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The WEF is 100% putting out One World government propaganda as well as 2030 Reset guidelines. They published books on it. They have promoted "In the future you will own nothing, but you will be happy!" These are their words, not conspiracy theories. Now I think they are out of their minds, but it is clear they believe it and they have placed most of the leaders in Europe across the board. Most have come up through their "system" and they proudly identify their young students who rise to power. France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and others all claim this connection. They look and sound like Austin Powers villains, which I hope is just the rich trolling the world, but they sure seem to move political actions towards their vision of unelected and unaccountable Elite overlords ruling the entire world via one currency while "allowing" regions to elect local leaders, but not the main people in charge. That is THEIR vision. I have a feeling for them to succeed there will be millions of dead just in the USA because most American's are not bowing down to outsiders taking control. Klaus "I am like the evil Dr. Stranglelove incarnate" Schwab, leader of the WEF sure wants horrific change. I hope it is just a distraction while they are plundering every country of the remaining wealth. Because they are 100% doing that.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel

I believe Oprah! wink

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
The WEF is 100% putting out One World government propaganda as well as 2030 Rest guidelines. They published books on oth. They have promoted "In the future you will own nothing, but you will be happy!" These are their words, not conspiracy theories. Now I think they are out of their minds, but it is clear they believe it and they have placed most of the leaders in Europe across the board. Most have come up through their "system" and they proudly identify their young students who rise to power. France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and others all claim this connection. They look and sound like Austin Powers villains, which I hope is just the rich trolling the world, but they sure seem to move political actions towards their vision of unelected and unaccountable Elite overlords ruling the entire world via one currency while "allowing" regions to elect local leaders, but not the main people in charge. That is THEIR vision. I have a feeling for them to succeed there will be millions of dead just in the USA because most American's are not bowing down to outsiders taking control. Klaus "I am like the evil Dr. Stranglelove incarnate" Schwab, leader of the WEF sure wants horrific change. I hope it is just a distraction while they are plundering every country of the remaining wealth. Because they are 100% doing that.

Well... If you've got all the money and influence the world has to offer, with no accountability... what else should we expect of the elite? Everyone needs a hobby I suppose...

Matthew 19;
23)Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24)Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

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We have a little over seven years left till the world government wants to be in place, 2030.
Where did you hear that?

I believe I heard it hear plus other places

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I have to say... videos like that really aggravate me. He kept going on and on for an entire hour about prophetic validity and America in the Bible, but all he offered for consideration was his $20 book...

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Religion as a business....it has come up in conversation before.


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Religion as a business....it has come up in conversation before.

True, but there's nothing wrong with paying TEACHERS.

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
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Religion as a business....it has come up in conversation before.

True, but there's nothing wrong with paying TEACHERS.

I'll pm you my paypal address. Send me some money and I'll prepare a lesson for you.
It will be titled...Miscellaneous wisdoms from the book of Marty. wink

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Religion as a business....it has come up in conversation before.

True, but there's nothing wrong with paying TEACHERS.

I'll pm you my paypal address. Send me some money and I'll prepare a lesson for you.
It will be titled...Miscellaneous wisdoms from the book of Marty. wink
Give me your address, I'll send you a free Bible...

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You do know the Onion is a parody news site right?


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Originally Posted by JAPOV
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Religion as a business....it has come up in conversation before.

True, but there's nothing wrong with paying TEACHERS.

That is a good point. If teachers of secularism are to be paid, why not teachers of religion? Same game.

I would rather that we had teachers with neither agenda teaching. Remove politics along with religion. Remove external agendas. How? Start with reviewing books from prior eras and finiding lessons that are consistent across all political eras. Straight up math? Straight up language? History gets dicey, because fake news leads to fake history and we have had fake news throughout all time. It is published by the victors and rare is true. Even prehistory is dishonest because of the agendas of those looking back are just as biased as those teaching the present. This isn't right/left, all that crap is bullshit for low info people to argue about while the elites steal everything and laugh at the tx cattle who believe their lies as long as they have the R or D preferred by their own branded cattle.

Wake up people.. 98% of of us against 2%, the elites and their functionaries in politics, military and corporate leadership.


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Matthew 23;
23)Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You pay tithes of mint, dill, and cumin. But you have disregarded the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24)You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
That is a good point. If teachers of secularism are to be paid, why not teachers of religion? Same game.

