.)  Aug. 3 “Or let them look at the uranium she sold that is now in the hands of very angry Russians.” (There's no evidence Hillary Clinton was actively involved in the sale.)  Aug. 15 “We want products made in the country. Now, I have to tell you, some of the folks that will leave, they're leaving out of embarrassment because they make their products outside.” (People resigned from Trump's business councils over his Charlottesville comments.)  Aug. 22 “Remember, everybody said you won’t bring it up to 1 percent. You won’t bring it up to 1.2 percent.” (Many experts predicted economic growth at least this high.)  Aug. 22 “I mean truly dishonest people in the media and the fake media, they make up stories. They have no sources in many cases. They say 'a source says' – there is no such thing.” (The media does not make up sources.)  Aug. 22 “As everybody here remembers, this was the scene of my first rally speech, right?” (Trump's first rally was in New Hampshire)  Aug. 22 “We have become an energy exporter for the first time ever just recently.” (The U.S. isn't projected to become a net energy exporter until 2026.)  Aug. 22 “Look back there, the live red lights. They're turning those suckers off fast out there. They're turning those lights off fast. Like CNN.” (CNN didn't turn off its cameras.)  Sept. 6 “The taxes are crazy – the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)  Sept. 6 “We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.” (We're not.)  Sept. 8 “Our incredible U.S. Coast Guard saved more than 15,000 lives last week with Harvey.” (The real number is 11,022.)  Sept. 14 “Also with the fact that I know in the case of FEMA and the case of Coast Guard, the job you've done in saving people, saving lives. As an example, in Harvey in Texas, we talked – over 16,000 lives.” (The real number is smaller.)  Sept. 14 “And in Florida you got hit with the strongest winds ever recorded.” (They weren't the strongest ever recorded.)  Sept. 22 “We've been dealing with ICE, we've been dealing with the Border Patrol. They both endorsed me.” (Neither agency endorsed him; only their unions did.)  Sept. 22 “So he started off here, he was in third or fourth, he went to third, second, and now it's like almost pretty even.” (Strange consistently polled first or second in the Alabama Republican primary.)  Sept. 29 “With the F-35 fighter plane – me, myself – I've saved hundreds of millions of dollars in negotiating.” (The cost cuts were planned before he became president.)  Sept. 27 “I’m doing the right thing, and it’s not good for me.” (All available evidence suggests he would benefit.)  Sept. 27 “To protect millions of small businesses and the American farmer, we are finally ending the crushing, the horrible, the unfair estate tax.” (The real number of small businesses and farmers is vastly smaller.)  Sept. 27 “No, I don't benefit. I don't benefit. In fact, very very strongly, as you see, I think there's very little benefit for people of wealth.” (The tax plan would personally benefit Trump and other wealthy individuals.)  Sept. 27 “Facebook was always anti-Trump.The Networks were always anti-Trump hence,Fake News, @nytimes(apologized) & @WaPo were anti-Trump.” (The Times did not apologize for its Trump coverage.)  Sept. 28 “I mean right now, we're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)  Oct. 3 “But the Coast Guard itself saved in Texas 16,000 lives, and they went right through that hurricane.” (The real number is smaller.)  Oct. 3 “But that's an expensive plane that you can't see. And as you probably heard, we cut the price very substantially – something that other administrations would never have done, that I can tell you.” (The cost cuts were planned before he became president.)  Oct. 6 “I was able to reduce the price of the Lockheed by billions of dollars.” (The cost cuts were planned before he became president.)  Oct. 6 “We're the highest-taxed developed nation in the world, probably the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)  Oct. 6 “They also just said that there has been absolutely no collusion. They just said that. Yesterday. Two days ago. Senate. There has been no collusion.” (The Senate didn't say that.)  Oct. 6 “This tax cut and tax reform is going very well, and it's going to be a tremendous boost for our country, including the fact that we're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)  Oct. 7 “We're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)  Oct. 7 “The Coast Guard, in Texas, and all over, but with the job they did in Texas, I saw, they saved 16,000 lives.” (The real number is smaller.)  Oct. 7 “Obama should have never gotten out the way he got out. That's how ISIS formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.)  Oct. 10 “The Failing @nytimes set Liddle' Bob Corker up by recording his conversation. Was made to sound a fool, and that's what I am dealing with!” (Corker asked the Times reporter to record the call; his aides recorded it too.)  Oct. 10 “We're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)  Oct. 11 “We have missiles that can knock out a missile in the air. Ninety seven per cent of the time. If you send two of them, it's going to get knocked out.” (The effectiveness rate is about 60 percent.)  Oct. 16 “We're the highest-taxed country in the world.” (We're not.)  Oct. 16 “I hear that Ireland is going to be reducing their corporate rates down to 8 percent from 12.” (Ireland has no plans to cut its tax rate.)  Oct. 16 “If you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn’t make calls.” (They did call families of soldiers killed in action.)  Oct. 16 “All I can say is it's totally fake news, just fake. It's fake. It's made-up stuff, and it's disgraceful what happens, but that happens in the world of politics.” (Trump himself has bragged about groping women.)  Oct. 17 “We're the highest taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)  Oct. 17 “Right now, we are the highest-taxed nation anywhere in the world. You can even say developed or undeveloped.” (We're not.)  Oct. 17 “As far as I'm concerned, I think we're really essentially the highest. But if you'd like to add the developed nation, you can say that, too.” (Taxes in the U.S. are lower than in most developed countries.)  Oct. 17 “We're the highest-taxed nation in the world. We are taxed beyond belief.” (We're not.)  Oct. 17 “Well, we're the highest-taxed nation in the world.” (We're not.)  Oct. 17 “I wish President Obama didn't get out the way he got out. Because that left a vacuum and ISIS was formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.)  Oct. 18 “Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof).” (The wife confirmed Representative Frederica Wilson's account.)  Oct. 18 “The Coast Guard in Texas saved 16,000 lives.” (The real number was smaller.)  Oct. 18 “Nobody has ever heard of a five hitting land.” (Category 5 storms have hit land before.)  Oct. 24 “Under our plan, more than 30 million Americans who own small businesses will get a 40 per cent cut to their top marginal tax rate.” (The real number is estimated to be less than 1 million.)  Oct. 25 “We have trade deficits with almost everybody.” (We have trade surpluses with more than 100 countries.)  Oct. 27 “Wacky & totally unhinged Tom Steyer, who has been fighting me and my Make America Great Again agenda from beginning, never wins elections!” (Steyer has financially supported many winning candidates.)  Nov. 1 “Again, we're the highest-taxed nation, just about, in the world.” (We're not.)  Nov. 7 “When you look at the city with the strongest gun laws in our nation, it's Chicago.” (Several other cities, including New York and Los Angeles, have stronger gun laws.)  Nov. 11 “I'd rather have him – you know, work with him on the Ukraine than standing and arguing about whether or not – because that whole thing was set up by the Democrats.” (There is no evidence that Democrats "set up" Russian interference in the election.)
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David Leonhardt is a New York Times columnist. Stuart A. Thompson is the graphics director for the Opinion section.