I would rather that we had teachers with neither agenda teaching. Remove politics along with religion. Remove external agendas. How? Start with reviewing books from prior eras and finiding lessons that are consistent across all political eras. Straight up math? Straight up language? History gets dicey, because fake news leads to fake history and we have had fake news throughout all time. It is published by the victors and rare is true. Even prehistory is dishonest because of the agendas of those looking back are just as biased as those teaching the present. This isn't right/left, all that crap is bullshit for low info people to argue about while the elites steal everything and laugh at the tx cattle who believe their lies as long as they have the R or D preferred by their own branded cattle.

Wake up people.. 98% of of us against 2%, the elites and their functionaries in politics, military and corporate leadership.

((I would rather that we had teachers with neither agenda teaching. Remove politics along with religion. Remove external agendas.))
I've often said the same... If you remove the Bible, then you need to remove politics as well. Problem is, without the Bible, politics is all that's left. That's precisely the mess we're in NOW. There always needs to be a proper moral standard to follow, but government has NEVER been able to set that standard. The closest mankind has ever come is the US Constitution...

((This isn't right/left, all that crap is bullshit for low info people to argue about while the elites steal everything and laugh at the tx cattle who believe their lies as long as they have the R or D preferred by their own branded cattle.))
Cattle is right lol... They're about to brand us all like stupid cattle, and most people will allow it for the sake of gainful employment. Right or Left is not irrelevant however. The system may be severely damaged, but the Left obviously wants to go ahead and destroy it in favor of a centralized "World System". Power corrupts... you know the rest

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The left woke is getting crazier by the day. We now have people seeing themselves as animals and want to be called by whatever animal they see them self as. Satan is dehumanizing people because we are made in God's image

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Tony I agree.

Dont teach religion, or politics, but civic duty, social responsibility and how to think critically

Oh and math without calculators


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Originally Posted by John Voorpostel
Tony I agree.

Dont teach religion, or politics, but civic duty, social responsibility and how to think critically

Oh and math without calculators

See? You can ignore the Bible but you can't set aside politics. Define "critical thinking" lol...

My common sense "fingers and toes" math thread got the axe... frown

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Whatever cirriculum is decided upon will have to be decided on by someone or someone(s).
Whoever that person or group is will create a backlash as large or larger than their own numbers.

Such has become the nature of our "democracy."
Our society has been fragmented into adversarial factions. There will never be a true broad consensus on anything.
There will only be various "net results" that satisfy no one and the turmoil will perpetuate.

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Hence, Armageddon... LOL smile

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Hence, Armageddon... LOL smile

Be careful what you wish for Tony.
Armageddon may not be nearly as much fun as you are anticipating. wink

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I'm "Pre-Trib" smile

 By Hal Lindsey

Critics of end-time Bible prophecy often say exactly what the Bible said they would say. 2 Peter 3:3-4 (NASB) says, “In the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, ‘Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.’”

Wars and rumors of war? Nothing new there, they say. Famines? They were worse in the past. Plagues and pandemics? We had a bad one for a couple of years, but the world has had worse. Lawlessness? Humanity has always had its crooks and creeps. Deception? People started lying right after they started talking. So, what’s new? What’s different?

Those samples of end-time signs all come from the words of Jesus in Matthew 24. There are lots of others, but let’s look briefly at these and see what makes them different today.

Wars and rumors of war. — Before each of the first two World Wars, everyone saw the terrible possibilities. But almost no one really thought it would happen. They thought cooler heads would prevail. But cool heads did not prevail. Pride prevailed. Greed prevailed. Hate prevailed.

It’s happening again, but this time with the added threat of nuclear weapons. As before, no one believes it will really happen. But the signs are there. War threatens every part of the earth, especially Europe. In Ukraine, Russian arrogance has been shattered. Their president, Vladimir Putin, is as proud and as careless with human life as Hitler or Mussolini. And right now, he’s like a wounded animal… with nukes.

That is just one factor that has turned planet earth into a tinderbox. Another would be severe shortages, especially of oil. This is a classic and historic cause of war. And we’re on the verge of shortages not seen since the last World War.

Famine. — This summer, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said that present food shortages could trigger a global “catastrophe.” The soaring cost of fertilizer, the war in Ukraine, drought, and many other issues, have placed earth on the brink of major famines — maybe sooner than you think and in places you never thought famine was possible.

Pandemics and plagues. — The Covid pandemic still rages, and others threaten. Technology has made our generation more vulnerability to disease, not less. Several biological threats lurk on the fringes of civilization right now — many of them man-made. Also, superbugs are still on the rise, and we have no known solution to the crises they threaten.

There are other kinds of plagues as well. For instance, computer viruses carry the threat of cutting off essential water, electricity, food, and health care to entire regions.

Lawlessness. — Still another kind of pandemic was recently pointed out by scientists at the University of California San Diego School of Medicine. They reported that 18% of Californians — one in six — experienced physical or sexual violence in the past year. That doesn’t include theft or vandalism or fraud or any number of other crimes. This number only reflects violent crime, and it’s getting worse. Principal investigator Anita Raj said, “Californians are experiencing violence at epidemic proportions.” California is just one example. The epidemic of lawlessness knows no regional or national boundaries. It is global in scope.

Deception. — Fake news is not new. But it has never before been possible on the scale we see today. A global media outlet is built into every new phone. This explosion of media means opportunities for mass deception like no one even dreamed of before this century.

These are just a few of the signs Jesus pointed out in Matthew 24. And that’s just one chapter of the Bible. What’s unique about today is that all the hundreds of biblical end-time signs are converging and intensifying. The 1918 flu killed a higher percentage of people than Covid-19, but the modern nation of Israel did not exist then. Geopolitical alliances predicted in the Bible were not forming at every turn. Satanism was not exploding in popularity and influence. The 1918 pandemic was not accompanied by a rise of technology perfectly fitted to Antichrist and the mark of the beast.

The signs are all coming together right now. Keep your eyes on Jesus. Take care of your business, but do not let the cares of this world distract you from Him. Look up. Maranatha! Jesus is coming soon!

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Telecommunications...
The world has always been mostly a brutal mess. In realistic terms civilization is "kinder and gentler" today than it has ever been. Obama got that right.

Today's big difference is the speed and immediacy of telecommunications. Instead of reading an inaccurate account in a newspaper of something that happened in Baltimore a month ago...some passerby uploads a video of the actual event 10 minutes ago.

Makes it all seem worse. Every wretched event is amplified. People love to gawk at carnage, so they flock to it.

There are some bad things taking shape. Possibly very bad. But Tony...try to refrain from wanting them to be worse. Please....

Marty

Tony...go to Youtube and search for "Husky videos." They are hysterical and will lift your outlook.

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You don't understand.... Lol, I even hope my old dog is in heaven smile

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
You don't understand.... Lol, I even hope my old dog is in heaven smile

I hope that he ends up in heaven too.
But what will be the cost? ...as you see it?

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Cost? Not sure what you mean O_o

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This generation shall not pass away that sees these happenings. What generation, the ones that sees the Jews getting Israel back in 1948 or the ones that sees them get Jerusalem back 1967. What is a generation, 70, 80 years. We can't know the day or hour but we can know the signs, and the signs are all there. Look up, your redemption draws nigh.

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
Cost? Not sure what you mean O_o

Maybe we're talking about two different things here Tony. I'll drop off here and let you and Everett return to savoring thoughts of a fire-y and violent end to the world as we know it.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Originally Posted by JAPOV
Cost? Not sure what you mean O_o

Maybe we're talking about two different things here Tony. I'll drop off here and let you and Everett return to savoring thoughts of a fire-y and violent end to the world as we know it.

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I think you do that on purpose Marty...
THERE IS NO END OF THE WORLD!

"Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done
on EARTH as it is in Heaven..."

It's true that Armageddon is God's judgment, but the "restraining Spirit" (the true faithful) are taken out of the way so evil can finally have full reign on Earth for a short time (seven years). Christ returns to put an END to that evil self destruction! Then, He sets up His Kingdom in Israel and rules as King of kings and Lord of lords. THAT'S THE "GOOD NEWS" YOU ALL SEEM TO IGNORE!