Sources: Politifact; Factcheck.org; The Washington Post Fact Checker; The Toronto Star

Ian Prasad Philbrick contributed reporting.

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Newt?!?
Yeah', I know EXACTLY where he's coming from.
Why don't one of you post a list of verifiable Trump lies and we'll simply compare for relevancy lol...

Tony,
Before you post something like this you should have a clear idea of the facts involved. I mean c'mon.

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1 Corinthians 13:4-6

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the "TRUTH".

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
1 Corinthians 13:4-6

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the "TRUTH".


This is Bizzaro Trump....

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
1 Corinthians 13:4-6

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the "TRUTH".

All true....imo.

Now Tony. You should read this closely and do some rethinking.

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Patience and loving kindness are the only reasons I'm still here Marty wink

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Patience and loving kindness are the only reasons I'm still here Marty wink

To publicly acknowledge the patience and loving kindness others have shown you is a good thing, JAPOV...well done


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As a God fearing man, I would be woefully accursed if not for the forbearance of reptiles...

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
As a God fearing man, I would be woefully accursed if not for the forbearance of reptiles...

Who you callin' reptile Willis? 🙂

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Lol... Just Say'in wink

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By Hal Lindsey

Any time we approach the end of a particularly tumultuous year, we look forward to the next year as a return to “normal.” But at this point, the old normal no longer exists. 2023 looks like a continuation of the last few years, only worse.

Sin deluges our society in countless ways. Consider this one. We live in a generation that has abandoned truth. The word now depicts an emotion. It’s about “how I feel about things,” rather than what is really so. Jesus spoke of truth as a foundation — something dependable that you can safely build on. But the people of our time portray truth as malleable. They speak of “Your truth,” and “My truth,” as different things.