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For clarification,
"violent end to the world...as we know it"

Maybe we are talking about the same thing Tony.
There are some skepticisms that I have concerning the tenets of your beliefs, that I am unable to honestly and sincerely...simply dismiss.
It would be disingenuous of me to announce that I accept your beliefs as absolute and call it case closed. I'm from Bham. I've had fervents working on me for my entire life, but there are some issues that prevent me from obtaining unquestioning acceptance.

Question:
Because of that, if the end is actually nigh....will I be incinerated in a fire-y, agonizing death that will become a perpetual state of existence throughout eternity....whilst unquestioning and fully committed believers, such as yourself will spend a blissful eternity forever united with the creator of all?

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Lol... Now THIS is actually a dangerous subject! It gets me into trouble with "Bible Scholars" on other sites all the time... So, please bear in mind, this is just "MY" understanding of the subject.

Here's three things the Bible says that "I" believe gives us a hint;
-No man can even imagine the glory of God's heaven. (1 Corinthians 2:9)
-Eternal damnation is separation from God. (2 Thessalonians 1-9)
-It is better for a man to marry than "BURN" with desire. (1 Corinthians 7-9)

If we can't imagine Heaven, then we can't imagine Hell either. Both are beyond this mortal existence. So, just imagine, finally being faced with the glorious truth of your existence, and all the eternal potential within you, just to be halted and denied. Damned to be limited by your own intellect, and longing for what you could have been, forever.

As a Christian I easily accept my spiritual existence, because it's a greater Spirit that guides me. I also accept that there are only two kinds of people; Those who seek God's will, and those who only serve themselves. So, basically, and again "just my opinion...", Hell is a spiritual torment that equates to "Getting What You Asked For".

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Tony

The question that I asked could have been answered with 1-5 words.
I don't know whose question it was that you answered.

Could you take another look and narrow the focus? wink

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Tony

The question that I asked could have been answered with 1-5 words.
I don't know whose question it was that you answered.

Could you take another look and narrow the focus? wink

No Marty. I won't play straight into the "Hateful Narrow Minded Christian" cliché... Nothing could be further from the TRUTH.

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Ok.
So you assert that there are Christians who hold a "hateful narrow minded Christian" cliche version of the rapture which is untrue.
For the record....I like your viewpoint. The idea of (me) being on fire forever is awful.

Undoubtedly you realize that amongst those "cliche" people are ones who would stridently view you as heretic and blasphemer. There was a time when they would have imprisoned and tortured both me and you. There would even be those amongst them who see you as a direct tool of Satan on account of your non-conformance.

Questions
How do you see yourself?
How do you see them?
**From where did you arrive at your viewpoint? (most important question)
Do you disagree with anything that I wrote above?

Inquiring minds....

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"How do you see yourself?"
Blessed
"How do you see them?"
Confused
"From where did you arrive at your viewpoint?"
The Bible and the Spirit
"Do you disagree with anything that I wrote above?"
Yes.
"So you assert that there are Christians who hold a "hateful narrow minded Christian" cliche version of the rapture which is untrue."

If you're a Bible believing Christian and don't understand the Rapture/Armageddon, all you need is a little more study time. However, it's Christianity in general that is sadly becoming a "Hateful Narrow Minded" cliché. In fact, political opposition to Christianity has become blatantly adversarial.

You stated earlier...
"In realistic terms civilization is "kinder and gentler" today than it has ever been. Obama got that right."

Question for you; If Christ Jesus returned today, the same way He came to us 2000yrs ago, do you believe the world would accept Him?

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Originally Posted by JAPOV
"How do you see yourself?"
Question for you; If Christ Jesus returned today, the same way He came to us 2000yrs ago, do you believe the world would accept Him?

I'm agnostic Tony (without knowledge). How would I know? The lengthiest account of Christ comes from the NT, which was pulled together at Constantine's insistence several hundred years after Christ is said to have lived. (Council of Nicea) Other than that, the only accounts that I'm aware of are Josephus and Seneca. In both cases, he was not mentioned as the coming of God, but an incidental uprising in "Palestine" at the time.

So if someone showed up today and made a persuasive case that they were the 2nd coming of divinity...I'd need some proof to believe it.
Similarly, regarding Christ of 2k ago, I need some proof for that being accurate as told in the bible. A preacher thumping a bible and telling me that is all the proof that I need...is not enough. I need to see the particular words and how they clearly and exactly validate whatever is being proclaimed.

I've yet to see them, but I wait and occasionally ask someone like you to show me what you see that validates your beliefs. Even though it may seem otherwise, I'm not antagonistic towards religion, just inquisitive. I understand people wanting to connect with their maker and obtain answers to the big WHY. I'm one of them. Still looking.

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How can I prove to you that the vacuum of space exists? It's cold dark nothingness, but all you have to do is look up and see it. Billions of light-years worth of unexplored galaxies... Really? Prove it!

In comparison, my mind is so small and insignificant, it should scarcely even matter what I think. I can't validate MY OWN existence among greater minds lol. Yet, for some confounding reason, I continue to interact with it all; instinctively persevering as if, one day, we will all be masters of reality.

But then I consider, even if we COULD map and master the vastness of the universe, we would still only come to one conclusion... we would still only guess and theorize about its origins because we are not gods. We are not in control. We do not possess the power of creation, we only effect what has been created. We can't even control the weather...

Why should we be gifted with such intellect, only to be frustrated by our limitations...?
The only answer I have found is that I was created as well... in the Creators own image. We are God's stewards of creation.

How arrogant it seems to me... to require proof of the Spirit of creation.

If you breeze quickly through the book of John and only read the quotes of Jesus, you quickly realize that He was faced with this same problem "IN PERSON" 2000yrs ago. The unbelieving skeptics, even among His own followers, kept insisting upon signs... proof.

If His complete fulfillment of prophecy and resurrection isn't sign enough, then His return certainly will be.

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How can I prove to you that the vacuum of space exists? It's cold dark nothingness, but all you have to do is look up and see it. Billions of light-years worth of unexplored galaxies... Really? Prove it!


...There is lots of proof for all of that, that a reasonable mind can accept. There is a Rover on Mars at this exact moment gathering proof.


How arrogant it seems to me... to require proof of the Spirit of creation.


...To some of us, for a mortal human being to claim that they know exactly what the nature of "God" is,...is arrogant. And further arrogant to profess that anyone who questions their view, is arrogant. While on the subject of galaxies, are you aware that Galileo was put under house arrest by the papacy for daring to say that the earth was not the center of the universe? (as it was known at the time) He was arrested for being correct and possessing the "arrogance" to say so.


If you breeze quickly through the book of John and only read the quotes of Jesus, you quickly realize that He was faced with this same problem "IN PERSON" 2000yrs ago. The unbelieving skeptics, even among His own followers, kept insisting upon signs... proof.


...I don't blame them. Big claims require proof to be believed. I dont see anything wrong with that. Neither did Aristotle.


If His complete fulfillment of prophecy and resurrection isn't sign enough, then His return certainly will be.


....If you can make time, please quote, not allude to, but quote 10 prophetic passages in the bible and tell me exactly how they were fulfilled.
I can start the list for you.


1) The emergence of Israel as a nation/state.

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Took a look Tony. Saw nothing specific enough to get a handle on. And it is a self validating system.

e.g. Take the Northern Lights...
Beautiful things said to be solar particles glowing in the atmosphere as they move towards the earths magnetic poles. That looks right to me.

But according to one old Indian Tribe in Wisconsin, they are gods holding glowing lanterns in order to aid fishermen at night.
How do you know whether or not that is true?
You ask an Indian from that tribe who subscribes to that belief and what he says is your proof?

A Viking would have told your that they were Norse gods. And back in that era, if a Viking told you something, you best not argue with him about it. Doesnt make it right, but living on is better than winning that argument.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
Took a look Tony. Saw nothing specific enough to get a handle on. And it is a self validating system
Lol... Yep, God is definitely self validating. smile

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Nice play on a phrase Tony.
But it does not actually prove anything one way or the other to say that God is self validating.
The question is not whether God is self validating or not. The question is whether various religions are...only...self validating. And cannot be proven up by 3rd party means.

From the Book of Marty...
I firmly believe that God is or is-not whatever God is or is-not.
What I may want God to be or believe God to be or whatever any earthbound mortal may profess God to be, is an aside. The fact remains that God is or is not whatever God is or is-not. That fact does not need validation. It is unequivocally true...unless someone can imagine a form to God and that imagined form will some how become God.