But real truth does not change from person to person. Our understandings may be different, but truth is truth whether we understand it or not. People who devalue truth make themselves vulnerable to things like fake news, fraud, duplicity, hypocrisy, treachery, manipulation, cunning, guile, and just plain lying. Jesus prophesied that the last days would be a time of deception, and here we are.

Romans 1:25 speaks of a people who “exchanged the truth of God for a lie.” They turn from solid, unchangeable truth to a quicksand of lies. Verse 28 says God gives such people over to “a depraved mind.” For years I have said that a “depraved mind” means in part that they are unable to think in their own best interests.

We saw an amazing example of that on December 1st when The Atlantic ran an article headlined, “The People Cheering for Humanity’s End: A disparate group of thinkers says we should welcome our demise.” Such people are not talking about the Second Coming or Judgment Day when God will complete His program of redemption. They are talking about a sad, empty ending to everything human that ever occurred. They long for an end to great thoughts, beautiful music, laughter, and smiles. They do not resonate with joy at the sound of children playing. They hope it all ends, the sooner the better.

When respected and influential members of society openly teach such abominations, we have moved into perilous times. More than that, we are raising children in perilous times. How should we respond?

Several years ago, I wrote a book called Faith for Earth’s Final Hour. Looking back, I believe it to be one of the most important topics I ever addressed. And friends, we need it right now!

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Once again Tony...
You have to score truth and lies on both sides of your scoreboard to truly understand it.
Some of the people that you want to believe (DJT) do not tell righteous lies that are justified by their (your) end goals.
That is "selective morality."
Lies are lies.

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Too bad Hal put this group of disparate thinkers on a pedestal....When respected and influential members of society openly teach such abominations, we have moved into perilous times....

Call them a lunatic fringe. That is more accurate.


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A laypersons take on Halspeak...

Blah, blah, blah, blah...return to normal.....Blah, blah, blah, blah... the old normal no longer exists. Blah, blah, blah, blah... abandoned truth. Blah, blah, blah, blah... truth as a foundation. Blah, blah, blah, blah...“Your truth,” and “My truth,”. Blah, blah, blah, blah...Our understandings may be different, but truth is truth

Now the scare....Blah, blah, blah, blah... we have moved into perilous times Blah, blah, blah, blah...we are raising children in perilous times.

OK here it comes....How should we respond?

I wrote a book called Faith for Earth’s Final Hour....Blah, blah, blah, blah...one of the most important topics I ever addressed. And friends, we need it right now!

TaDA.....give me money!!!! Now!!
Oh, Hal's a prophet. That’s spelled profit....LOL


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Too bad Hal put this group of disparate thinkers on a pedestal....When respected and influential members of society openly teach such abominations, we have moved into perilous times....

Call them a lunatic fringe. That is more accurate.

Well... when only 5% of the population claims to own and control all the world's resources, and then assumes the authority to hold the other 95% accountable "for their own good", I'd say the "lunatic fringe" needs to be knocked off their pedestal!

Where is all the trash and Co2 that's allegedly killing the planet coming from anyway? When they show all those "plastic floatillas of death" off the coasts of major cities, all I see is Coca-Cola, Frito-lay, Snickers, and McDonald's!

However, "the fringe" would rather wage war on Cow Farts!

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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Too bad Hal put this group of disparate thinkers on a pedestal....When respected and influential members of society openly teach such abominations, we have moved into perilous times....

Call them a lunatic fringe. That is more accurate.

Well... when only 5% of the population claims to own and control all the world's resources, and then assumes the authority to hold the other 95% accountable "for their own good", I'd say the "lunatic fringe" needs to be knocked off their pedestal!

Where is all the trash and Co2 that's allegedly killing the planet coming from anyway? When they show all those "plastic floatillas of death" off the coasts of major cities, all I see is Coca-Cola, Frito-lay, Snickers, and McDonald's!

However, "the fringe" would rather wage war on Cow Farts!

The atmosphere is being polluted. There is a matter of concern.

If you dont believe that, go into your garage and start your car and close the door. See how innocuous the fossil fuel emisisons turn out to be. (DO NOT ACTUALLY DO THIS) Even DJT knew and stated the concern.

But 90 percent of of it is China, India and the entire emerging the world. That garbage dump in the middle of the Pacific is largely Asia and Indonesia. That is the big picture.

And DJT had one thing very correct....throwing dollars into a big slush fund for 3rd world dictators to pillage under the banner of "global warming" was a giant lib-tard circle jerk. Would have accomplished nothing in the face of what China and India alone spew out. Just one more farce for sucker American taxpayer's and government creditors to dump their money into and watch it fly away in the wind.