Here is the tough part for many people...
I accept that I may never actually find out what God is or is-not. That "closure" may simply not be available to humans. Hopefully it is.
Nothwithstanding that, I am two months from 70 and if this life is all I get, I am extremely grateful for the opportunity to have lived it.

Book of Marty
Page one, Verse one, paragraph one.

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A few excerpts

If Christ Jesus returned today, the same way He came to us 2000yrs ago, do you believe the world would accept Him?

Christ isn’t looking for acceptance on His return


So if someone showed up today and made a persuasive case that they were the 2nd coming of divinity...I'd need some proof to believe it.

Christians don’t need proof to believe in Jesus, only Faith


We can't know the day or hour but we can know the signs, and the signs are all there.

Every day for hundreds of years there are signs that have been interpreted as indications of the day or hour. Nothing is different today. Just be ready for His return.


Our society has been fragmented into adversarial factions. There will never be a true broad consensus on anything.

There is broad consensus on most things that make up how we exist, for the most part they are the laws most of us obey.


Similarly, regarding Christ of 2k ago, I need some proof for that being accurate as told in the bible.

You do not need proof of something in which you have Faith, By its very definition Faith doesn’t require proof...just belief.


That's where we greatly differ Robert. The Bible is 100% accurate and true, if one word is wrong then it's all wrong!

That is what we have read or believe. Only by Faith do we believe this to be true.


I try to be very careful not to bring God down to my level

Do you think God has given it much thought


How arrogant it seems to me... to require proof of the Spirit of creation.

There is no proof, only Faith


Reading what has been espoused on this thread, more recently, IMHO most of it has no great or lasting value. Why do you think they call it Faith. It is only by Faith that we believe in the Bible, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit......some have Faith...some don’t, it’s not complicated.

The Bible lays out, in black and white, how we are to lead our lives and to have a relationship with God through Jesus, among other things. And by Faith I believe the Bible to be the word of God, not because I have factual knowledge of it being so.....only by Faith. By Faith I am assured, not by facts. My belief will only be known by me in my death.

If someone has the inside story with factual proof, please add it to this thread.


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""Similarly, regarding Christ of 2k ago, I need some proof for that being accurate as told in the bible.

You do not need proof of something in which you have Faith, By its very definition Faith doesn’t require proof...just belief.


How arrogant it seems to me... to require proof of the Spirit of creation.

There is no proof, only Faith""



I think that you and I agree on that point Steve. I have seen "faith" defined as "belief without evidence."
That's the point I've been making.
You appear to see faith as a factor that overrides any shortcomings in supporting facts. I see it as coming up short on facts.


Be all that as it may, I have no desire to be the guy debating all the "faithful" on the songwriter forum.
Tony was my limit on perpetual back-and-forths.
Back to my original point to him....there are more suitable places than a songwriter forum to debate religious beliefs. Religion is socially divisive a great deal of the time.

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Originally Posted by Sunset Poet
""Similarly, regarding Christ of 2k ago, I need some proof for that being accurate as told in the bible.

You do not need proof of something in which you have Faith, By its very definition Faith doesn’t require proof...just belief.


How arrogant it seems to me... to require proof of the Spirit of creation.

There is no proof, only Faith""



I think that you and I agree on that point Steve. I have seen "faith" defined as "belief without evidence."
That's the point I've been making.
You appear to see faith as a factor that overrides any shortcomings in supporting facts. I see it as coming up short on facts.


Be all that as it may, I have no desire to be the guy debating all the "faithful" on the songwriter forum.
Tony was my limit on perpetual back-and-forths.
Back to my original point to him....there are more suitable places than a songwriter forum to debate religious beliefs. Religion is socially divisive a great deal of the time.

Martin


Thank you Martin

I couldn't agree more

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Lol... and you guys wonder why I can hardly wait for the rapture smile

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Gentlemen, I'm a Christian. 24/7, 365. No matter where I am. So, nearly everything I do and say is a reflection of my lifestyle. I don't even try to be perfect, that would just make me a hypocrite; But my gift of faith is what it is and I wouldn't give it up for the world! However, more and more it seems, the world tries to rob me of my identity; Keeps trying to convince me that I'm wrong and I don't belong... despite prophecy being fulfilled daily.