However Tony...dont waste time on MacDonald's and so forth. That's also a silly bunch of crap under a different banner.

Marty

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Seriously Marty, THINK! These major corporations drive our economy WORLD WIDE! That's not to even mention the auto and gas industries...

Simple question; As a consumer, a member of the 95%, what other choices do you have?

Who is truly responsible?

Why should it cost the 95% so much to clean up the 5% "fringe's" mess?

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I am THINKING Tony.

Civilization is an evolving process. It has evolved the way it has evolved. At the moment, fossil fools make the world go around.
The pollution problem is vastly not the United States.
It is the US (corporations) and Europe, presumably Japan and S Korea that are doing more than anyone else to solve carbon emissions. The biggest problem is everyone else.

The single greatest emission problem solver living is Elon Musk. Solar, Batteries, Electric cars.
His side hustles are putting rockets into space and boring giant tunnels...yet the libtardians want to lynch him because he tells them to get off their azz and work and quit subscribing to various foolish lines of crap.

I dont see a legit reason to scapegoat corporations for pursing products and profits. I bet you like your cellphone and Big Macs.

Have you gone occupy-wall-street/antifa on me Tony ???
Are you going to start calling me "comrade?" wink

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Lol... absolutely not Marty. But the hypocrisy makes me seriously ill! 5% of the population has all the power and authority, but absolutely no accountability... THEY BLAME THE CONSUMERS FOR BREEDING TOO FAST!

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Lol... absolutely not Marty. But the hypocrisy makes me seriously ill! 5% of the population has all the power and authority, but absolutely no accountability... THEY BLAME THE CONSUMERS FOR BREEDING TOO FAST!

Well comrade,

One of the biggest of the big is Bill Gates. He seems to be taking accountability and responsibility...

and buying up all the mom and pop farms in America so that he can stem cow farts and set the food supply on it's correct path aligned with his vision of the big re-set.

Do you celebrate his efforts?
Be careful what you wish for comrade. smile

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Lol... Bill Gates is a perfect example "comrade"...
In no way does Billy Brainfart speak for the majority!

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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
A laypersons take on Halspeak...

Blah, blah, blah, blah...return to normal.....Blah, blah, blah, blah... the old normal no longer exists. Blah, blah, blah, blah... abandoned truth. Blah, blah, blah, blah... truth as a foundation. Blah, blah, blah, blah...“Your truth,” and “My truth,”. Blah, blah, blah, blah...Our understandings may be different, but truth is truth

Now the scare....Blah, blah, blah, blah... we have moved into perilous times Blah, blah, blah, blah...we are raising children in perilous times.

OK here it comes....How should we respond?

I wrote a book called Faith for Earth’s Final Hour....Blah, blah, blah, blah...one of the most important topics I ever addressed. And friends, we need it right now!

TaDA.....give me money!!!! Now!!
Oh, Hal's a prophet. That’s spelled profit....LOL

Well, it doesn't get anymore juvenile than that...

I am now convinced that you are not who you say you are Steve.

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I bet you like your cellphone and Big Macs.

This is the most important statement made...it is at the very essence of the problem...

nothing will change ‘till we feel the pain


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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Originally Posted by VNORTH2
A laypersons take on Halspeak...

Blah, blah, blah, blah...return to normal.....Blah, blah, blah, blah... the old normal no longer exists. Blah, blah, blah, blah... abandoned truth. Blah, blah, blah, blah... truth as a foundation. Blah, blah, blah, blah...“Your truth,” and “My truth,”. Blah, blah, blah, blah...Our understandings may be different, but truth is truth

Now the scare....Blah, blah, blah, blah... we have moved into perilous times Blah, blah, blah, blah...we are raising children in perilous times.

OK here it comes....How should we respond?

I wrote a book called Faith for Earth’s Final Hour....Blah, blah, blah, blah...one of the most important topics I ever addressed. And friends, we need it right now!

TaDA.....give me money!!!! Now!!
Oh, Hal's a prophet. That’s spelled profit....LOL

Well, it doesn't get anymore juvenile than that...

I am now convinced that you are not who you say you are Steve.


You couldn't help yourself JAPOV...can't defend Hal...I'll attack Steve

Who did I say I was?


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And yes I agree with you...this is just about the most juvenile thing you have posted about Hal to date...thanks for exposing this to everyone


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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Lol... Bill Gates is a perfect example "comrade"...
In no way does Billy Brainfart speak for the majority!

Who does speak for the majority?
And what do they say?

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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
I bet you like your cellphone and Big Macs.

This is the most important statement made...it is at the very essence of the problem...

nothing will change ‘till we feel the pain

I don't want to feel the pain Steve. I want a quarter-pounder with cheese and a side of fries and one of those delicious prefabricated, hyper-processed apple-pie things.

Living through the cure can sometimes be much more painful than enduring the disease. smile

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by VNORTH2
I bet you like your cellphone and Big Macs.

This is the most important statement made...it is at the very essence of the problem...

nothing will change ‘till we feel the pain

I don't want to feel the pain Steve. I want a quarter-pounder with cheese and a side of fries and one of those delicious prefabricated, hyper-processed apple-pie things.

Living through the cure can sometimes be much more painful than enduring the disease. smile

Two years ago I found the perfect way to quit eating junk food...it's called diabetes...lost 50 lbs and feel great..but I don't really want diabetes now...I felt the pain


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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Two years ago I found the perfect way to quit eating junk food...it's called diabetes...lost 50 lbs and feel great..but I don't really want diabetes now...I felt the pain

I hear you Steve. Last Friday I turned 70.
I told my wife that the grim reaper was coming into focus now and toll charges for my bad habits were all coming due. My best chance of holding him off is to begin eating like I should have always eaten. Month ago, I quit sugar and went on low carb / calorie counter diet. Bought a fitness watch. Cardio workouts at the gym. Lost 8 pounds so far. got about 8 to go for target weight.

Am coming to grips with the fact that the bad habits gotta end or I will.
Feel better than I have in a long time.
Hope you do to. Congratulations on your weight loss and congratulations on the sensible attitude that made you realize it was necessary.
That's not always the case with some people.

Marty

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I have a simple thought process now..."I'm going to do whatever it is I have to do today to make sure I have a chance to wake up tomorrow morning"

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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
I have a simple thought process now..."I'm going to do whatever it is I have to do today to make sure I have a chance to wake up tomorrow morning"

Can't be more sensible than that.
In that regard, whenever you come across a shareable pearl...please send it my way.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by VNORTH2
I have a simple thought process now..."I'm going to do whatever it is I have to do today to make sure I have a chance to wake up tomorrow morning"

Can't be more sensible than that.
In that regard, whenever you come across a shareable pearl...please send it my way.

Marty
And you too, my friend
Steve


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Good grief gentlemen... follow the money and do the math! Even the clinical definition of diabetes has changed in recent years...

https://www.sturdybarn.com/what-do-bill-gates-farms-produce/

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21919895

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Good grief gentlemen... follow the money and do the math! Even the clinical definition of diabetes has changed in recent years...

https://www.sturdybarn.com/what-do-bill-gates-farms-produce/

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21919895


What's your point by these articles?


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follow the money and do the math...follow who's money and do what math??

Even the clinical definition of diabetes has changed in recent years...so what?


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Tony...
Watch out! Bill Gates is under your bed disguised as a panda bear. Don't be fooled.

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Bill Gates is smart and fortunate and I believe a model billionaire philanthropist

Smart and fortunate because he, when asked to produce an operating system for IBM, actually bought it for $50,000 from a local company and it turned into Microsoft. The developer, Tim Patterson worked for the company that developed it then for MS in and out but was always an employee and never owned it.

Gates was then smart when MS started competing for what is now the office suite space and could co ordinate OS and Word and Excel releases, and started branching out with profits, re investing in new products and experiencing failures but the long term trend was up.

And he will be transferring much of if not all that farmland into his foundation as one of the wealthy who have decided to give their fortune away. Carnegie funded libraries. Gates is on health as one of his priorities.

He is one of the good guys I think.


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Gates has done great big stuff. Undeniable.

Although,
The internet is now effectively monopolized. Musk is trying to do something about it and the lockstep drones of the monopolists have turned their hoards of human drones against him to destroy him with a vengeance.

Notwithstanding that he is doing more than any other single person alive to bring down carbon emissions. Or as known under the libtardanian lockstep banner..."global warming"...I mean "climate change"...I mean "global cooling"...I mean "you know what I mean."

Now you would tell me that Trump is not to be trusted. Amongst other reasons he is a blatant philanderer which belies his lack of character and personal honesty. I'd agree with that. Gates shares that with Trump. (And there was that thing about stealing Windows from IBM...whatever that was.

Now as he gobbles American farm land selling that pursuit as a family trust? and ULTIMATELY returning it to?...he is a good guy with good intentions. Lapping up farmland wholesale at the direction of a billionaire has a monopolistic and overlord quality to it that makes some of us skeptical and uneasy.