If my faith is such an affront, then why bother interacting with me? Is what I offer truly so offensive that you are compelled to silence me? What exactly is it about this thread that provokes you to such dogged disdain? What is it about me that you can't simply ignore?

I can only take solace in knowing that your argument is actually with God, not me. However, I can't dismiss the irony; If I were a tattooed, purple haired, anarchist, Satan worshiping, transexual grade-school teacher, writing songs and starting discussions about "higher learning" and "the new world order", you would probably welcome me with open arms....

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Tony
I don't "disdain" Christians. Religion and religious beliefs are part of the landscape. That is a fact to be accepted.
Another fact is that religious conversations turn adversarial more often than not.
Imposing them on songwriter forums is going to be off-putting to many people.

I think that this site would be better served if you did not. Everyone here knows that you are a Christian by now.
Pressing that to a 24/7-365-Paul-to-Corinth-proselytizing-thing is likely going to net-out as counterproductive to "spreading the kindness of the word."

It's argumentative and divisive.

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And then there was Thomas, there is always a Thomas. There comes a time when you stop throwing your pearls.

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Originally Posted by Everett Adams
And then there was Thomas, there is always a Thomas. There comes a time when you stop throwing your pearls.

Check-mate Everett. I concede.

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By Hal Lindsey

In Britain, they would call me a “republican.” That’s not a reference to the Republican Party in the United States, but to a person who prefers a republican form of government over a monarchy. That feeling is common among Americans. Most of us here don’t believe a person should rule others just because he or she had the correct mother or father.

Even in the United Kingdom, the King doesn’t really rule. Over the centuries, that nation slowly changed into a “parliamentary democracy.” The king or queen is still immensely important — still the head of state — but that importance is now largely symbolic.

Yet, with the passing of Queen Elizabeth II, even republicans had to be moved at what we saw. Before us stood a grand display of the old and awesome magnificence of monarchy. As a Christian, it reminded me that a real Monarch is coming. Isaiah 9:6 says, “The government will rest on His shoulders” (NASB). The next verse says, “There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore.”

America’s founding fathers based our constitution on a biblical understanding of human nature. We are a fallen version of God’s original human design. We have taken on a sin nature. Because the founders believed this, they refused to place too much power in any one person. That’s why they filled the constitution with checks and balances.

But what if you could have a King who is filled with perfect love, acts with perfect justice, and has a perfect understanding of all things? What if that King could never die nor leave the throne to evil heirs? If a perfect leader could be found, a government resting on His shoulders would be the perfect form of government. That’s Jesus. Perfect in every way.

Until He takes charge, I prefer our constitutional republic over monarchy when it comes to human government. But even now, I have a King. I am His subject. My great honor is that I am allowed to stand in His presence and to serve Him.

If you’ve ever visited one of the royal palaces, you were probably told that when the Queen (now the King) is in residence, a flag called the Royal Standard is flown. We used to sing a little song about that called “Joy is the Flag.” As far as I can tell, the author is unknown. His or her idea was that we Christians have a royal standard that flies over us when King Jesus resides within. It says, “Joy is the flag flown high from the castle of my heart, for the King is in residence there.”

If you pay attention to the news, you are well aware of problems inundating the human race. But no matter how much news you consume, your awareness remains incomplete. The wave of bad news is so intense right now that no one can keep up. Humanity faces devastating crises on all sides. So how are you supposed to have joy in the face of all that?

Your joy as a Christian is not based on your circumstances. It is based on the identity and perfection of your King. His presence is your source of joy. You know the King of kings — the Lord of the universe — and you know Him personally. He is a Friend closer than a brother. If you don’t know Him, you can. He knocks at the door of every heart, and when we let Him in, joy follows.

This doesn’t mean you will never experience sadness or loss as a Christian. But it does mean that even in the darkest hour, His light shines. James 1:2 explains the Christian attitude toward the suffering of trials. It says, “Consider it all joy!” No matter what you face, the King of kings resides within you, lovingly watches over you, and faces those trials with you.

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"Before us stood a grand display of the old and awesome magnificence of monarchy."

Really? George 3rd ring a bell?

"America’s founding fathers based our constitution on a biblical understanding of human nature."

To some extent for certain...but then there were those pesky deists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faiths_of_the_Founding_Fathers

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