Throughout time the road to hell is paved with good intentions and littered with gullible cadavers.

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I need a little help here...is there something wrong with Gates buying up farmland?? He owns 269,000 acres which is peanuts..

The Irving family, from Canada, is the 6th largest landowner in the US..and they use it to cut down the trees

6. The Irving family owns 1,247,880 acres of land in the US, and even more in their native Canada.


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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
I need a little help here...is there something wrong with Gates buying up farmland?? He owns 269,000 acres which is peanuts..

The Irving family, from Canada, is the 6th largest landowner in the US..and they use it to cut down the trees

6. The Irving family owns 1,247,880 acres of land in the US, and even more in their native Canada.

I don't know who the Irving Family is. I don't have a problem with them. I will presume for now that they are a family who owns tree farms because they are a tree farming family. My dad was an architect. I'm an architect.

I don't have a problem with the King Ranch or whoever owns it, because I don't know who owns it. They keep a low media profile.
If I were to find out that the NEW owner of the King Ranch was a tech billionaire with professed stated socio-political agendas regarding the food supply and humanity's upcoming "Great Re-set" ?????....

Then I would view the owner of the King Ranch with apprehension.
269,000 acres of land (and counting) is not peanuts. It's a large nose under the tent.

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Sorry Marty, I forgot....the Irving family is one of the larger oil companies in Canada...they also are the present builders of several new Canadian Warships here in Halifax Nova Scotia and are real estate developers...they own a huge chunk of Maine...they also employ thousands of people in Canada's Maritime provinces


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Marty ......Gates stole nothing from IBM...not sure what you are referring to

Windows itself had its start with XEROX as a GUI, a graphical user interface...that has become the standard

DOS was purchased legally and the fact has never been hidden by Gates or MS.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Marty ......Gates stole nothing from IBM...not sure what you are referring to

Windows itself had its start with XEROX as a GUI, a graphical user interface...that has become the standard

DOS was purchased legally and the fact has never been hidden by Gates or MS.

Years ago I read that Gates was working for IBM when he developed DOS?
I read that by rights that it should have been IBMs, but that Gates made off with it.
Dont know what is true and what is not. Dont have time to check it. Would not change my mind about Gates buying farms any way.

Side issue & distraction.

Anecdotal
back in the late 80's and 90's, I used to get my computers fixed at a small shop in Houston. They were MS "partners." Hated MS, because ACCORDING TO THEM, MS was predatory, monopolisitc and ruthlessly quick to sue "partners."
Then came along the net and Google and MS lost their monopolistic grip on everything.
Got Windows 10 for free. Just upgraded to 11 for free also.

Can't testify to any of it first hand, other than to say that is what the owner of the shop said to me at a time that I thought MS was golden.

If it is true, even more to worry about regards food supply.
If not, still don't want Lord Gates buying up farms to be recreated in his allegedly benevolent vision.

Encourage him to buy in Canada.

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Sidenote:

Here is one version of the DOS event that I found on the net within a minute.
It's words on a page. Who knows what actually happened.

https://cult.honeypot.io/reads/lesson-from-gary-kildall/#:~:text=But%20here's%20what%20Gates%20did,and%20licensed%20it%20to%20IBM.

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Originally Posted by VNORTH2
Sorry Marty, I forgot....the Irving family is one of the larger oil companies in Canada...they also are the present builders of several new Canadian Warships here in Halifax Nova Scotia and are real estate developers...they own a huge chunk of Maine...they also employ thousands of people in Canada's Maritime provinces

All fine by me.

I don't dislike business people. That's Tony. smile I don't begrudge them what they have earned.
What do they profess socio-politically?
Do they have any plans for re-shaping society?
If so...what do those plans entail?

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I just think it's a bit more than "ironic coincidence" that Bullshit Bill not only leads the fight against cow farts in the name of global warming... but he's heavy into GMO's, and his farms produce mainly corn, soy, and potatoes; So, he obviously caters to the "junk food" industry that's trashing the oceans. AT THE SAME TIME, pretending like he gives a damn about human health, he makes a killing in "big pharma" research and development, including diabetes medication. Consequently, instead of insulin dependence, A1C became the standard for diagnosing diabetes around the same time the Obama's claimed it to be an epidemic, and Michelle instituted her "school lunch program".

So, in short..., Billy Brainfart, big pharma, and the FDA, claim the authority to feed us GMO and steroid saturated $hit for our own good, then pump us all full of medication so we all meet Obamacare standards.

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